Modular Arithmetic: solving a quadratic equation with a variable in the modulus
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I am not an expert on modulus arithmetic and I am computer scientist looking to see if there is a better way to solve an equation in the form of
$$(x^2 + 43) mod (44-2x)=0$$
I am currently doing a linear search, I have other equations I am trying to solve other equations that are similar, but the search is becoming inefficient for large values. Any help would be appreciated.
The solutions to this equations are
$$x = -9,5,21,23$$
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I am not an expert on modulus arithmetic and I am computer scientist looking to see if there is a better way to solve an equation in the form of
$$(x^2 + 43) mod (44-2x)=0$$
I am currently doing a linear search, I have other equations I am trying to solve other equations that are similar, but the search is becoming inefficient for large values. Any help would be appreciated.
The solutions to this equations are
$$x = -9,5,21,23$$
elementary-number-theory modular-arithmetic
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Have you found any $x$ satisfying this so far?
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– ÍgjøgnumMeg
Dec 29 '18 at 3:14
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As a start, note that if $x$ is even, then $x^2+43$ is always odd and $44-2x$ is always even, and there is no multiple of an even number that results in an odd number, i.e. leaving a residue of $0$.
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– Keith Backman
Dec 29 '18 at 3:15
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I am not an expert on modulus arithmetic and I am computer scientist looking to see if there is a better way to solve an equation in the form of
$$(x^2 + 43) mod (44-2x)=0$$
I am currently doing a linear search, I have other equations I am trying to solve other equations that are similar, but the search is becoming inefficient for large values. Any help would be appreciated.
The solutions to this equations are
$$x = -9,5,21,23$$
elementary-number-theory modular-arithmetic
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I am not an expert on modulus arithmetic and I am computer scientist looking to see if there is a better way to solve an equation in the form of
$$(x^2 + 43) mod (44-2x)=0$$
I am currently doing a linear search, I have other equations I am trying to solve other equations that are similar, but the search is becoming inefficient for large values. Any help would be appreciated.
The solutions to this equations are
$$x = -9,5,21,23$$
elementary-number-theory modular-arithmetic
elementary-number-theory modular-arithmetic
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Have you found any $x$ satisfying this so far?
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– ÍgjøgnumMeg
Dec 29 '18 at 3:14
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As a start, note that if $x$ is even, then $x^2+43$ is always odd and $44-2x$ is always even, and there is no multiple of an even number that results in an odd number, i.e. leaving a residue of $0$.
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– Keith Backman
Dec 29 '18 at 3:15
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Have you found any $x$ satisfying this so far?
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– ÍgjøgnumMeg
Dec 29 '18 at 3:14
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As a start, note that if $x$ is even, then $x^2+43$ is always odd and $44-2x$ is always even, and there is no multiple of an even number that results in an odd number, i.e. leaving a residue of $0$.
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– Keith Backman
Dec 29 '18 at 3:15
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Have you found any $x$ satisfying this so far?
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– ÍgjøgnumMeg
Dec 29 '18 at 3:14
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Have you found any $x$ satisfying this so far?
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– ÍgjøgnumMeg
Dec 29 '18 at 3:14
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As a start, note that if $x$ is even, then $x^2+43$ is always odd and $44-2x$ is always even, and there is no multiple of an even number that results in an odd number, i.e. leaving a residue of $0$.
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– Keith Backman
Dec 29 '18 at 3:15
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As a start, note that if $x$ is even, then $x^2+43$ is always odd and $44-2x$ is always even, and there is no multiple of an even number that results in an odd number, i.e. leaving a residue of $0$.
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– Keith Backman
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I assume that you're looking to solve the equation over the integers.
First notice that when $x$ is even, then $x^2+43$ is odd, but the modulus is even. (The modulus is always even.) Therefore in order for $x$ to be a solution, $x$ must be odd. Let $x=2k+1$ then, for some integer $k$. Let's see if that simplifies things.
We now have
$$4k^2+4k+44 equiv 0 pmod{2(2k-21)}.$$
Cancelling a $2$ from the equation and the modulus at the same time, we now have
$$2k^2+2k+22 equiv 0 pmod{2k-21},$$
which is much nicer.
The reason it's much nicer is that $2k-21$ has leading coefficient 2, which divides the leading coefficient of $2k^2+2k+22$. Thus, we can subtract the equation $(2k-21)k=2k^2-21kequiv 0$ to get
$$23k + 22 equiv 0 pmod{2k-21},$$
and now we can subtract $11(2k-21)= 22k-231equiv 0$
to get the equation
$$k+253equiv 0 pmod{2k-21}.$$
Now we rewrite this. We want to find for which $k$ there exist $q$ such that $k+253 = q(2k-21)$.
