Meaning of a transformation with respect to 1 or 2 bases?











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So let's say I have:
$$A =begin{bmatrix}
1 & 2 & 1\
-1 & 1 & 0
end{bmatrix}$$



$A$ represents a transformation $L: R^3 rightarrow R^2$ with respect to bases $S$ and $T$ where:



$$S = begin{bmatrix} -1\1\0end{bmatrix},
begin{bmatrix} 0\1\1end{bmatrix},
begin{bmatrix} 1\0\0end{bmatrix}\
T = begin{bmatrix} 1\2end{bmatrix},
begin{bmatrix} 1\-1end{bmatrix}$$



So I take that to mean that $A$ has the form:



$$A =begin{bmatrix}
L[(S_1)]_T & [L(S_2)]_T & [L(S_3)]_T\
end{bmatrix}$$



So each column is the transformation applied to vector from S then with respect to T basis. Now my question is:, what does $A$ actually do? I know it applies a transformation to some vector through multiplication but what vectors does it accept as "proper" input? Should the vector it multiplies with be in a certain basis?



And what if I said to compute a matrix $A$ that represents L with respect to S (and only S)? Would the columns be:
$$A =begin{bmatrix}
L(S_1) & L(S_2) & L(S_3)\
end{bmatrix}$$



And what vectors would you feed that transformation then?



For example: If I just said compute $$L(begin{bmatrix} 2\1\-1end{bmatrix})$$ then what would you do? I don't think I can just multiply the vector by one of the matrices without changing basis first but is there a way to know which basis I need and which matrix to use?



Edit: Here is a link to the problem: https://gyazo.com/ae66b2896d1249026f1bc8757a0c88dc










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    So let's say I have:
    $$A =begin{bmatrix}
    1 & 2 & 1\
    -1 & 1 & 0
    end{bmatrix}$$



    $A$ represents a transformation $L: R^3 rightarrow R^2$ with respect to bases $S$ and $T$ where:



    $$S = begin{bmatrix} -1\1\0end{bmatrix},
    begin{bmatrix} 0\1\1end{bmatrix},
    begin{bmatrix} 1\0\0end{bmatrix}\
    T = begin{bmatrix} 1\2end{bmatrix},
    begin{bmatrix} 1\-1end{bmatrix}$$



    So I take that to mean that $A$ has the form:



    $$A =begin{bmatrix}
    L[(S_1)]_T & [L(S_2)]_T & [L(S_3)]_T\
    end{bmatrix}$$



    So each column is the transformation applied to vector from S then with respect to T basis. Now my question is:, what does $A$ actually do? I know it applies a transformation to some vector through multiplication but what vectors does it accept as "proper" input? Should the vector it multiplies with be in a certain basis?



    And what if I said to compute a matrix $A$ that represents L with respect to S (and only S)? Would the columns be:
    $$A =begin{bmatrix}
    L(S_1) & L(S_2) & L(S_3)\
    end{bmatrix}$$



    And what vectors would you feed that transformation then?



    For example: If I just said compute $$L(begin{bmatrix} 2\1\-1end{bmatrix})$$ then what would you do? I don't think I can just multiply the vector by one of the matrices without changing basis first but is there a way to know which basis I need and which matrix to use?



    Edit: Here is a link to the problem: https://gyazo.com/ae66b2896d1249026f1bc8757a0c88dc










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      So let's say I have:
      $$A =begin{bmatrix}
      1 & 2 & 1\
      -1 & 1 & 0
      end{bmatrix}$$



      $A$ represents a transformation $L: R^3 rightarrow R^2$ with respect to bases $S$ and $T$ where:



      $$S = begin{bmatrix} -1\1\0end{bmatrix},
      begin{bmatrix} 0\1\1end{bmatrix},
      begin{bmatrix} 1\0\0end{bmatrix}\
      T = begin{bmatrix} 1\2end{bmatrix},
      begin{bmatrix} 1\-1end{bmatrix}$$



      So I take that to mean that $A$ has the form:



      $$A =begin{bmatrix}
      L[(S_1)]_T & [L(S_2)]_T & [L(S_3)]_T\
      end{bmatrix}$$



      So each column is the transformation applied to vector from S then with respect to T basis. Now my question is:, what does $A$ actually do? I know it applies a transformation to some vector through multiplication but what vectors does it accept as "proper" input? Should the vector it multiplies with be in a certain basis?



      And what if I said to compute a matrix $A$ that represents L with respect to S (and only S)? Would the columns be:
      $$A =begin{bmatrix}
      L(S_1) & L(S_2) & L(S_3)\
      end{bmatrix}$$



      And what vectors would you feed that transformation then?



