Ritual hand washing
A question about netilat yadayim in the morning. Where does the custom with the bowl and cup come from?
In modern homes with clear running water, is there a problem reciting the bracha whilst washing one’s hands in the sink?
halacha blessing netilat-yadayim-washing ruach-rah
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A question about netilat yadayim in the morning. Where does the custom with the bowl and cup come from?
In modern homes with clear running water, is there a problem reciting the bracha whilst washing one’s hands in the sink?
halacha blessing netilat-yadayim-washing ruach-rah
edited Mar 15 at 10:54
user15464
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asked Mar 10 at 8:54
Freek WiekmeijerFreek Wiekmeijer
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Is your question about the bowl, the cup, or both? The answer you accepted only explains the bowl, but not why we use a cup. If that was your question, consider an edit to clarify.
– Y e z
Mar 11 at 5:07
You’re adding a new level of detail. My original question was like “why use the bedside kit when the sink is five steps away”. Usually chabad.org provides good insights but in this subject their article was mainly about the “how” and not so much the “why”.
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 11 at 6:34
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A question about netilat yadayim in the morning. Where does the custom with the bowl and cup come from?
In modern homes with clear running water, is there a problem reciting the bracha whilst washing one’s hands in the sink?
halacha blessing netilat-yadayim-washing ruach-rah
edited Mar 15 at 10:54
user15464
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asked Mar 10 at 8:54
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A question about netilat yadayim in the morning. Where does the custom with the bowl and cup come from?
In modern homes with clear running water, is there a problem reciting the bracha whilst washing one’s hands in the sink?
halacha blessing netilat-yadayim-washing ruach-rah
halacha blessing netilat-yadayim-washing ruach-rah
edited Mar 15 at 10:54
user15464
5,9751071
asked Mar 10 at 8:54
Freek WiekmeijerFreek Wiekmeijer
1604
edited Mar 15 at 10:54
user15464
5,9751071
asked Mar 10 at 8:54
Freek WiekmeijerFreek Wiekmeijer
1604
edited Mar 15 at 10:54
user15464
5,9751071
edited Mar 15 at 10:54
user15464
5,9751071
edited Mar 15 at 10:54
user15464
5,9751071
5,9751071
asked Mar 10 at 8:54
Freek WiekmeijerFreek Wiekmeijer
1604
asked Mar 10 at 8:54
Freek WiekmeijerFreek Wiekmeijer
1604
asked Mar 10 at 8:54
Freek WiekmeijerFreek Wiekmeijer
1604
1604
Is your question about the bowl, the cup, or both? The answer you accepted only explains the bowl, but not why we use a cup. If that was your question, consider an edit to clarify.
– Y e z
Mar 11 at 5:07
You’re adding a new level of detail. My original question was like “why use the bedside kit when the sink is five steps away”. Usually chabad.org provides good insights but in this subject their article was mainly about the “how” and not so much the “why”.
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 11 at 6:34
add a comment |
Is your question about the bowl, the cup, or both? The answer you accepted only explains the bowl, but not why we use a cup. If that was your question, consider an edit to clarify.
– Y e z
Mar 11 at 5:07
You’re adding a new level of detail. My original question was like “why use the bedside kit when the sink is five steps away”. Usually chabad.org provides good insights but in this subject their article was mainly about the “how” and not so much the “why”.
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 11 at 6:34
Is your question about the bowl, the cup, or both? The answer you accepted only explains the bowl, but not why we use a cup. If that was your question, consider an edit to clarify.
– Y e z
Mar 11 at 5:07
Is your question about the bowl, the cup, or both? The answer you accepted only explains the bowl, but not why we use a cup. If that was your question, consider an edit to clarify.
– Y e z
Mar 11 at 5:07
You’re adding a new level of detail. My original question was like “why use the bedside kit when the sink is five steps away”. Usually chabad.org provides good insights but in this subject their article was mainly about the “how” and not so much the “why”.
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 11 at 6:34
You’re adding a new level of detail. My original question was like “why use the bedside kit when the sink is five steps away”. Usually chabad.org provides good insights but in this subject their article was mainly about the “how” and not so much the “why”.
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 11 at 6:34
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The Machatzitz Hashekel Orach Chaim 4,1:3 quotes the Bach from Tolaas Yaakov in the name of the Zohar that one shouldn't walk 4 cubits after waking up in the morning without washing ones hands Netilas Yodayim. So a bowl with a cup next to one's bed is the solution. But the Mordechai (Rishon) seems to be lenient that one can walk till the sink to wash ones hands with a cup. As long as one is under one roof this is considered like walking no more than 4 cubits (only outdoors 4 cubits is relevant) as this Halacha is not mentioned explicitly in the Gemora.
