Approximating a Hilbert-Schmidt operator
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Let $H$ be a separable Hilbert space. Recall that a bounded operator $A : H to H$ is said to be Hilbert-Schmidt if $$|A|_{HS}^2 := sum_{i=1}^infty |A e_i|^2 < infty$$
where ${e_i}_{i=1}^infty$ is an orthonormal basis for $H$. (The value of $|A|_{HS}$ does not depend on the basis chosen.)
Suppose that $A$ is Hilbert-Schmidt, and let ${P_n}$ be a sequence of finite-rank orthogonal projection operators on $H$, such that $P_n to I$ strongly (i.e. $P_n x to x$ for every $x in H$). Does $P_n A P_n to A$ in the Hilbert-Schmidt norm $|cdot|_{HS}$?
I can prove this under the additional assumption that ${P_n}$ is increasing, i.e. $P_n H subset P_{n+1} H$. In this case, we may choose an orthonormal basis ${e_i}$ for $H$ such that for each $n$, $e_1, dots, e_{d_n}$ is an orthonormal basis for $P_n H$, where $d_n$ is the rank of $P_n$. Then $P_n e_i$ = $e_i$ for $i le d_n$, and $P_n e_i = 0$ otherwise, so we can write
$$|P_n A P_n - A|_{HS}^2 = sum_{i=1}^{d_n} |(P_n - I) A e_i|^2 + sum_{i=d_n+1}^infty |A e_i|^2.$$
As $n to infty$, $d_n to infty$, and the second term goes to 0 because it is the tail of the convergent series $sum |A e_i|^2 = |A|_{HS}^2$. For the first term, we have $$|(P_n - I) A e_i| le |P_n - I| |A e_i| le 2 |A e_i|$$
which is a square-summable sequence because $A$ is Hilbert-Schmidt. And for each $i$ we have $|(P_n - I) A e_i| to 0$ since $P_n to I$ strongly. So by the dominated convergence theorem, we conclude the first term also goes to 0.
However, without this assumption, $P_n e_i$ is harder to deal with, and I don't see how to craft a proof (nor a counterexample).
If it helps, I'm most interested in the case where $A$ is skew-adjoint, i.e. $A^* = -A$.
I'd also be interested to know if this statement still holds if we drop the assumption that $P_n$ are orthogonal projections, and only assume that they are finite rank and converge strongly to $I$.
Thanks!
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Let $H$ be a separable Hilbert space. Recall that a bounded operator $A : H to H$ is said to be Hilbert-Schmidt if $$|A|_{HS}^2 := sum_{i=1}^infty |A e_i|^2 < infty$$
where ${e_i}_{i=1}^infty$ is an orthonormal basis for $H$. (The value of $|A|_{HS}$ does not depend on the basis chosen.)
Suppose that $A$ is Hilbert-Schmidt, and let ${P_n}$ be a sequence of finite-rank orthogonal projection operators on $H$, such that $P_n to I$ strongly (i.e. $P_n x to x$ for every $x in H$). Does $P_n A P_n to A$ in the Hilbert-Schmidt norm $|cdot|_{HS}$?
I can prove this under the additional assumption that ${P_n}$ is increasing, i.e. $P_n H subset P_{n+1} H$. In this case, we may choose an orthonormal basis ${e_i}$ for $H$ such that for each $n$, $e_1, dots, e_{d_n}$ is an orthonormal basis for $P_n H$, where $d_n$ is the rank of $P_n$. Then $P_n e_i$ = $e_i$ for $i le d_n$, and $P_n e_i = 0$ otherwise, so we can write
$$|P_n A P_n - A|_{HS}^2 = sum_{i=1}^{d_n} |(P_n - I) A e_i|^2 + sum_{i=d_n+1}^infty |A e_i|^2.$$
As $n to infty$, $d_n to infty$, and the second term goes to 0 because it is the tail of the convergent series $sum |A e_i|^2 = |A|_{HS}^2$. For the first term, we have $$|(P_n - I) A e_i| le |P_n - I| |A e_i| le 2 |A e_i|$$
which is a square-summable sequence because $A$ is Hilbert-Schmidt. And for each $i$ we have $|(P_n - I) A e_i| to 0$ since $P_n to I$ strongly. So by the dominated convergence theorem, we conclude the first term also goes to 0.
