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I'm trying to compute the Galois group of the polynomial $P(X) = (X^4 - 2)(X^2 + 2)$, but I think that I made a mistake. This is what I thought:




$P(X)$ has roots $pm i sqrt{2}, pm i sqrt[4]{2}, pm sqrt[4]{2}$, then the splitting field of $P(X)$ is $K := mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i sqrt[4]{2}, i sqrt{2}]$, but $sqrt{2} = left( sqrt[4]{2} right)^2 in mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$, $i sqrt{2} in mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$, $i sqrt[4]{2} in mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$ and $i = (i sqrt[4]{2})^3 (sqrt[4]{2}) left( frac{-1}{2} right) in K$, then $K = mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$.



Observing that $X^4 - 2$ is monic, has $sqrt[4]{2}$ as a root and is irreducible on $mathbb{Q} [X]$ by Eisenstein's criterion applied for $p = 2$, we have that $X^4 - 2$ is a minimal polynomial over $mathbb{Q}$ which has a root $sqrt[4]{2}$, then $left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] : mathbb{Q} right] = 4$. Furthermore, $X^2 + 1$ is monic, which has a root $i$ and is irreducible over $mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}] [X]$ since $X^2 + 1$ is a polynomial of degree $2$ and $i notin mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}]$, then $X^2 + 1$ is a minimal polynomial over $mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}] [X]$, then $left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] right] = 2$.



By the tower law,



$$left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} right] = left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] right] left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] : mathbb{Q} right] = 2 cdot 4 = 8,$$



but there are only $4$ automorphisms of $mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i]$ which fixes $mathbb{Q}$ and this contradicts the fact that the cardinality of the Galois group of $K$ over $mathbb{Q})$ is equal to $left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} right]$




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    I'm trying to compute the Galois group of the polynomial $P(X) = (X^4 - 2)(X^2 + 2)$, but I think that I made a mistake. This is what I thought:




    $P(X)$ has roots $pm i sqrt{2}, pm i sqrt[4]{2}, pm sqrt[4]{2}$, then the splitting field of $P(X)$ is $K := mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i sqrt[4]{2}, i sqrt{2}]$, but $sqrt{2} = left( sqrt[4]{2} right)^2 in mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$, $i sqrt{2} in mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$, $i sqrt[4]{2} in mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$ and $i = (i sqrt[4]{2})^3 (sqrt[4]{2}) left( frac{-1}{2} right) in K$, then $K = mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$.



    Observing that $X^4 - 2$ is monic, has $sqrt[4]{2}$ as a root and is irreducible on $mathbb{Q} [X]$ by Eisenstein's criterion applied for $p = 2$, we have that $X^4 - 2$ is a minimal polynomial over $mathbb{Q}$ which has a root $sqrt[4]{2}$, then $left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] : mathbb{Q} right] = 4$. Furthermore, $X^2 + 1$ is monic, which has a root $i$ and is irreducible over $mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}] [X]$ since $X^2 + 1$ is a polynomial of degree $2$ and $i notin mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}]$, then $X^2 + 1$ is a minimal polynomial over $mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}] [X]$, then $left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] right] = 2$.



    By the tower law,



    $$left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} right] = left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] right] left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] : mathbb{Q} right] = 2 cdot 4 = 8,$$



    but there are only $4$ automorphisms of $mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i]$ which fixes $mathbb{Q}$ and this contradicts the fact that the cardinality of the Galois group of $K$ over $mathbb{Q})$ is equal to $left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} right]$




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      I'm trying to compute the Galois group of the polynomial $P(X) = (X^4 - 2)(X^2 + 2)$, but I think that I made a mistake. This is what I thought:




      $P(X)$ has roots $pm i sqrt{2}, pm i sqrt[4]{2}, pm sqrt[4]{2}$, then the splitting field of $P(X)$ is $K := mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i sqrt[4]{2}, i sqrt{2}]$, but $sqrt{2} = left( sqrt[4]{2} right)^2 in mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$, $i sqrt{2} in mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$, $i sqrt[4]{2} in mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$ and $i = (i sqrt[4]{2})^3 (sqrt[4]{2}) left( frac{-1}{2} right) in K$, then $K = mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$.