כ' הב"ח בשם ת"י ההולך ד' אמות בשחרית קודם שנטל ידיו חייב מיתה ותמה הב"ח על הרב בית יוסף שהשמיטו ואולי משום מוטב יהיו שוגגים כו'. ובס' אליה רבה סי' א' הביא בשם גיסו ה"ה מהרר"י בעל מנחת יעקב שאמר ליישב מנהג העולם שסומכים ע"ד המרדכי שהביא ש"ך יורה דעה סימן שד"מ בהא דאמרינן אין אומרים בפני המת אלא דבריו של מת. וכ' רב האי גאון דוקא תוך ד' אמות של מת וכ' המרדכי דכל תחתיו נחשב כד"א וא"כ ה"ה כאן מותר לילך בכל החדר קודם נטילה. ובעל א"ר דחה דהא קי"ל בכל דוכתי גם לענין צואה בבית דאין כל החדר נחשב לד' אמות א"כ קשיין דברי המרדכי אעכצ"ל דהמרדכי לא אמרה אלא לגבי מת דלא הוזכר בפי' בגמ' שיעור ד' אמות לכן להאי טעמא מסתבר למרדכי דכל החדר נחשב לענין זה כד' אמות
If the sink is is in the restroom then one should refrain saying the Brocha till walking out of the restroom. as it is a dirty place, but a sink outside the restroom is not a dirty place and one can make a Brocho. Mishna Brura 3,1,3:
אך יראה בעת הברכה להרחיק מהעביט של המי רגליים
ארבע אמות אם הוא עומד בחדרו
answered Mar 10 at 9:45
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I see a checkmark but don't understand how this answers the question. I thought the question was about pouring water over the hands versus washing them as usual, without a cup.
– msh210♦
Mar 10 at 11:58
I get the answer. The walk to the sink exceeds the prescribed distance of 4 cubits (like 2 meters).
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:09
I do feel this is a rather legalistic point of view. “don’t go four cubits before...” might also translate to “don’t start your day before...”. But then, these kind of philosophical differences are omnipresent in Judaism.
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:11
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The Machatzitz Hashekel Orach Chaim 4,1:3 quotes the Bach from Tolaas Yaakov in the name of the Zohar that one shouldn't walk 4 cubits after waking up in the morning without washing ones hands Netilas Yodayim. So a bowl with a cup next to one's bed is the solution. But the Mordechai (Rishon) seems to be lenient that one can walk till the sink to wash ones hands with a cup. As long as one is under one roof this is considered like walking no more than 4 cubits (only outdoors 4 cubits is relevant) as this Halacha is not mentioned explicitly in the Gemora.
כ' הב"ח בשם ת"י ההולך ד' אמות בשחרית קודם שנטל ידיו חייב מיתה ותמה הב"ח על הרב בית יוסף שהשמיטו ואולי משום מוטב יהיו שוגגים כו'. ובס' אליה רבה סי' א' הביא בשם גיסו ה"ה מהרר"י בעל מנחת יעקב שאמר ליישב מנהג העולם שסומכים ע"ד המרדכי שהביא ש"ך יורה דעה סימן שד"מ בהא דאמרינן אין אומרים בפני המת אלא דבריו של מת. וכ' רב האי גאון דוקא תוך ד' אמות של מת וכ' המרדכי דכל תחתיו נחשב כד"א וא"כ ה"ה כאן מותר לילך בכל החדר קודם נטילה. ובעל א"ר דחה דהא קי"ל בכל דוכתי גם לענין צואה בבית דאין כל החדר נחשב לד' אמות א"כ קשיין דברי המרדכי אעכצ"ל דהמרדכי לא אמרה אלא לגבי מת דלא הוזכר בפי' בגמ' שיעור ד' אמות לכן להאי טעמא מסתבר למרדכי דכל החדר נחשב לענין זה כד' אמות
If the sink is is in the restroom then one should refrain saying the Brocha till walking out of the restroom. as it is a dirty place, but a sink outside the restroom is not a dirty place and one can make a Brocho. Mishna Brura 3,1,3:
אך יראה בעת הברכה להרחיק מהעביט של המי רגליים
ארבע אמות אם הוא עומד בחדרו
answered Mar 10 at 9:45
user15464user15464
5,9751071
I see a checkmark but don't understand how this answers the question. I thought the question was about pouring water over the hands versus washing them as usual, without a cup.
– msh210♦
Mar 10 at 11:58
I get the answer. The walk to the sink exceeds the prescribed distance of 4 cubits (like 2 meters).
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:09
I do feel this is a rather legalistic point of view. “don’t go four cubits before...” might also translate to “don’t start your day before...”. But then, these kind of philosophical differences are omnipresent in Judaism.