However, without this assumption, $P_n e_i$ is harder to deal with, and I don't see how to craft a proof (nor a counterexample).
If it helps, I'm most interested in the case where $A$ is skew-adjoint, i.e. $A^* = -A$.
I'd also be interested to know if this statement still holds if we drop the assumption that $P_n$ are orthogonal projections, and only assume that they are finite rank and converge strongly to $I$.
Thanks!
functional-analysis operator-theory hilbert-spaces
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I guess the same argument works for the more general case, where $Q_n$ are operators of finite rank, and $Q_nto I$ strongly. Then $Q_nAQ_n^*to A$ in HS-norm. Let $U_n:=bigcup_{i=1}^n{rm Ran}(Q_i)$, and keep on extending an orthonormal base for these. As I see, you didn't really use $P_ne_i=e_i$...
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– Berci
Apr 26 '13 at 0:22
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@Berci: I did use it: in the first display, it's used to replace $(P_n A P_n - A) e_i$ by $(P_n - I)A e_i$. Without this, I don't see how to control this term, as we do not know so much about $sum_i |A P_n e_i|$.
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– Nate Eldredge
Apr 26 '13 at 1:02
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Let $H$ be a separable Hilbert space. Recall that a bounded operator $A : H to H$ is said to be Hilbert-Schmidt if $$|A|_{HS}^2 := sum_{i=1}^infty |A e_i|^2 < infty$$
where ${e_i}_{i=1}^infty$ is an orthonormal basis for $H$. (The value of $|A|_{HS}$ does not depend on the basis chosen.)
Suppose that $A$ is Hilbert-Schmidt, and let ${P_n}$ be a sequence of finite-rank orthogonal projection operators on $H$, such that $P_n to I$ strongly (i.e. $P_n x to x$ for every $x in H$). Does $P_n A P_n to A$ in the Hilbert-Schmidt norm $|cdot|_{HS}$?
I can prove this under the additional assumption that ${P_n}$ is increasing, i.e. $P_n H subset P_{n+1} H$. In this case, we may choose an orthonormal basis ${e_i}$ for $H$ such that for each $n$, $e_1, dots, e_{d_n}$ is an orthonormal basis for $P_n H$, where $d_n$ is the rank of $P_n$. Then $P_n e_i$ = $e_i$ for $i le d_n$, and $P_n e_i = 0$ otherwise, so we can write
$$|P_n A P_n - A|_{HS}^2 = sum_{i=1}^{d_n} |(P_n - I) A e_i|^2 + sum_{i=d_n+1}^infty |A e_i|^2.$$
As $n to infty$, $d_n to infty$, and the second term goes to 0 because it is the tail of the convergent series $sum |A e_i|^2 = |A|_{HS}^2$. For the first term, we have $$|(P_n - I) A e_i| le |P_n - I| |A e_i| le 2 |A e_i|$$
which is a square-summable sequence because $A$ is Hilbert-Schmidt. And for each $i$ we have $|(P_n - I) A e_i| to 0$ since $P_n to I$ strongly. So by the dominated convergence theorem, we conclude the first term also goes to 0.
However, without this assumption, $P_n e_i$ is harder to deal with, and I don't see how to craft a proof (nor a counterexample).
If it helps, I'm most interested in the case where $A$ is skew-adjoint, i.e. $A^* = -A$.
I'd also be interested to know if this statement still holds if we drop the assumption that $P_n$ are orthogonal projections, and only assume that they are finite rank and converge strongly to $I$.