      Observing that $X^4 - 2$ is monic, has $sqrt[4]{2}$ as a root and is irreducible on $mathbb{Q} [X]$ by Eisenstein's criterion applied for $p = 2$, we have that $X^4 - 2$ is a minimal polynomial over $mathbb{Q}$ which has a root $sqrt[4]{2}$, then $left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] : mathbb{Q} right] = 4$. Furthermore, $X^2 + 1$ is monic, which has a root $i$ and is irreducible over $mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}] [X]$ since $X^2 + 1$ is a polynomial of degree $2$ and $i notin mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}]$, then $X^2 + 1$ is a minimal polynomial over $mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}] [X]$, then $left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] right] = 2$.



      By the tower law,



      $$left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} right] = left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] right] left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] : mathbb{Q} right] = 2 cdot 4 = 8,$$



      but there are only $4$ automorphisms of $mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i]$ which fixes $mathbb{Q}$ and this contradicts the fact that the cardinality of the Galois group of $K$ over $mathbb{Q})$ is equal to $left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} right]$




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      I'm trying to compute the Galois group of the polynomial $P(X) = (X^4 - 2)(X^2 + 2)$, but I think that I made a mistake. This is what I thought:




      $P(X)$ has roots $pm i sqrt{2}, pm i sqrt[4]{2}, pm sqrt[4]{2}$, then the splitting field of $P(X)$ is $K := mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i sqrt[4]{2}, i sqrt{2}]$, but $sqrt{2} = left( sqrt[4]{2} right)^2 in mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$, $i sqrt{2} in mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$, $i sqrt[4]{2} in mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$ and $i = (i sqrt[4]{2})^3 (sqrt[4]{2}) left( frac{-1}{2} right) in K$, then $K = mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}, i]$.



      Observing that $X^4 - 2$ is monic, has $sqrt[4]{2}$ as a root and is irreducible on $mathbb{Q} [X]$ by Eisenstein's criterion applied for $p = 2$, we have that $X^4 - 2$ is a minimal polynomial over $mathbb{Q}$ which has a root $sqrt[4]{2}$, then $left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] : mathbb{Q} right] = 4$. Furthermore, $X^2 + 1$ is monic, which has a root $i$ and is irreducible over $mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}] [X]$ since $X^2 + 1$ is a polynomial of degree $2$ and $i notin mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}]$, then $X^2 + 1$ is a minimal polynomial over $mathbb{Q}[sqrt[4]{2}] [X]$, then $left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] right] = 2$.



      By the tower law,



      $$left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} right] = left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] right] left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2}] : mathbb{Q} right] = 2 cdot 4 = 8,$$



      but there are only $4$ automorphisms of $mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i]$ which fixes $mathbb{Q}$ and this contradicts the fact that the cardinality of the Galois group of $K$ over $mathbb{Q})$ is equal to $left[ mathbb{Q} [sqrt[4]{2},i] : mathbb{Q} right]$




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          You are wrong that there are only $4$ automorphisms of $mathbb{K}:=mathbb{Q}(sqrt[4]{2},text{i})$ that fix $mathbb{Q}$. The automorphism group $G:=text{Aut}_mathbb{Q}(mathbb{K})$ is isomorphic to the unique nonabelian semidirect product $C_4rtimes C_2cong D_4$, where $C_k$ is the cyclic group of order $k$ and $D_k$ is the dihedral group of order $2k$. The group $G$ is generated by $tau$ and $sigma$ where $$tau(sqrt[4]{2})=text{i}sqrt[4]{2},,,,tau(text{i})=text{i},,,,sigma(sqrt[4]{2})=sqrt[4]{2},,text{ and }sigma(text{i})=-text{i},.$$
          Note that $langle tauranglecaplangle sigmarangle=text{Id}$, with $langle tauranglecong C_4$ and $langle sigmaranglecong C_2$. In addition,
          $$(taucircsigmacirctau)(sqrt[4]{2})=(taucirc sigma)(text{i}sqrt[4]{2})=tau(-text{i}sqrt[4]{2})=sqrt[4]{2}=sigma(sqrt[4]{2})$$
          and
          $$(taucircsigmacirctau)(text{i})=(taucirc sigma)(text{i})=tau(-text{i})=-text{i}=sigma(text{i}),.$$
          Hence, $taucircsigmacirctau=sigma$, or $taucircsigma=sigmacirctau^{-1}$. That is,
          $$G=biglangle tau,sigma,big|,tau^{circ 4}=text{id},,,,sigma^{circ 2}=text{id},,text{ and }taucircsigma=sigmacirctau^{-1}ranglecong D_4,.$$