Rearranging, we have $(2q-1)k = 253+21q$
Thus, $k$ is a solution if and only if $k$ can be written as $frac{21q+253}{2q-1}=10+frac{q+263}{2q-1}$.
Thus we have reduced the question to figuring out when $frac{q+263}{2q-1}$ is an integer.
This is kind of a pain, so let's solve the much easier question of when it is an integer or a half integer, which we can solve by noting that in that case,
$$frac{2(q+263)}{2q-1}=frac{2q+526}{2q-1}=1+frac{527}{2q-1}$$ will be an integer. Thus $2q-1$ will be a factor of $527$.
Note that $527$ is odd, so that $527/(2q-1)$ will always be odd, so that the resulting integer will always be even. This means that no value of $q$ gave a half integer solution, so every possible value of $q$ gives a value of $x$.
The factors of 527 are $pm 1$,$pm 17$,$pm 31$, and $pm 527$,
corresponding to values for $q$ of $1,0,9,-8,16,-15$, $264$, and $-263$.
These give values of $k$ of $11,10,19,2,26,-5,274$, and $-253$.
Thus we get solutions for $x$ of $23,21,39,5,53,-9,549$, and $-505$.
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Could explain where you get the form for the k solutions as $21q+2532/q−1=10+q+2632/q−1$
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:07
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@RyanTopps, to get the first thing, I took the equation on the line above and divided by $2q-1$, then I simplified by doing polynomial long division of the numerator by the denominator. Try finding a common denominator on the right hand side to check that the lhs and rhs are equal.
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– jgon
Dec 29 '18 at 4:10
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I appreciate the effort. Unfortunately getting prime factors will be even harder than a search at large values, but your replacements showed me how to scan more effectively so thank you.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:21
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@Ryan Prime factorization is required to solve such problems, but we can do the rest more quickly - see my answer.
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– Bill Dubuque
Dec 29 '18 at 5:28
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Hint $, x!-!22mid x^2!+!43-(x!-!22)(x!+!22) = 527= 17cdot 31,$ so $,x, =, 22pm{1,17,31,527}$
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For $x=21$, $44-2x=2$ and the residue of any even number is $0mod 2$.
$21^2+43$ is even.
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Yes I am was more concerned with finding the x values of -9,5,21,23
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:26
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The value $23$ results in a negative modulus $(-2)$ which is a highly unusual usage.
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– Keith Backman
Dec 29 '18 at 3:38
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Note that if
$$x^2 + 43 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{1}label{eq1}$$
then multiplying by $-2$ gives
$$-2x^2 - 86 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{2}label{eq2}$$
Also, dividing $44 - 2x$ into $-2x^2 - 86$ gives
$$-2x^2 - 86 = left(x + 22right) left(44 - 2xright) - 1054 tag{3}label{eq3}$$
Thus, your original equation can be simplified to just look for cases where
$$-1054 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{4}label{eq4}$$
As such, you only need to check cases where $44 - 2x$ is a factor of $1054 = 2 * 31 * 17$, in particular, $pm 1, pm 2, pm 31, pm 17, pm 62, pm 34, pm 527, pm 1054$. For each value $n$ among these factors, you can then solve for $x$ by using $x = 22 - frac{n}{2}$. As such, for integral values of $x$, the factor must be even, giving the results of $x = 21, 23, -9, 53, 5, 39, -505, 549$.
Also, if you wish to avoid using negative modulus values, then you need to have $44 - 2x gt 0$, so $x lt 22$, giving the results of just $x = -505, -9, 5, 21$.
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What you showed me with this that all answers comes in pairs where their sum is 44, which is a quite interesting approach.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:45
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@RyanTopps In general, I am showing here that if you have a quadratic equation of a square term and a constant on the left, and a linear equation as the modulus, you can simplify it to just a constant, as I have shown here. I could have done it for a more general case, but I thought it would be simpler, and possibly more useful, to show the specific case you asked for. I hope you can see how this technique works so you can apply it in any other similar situations.
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– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:49
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I appreciate it, its just to find prime factors is not an easy solution in programming. I am merely looking a way for me to "cheat" so to say so I do not have to scan from 0 to 44. Basically calculating the modulus is one of the fastest operations.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:56
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@RyanTopps Note that your solution doesn't include the answer of $-505$. If you plug it into your original equation, the the modulus becomes $1054$, with the left side becomes $255068 = 242 times 1054$.