Thanks!
functional-analysis operator-theory hilbert-spaces
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Let $H$ be a separable Hilbert space. Recall that a bounded operator $A : H to H$ is said to be Hilbert-Schmidt if $$|A|_{HS}^2 := sum_{i=1}^infty |A e_i|^2 < infty$$
where ${e_i}_{i=1}^infty$ is an orthonormal basis for $H$. (The value of $|A|_{HS}$ does not depend on the basis chosen.)
Suppose that $A$ is Hilbert-Schmidt, and let ${P_n}$ be a sequence of finite-rank orthogonal projection operators on $H$, such that $P_n to I$ strongly (i.e. $P_n x to x$ for every $x in H$). Does $P_n A P_n to A$ in the Hilbert-Schmidt norm $|cdot|_{HS}$?
I can prove this under the additional assumption that ${P_n}$ is increasing, i.e. $P_n H subset P_{n+1} H$. In this case, we may choose an orthonormal basis ${e_i}$ for $H$ such that for each $n$, $e_1, dots, e_{d_n}$ is an orthonormal basis for $P_n H$, where $d_n$ is the rank of $P_n$. Then $P_n e_i$ = $e_i$ for $i le d_n$, and $P_n e_i = 0$ otherwise, so we can write
$$|P_n A P_n - A|_{HS}^2 = sum_{i=1}^{d_n} |(P_n - I) A e_i|^2 + sum_{i=d_n+1}^infty |A e_i|^2.$$
As $n to infty$, $d_n to infty$, and the second term goes to 0 because it is the tail of the convergent series $sum |A e_i|^2 = |A|_{HS}^2$. For the first term, we have $$|(P_n - I) A e_i| le |P_n - I| |A e_i| le 2 |A e_i|$$
which is a square-summable sequence because $A$ is Hilbert-Schmidt. And for each $i$ we have $|(P_n - I) A e_i| to 0$ since $P_n to I$ strongly. So by the dominated convergence theorem, we conclude the first term also goes to 0.
However, without this assumption, $P_n e_i$ is harder to deal with, and I don't see how to craft a proof (nor a counterexample).
If it helps, I'm most interested in the case where $A$ is skew-adjoint, i.e. $A^* = -A$.
I'd also be interested to know if this statement still holds if we drop the assumption that $P_n$ are orthogonal projections, and only assume that they are finite rank and converge strongly to $I$.
Thanks!
functional-analysis operator-theory hilbert-spaces
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I guess the same argument works for the more general case, where $Q_n$ are operators of finite rank, and $Q_nto I$ strongly. Then $Q_nAQ_n^*to A$ in HS-norm. Let $U_n:=bigcup_{i=1}^n{rm Ran}(Q_i)$, and keep on extending an orthonormal base for these. As I see, you didn't really use $P_ne_i=e_i$...
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– Berci
Apr 26 '13 at 0:22
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@Berci: I did use it: in the first display, it's used to replace $(P_n A P_n - A) e_i$ by $(P_n - I)A e_i$. Without this, I don't see how to control this term, as we do not know so much about $sum_i |A P_n e_i|$.
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– Nate Eldredge
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I guess the same argument works for the more general case, where $Q_n$ are operators of finite rank, and $Q_nto I$ strongly. Then $Q_nAQ_n^*to A$ in HS-norm. Let $U_n:=bigcup_{i=1}^n{rm Ran}(Q_i)$, and keep on extending an orthonormal base for these. As I see, you didn't really use $P_ne_i=e_i$...
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– Berci
Apr 26 '13 at 0:22
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@Berci: I did use it: in the first display, it's used to replace $(P_n A P_n - A) e_i$ by $(P_n - I)A e_i$. Without this, I don't see how to control this term, as we do not know so much about $sum_i |A P_n e_i|$.
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– Nate Eldredge
Apr 26 '13 at 1:02
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I guess the same argument works for the more general case, where $Q_n$ are operators of finite rank, and $Q_nto I$ strongly. Then $Q_nAQ_n^*to A$ in HS-norm. Let $U_n:=bigcup_{i=1}^n{rm Ran}(Q_i)$, and keep on extending an orthonormal base for these. As I see, you didn't really use $P_ne_i=e_i$...