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          • Thanks, this helps me to realize where I was wrong, but I have a doubt now. I know that $G cong C_4 times C_2$ since $G$ is abelian and $o(tau) = 4$, but how do you observe that $G$ is abelian? Is there a quick way to observe this without resorting to brute force?
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            @Mathenthusiast I am not sure if there is any other quick way to see why $G$ is abelian. You can try to find all groups of order $8$ that act transitively on the roots of the minimal polynomial of $sqrt[4]{2}+text{i}$ over $mathbb{Q}$, but I think it leads to a long solution. On the other hand, you can observe that $tau$ generates a subgroup $N$ of $G$ (which is cyclic of order $4$), $sigma$ generates a subgroup $H$ of $G$ of order $2$. Since $N$ and $H$ intersects trivially, and $$|NH|=frac{|N|,|H|}{|Ncap H|}=8=|G|,,$$ we must have $Gcong Ntimes Hcong C_4times C_2$.
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          • @JyrkiLahtonen I was too sleepy to check for whether $langle tau rangle$ or $langle sigmarangle$ is a normal subgroup of $G$ last night, and I assumed they were normal. Now that you mentioned it $langle sigmarangle$ is not normal in $G$. Thanks for the comments.
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            @Mathenthusiast Please read Jyrki Lahtonen's comments, and note that I fixed the error. In my first comment, both $N$ and $H$ must be normal subgroups of $G$ for the conditions $NH=G$ and $Ncap H=G$ to imply $Gcong Ntimes H$.
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            @JyrkiLahtonen No, it's ok. I think your comments are too good to be deleted.
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          You are wrong that there are only $4$ automorphisms of $mathbb{K}:=mathbb{Q}(sqrt[4]{2},text{i})$ that fix $mathbb{Q}$. The automorphism group $G:=text{Aut}_mathbb{Q}(mathbb{K})$ is isomorphic to the unique nonabelian semidirect product $C_4rtimes C_2cong D_4$, where $C_k$ is the cyclic group of order $k$ and $D_k$ is the dihedral group of order $2k$. The group $G$ is generated by $tau$ and $sigma$ where $$tau(sqrt[4]{2})=text{i}sqrt[4]{2},,,,tau(text{i})=text{i},,,,sigma(sqrt[4]{2})=sqrt[4]{2},,text{ and }sigma(text{i})=-text{i},.$$
          Note that $langle tauranglecaplangle sigmarangle=text{Id}$, with $langle tauranglecong C_4$ and $langle sigmaranglecong C_2$. In addition,
          $$(taucircsigmacirctau)(sqrt[4]{2})=(taucirc sigma)(text{i}sqrt[4]{2})=tau(-text{i}sqrt[4]{2})=sqrt[4]{2}=sigma(sqrt[4]{2})$$
          and
          $$(taucircsigmacirctau)(text{i})=(taucirc sigma)(text{i})=tau(-text{i})=-text{i}=sigma(text{i}),.$$
          Hence, $taucircsigmacirctau=sigma$, or $taucircsigma=sigmacirctau^{-1}$. That is,
          $$G=biglangle tau,sigma,big|,tau^{circ 4}=text{id},,,,sigma^{circ 2}=text{id},,text{ and }taucircsigma=sigmacirctau^{-1}ranglecong D_4,.$$