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– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:57
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I assume that you're looking to solve the equation over the integers.
First notice that when $x$ is even, then $x^2+43$ is odd, but the modulus is even. (The modulus is always even.) Therefore in order for $x$ to be a solution, $x$ must be odd. Let $x=2k+1$ then, for some integer $k$. Let's see if that simplifies things.
We now have
$$4k^2+4k+44 equiv 0 pmod{2(2k-21)}.$$
Cancelling a $2$ from the equation and the modulus at the same time, we now have
$$2k^2+2k+22 equiv 0 pmod{2k-21},$$
which is much nicer.
The reason it's much nicer is that $2k-21$ has leading coefficient 2, which divides the leading coefficient of $2k^2+2k+22$. Thus, we can subtract the equation $(2k-21)k=2k^2-21kequiv 0$ to get
$$23k + 22 equiv 0 pmod{2k-21},$$
and now we can subtract $11(2k-21)= 22k-231equiv 0$
to get the equation
$$k+253equiv 0 pmod{2k-21}.$$
Now we rewrite this. We want to find for which $k$ there exist $q$ such that $k+253 = q(2k-21)$.
Rearranging, we have $(2q-1)k = 253+21q$
Thus, $k$ is a solution if and only if $k$ can be written as $frac{21q+253}{2q-1}=10+frac{q+263}{2q-1}$.
Thus we have reduced the question to figuring out when $frac{q+263}{2q-1}$ is an integer.
This is kind of a pain, so let's solve the much easier question of when it is an integer or a half integer, which we can solve by noting that in that case,
$$frac{2(q+263)}{2q-1}=frac{2q+526}{2q-1}=1+frac{527}{2q-1}$$ will be an integer. Thus $2q-1$ will be a factor of $527$.
Note that $527$ is odd, so that $527/(2q-1)$ will always be odd, so that the resulting integer will always be even. This means that no value of $q$ gave a half integer solution, so every possible value of $q$ gives a value of $x$.
The factors of 527 are $pm 1$,$pm 17$,$pm 31$, and $pm 527$,
corresponding to values for $q$ of $1,0,9,-8,16,-15$, $264$, and $-263$.
These give values of $k$ of $11,10,19,2,26,-5,274$, and $-253$.
Thus we get solutions for $x$ of $23,21,39,5,53,-9,549$, and $-505$.
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Could explain where you get the form for the k solutions as $21q+2532/q−1=10+q+2632/q−1$
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:07
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@RyanTopps, to get the first thing, I took the equation on the line above and divided by $2q-1$, then I simplified by doing polynomial long division of the numerator by the denominator. Try finding a common denominator on the right hand side to check that the lhs and rhs are equal.
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– jgon
Dec 29 '18 at 4:10
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I appreciate the effort. Unfortunately getting prime factors will be even harder than a search at large values, but your replacements showed me how to scan more effectively so thank you.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:21
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@Ryan Prime factorization is required to solve such problems, but we can do the rest more quickly - see my answer.
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– Bill Dubuque
Dec 29 '18 at 5:28
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I assume that you're looking to solve the equation over the integers.
First notice that when $x$ is even, then $x^2+43$ is odd, but the modulus is even. (The modulus is always even.) Therefore in order for $x$ to be a solution, $x$ must be odd. Let $x=2k+1$ then, for some integer $k$. Let's see if that simplifies things.
We now have
$$4k^2+4k+44 equiv 0 pmod{2(2k-21)}.$$
Cancelling a $2$ from the equation and the modulus at the same time, we now have
$$2k^2+2k+22 equiv 0 pmod{2k-21},$$
which is much nicer.
The reason it's much nicer is that $2k-21$ has leading coefficient 2, which divides the leading coefficient of $2k^2+2k+22$. Thus, we can subtract the equation $(2k-21)k=2k^2-21kequiv 0$ to get
$$23k + 22 equiv 0 pmod{2k-21},$$
and now we can subtract $11(2k-21)= 22k-231equiv 0$
to get the equation
$$k+253equiv 0 pmod{2k-21}.$$
Now we rewrite this. We want to find for which $k$ there exist $q$ such that $k+253 = q(2k-21)$.
Rearranging, we have $(2q-1)k = 253+21q$
Thus, $k$ is a solution if and only if $k$ can be written as $frac{21q+253}{2q-1}=10+frac{q+263}{2q-1}$.