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– Berci
Apr 26 '13 at 0:22
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I guess the same argument works for the more general case, where $Q_n$ are operators of finite rank, and $Q_nto I$ strongly. Then $Q_nAQ_n^*to A$ in HS-norm. Let $U_n:=bigcup_{i=1}^n{rm Ran}(Q_i)$, and keep on extending an orthonormal base for these. As I see, you didn't really use $P_ne_i=e_i$...
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– Berci
Apr 26 '13 at 0:22
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@Berci: I did use it: in the first display, it's used to replace $(P_n A P_n - A) e_i$ by $(P_n - I)A e_i$. Without this, I don't see how to control this term, as we do not know so much about $sum_i |A P_n e_i|$.
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– Nate Eldredge
Apr 26 '13 at 1:02
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@Berci: I did use it: in the first display, it's used to replace $(P_n A P_n - A) e_i$ by $(P_n - I)A e_i$. Without this, I don't see how to control this term, as we do not know so much about $sum_i |A P_n e_i|$.
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Suppose that ${F_n}$ is a sequence of finite-rank operators such that $F_nto I$ strongly. Note that by the uniform boundedness principle the sequence is bounded, i.e. there exists $k>0$ with $|F_n|<k$ for all $n$ (thanks julien for reminding me of this). I will assume that all $F_n$ are selfadjoint (I need for my estimates, but didn't think if there is a counterexample or not).
We have
$$
|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2=sum_j|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2=sum_{j=1}^n|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2+sum_{j=n+1}^infty|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2\ leqsum_{j=1}^n|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2+(2k^2+2)sum_{j=n+1}^infty|Ae_j|^2
$$
and now we can reason as in Nate's proof to say that this goes to zero (i.e. use that $A$ is HS for the tail, and the pointwise convergence of $F_n-I$ to zero in the first finite sum).
This also implies that $A(F_n-I)to0$ in HS norm. Indeed,
$$
|A(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2=mbox{Tr}((F_n-I)A^*A(F_n-I))=mbox{Tr}(A(F_n-I)(F_n-I)A^*)\ =|(F_n-I)A^*|_{HS}^2
$$
(as $A$ is HS if and only if $A^*$ is, the above works).
Now
$$
|F_nAF_n-A|_{HS}^2=|F_nAF_n-F_nA-(I-F_n)A|_{HS}^2=|F_nA(F_n-I)+(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2\ leq2|F_nA(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2+2|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2leq2k^2|A(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2+2|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2to0.
$$
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Nicely done, +1. Just a remark: if the sequence $F_n$ converges strongly ie pointwise, the uniform boundedness principle says that it is bounded in $B(H)$ for the operator norm.
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– Julien
Apr 26 '13 at 3:19
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Good point! I was too lazy to think about that. I'll edit accordingly.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 26 '13 at 4:33
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Thanks very much! In fact, on further inspection, it's unnecessary that $F_n$ be of finite rank; the dominated convergence takes care of the first sum even if it's infinite. Also, the argument can show $F_n A F_n^* to A$ without needing self-adjointness. Indeed, we can show the more general statement: if $S_n to S$ and $T_n to T$ strongly, then $S_n A T_n^* to S A T^*$ in HS norm.
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– Nate Eldredge
Apr 27 '13 at 13:08
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Good points, Nate. If you want me, I'll edit for the answer to say this, but I'll leave the decision to you.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 27 '13 at 23:45
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Suppose that ${F_n}$ is a sequence of finite-rank operators such that $F_nto I$ strongly. Note that by the uniform boundedness principle the sequence is bounded, i.e. there exists $k>0$ with $|F_n|<k$ for all $n$ (thanks julien for reminding me of this). I will assume that all $F_n$ are selfadjoint (I need for my estimates, but didn't think if there is a counterexample or not).