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          • Thanks, this helps me to realize where I was wrong, but I have a doubt now. I know that $G cong C_4 times C_2$ since $G$ is abelian and $o(tau) = 4$, but how do you observe that $G$ is abelian? Is there a quick way to observe this without resorting to brute force?
            – Math enthusiast
            Nov 15 at 0:12






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            @Mathenthusiast I am not sure if there is any other quick way to see why $G$ is abelian. You can try to find all groups of order $8$ that act transitively on the roots of the minimal polynomial of $sqrt[4]{2}+text{i}$ over $mathbb{Q}$, but I think it leads to a long solution. On the other hand, you can observe that $tau$ generates a subgroup $N$ of $G$ (which is cyclic of order $4$), $sigma$ generates a subgroup $H$ of $G$ of order $2$. Since $N$ and $H$ intersects trivially, and $$|NH|=frac{|N|,|H|}{|Ncap H|}=8=|G|,,$$ we must have $Gcong Ntimes Hcong C_4times C_2$.
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          • @JyrkiLahtonen I was too sleepy to check for whether $langle tau rangle$ or $langle sigmarangle$ is a normal subgroup of $G$ last night, and I assumed they were normal. Now that you mentioned it $langle sigmarangle$ is not normal in $G$. Thanks for the comments.
            – Batominovski
            Nov 15 at 6:41






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            @Mathenthusiast Please read Jyrki Lahtonen's comments, and note that I fixed the error. In my first comment, both $N$ and $H$ must be normal subgroups of $G$ for the conditions $NH=G$ and $Ncap H=G$ to imply $Gcong Ntimes H$.
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            @JyrkiLahtonen No, it's ok. I think your comments are too good to be deleted.
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          You are wrong that there are only $4$ automorphisms of $mathbb{K}:=mathbb{Q}(sqrt[4]{2},text{i})$ that fix $mathbb{Q}$. The automorphism group $G:=text{Aut}_mathbb{Q}(mathbb{K})$ is isomorphic to the unique nonabelian semidirect product $C_4rtimes C_2cong D_4$, where $C_k$ is the cyclic group of order $k$ and $D_k$ is the dihedral group of order $2k$. The group $G$ is generated by $tau$ and $sigma$ where $$tau(sqrt[4]{2})=text{i}sqrt[4]{2},,,,tau(text{i})=text{i},,,,sigma(sqrt[4]{2})=sqrt[4]{2},,text{ and }sigma(text{i})=-text{i},.$$
          Note that $langle tauranglecaplangle sigmarangle=text{Id}$, with $langle tauranglecong C_4$ and $langle sigmaranglecong C_2$. In addition,
          $$(taucircsigmacirctau)(sqrt[4]{2})=(taucirc sigma)(text{i}sqrt[4]{2})=tau(-text{i}sqrt[4]{2})=sqrt[4]{2}=sigma(sqrt[4]{2})$$
          and
          $$(taucircsigmacirctau)(text{i})=(taucirc sigma)(text{i})=tau(-text{i})=-text{i}=sigma(text{i}),.$$
          Hence, $taucircsigmacirctau=sigma$, or $taucircsigma=sigmacirctau^{-1}$. That is,
          $$G=biglangle tau,sigma,big|,tau^{circ 4}=text{id},,,,sigma^{circ 2}=text{id},,text{ and }taucircsigma=sigmacirctau^{-1}ranglecong D_4,.$$






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          • Thanks, this helps me to realize where I was wrong, but I have a doubt now. I know that $G cong C_4 times C_2$ since $G$ is abelian and $o(tau) = 4$, but how do you observe that $G$ is abelian? Is there a quick way to observe this without resorting to brute force?
            – Math enthusiast
            Nov 15 at 0:12