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:11
add a comment |
The Machatzitz Hashekel Orach Chaim 4,1:3 quotes the Bach from Tolaas Yaakov in the name of the Zohar that one shouldn't walk 4 cubits after waking up in the morning without washing ones hands Netilas Yodayim. So a bowl with a cup next to one's bed is the solution. But the Mordechai (Rishon) seems to be lenient that one can walk till the sink to wash ones hands with a cup. As long as one is under one roof this is considered like walking no more than 4 cubits (only outdoors 4 cubits is relevant) as this Halacha is not mentioned explicitly in the Gemora.
כ' הב"ח בשם ת"י ההולך ד' אמות בשחרית קודם שנטל ידיו חייב מיתה ותמה הב"ח על הרב בית יוסף שהשמיטו ואולי משום מוטב יהיו שוגגים כו'. ובס' אליה רבה סי' א' הביא בשם גיסו ה"ה מהרר"י בעל מנחת יעקב שאמר ליישב מנהג העולם שסומכים ע"ד המרדכי שהביא ש"ך יורה דעה סימן שד"מ בהא דאמרינן אין אומרים בפני המת אלא דבריו של מת. וכ' רב האי גאון דוקא תוך ד' אמות של מת וכ' המרדכי דכל תחתיו נחשב כד"א וא"כ ה"ה כאן מותר לילך בכל החדר קודם נטילה. ובעל א"ר דחה דהא קי"ל בכל דוכתי גם לענין צואה בבית דאין כל החדר נחשב לד' אמות א"כ קשיין דברי המרדכי אעכצ"ל דהמרדכי לא אמרה אלא לגבי מת דלא הוזכר בפי' בגמ' שיעור ד' אמות לכן להאי טעמא מסתבר למרדכי דכל החדר נחשב לענין זה כד' אמות
If the sink is is in the restroom then one should refrain saying the Brocha till walking out of the restroom. as it is a dirty place, but a sink outside the restroom is not a dirty place and one can make a Brocho. Mishna Brura 3,1,3:
אך יראה בעת הברכה להרחיק מהעביט של המי רגליים
ארבע אמות אם הוא עומד בחדרו
answered Mar 10 at 9:45
user15464user15464
5,9751071
I see a checkmark but don't understand how this answers the question. I thought the question was about pouring water over the hands versus washing them as usual, without a cup.
– msh210♦
Mar 10 at 11:58
I get the answer. The walk to the sink exceeds the prescribed distance of 4 cubits (like 2 meters).
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:09
I do feel this is a rather legalistic point of view. “don’t go four cubits before...” might also translate to “don’t start your day before...”. But then, these kind of philosophical differences are omnipresent in Judaism.
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:11
add a comment |
The Machatzitz Hashekel Orach Chaim 4,1:3 quotes the Bach from Tolaas Yaakov in the name of the Zohar that one shouldn't walk 4 cubits after waking up in the morning without washing ones hands Netilas Yodayim. So a bowl with a cup next to one's bed is the solution. But the Mordechai (Rishon) seems to be lenient that one can walk till the sink to wash ones hands with a cup. As long as one is under one roof this is considered like walking no more than 4 cubits (only outdoors 4 cubits is relevant) as this Halacha is not mentioned explicitly in the Gemora.
כ' הב"ח בשם ת"י ההולך ד' אמות בשחרית קודם שנטל ידיו חייב מיתה ותמה הב"ח על הרב בית יוסף שהשמיטו ואולי משום מוטב יהיו שוגגים כו'. ובס' אליה רבה סי' א' הביא בשם גיסו ה"ה מהרר"י בעל מנחת יעקב שאמר ליישב מנהג העולם שסומכים ע"ד המרדכי שהביא ש"ך יורה דעה סימן שד"מ בהא דאמרינן אין אומרים בפני המת אלא דבריו של מת. וכ' רב האי גאון דוקא תוך ד' אמות של מת וכ' המרדכי דכל תחתיו נחשב כד"א וא"כ ה"ה כאן מותר לילך בכל החדר קודם נטילה. ובעל א"ר דחה דהא קי"ל בכל דוכתי גם לענין צואה בבית דאין כל החדר נחשב לד' אמות א"כ קשיין דברי המרדכי אעכצ"ל דהמרדכי לא אמרה אלא לגבי מת דלא הוזכר בפי' בגמ' שיעור ד' אמות לכן להאי טעמא מסתבר למרדכי דכל החדר נחשב לענין זה כד' אמות
If the sink is is in the restroom then one should refrain saying the Brocha till walking out of the restroom. as it is a dirty place, but a sink outside the restroom is not a dirty place and one can make a Brocho. Mishna Brura 3,1,3:
אך יראה בעת הברכה להרחיק מהעביט של המי רגליים
ארבע אמות אם הוא עומד בחדרו
answered Mar 10 at 9:45
user15464user15464
5,9751071
The Machatzitz Hashekel Orach Chaim 4,1:3 quotes the Bach from Tolaas Yaakov in the name of the Zohar that one shouldn't walk 4 cubits after waking up in the morning without washing ones hands Netilas Yodayim. So a bowl with a cup next to one's bed is the solution. But the Mordechai (Rishon) seems to be lenient that one can walk till the sink to wash ones hands with a cup. As long as one is under one roof this is considered like walking no more than 4 cubits (only outdoors 4 cubits is relevant) as this Halacha is not mentioned explicitly in the Gemora.