Thus we have reduced the question to figuring out when $frac{q+263}{2q-1}$ is an integer.
This is kind of a pain, so let's solve the much easier question of when it is an integer or a half integer, which we can solve by noting that in that case,
$$frac{2(q+263)}{2q-1}=frac{2q+526}{2q-1}=1+frac{527}{2q-1}$$ will be an integer. Thus $2q-1$ will be a factor of $527$.
Note that $527$ is odd, so that $527/(2q-1)$ will always be odd, so that the resulting integer will always be even. This means that no value of $q$ gave a half integer solution, so every possible value of $q$ gives a value of $x$.
The factors of 527 are $pm 1$,$pm 17$,$pm 31$, and $pm 527$,
corresponding to values for $q$ of $1,0,9,-8,16,-15$, $264$, and $-263$.
These give values of $k$ of $11,10,19,2,26,-5,274$, and $-253$.
Thus we get solutions for $x$ of $23,21,39,5,53,-9,549$, and $-505$.
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Could explain where you get the form for the k solutions as $21q+2532/q−1=10+q+2632/q−1$
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:07
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@RyanTopps, to get the first thing, I took the equation on the line above and divided by $2q-1$, then I simplified by doing polynomial long division of the numerator by the denominator. Try finding a common denominator on the right hand side to check that the lhs and rhs are equal.
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– jgon
Dec 29 '18 at 4:10
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I appreciate the effort. Unfortunately getting prime factors will be even harder than a search at large values, but your replacements showed me how to scan more effectively so thank you.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:21
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@Ryan Prime factorization is required to solve such problems, but we can do the rest more quickly - see my answer.
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– Bill Dubuque
Dec 29 '18 at 5:28
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I assume that you're looking to solve the equation over the integers.
First notice that when $x$ is even, then $x^2+43$ is odd, but the modulus is even. (The modulus is always even.) Therefore in order for $x$ to be a solution, $x$ must be odd. Let $x=2k+1$ then, for some integer $k$. Let's see if that simplifies things.
We now have
$$4k^2+4k+44 equiv 0 pmod{2(2k-21)}.$$
Cancelling a $2$ from the equation and the modulus at the same time, we now have
$$2k^2+2k+22 equiv 0 pmod{2k-21},$$
which is much nicer.
The reason it's much nicer is that $2k-21$ has leading coefficient 2, which divides the leading coefficient of $2k^2+2k+22$. Thus, we can subtract the equation $(2k-21)k=2k^2-21kequiv 0$ to get
$$23k + 22 equiv 0 pmod{2k-21},$$
and now we can subtract $11(2k-21)= 22k-231equiv 0$
to get the equation
$$k+253equiv 0 pmod{2k-21}.$$
Now we rewrite this. We want to find for which $k$ there exist $q$ such that $k+253 = q(2k-21)$.
Rearranging, we have $(2q-1)k = 253+21q$
Thus, $k$ is a solution if and only if $k$ can be written as $frac{21q+253}{2q-1}=10+frac{q+263}{2q-1}$.
Thus we have reduced the question to figuring out when $frac{q+263}{2q-1}$ is an integer.
This is kind of a pain, so let's solve the much easier question of when it is an integer or a half integer, which we can solve by noting that in that case,
$$frac{2(q+263)}{2q-1}=frac{2q+526}{2q-1}=1+frac{527}{2q-1}$$ will be an integer. Thus $2q-1$ will be a factor of $527$.
Note that $527$ is odd, so that $527/(2q-1)$ will always be odd, so that the resulting integer will always be even. This means that no value of $q$ gave a half integer solution, so every possible value of $q$ gives a value of $x$.
The factors of 527 are $pm 1$,$pm 17$,$pm 31$, and $pm 527$,
corresponding to values for $q$ of $1,0,9,-8,16,-15$, $264$, and $-263$.
These give values of $k$ of $11,10,19,2,26,-5,274$, and $-253$.
Thus we get solutions for $x$ of $23,21,39,5,53,-9,549$, and $-505$.
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I assume that you're looking to solve the equation over the integers.
First notice that when $x$ is even, then $x^2+43$ is odd, but the modulus is even. (The modulus is always even.) Therefore in order for $x$ to be a solution, $x$ must be odd. Let $x=2k+1$ then, for some integer $k$. Let's see if that simplifies things.
We now have
$$4k^2+4k+44 equiv 0 pmod{2(2k-21)}.$$
Cancelling a $2$ from the equation and the modulus at the same time, we now have
$$2k^2+2k+22 equiv 0 pmod{2k-21},$$
which is much nicer.