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            @Mathenthusiast I am not sure if there is any other quick way to see why $G$ is abelian. You can try to find all groups of order $8$ that act transitively on the roots of the minimal polynomial of $sqrt[4]{2}+text{i}$ over $mathbb{Q}$, but I think it leads to a long solution. On the other hand, you can observe that $tau$ generates a subgroup $N$ of $G$ (which is cyclic of order $4$), $sigma$ generates a subgroup $H$ of $G$ of order $2$. Since $N$ and $H$ intersects trivially, and $$|NH|=frac{|N|,|H|}{|Ncap H|}=8=|G|,,$$ we must have $Gcong Ntimes Hcong C_4times C_2$.
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            Nov 15 at 0:24












          • @JyrkiLahtonen I was too sleepy to check for whether $langle tau rangle$ or $langle sigmarangle$ is a normal subgroup of $G$ last night, and I assumed they were normal. Now that you mentioned it $langle sigmarangle$ is not normal in $G$. Thanks for the comments.
            – Batominovski
            Nov 15 at 6:41






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            @Mathenthusiast Please read Jyrki Lahtonen's comments, and note that I fixed the error. In my first comment, both $N$ and $H$ must be normal subgroups of $G$ for the conditions $NH=G$ and $Ncap H=G$ to imply $Gcong Ntimes H$.
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            Nov 15 at 6:42








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            @JyrkiLahtonen No, it's ok. I think your comments are too good to be deleted.
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          You are wrong that there are only $4$ automorphisms of $mathbb{K}:=mathbb{Q}(sqrt[4]{2},text{i})$ that fix $mathbb{Q}$. The automorphism group $G:=text{Aut}_mathbb{Q}(mathbb{K})$ is isomorphic to the unique nonabelian semidirect product $C_4rtimes C_2cong D_4$, where $C_k$ is the cyclic group of order $k$ and $D_k$ is the dihedral group of order $2k$. The group $G$ is generated by $tau$ and $sigma$ where $$tau(sqrt[4]{2})=text{i}sqrt[4]{2},,,,tau(text{i})=text{i},,,,sigma(sqrt[4]{2})=sqrt[4]{2},,text{ and }sigma(text{i})=-text{i},.$$
          Note that $langle tauranglecaplangle sigmarangle=text{Id}$, with $langle tauranglecong C_4$ and $langle sigmaranglecong C_2$. In addition,
          $$(taucircsigmacirctau)(sqrt[4]{2})=(taucirc sigma)(text{i}sqrt[4]{2})=tau(-text{i}sqrt[4]{2})=sqrt[4]{2}=sigma(sqrt[4]{2})$$
          and
          $$(taucircsigmacirctau)(text{i})=(taucirc sigma)(text{i})=tau(-text{i})=-text{i}=sigma(text{i}),.$$
          Hence, $taucircsigmacirctau=sigma$, or $taucircsigma=sigmacirctau^{-1}$. That is,
          $$G=biglangle tau,sigma,big|,tau^{circ 4}=text{id},,,,sigma^{circ 2}=text{id},,text{ and }taucircsigma=sigmacirctau^{-1}ranglecong D_4,.$$






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          You are wrong that there are only $4$ automorphisms of $mathbb{K}:=mathbb{Q}(sqrt[4]{2},text{i})$ that fix $mathbb{Q}$. The automorphism group $G:=text{Aut}_mathbb{Q}(mathbb{K})$ is isomorphic to the unique nonabelian semidirect product $C_4rtimes C_2cong D_4$, where $C_k$ is the cyclic group of order $k$ and $D_k$ is the dihedral group of order $2k$. The group $G$ is generated by $tau$ and $sigma$ where $$tau(sqrt[4]{2})=text{i}sqrt[4]{2},,,,tau(text{i})=text{i},,,,sigma(sqrt[4]{2})=sqrt[4]{2},,text{ and }sigma(text{i})=-text{i},.$$
          Note that $langle tauranglecaplangle sigmarangle=text{Id}$, with $langle tauranglecong C_4$ and $langle sigmaranglecong C_2$. In addition,
          $$(taucircsigmacirctau)(sqrt[4]{2})=(taucirc sigma)(text{i}sqrt[4]{2})=tau(-text{i}sqrt[4]{2})=sqrt[4]{2}=sigma(sqrt[4]{2})$$
          and
          $$(taucircsigmacirctau)(text{i})=(taucirc sigma)(text{i})=tau(-text{i})=-text{i}=sigma(text{i}),.$$
          Hence, $taucircsigmacirctau=sigma$, or $taucircsigma=sigmacirctau^{-1}$. That is,
          $$G=biglangle tau,sigma,big|,tau^{circ 4}=text{id},,,,sigma^{circ 2}=text{id},,text{ and }taucircsigma=sigmacirctau^{-1}ranglecong D_4,.$$