כ' הב"ח בשם ת"י ההולך ד' אמות בשחרית קודם שנטל ידיו חייב מיתה ותמה הב"ח על הרב בית יוסף שהשמיטו ואולי משום מוטב יהיו שוגגים כו'. ובס' אליה רבה סי' א' הביא בשם גיסו ה"ה מהרר"י בעל מנחת יעקב שאמר ליישב מנהג העולם שסומכים ע"ד המרדכי שהביא ש"ך יורה דעה סימן שד"מ בהא דאמרינן אין אומרים בפני המת אלא דבריו של מת. וכ' רב האי גאון דוקא תוך ד' אמות של מת וכ' המרדכי דכל תחתיו נחשב כד"א וא"כ ה"ה כאן מותר לילך בכל החדר קודם נטילה. ובעל א"ר דחה דהא קי"ל בכל דוכתי גם לענין צואה בבית דאין כל החדר נחשב לד' אמות א"כ קשיין דברי המרדכי אעכצ"ל דהמרדכי לא אמרה אלא לגבי מת דלא הוזכר בפי' בגמ' שיעור ד' אמות לכן להאי טעמא מסתבר למרדכי דכל החדר נחשב לענין זה כד' אמות
If the sink is is in the restroom then one should refrain saying the Brocha till walking out of the restroom. as it is a dirty place, but a sink outside the restroom is not a dirty place and one can make a Brocho. Mishna Brura 3,1,3:
אך יראה בעת הברכה להרחיק מהעביט של המי רגליים
ארבע אמות אם הוא עומד בחדרו
answered Mar 10 at 9:45
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edited Mar 15 at 10:52
answered Mar 10 at 9:45
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answered Mar 10 at 9:45
user15464user15464
5,9751071
answered Mar 10 at 9:45
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I see a checkmark but don't understand how this answers the question. I thought the question was about pouring water over the hands versus washing them as usual, without a cup.
– msh210♦
Mar 10 at 11:58
I get the answer. The walk to the sink exceeds the prescribed distance of 4 cubits (like 2 meters).
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:09
I do feel this is a rather legalistic point of view. “don’t go four cubits before...” might also translate to “don’t start your day before...”. But then, these kind of philosophical differences are omnipresent in Judaism.
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:11
add a comment |
I see a checkmark but don't understand how this answers the question. I thought the question was about pouring water over the hands versus washing them as usual, without a cup.
– msh210♦
Mar 10 at 11:58
I get the answer. The walk to the sink exceeds the prescribed distance of 4 cubits (like 2 meters).
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:09
I do feel this is a rather legalistic point of view. “don’t go four cubits before...” might also translate to “don’t start your day before...”. But then, these kind of philosophical differences are omnipresent in Judaism.
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:11
I see a checkmark but don't understand how this answers the question. I thought the question was about pouring water over the hands versus washing them as usual, without a cup.
– msh210♦
Mar 10 at 11:58
I see a checkmark but don't understand how this answers the question. I thought the question was about pouring water over the hands versus washing them as usual, without a cup.
– msh210♦
Mar 10 at 11:58
I get the answer. The walk to the sink exceeds the prescribed distance of 4 cubits (like 2 meters).
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:09
I get the answer. The walk to the sink exceeds the prescribed distance of 4 cubits (like 2 meters).
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:09
I do feel this is a rather legalistic point of view. “don’t go four cubits before...” might also translate to “don’t start your day before...”. But then, these kind of philosophical differences are omnipresent in Judaism.
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:11
I do feel this is a rather legalistic point of view. “don’t go four cubits before...” might also translate to “don’t start your day before...”. But then, these kind of philosophical differences are omnipresent in Judaism.
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 10 at 12:11
add a comment |
Is your question about the bowl, the cup, or both? The answer you accepted only explains the bowl, but not why we use a cup. If that was your question, consider an edit to clarify.
– Y e z
Mar 11 at 5:07
You’re adding a new level of detail. My original question was like “why use the bedside kit when the sink is five steps away”. Usually chabad.org provides good insights but in this subject their article was mainly about the “how” and not so much the “why”.
– Freek Wiekmeijer
Mar 11 at 6:34