The reason it's much nicer is that $2k-21$ has leading coefficient 2, which divides the leading coefficient of $2k^2+2k+22$. Thus, we can subtract the equation $(2k-21)k=2k^2-21kequiv 0$ to get
$$23k + 22 equiv 0 pmod{2k-21},$$
and now we can subtract $11(2k-21)= 22k-231equiv 0$
to get the equation
$$k+253equiv 0 pmod{2k-21}.$$
Now we rewrite this. We want to find for which $k$ there exist $q$ such that $k+253 = q(2k-21)$.
Rearranging, we have $(2q-1)k = 253+21q$
Thus, $k$ is a solution if and only if $k$ can be written as $frac{21q+253}{2q-1}=10+frac{q+263}{2q-1}$.
Thus we have reduced the question to figuring out when $frac{q+263}{2q-1}$ is an integer.
This is kind of a pain, so let's solve the much easier question of when it is an integer or a half integer, which we can solve by noting that in that case,
$$frac{2(q+263)}{2q-1}=frac{2q+526}{2q-1}=1+frac{527}{2q-1}$$ will be an integer. Thus $2q-1$ will be a factor of $527$.
Note that $527$ is odd, so that $527/(2q-1)$ will always be odd, so that the resulting integer will always be even. This means that no value of $q$ gave a half integer solution, so every possible value of $q$ gives a value of $x$.
The factors of 527 are $pm 1$,$pm 17$,$pm 31$, and $pm 527$,
corresponding to values for $q$ of $1,0,9,-8,16,-15$, $264$, and $-263$.
These give values of $k$ of $11,10,19,2,26,-5,274$, and $-253$.
Thus we get solutions for $x$ of $23,21,39,5,53,-9,549$, and $-505$.
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Could explain where you get the form for the k solutions as $21q+2532/q−1=10+q+2632/q−1$
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:07
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@RyanTopps, to get the first thing, I took the equation on the line above and divided by $2q-1$, then I simplified by doing polynomial long division of the numerator by the denominator. Try finding a common denominator on the right hand side to check that the lhs and rhs are equal.
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– jgon
Dec 29 '18 at 4:10
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I appreciate the effort. Unfortunately getting prime factors will be even harder than a search at large values, but your replacements showed me how to scan more effectively so thank you.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:21
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@Ryan Prime factorization is required to solve such problems, but we can do the rest more quickly - see my answer.
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– Bill Dubuque
Dec 29 '18 at 5:28
add a comment |
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Could explain where you get the form for the k solutions as $21q+2532/q−1=10+q+2632/q−1$
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:07
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@RyanTopps, to get the first thing, I took the equation on the line above and divided by $2q-1$, then I simplified by doing polynomial long division of the numerator by the denominator. Try finding a common denominator on the right hand side to check that the lhs and rhs are equal.
$endgroup$
– jgon
Dec 29 '18 at 4:10
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I appreciate the effort. Unfortunately getting prime factors will be even harder than a search at large values, but your replacements showed me how to scan more effectively so thank you.
$endgroup$
– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:21
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@Ryan Prime factorization is required to solve such problems, but we can do the rest more quickly - see my answer.
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– Bill Dubuque
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Could explain where you get the form for the k solutions as $21q+2532/q−1=10+q+2632/q−1$
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:07
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Could explain where you get the form for the k solutions as $21q+2532/q−1=10+q+2632/q−1$
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:07
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@RyanTopps, to get the first thing, I took the equation on the line above and divided by $2q-1$, then I simplified by doing polynomial long division of the numerator by the denominator. Try finding a common denominator on the right hand side to check that the lhs and rhs are equal.
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– jgon
Dec 29 '18 at 4:10
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@RyanTopps, to get the first thing, I took the equation on the line above and divided by $2q-1$, then I simplified by doing polynomial long division of the numerator by the denominator. Try finding a common denominator on the right hand side to check that the lhs and rhs are equal.
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– jgon
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I appreciate the effort. Unfortunately getting prime factors will be even harder than a search at large values, but your replacements showed me how to scan more effectively so thank you.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:21
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I appreciate the effort. Unfortunately getting prime factors will be even harder than a search at large values, but your replacements showed me how to scan more effectively so thank you.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 4:21
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@Ryan Prime factorization is required to solve such problems, but we can do the rest more quickly - see my answer.
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– Bill Dubuque
Dec 29 '18 at 5:28
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@Ryan Prime factorization is required to solve such problems, but we can do the rest more quickly - see my answer.