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          • Thanks, this helps me to realize where I was wrong, but I have a doubt now. I know that $G cong C_4 times C_2$ since $G$ is abelian and $o(tau) = 4$, but how do you observe that $G$ is abelian? Is there a quick way to observe this without resorting to brute force?
            – Math enthusiast
            Nov 15 at 0:12






          • 2




            @Mathenthusiast I am not sure if there is any other quick way to see why $G$ is abelian. You can try to find all groups of order $8$ that act transitively on the roots of the minimal polynomial of $sqrt[4]{2}+text{i}$ over $mathbb{Q}$, but I think it leads to a long solution. On the other hand, you can observe that $tau$ generates a subgroup $N$ of $G$ (which is cyclic of order $4$), $sigma$ generates a subgroup $H$ of $G$ of order $2$. Since $N$ and $H$ intersects trivially, and $$|NH|=frac{|N|,|H|}{|Ncap H|}=8=|G|,,$$ we must have $Gcong Ntimes Hcong C_4times C_2$.
            – Batominovski
            Nov 15 at 0:24












          • @JyrkiLahtonen I was too sleepy to check for whether $langle tau rangle$ or $langle sigmarangle$ is a normal subgroup of $G$ last night, and I assumed they were normal. Now that you mentioned it $langle sigmarangle$ is not normal in $G$. Thanks for the comments.
            – Batominovski
            Nov 15 at 6:41






          • 2




            @Mathenthusiast Please read Jyrki Lahtonen's comments, and note that I fixed the error. In my first comment, both $N$ and $H$ must be normal subgroups of $G$ for the conditions $NH=G$ and $Ncap H=G$ to imply $Gcong Ntimes H$.
            – Batominovski
            Nov 15 at 6:42








          • 1




            @JyrkiLahtonen No, it's ok. I think your comments are too good to be deleted.
            – Batominovski
            Nov 15 at 6:55


















          • Thanks, this helps me to realize where I was wrong, but I have a doubt now. I know that $G cong C_4 times C_2$ since $G$ is abelian and $o(tau) = 4$, but how do you observe that $G$ is abelian? Is there a quick way to observe this without resorting to brute force?
            – Math enthusiast
            Nov 15 at 0:12






          • 2




            @Mathenthusiast I am not sure if there is any other quick way to see why $G$ is abelian. You can try to find all groups of order $8$ that act transitively on the roots of the minimal polynomial of $sqrt[4]{2}+text{i}$ over $mathbb{Q}$, but I think it leads to a long solution. On the other hand, you can observe that $tau$ generates a subgroup $N$ of $G$ (which is cyclic of order $4$), $sigma$ generates a subgroup $H$ of $G$ of order $2$. Since $N$ and $H$ intersects trivially, and $$|NH|=frac{|N|,|H|}{|Ncap H|}=8=|G|,,$$ we must have $Gcong Ntimes Hcong C_4times C_2$.
            – Batominovski
            Nov 15 at 0:24












          • @JyrkiLahtonen I was too sleepy to check for whether $langle tau rangle$ or $langle sigmarangle$ is a normal subgroup of $G$ last night, and I assumed they were normal. Now that you mentioned it $langle sigmarangle$ is not normal in $G$. Thanks for the comments.
            – Batominovski
            Nov 15 at 6:41






          • 2




            @Mathenthusiast Please read Jyrki Lahtonen's comments, and note that I fixed the error. In my first comment, both $N$ and $H$ must be normal subgroups of $G$ for the conditions $NH=G$ and $Ncap H=G$ to imply $Gcong Ntimes H$.
            – Batominovski
            Nov 15 at 6:42