We have
$$
|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2=sum_j|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2=sum_{j=1}^n|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2+sum_{j=n+1}^infty|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2\ leqsum_{j=1}^n|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2+(2k^2+2)sum_{j=n+1}^infty|Ae_j|^2
$$
and now we can reason as in Nate's proof to say that this goes to zero (i.e. use that $A$ is HS for the tail, and the pointwise convergence of $F_n-I$ to zero in the first finite sum).
This also implies that $A(F_n-I)to0$ in HS norm. Indeed,
$$
|A(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2=mbox{Tr}((F_n-I)A^*A(F_n-I))=mbox{Tr}(A(F_n-I)(F_n-I)A^*)\ =|(F_n-I)A^*|_{HS}^2
$$
(as $A$ is HS if and only if $A^*$ is, the above works).
Now
$$
|F_nAF_n-A|_{HS}^2=|F_nAF_n-F_nA-(I-F_n)A|_{HS}^2=|F_nA(F_n-I)+(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2\ leq2|F_nA(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2+2|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2leq2k^2|A(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2+2|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2to0.
$$
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Nicely done, +1. Just a remark: if the sequence $F_n$ converges strongly ie pointwise, the uniform boundedness principle says that it is bounded in $B(H)$ for the operator norm.
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– Julien
Apr 26 '13 at 3:19
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Good point! I was too lazy to think about that. I'll edit accordingly.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 26 '13 at 4:33
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Thanks very much! In fact, on further inspection, it's unnecessary that $F_n$ be of finite rank; the dominated convergence takes care of the first sum even if it's infinite. Also, the argument can show $F_n A F_n^* to A$ without needing self-adjointness. Indeed, we can show the more general statement: if $S_n to S$ and $T_n to T$ strongly, then $S_n A T_n^* to S A T^*$ in HS norm.
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– Nate Eldredge
Apr 27 '13 at 13:08
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Good points, Nate. If you want me, I'll edit for the answer to say this, but I'll leave the decision to you.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 27 '13 at 23:45
add a comment |
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Suppose that ${F_n}$ is a sequence of finite-rank operators such that $F_nto I$ strongly. Note that by the uniform boundedness principle the sequence is bounded, i.e. there exists $k>0$ with $|F_n|<k$ for all $n$ (thanks julien for reminding me of this). I will assume that all $F_n$ are selfadjoint (I need for my estimates, but didn't think if there is a counterexample or not).
We have
$$
|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2=sum_j|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2=sum_{j=1}^n|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2+sum_{j=n+1}^infty|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2\ leqsum_{j=1}^n|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2+(2k^2+2)sum_{j=n+1}^infty|Ae_j|^2
$$
and now we can reason as in Nate's proof to say that this goes to zero (i.e. use that $A$ is HS for the tail, and the pointwise convergence of $F_n-I$ to zero in the first finite sum).
This also implies that $A(F_n-I)to0$ in HS norm. Indeed,
$$
|A(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2=mbox{Tr}((F_n-I)A^*A(F_n-I))=mbox{Tr}(A(F_n-I)(F_n-I)A^*)\ =|(F_n-I)A^*|_{HS}^2
$$
(as $A$ is HS if and only if $A^*$ is, the above works).
Now
$$
|F_nAF_n-A|_{HS}^2=|F_nAF_n-F_nA-(I-F_n)A|_{HS}^2=|F_nA(F_n-I)+(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2\ leq2|F_nA(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2+2|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2leq2k^2|A(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2+2|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2to0.
$$
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Nicely done, +1. Just a remark: if the sequence $F_n$ converges strongly ie pointwise, the uniform boundedness principle says that it is bounded in $B(H)$ for the operator norm.
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– Julien
Apr 26 '13 at 3:19
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Good point! I was too lazy to think about that. I'll edit accordingly.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 26 '13 at 4:33
1
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Thanks very much! In fact, on further inspection, it's unnecessary that $F_n$ be of finite rank; the dominated convergence takes care of the first sum even if it's infinite. Also, the argument can show $F_n A F_n^* to A$ without needing self-adjointness. Indeed, we can show the more general statement: if $S_n to S$ and $T_n to T$ strongly, then $S_n A T_n^* to S A T^*$ in HS norm.