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– Bill Dubuque
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Hint $, x!-!22mid x^2!+!43-(x!-!22)(x!+!22) = 527= 17cdot 31,$ so $,x, =, 22pm{1,17,31,527}$
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Hint $, x!-!22mid x^2!+!43-(x!-!22)(x!+!22) = 527= 17cdot 31,$ so $,x, =, 22pm{1,17,31,527}$
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Hint $, x!-!22mid x^2!+!43-(x!-!22)(x!+!22) = 527= 17cdot 31,$ so $,x, =, 22pm{1,17,31,527}$
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Hint $, x!-!22mid x^2!+!43-(x!-!22)(x!+!22) = 527= 17cdot 31,$ so $,x, =, 22pm{1,17,31,527}$
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answered Dec 29 '18 at 5:02
Bill DubuqueBill Dubuque
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For $x=21$, $44-2x=2$ and the residue of any even number is $0mod 2$.
$21^2+43$ is even.
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Yes I am was more concerned with finding the x values of -9,5,21,23
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:26
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The value $23$ results in a negative modulus $(-2)$ which is a highly unusual usage.
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– Keith Backman
Dec 29 '18 at 3:38
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For $x=21$, $44-2x=2$ and the residue of any even number is $0mod 2$.
$21^2+43$ is even.
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Yes I am was more concerned with finding the x values of -9,5,21,23
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:26
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The value $23$ results in a negative modulus $(-2)$ which is a highly unusual usage.
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– Keith Backman
Dec 29 '18 at 3:38
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For $x=21$, $44-2x=2$ and the residue of any even number is $0mod 2$.
$21^2+43$ is even.
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For $x=21$, $44-2x=2$ and the residue of any even number is $0mod 2$.
$21^2+43$ is even.
answered Dec 29 '18 at 3:20
Keith BackmanKeith Backman
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Yes I am was more concerned with finding the x values of -9,5,21,23
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:26
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The value $23$ results in a negative modulus $(-2)$ which is a highly unusual usage.
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– Keith Backman
Dec 29 '18 at 3:38
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Yes I am was more concerned with finding the x values of -9,5,21,23
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:26
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The value $23$ results in a negative modulus $(-2)$ which is a highly unusual usage.
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– Keith Backman
Dec 29 '18 at 3:38
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Yes I am was more concerned with finding the x values of -9,5,21,23
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:26
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Yes I am was more concerned with finding the x values of -9,5,21,23
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:26
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The value $23$ results in a negative modulus $(-2)$ which is a highly unusual usage.
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– Keith Backman
Dec 29 '18 at 3:38
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The value $23$ results in a negative modulus $(-2)$ which is a highly unusual usage.
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– Keith Backman
Dec 29 '18 at 3:38
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Note that if
$$x^2 + 43 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{1}label{eq1}$$
then multiplying by $-2$ gives
$$-2x^2 - 86 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{2}label{eq2}$$
Also, dividing $44 - 2x$ into $-2x^2 - 86$ gives
$$-2x^2 - 86 = left(x + 22right) left(44 - 2xright) - 1054 tag{3}label{eq3}$$
Thus, your original equation can be simplified to just look for cases where
$$-1054 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{4}label{eq4}$$
As such, you only need to check cases where $44 - 2x$ is a factor of $1054 = 2 * 31 * 17$, in particular, $pm 1, pm 2, pm 31, pm 17, pm 62, pm 34, pm 527, pm 1054$. For each value $n$ among these factors, you can then solve for $x$ by using $x = 22 - frac{n}{2}$. As such, for integral values of $x$, the factor must be even, giving the results of $x = 21, 23, -9, 53, 5, 39, -505, 549$.
Also, if you wish to avoid using negative modulus values, then you need to have $44 - 2x gt 0$, so $x lt 22$, giving the results of just $x = -505, -9, 5, 21$.
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What you showed me with this that all answers comes in pairs where their sum is 44, which is a quite interesting approach.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:45
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@RyanTopps In general, I am showing here that if you have a quadratic equation of a square term and a constant on the left, and a linear equation as the modulus, you can simplify it to just a constant, as I have shown here. I could have done it for a more general case, but I thought it would be simpler, and possibly more useful, to show the specific case you asked for. I hope you can see how this technique works so you can apply it in any other similar situations.