          • 1




            @JyrkiLahtonen No, it's ok. I think your comments are too good to be deleted.
            – Batominovski
            Nov 15 at 6:55
















          Thanks, this helps me to realize where I was wrong, but I have a doubt now. I know that $G cong C_4 times C_2$ since $G$ is abelian and $o(tau) = 4$, but how do you observe that $G$ is abelian? Is there a quick way to observe this without resorting to brute force?
          – Math enthusiast
          Nov 15 at 0:12




          Thanks, this helps me to realize where I was wrong, but I have a doubt now. I know that $G cong C_4 times C_2$ since $G$ is abelian and $o(tau) = 4$, but how do you observe that $G$ is abelian? Is there a quick way to observe this without resorting to brute force?
          – Math enthusiast
          Nov 15 at 0:12




          2




          2




          @Mathenthusiast I am not sure if there is any other quick way to see why $G$ is abelian. You can try to find all groups of order $8$ that act transitively on the roots of the minimal polynomial of $sqrt[4]{2}+text{i}$ over $mathbb{Q}$, but I think it leads to a long solution. On the other hand, you can observe that $tau$ generates a subgroup $N$ of $G$ (which is cyclic of order $4$), $sigma$ generates a subgroup $H$ of $G$ of order $2$. Since $N$ and $H$ intersects trivially, and $$|NH|=frac{|N|,|H|}{|Ncap H|}=8=|G|,,$$ we must have $Gcong Ntimes Hcong C_4times C_2$.
          – Batominovski
          Nov 15 at 0:24






          @Mathenthusiast I am not sure if there is any other quick way to see why $G$ is abelian. You can try to find all groups of order $8$ that act transitively on the roots of the minimal polynomial of $sqrt[4]{2}+text{i}$ over $mathbb{Q}$, but I think it leads to a long solution. On the other hand, you can observe that $tau$ generates a subgroup $N$ of $G$ (which is cyclic of order $4$), $sigma$ generates a subgroup $H$ of $G$ of order $2$. Since $N$ and $H$ intersects trivially, and $$|NH|=frac{|N|,|H|}{|Ncap H|}=8=|G|,,$$ we must have $Gcong Ntimes Hcong C_4times C_2$.
          – Batominovski
          Nov 15 at 0:24














          @JyrkiLahtonen I was too sleepy to check for whether $langle tau rangle$ or $langle sigmarangle$ is a normal subgroup of $G$ last night, and I assumed they were normal. Now that you mentioned it $langle sigmarangle$ is not normal in $G$. Thanks for the comments.
          – Batominovski
          Nov 15 at 6:41




          @JyrkiLahtonen I was too sleepy to check for whether $langle tau rangle$ or $langle sigmarangle$ is a normal subgroup of $G$ last night, and I assumed they were normal. Now that you mentioned it $langle sigmarangle$ is not normal in $G$. Thanks for the comments.
          – Batominovski
          Nov 15 at 6:41




          2




          2




          @Mathenthusiast Please read Jyrki Lahtonen's comments, and note that I fixed the error. In my first comment, both $N$ and $H$ must be normal subgroups of $G$ for the conditions $NH=G$ and $Ncap H=G$ to imply $Gcong Ntimes H$.
          – Batominovski
          Nov 15 at 6:42






          @Mathenthusiast Please read Jyrki Lahtonen's comments, and note that I fixed the error. In my first comment, both $N$ and $H$ must be normal subgroups of $G$ for the conditions $NH=G$ and $Ncap H=G$ to imply $Gcong Ntimes H$.
          – Batominovski
          Nov 15 at 6:42






          1




          1




          @JyrkiLahtonen No, it's ok. I think your comments are too good to be deleted.
          – Batominovski
          Nov 15 at 6:55




          @JyrkiLahtonen No, it's ok. I think your comments are too good to be deleted.
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          Nov 15 at 6:55


















           

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