      For example: If I just said compute $$L(begin{bmatrix} 2\1\-1end{bmatrix})$$ then what would you do? I don't think I can just multiply the vector by one of the matrices without changing basis first but is there a way to know which basis I need and which matrix to use?



      Edit: Here is a link to the problem: https://gyazo.com/ae66b2896d1249026f1bc8757a0c88dc










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      So let's say I have:
      $$A =begin{bmatrix}
      1 & 2 & 1\
      -1 & 1 & 0
      end{bmatrix}$$



      $A$ represents a transformation $L: R^3 rightarrow R^2$ with respect to bases $S$ and $T$ where:



      $$S = begin{bmatrix} -1\1\0end{bmatrix},
      begin{bmatrix} 0\1\1end{bmatrix},
      begin{bmatrix} 1\0\0end{bmatrix}\
      T = begin{bmatrix} 1\2end{bmatrix},
      begin{bmatrix} 1\-1end{bmatrix}$$



      So I take that to mean that $A$ has the form:



      $$A =begin{bmatrix}
      L[(S_1)]_T & [L(S_2)]_T & [L(S_3)]_T\
      end{bmatrix}$$



      So each column is the transformation applied to vector from S then with respect to T basis. Now my question is:, what does $A$ actually do? I know it applies a transformation to some vector through multiplication but what vectors does it accept as "proper" input? Should the vector it multiplies with be in a certain basis?



      And what if I said to compute a matrix $A$ that represents L with respect to S (and only S)? Would the columns be:
      $$A =begin{bmatrix}
      L(S_1) & L(S_2) & L(S_3)\
      end{bmatrix}$$



      And what vectors would you feed that transformation then?



      For example: If I just said compute $$L(begin{bmatrix} 2\1\-1end{bmatrix})$$ then what would you do? I don't think I can just multiply the vector by one of the matrices without changing basis first but is there a way to know which basis I need and which matrix to use?



      Edit: Here is a link to the problem: https://gyazo.com/ae66b2896d1249026f1bc8757a0c88dc







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          From the description you have provided, the matrix $A$ is intended to represent a linear mapping $L$ from $mathbb{R}^3$ to $mathbb{R}^2$ that takes as input a vector of co-ordinates relative to basis $S$ in $mathbb{R}^3$ and outputs a vector of co-ordinates relative to basis $T$ in $mathbb{R}^2$. There is nothing about the properties of the matrix $A$ itself that tells you this - it is only the surrounding description that tells you this is how the matrix $A$ is meant to be interpreted.



          I am not sure what you mean when you say "a matrix $A$ that represents $L$ with respect to S (and only S)". You have to specify what basis the output vector will be relative to. If this basis $T'$ is different from $T$ then the matrix representing $L$ with respect to $S$ and $T'$ will still be a $2 times 3$ matrix but it will have different values from $A$. Specifially, if the transformation from basis $T$ to basis $T'$ is represented by the $2 times 2$ matrix $B$, and if the matrix representing $L$ relative to $S$ and $T'$ is $A'$ then



          $A' = BA$






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          • Perhaps it would be a bit clearer if I linked the problem: gyazo.com/ae66b2896d1249026f1bc8757a0c88dc In my book, it has been asking me to write matrices for transformations. In the book it usually has 2 bases for each problem and says: "write the matrix in terms of basis 1, basis 2, and basis 1 and 2"
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          From the description you have provided, the matrix $A$ is intended to represent a linear mapping $L$ from $mathbb{R}^3$ to $mathbb{R}^2$ that takes as input a vector of co-ordinates relative to basis $S$ in $mathbb{R}^3$ and outputs a vector of co-ordinates relative to basis $T$ in $mathbb{R}^2$. There is nothing about the properties of the matrix $A$ itself that tells you this - it is only the surrounding description that tells you this is how the matrix $A$ is meant to be interpreted.



          I am not sure what you mean when you say "a matrix $A$ that represents $L$ with respect to S (and only S)". You have to specify what basis the output vector will be relative to. If this basis $T'$ is different from $T$ then the matrix representing $L$ with respect to $S$ and $T'$ will still be a $2 times 3$ matrix but it will have different values from $A$. Specifially, if the transformation from basis $T$ to basis $T'$ is represented by the $2 times 2$ matrix $B$, and if the matrix representing $L$ relative to $S$ and $T'$ is $A'$ then



          $A' = BA$






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          • Perhaps it would be a bit clearer if I linked the problem: gyazo.com/ae66b2896d1249026f1bc8757a0c88dc In my book, it has been asking me to write matrices for transformations. In the book it usually has 2 bases for each problem and says: "write the matrix in terms of basis 1, basis 2, and basis 1 and 2"
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          From the description you have provided, the matrix $A$ is intended to represent a linear mapping $L$ from $mathbb{R}^3$ to $mathbb{R}^2$ that takes as input a vector of co-ordinates relative to basis $S$ in $mathbb{R}^3$ and outputs a vector of co-ordinates relative to basis $T$ in $mathbb{R}^2$. There is nothing about the properties of the matrix $A$ itself that tells you this - it is only the surrounding description that tells you this is how the matrix $A$ is meant to be interpreted.