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– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:49
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I appreciate it, its just to find prime factors is not an easy solution in programming. I am merely looking a way for me to "cheat" so to say so I do not have to scan from 0 to 44. Basically calculating the modulus is one of the fastest operations.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:56
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@RyanTopps Note that your solution doesn't include the answer of $-505$. If you plug it into your original equation, the the modulus becomes $1054$, with the left side becomes $255068 = 242 times 1054$.
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– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:57
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Note that if
$$x^2 + 43 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{1}label{eq1}$$
then multiplying by $-2$ gives
$$-2x^2 - 86 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{2}label{eq2}$$
Also, dividing $44 - 2x$ into $-2x^2 - 86$ gives
$$-2x^2 - 86 = left(x + 22right) left(44 - 2xright) - 1054 tag{3}label{eq3}$$
Thus, your original equation can be simplified to just look for cases where
$$-1054 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{4}label{eq4}$$
As such, you only need to check cases where $44 - 2x$ is a factor of $1054 = 2 * 31 * 17$, in particular, $pm 1, pm 2, pm 31, pm 17, pm 62, pm 34, pm 527, pm 1054$. For each value $n$ among these factors, you can then solve for $x$ by using $x = 22 - frac{n}{2}$. As such, for integral values of $x$, the factor must be even, giving the results of $x = 21, 23, -9, 53, 5, 39, -505, 549$.
Also, if you wish to avoid using negative modulus values, then you need to have $44 - 2x gt 0$, so $x lt 22$, giving the results of just $x = -505, -9, 5, 21$.
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What you showed me with this that all answers comes in pairs where their sum is 44, which is a quite interesting approach.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:45
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@RyanTopps In general, I am showing here that if you have a quadratic equation of a square term and a constant on the left, and a linear equation as the modulus, you can simplify it to just a constant, as I have shown here. I could have done it for a more general case, but I thought it would be simpler, and possibly more useful, to show the specific case you asked for. I hope you can see how this technique works so you can apply it in any other similar situations.
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– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:49
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I appreciate it, its just to find prime factors is not an easy solution in programming. I am merely looking a way for me to "cheat" so to say so I do not have to scan from 0 to 44. Basically calculating the modulus is one of the fastest operations.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:56
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@RyanTopps Note that your solution doesn't include the answer of $-505$. If you plug it into your original equation, the the modulus becomes $1054$, with the left side becomes $255068 = 242 times 1054$.
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– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:57
add a comment |
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Note that if
$$x^2 + 43 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{1}label{eq1}$$
then multiplying by $-2$ gives
$$-2x^2 - 86 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{2}label{eq2}$$
Also, dividing $44 - 2x$ into $-2x^2 - 86$ gives
$$-2x^2 - 86 = left(x + 22right) left(44 - 2xright) - 1054 tag{3}label{eq3}$$
Thus, your original equation can be simplified to just look for cases where
$$-1054 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{4}label{eq4}$$
As such, you only need to check cases where $44 - 2x$ is a factor of $1054 = 2 * 31 * 17$, in particular, $pm 1, pm 2, pm 31, pm 17, pm 62, pm 34, pm 527, pm 1054$. For each value $n$ among these factors, you can then solve for $x$ by using $x = 22 - frac{n}{2}$. As such, for integral values of $x$, the factor must be even, giving the results of $x = 21, 23, -9, 53, 5, 39, -505, 549$.
Also, if you wish to avoid using negative modulus values, then you need to have $44 - 2x gt 0$, so $x lt 22$, giving the results of just $x = -505, -9, 5, 21$.
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Note that if
$$x^2 + 43 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{1}label{eq1}$$
then multiplying by $-2$ gives
$$-2x^2 - 86 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{2}label{eq2}$$
Also, dividing $44 - 2x$ into $-2x^2 - 86$ gives
$$-2x^2 - 86 = left(x + 22right) left(44 - 2xright) - 1054 tag{3}label{eq3}$$
Thus, your original equation can be simplified to just look for cases where
$$-1054 equiv 0 pmod{44 - 2x} tag{4}label{eq4}$$
As such, you only need to check cases where $44 - 2x$ is a factor of $1054 = 2 * 31 * 17$, in particular, $pm 1, pm 2, pm 31, pm 17, pm 62, pm 34, pm 527, pm 1054$. For each value $n$ among these factors, you can then solve for $x$ by using $x = 22 - frac{n}{2}$. As such, for integral values of $x$, the factor must be even, giving the results of $x = 21, 23, -9, 53, 5, 39, -505, 549$.