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– Nate Eldredge
Apr 27 '13 at 13:08
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Good points, Nate. If you want me, I'll edit for the answer to say this, but I'll leave the decision to you.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 27 '13 at 23:45
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Suppose that ${F_n}$ is a sequence of finite-rank operators such that $F_nto I$ strongly. Note that by the uniform boundedness principle the sequence is bounded, i.e. there exists $k>0$ with $|F_n|<k$ for all $n$ (thanks julien for reminding me of this). I will assume that all $F_n$ are selfadjoint (I need for my estimates, but didn't think if there is a counterexample or not).
We have
$$
|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2=sum_j|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2=sum_{j=1}^n|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2+sum_{j=n+1}^infty|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2\ leqsum_{j=1}^n|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2+(2k^2+2)sum_{j=n+1}^infty|Ae_j|^2
$$
and now we can reason as in Nate's proof to say that this goes to zero (i.e. use that $A$ is HS for the tail, and the pointwise convergence of $F_n-I$ to zero in the first finite sum).
This also implies that $A(F_n-I)to0$ in HS norm. Indeed,
$$
|A(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2=mbox{Tr}((F_n-I)A^*A(F_n-I))=mbox{Tr}(A(F_n-I)(F_n-I)A^*)\ =|(F_n-I)A^*|_{HS}^2
$$
(as $A$ is HS if and only if $A^*$ is, the above works).
Now
$$
|F_nAF_n-A|_{HS}^2=|F_nAF_n-F_nA-(I-F_n)A|_{HS}^2=|F_nA(F_n-I)+(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2\ leq2|F_nA(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2+2|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2leq2k^2|A(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2+2|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2to0.
$$
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Suppose that ${F_n}$ is a sequence of finite-rank operators such that $F_nto I$ strongly. Note that by the uniform boundedness principle the sequence is bounded, i.e. there exists $k>0$ with $|F_n|<k$ for all $n$ (thanks julien for reminding me of this). I will assume that all $F_n$ are selfadjoint (I need for my estimates, but didn't think if there is a counterexample or not).
We have
$$
|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2=sum_j|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2=sum_{j=1}^n|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2+sum_{j=n+1}^infty|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2\ leqsum_{j=1}^n|(F_n-I)Ae_j|^2+(2k^2+2)sum_{j=n+1}^infty|Ae_j|^2
$$
and now we can reason as in Nate's proof to say that this goes to zero (i.e. use that $A$ is HS for the tail, and the pointwise convergence of $F_n-I$ to zero in the first finite sum).
This also implies that $A(F_n-I)to0$ in HS norm. Indeed,
$$
|A(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2=mbox{Tr}((F_n-I)A^*A(F_n-I))=mbox{Tr}(A(F_n-I)(F_n-I)A^*)\ =|(F_n-I)A^*|_{HS}^2
$$
(as $A$ is HS if and only if $A^*$ is, the above works).
Now
$$
|F_nAF_n-A|_{HS}^2=|F_nAF_n-F_nA-(I-F_n)A|_{HS}^2=|F_nA(F_n-I)+(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2\ leq2|F_nA(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2+2|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2leq2k^2|A(F_n-I)|_{HS}^2+2|(F_n-I)A|_{HS}^2to0.
$$
edited Dec 17 '18 at 19:08
answered Apr 26 '13 at 2:52
Martin ArgeramiMartin Argerami
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Nicely done, +1. Just a remark: if the sequence $F_n$ converges strongly ie pointwise, the uniform boundedness principle says that it is bounded in $B(H)$ for the operator norm.
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– Julien
Apr 26 '13 at 3:19
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Good point! I was too lazy to think about that. I'll edit accordingly.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 26 '13 at 4:33
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Thanks very much! In fact, on further inspection, it's unnecessary that $F_n$ be of finite rank; the dominated convergence takes care of the first sum even if it's infinite. Also, the argument can show $F_n A F_n^* to A$ without needing self-adjointness. Indeed, we can show the more general statement: if $S_n to S$ and $T_n to T$ strongly, then $S_n A T_n^* to S A T^*$ in HS norm.