          I am not sure what you mean when you say "a matrix $A$ that represents $L$ with respect to S (and only S)". You have to specify what basis the output vector will be relative to. If this basis $T'$ is different from $T$ then the matrix representing $L$ with respect to $S$ and $T'$ will still be a $2 times 3$ matrix but it will have different values from $A$. Specifially, if the transformation from basis $T$ to basis $T'$ is represented by the $2 times 2$ matrix $B$, and if the matrix representing $L$ relative to $S$ and $T'$ is $A'$ then



          $A' = BA$






          share|cite|improve this answer





















          • Perhaps it would be a bit clearer if I linked the problem: gyazo.com/ae66b2896d1249026f1bc8757a0c88dc In my book, it has been asking me to write matrices for transformations. In the book it usually has 2 bases for each problem and says: "write the matrix in terms of basis 1, basis 2, and basis 1 and 2"
            – dj1121
            Nov 14 at 17:37















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          From the description you have provided, the matrix $A$ is intended to represent a linear mapping $L$ from $mathbb{R}^3$ to $mathbb{R}^2$ that takes as input a vector of co-ordinates relative to basis $S$ in $mathbb{R}^3$ and outputs a vector of co-ordinates relative to basis $T$ in $mathbb{R}^2$. There is nothing about the properties of the matrix $A$ itself that tells you this - it is only the surrounding description that tells you this is how the matrix $A$ is meant to be interpreted.



          I am not sure what you mean when you say "a matrix $A$ that represents $L$ with respect to S (and only S)". You have to specify what basis the output vector will be relative to. If this basis $T'$ is different from $T$ then the matrix representing $L$ with respect to $S$ and $T'$ will still be a $2 times 3$ matrix but it will have different values from $A$. Specifially, if the transformation from basis $T$ to basis $T'$ is represented by the $2 times 2$ matrix $B$, and if the matrix representing $L$ relative to $S$ and $T'$ is $A'$ then



          $A' = BA$






          share|cite|improve this answer












          From the description you have provided, the matrix $A$ is intended to represent a linear mapping $L$ from $mathbb{R}^3$ to $mathbb{R}^2$ that takes as input a vector of co-ordinates relative to basis $S$ in $mathbb{R}^3$ and outputs a vector of co-ordinates relative to basis $T$ in $mathbb{R}^2$. There is nothing about the properties of the matrix $A$ itself that tells you this - it is only the surrounding description that tells you this is how the matrix $A$ is meant to be interpreted.



          I am not sure what you mean when you say "a matrix $A$ that represents $L$ with respect to S (and only S)". You have to specify what basis the output vector will be relative to. If this basis $T'$ is different from $T$ then the matrix representing $L$ with respect to $S$ and $T'$ will still be a $2 times 3$ matrix but it will have different values from $A$. Specifially, if the transformation from basis $T$ to basis $T'$ is represented by the $2 times 2$ matrix $B$, and if the matrix representing $L$ relative to $S$ and $T'$ is $A'$ then



          $A' = BA$







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          • Perhaps it would be a bit clearer if I linked the problem: gyazo.com/ae66b2896d1249026f1bc8757a0c88dc In my book, it has been asking me to write matrices for transformations. In the book it usually has 2 bases for each problem and says: "write the matrix in terms of basis 1, basis 2, and basis 1 and 2"
            – dj1121
            Nov 14 at 17:37




















          • Perhaps it would be a bit clearer if I linked the problem: gyazo.com/ae66b2896d1249026f1bc8757a0c88dc In my book, it has been asking me to write matrices for transformations. In the book it usually has 2 bases for each problem and says: "write the matrix in terms of basis 1, basis 2, and basis 1 and 2"
            – dj1121
            Nov 14 at 17:37


















          Perhaps it would be a bit clearer if I linked the problem: gyazo.com/ae66b2896d1249026f1bc8757a0c88dc In my book, it has been asking me to write matrices for transformations. In the book it usually has 2 bases for each problem and says: "write the matrix in terms of basis 1, basis 2, and basis 1 and 2"
          – dj1121
          Nov 14 at 17:37






          Perhaps it would be a bit clearer if I linked the problem: gyazo.com/ae66b2896d1249026f1bc8757a0c88dc In my book, it has been asking me to write matrices for transformations. In the book it usually has 2 bases for each problem and says: "write the matrix in terms of basis 1, basis 2, and basis 1 and 2"
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