Also, if you wish to avoid using negative modulus values, then you need to have $44 - 2x gt 0$, so $x lt 22$, giving the results of just $x = -505, -9, 5, 21$.
edited Dec 29 '18 at 4:00
answered Dec 29 '18 at 3:25
John OmielanJohn Omielan
4,1251215
4,1251215
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What you showed me with this that all answers comes in pairs where their sum is 44, which is a quite interesting approach.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:45
$begingroup$
@RyanTopps In general, I am showing here that if you have a quadratic equation of a square term and a constant on the left, and a linear equation as the modulus, you can simplify it to just a constant, as I have shown here. I could have done it for a more general case, but I thought it would be simpler, and possibly more useful, to show the specific case you asked for. I hope you can see how this technique works so you can apply it in any other similar situations.
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– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:49
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I appreciate it, its just to find prime factors is not an easy solution in programming. I am merely looking a way for me to "cheat" so to say so I do not have to scan from 0 to 44. Basically calculating the modulus is one of the fastest operations.
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– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:56
$begingroup$
@RyanTopps Note that your solution doesn't include the answer of $-505$. If you plug it into your original equation, the the modulus becomes $1054$, with the left side becomes $255068 = 242 times 1054$.
$endgroup$
– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:57
add a comment |
$begingroup$
What you showed me with this that all answers comes in pairs where their sum is 44, which is a quite interesting approach.
$endgroup$
– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:45
$begingroup$
@RyanTopps In general, I am showing here that if you have a quadratic equation of a square term and a constant on the left, and a linear equation as the modulus, you can simplify it to just a constant, as I have shown here. I could have done it for a more general case, but I thought it would be simpler, and possibly more useful, to show the specific case you asked for. I hope you can see how this technique works so you can apply it in any other similar situations.
$endgroup$
– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:49
$begingroup$
I appreciate it, its just to find prime factors is not an easy solution in programming. I am merely looking a way for me to "cheat" so to say so I do not have to scan from 0 to 44. Basically calculating the modulus is one of the fastest operations.
$endgroup$
– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:56
$begingroup$
@RyanTopps Note that your solution doesn't include the answer of $-505$. If you plug it into your original equation, the the modulus becomes $1054$, with the left side becomes $255068 = 242 times 1054$.
$endgroup$
– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:57
$begingroup$
What you showed me with this that all answers comes in pairs where their sum is 44, which is a quite interesting approach.
$endgroup$
– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:45
$begingroup$
What you showed me with this that all answers comes in pairs where their sum is 44, which is a quite interesting approach.
$endgroup$
– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:45
$begingroup$
@RyanTopps In general, I am showing here that if you have a quadratic equation of a square term and a constant on the left, and a linear equation as the modulus, you can simplify it to just a constant, as I have shown here. I could have done it for a more general case, but I thought it would be simpler, and possibly more useful, to show the specific case you asked for. I hope you can see how this technique works so you can apply it in any other similar situations.
$endgroup$
– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:49
$begingroup$
@RyanTopps In general, I am showing here that if you have a quadratic equation of a square term and a constant on the left, and a linear equation as the modulus, you can simplify it to just a constant, as I have shown here. I could have done it for a more general case, but I thought it would be simpler, and possibly more useful, to show the specific case you asked for. I hope you can see how this technique works so you can apply it in any other similar situations.
$endgroup$
– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:49
$begingroup$
I appreciate it, its just to find prime factors is not an easy solution in programming. I am merely looking a way for me to "cheat" so to say so I do not have to scan from 0 to 44. Basically calculating the modulus is one of the fastest operations.
$endgroup$
– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:56
$begingroup$
I appreciate it, its just to find prime factors is not an easy solution in programming. I am merely looking a way for me to "cheat" so to say so I do not have to scan from 0 to 44. Basically calculating the modulus is one of the fastest operations.
$endgroup$
– Ryan Topps
Dec 29 '18 at 3:56
$begingroup$
@RyanTopps Note that your solution doesn't include the answer of $-505$. If you plug it into your original equation, the the modulus becomes $1054$, with the left side becomes $255068 = 242 times 1054$.
$endgroup$
– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:57
$begingroup$
@RyanTopps Note that your solution doesn't include the answer of $-505$. If you plug it into your original equation, the the modulus becomes $1054$, with the left side becomes $255068 = 242 times 1054$.
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– John Omielan
Dec 29 '18 at 3:57
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Have you found any $x$ satisfying this so far?
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– ÍgjøgnumMeg
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As a start, note that if $x$ is even, then $x^2+43$ is always odd and $44-2x$ is always even, and there is no multiple of an even number that results in an odd number, i.e. leaving a residue of $0$.
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