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– Nate Eldredge
Apr 27 '13 at 13:08
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Good points, Nate. If you want me, I'll edit for the answer to say this, but I'll leave the decision to you.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 27 '13 at 23:45
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Nicely done, +1. Just a remark: if the sequence $F_n$ converges strongly ie pointwise, the uniform boundedness principle says that it is bounded in $B(H)$ for the operator norm.
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– Julien
Apr 26 '13 at 3:19
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Good point! I was too lazy to think about that. I'll edit accordingly.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 26 '13 at 4:33
1
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Thanks very much! In fact, on further inspection, it's unnecessary that $F_n$ be of finite rank; the dominated convergence takes care of the first sum even if it's infinite. Also, the argument can show $F_n A F_n^* to A$ without needing self-adjointness. Indeed, we can show the more general statement: if $S_n to S$ and $T_n to T$ strongly, then $S_n A T_n^* to S A T^*$ in HS norm.
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– Nate Eldredge
Apr 27 '13 at 13:08
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Good points, Nate. If you want me, I'll edit for the answer to say this, but I'll leave the decision to you.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 27 '13 at 23:45
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Nicely done, +1. Just a remark: if the sequence $F_n$ converges strongly ie pointwise, the uniform boundedness principle says that it is bounded in $B(H)$ for the operator norm.
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– Julien
Apr 26 '13 at 3:19
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Nicely done, +1. Just a remark: if the sequence $F_n$ converges strongly ie pointwise, the uniform boundedness principle says that it is bounded in $B(H)$ for the operator norm.
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– Julien
Apr 26 '13 at 3:19
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Good point! I was too lazy to think about that. I'll edit accordingly.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 26 '13 at 4:33
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Good point! I was too lazy to think about that. I'll edit accordingly.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 26 '13 at 4:33
1
1
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Thanks very much! In fact, on further inspection, it's unnecessary that $F_n$ be of finite rank; the dominated convergence takes care of the first sum even if it's infinite. Also, the argument can show $F_n A F_n^* to A$ without needing self-adjointness. Indeed, we can show the more general statement: if $S_n to S$ and $T_n to T$ strongly, then $S_n A T_n^* to S A T^*$ in HS norm.
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– Nate Eldredge
Apr 27 '13 at 13:08
$begingroup$
Thanks very much! In fact, on further inspection, it's unnecessary that $F_n$ be of finite rank; the dominated convergence takes care of the first sum even if it's infinite. Also, the argument can show $F_n A F_n^* to A$ without needing self-adjointness. Indeed, we can show the more general statement: if $S_n to S$ and $T_n to T$ strongly, then $S_n A T_n^* to S A T^*$ in HS norm.
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– Nate Eldredge
Apr 27 '13 at 13:08
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Good points, Nate. If you want me, I'll edit for the answer to say this, but I'll leave the decision to you.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 27 '13 at 23:45
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Good points, Nate. If you want me, I'll edit for the answer to say this, but I'll leave the decision to you.
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– Martin Argerami
Apr 27 '13 at 23:45
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I guess the same argument works for the more general case, where $Q_n$ are operators of finite rank, and $Q_nto I$ strongly. Then $Q_nAQ_n^*to A$ in HS-norm. Let $U_n:=bigcup_{i=1}^n{rm Ran}(Q_i)$, and keep on extending an orthonormal base for these. As I see, you didn't really use $P_ne_i=e_i$...
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– Berci
Apr 26 '13 at 0:22
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@Berci: I did use it: in the first display, it's used to replace $(P_n A P_n - A) e_i$ by $(P_n - I)A e_i$. Without this, I don't see how to control this term, as we do not know so much about $sum_i |A P_n e_i|$.
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– Nate Eldredge
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