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it is known that $f(0,0) = 0$ and $f$ is differentiable at $(0,0)$. It is also known that for every $t>0$ we have $f(cos(t)/t , sin(t)/t) > 0$.



Show that necessarily $operatorname{Gradient}(0,0) = (0,0)$.



I have no clue how to solve this. I have tried to show through limits, I have tried to get something from the definition ( that with $varepsilon, :(x/y) to 0$ at the limit)



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    it is known that $f(0,0) = 0$ and $f$ is differentiable at $(0,0)$. It is also known that for every $t>0$ we have $f(cos(t)/t , sin(t)/t) > 0$.



    Show that necessarily $operatorname{Gradient}(0,0) = (0,0)$.



    I have no clue how to solve this. I have tried to show through limits, I have tried to get something from the definition ( that with $varepsilon, :(x/y) to 0$ at the limit)



    I am sorry for the bad latex language really.










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      it is known that $f(0,0) = 0$ and $f$ is differentiable at $(0,0)$. It is also known that for every $t>0$ we have $f(cos(t)/t , sin(t)/t) > 0$.



      Show that necessarily $operatorname{Gradient}(0,0) = (0,0)$.



      I have no clue how to solve this. I have tried to show through limits, I have tried to get something from the definition ( that with $varepsilon, :(x/y) to 0$ at the limit)



      I am sorry for the bad latex language really.










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      it is known that $f(0,0) = 0$ and $f$ is differentiable at $(0,0)$. It is also known that for every $t>0$ we have $f(cos(t)/t , sin(t)/t) > 0$.



      Show that necessarily $operatorname{Gradient}(0,0) = (0,0)$.



      I have no clue how to solve this. I have tried to show through limits, I have tried to get something from the definition ( that with $varepsilon, :(x/y) to 0$ at the limit)



      I am sorry for the bad latex language really.







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          Suppose that the gradient of $f$ at $(0,0)$ exists and is not $(0,0).$
          That would imply that if you look at a small enough neighborhood of $(0,0),$
          within that neighborhood $f$ would look like a linear function (informally speaking), and that linear function would be increasing in some directions from $(0,0)$ and decreasing in other directions from $(0,0).$



          Now ask how $f$ can look like a decreasing function in some directions from $(0,0)$ and still have $fleft(frac{cos t}{t},frac{sin t}{t}right) > 0$ for every positive real number $t.$
          If the answer is that it cannot, then $f$ cannot have a non-zero gradient at $(0,0).$



          The problem of writing the proof is mainly how to relate the given facts to the formal definition of the gradient and the theorems about it.










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          • can you explain how did you know / prove that in a small neighborhood the function is decreasing mathmatically
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          • I don't believe it is decreasing. You're supposed to prove that the function looks like a constant $0$ in the neighborhood of $(0,0).$ The idea is to suppose is is decreasing in some direction (which is the same as saying at least one of your partial derivatives is non-zero), and show a contradiction. Classic proof by contradiction: assume the truth of a statement (even though you believe is false); show by assuming it is true it leads to a contradiction; therefore it really is false.
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          Suppose that the gradient of $f$ at $(0,0)$ exists and is not $(0,0).$
          That would imply that if you look at a small enough neighborhood of $(0,0),$
          within that neighborhood $f$ would look like a linear function (informally speaking), and that linear function would be increasing in some directions from $(0,0)$ and decreasing in other directions from $(0,0).$



          Now ask how $f$ can look like a decreasing function in some directions from $(0,0)$ and still have $fleft(frac{cos t}{t},frac{sin t}{t}right) > 0$ for every positive real number $t.$
          If the answer is that it cannot, then $f$ cannot have a non-zero gradient at $(0,0).$



          The problem of writing the proof is mainly how to relate the given facts to the formal definition of the gradient and the theorems about it.










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          • can you explain how did you know / prove that in a small neighborhood the function is decreasing mathmatically
            – Razi Awad
            yesterday










          • I don't believe it is decreasing. You're supposed to prove that the function looks like a constant $0$ in the neighborhood of $(0,0).$ The idea is to suppose is is decreasing in some direction (which is the same as saying at least one of your partial derivatives is non-zero), and show a contradiction. Classic proof by contradiction: assume the truth of a statement (even though you believe is false); show by assuming it is true it leads to a contradiction; therefore it really is false.
            – David K
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          Suppose that the gradient of $f$ at $(0,0)$ exists and is not $(0,0).$
          That would imply that if you look at a small enough neighborhood of $(0,0),$
          within that neighborhood $f$ would look like a linear function (informally speaking), and that linear function would be increasing in some directions from $(0,0)$ and decreasing in other directions from $(0,0).$



          Now ask how $f$ can look like a decreasing function in some directions from $(0,0)$ and still have $fleft(frac{cos t}{t},frac{sin t}{t}right) > 0$ for every positive real number $t.$
          If the answer is that it cannot, then $f$ cannot have a non-zero gradient at $(0,0).$



          The problem of writing the proof is mainly how to relate the given facts to the formal definition of the gradient and the theorems about it.










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          • can you explain how did you know / prove that in a small neighborhood the function is decreasing mathmatically
            – Razi Awad
            yesterday










          • I don't believe it is decreasing. You're supposed to prove that the function looks like a constant $0$ in the neighborhood of $(0,0).$ The idea is to suppose is is decreasing in some direction (which is the same as saying at least one of your partial derivatives is non-zero), and show a contradiction. Classic proof by contradiction: assume the truth of a statement (even though you believe is false); show by assuming it is true it leads to a contradiction; therefore it really is false.
            – David K
            yesterday















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          Suppose that the gradient of $f$ at $(0,0)$ exists and is not $(0,0).$
          That would imply that if you look at a small enough neighborhood of $(0,0),$
          within that neighborhood $f$ would look like a linear function (informally speaking), and that linear function would be increasing in some directions from $(0,0)$ and decreasing in other directions from $(0,0).$



          Now ask how $f$ can look like a decreasing function in some directions from $(0,0)$ and still have $fleft(frac{cos t}{t},frac{sin t}{t}right) > 0$ for every positive real number $t.$
          If the answer is that it cannot, then $f$ cannot have a non-zero gradient at $(0,0).$



          The problem of writing the proof is mainly how to relate the given facts to the formal definition of the gradient and the theorems about it.










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          Suppose that the gradient of $f$ at $(0,0)$ exists and is not $(0,0).$
          That would imply that if you look at a small enough neighborhood of $(0,0),$
          within that neighborhood $f$ would look like a linear function (informally speaking), and that linear function would be increasing in some directions from $(0,0)$ and decreasing in other directions from $(0,0).$



          Now ask how $f$ can look like a decreasing function in some directions from $(0,0)$ and still have $fleft(frac{cos t}{t},frac{sin t}{t}right) > 0$ for every positive real number $t.$
          If the answer is that it cannot, then $f$ cannot have a non-zero gradient at $(0,0).$



          The problem of writing the proof is mainly how to relate the given facts to the formal definition of the gradient and the theorems about it.











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          • can you explain how did you know / prove that in a small neighborhood the function is decreasing mathmatically
            – Razi Awad
            yesterday










          • I don't believe it is decreasing. You're supposed to prove that the function looks like a constant $0$ in the neighborhood of $(0,0).$ The idea is to suppose is is decreasing in some direction (which is the same as saying at least one of your partial derivatives is non-zero), and show a contradiction. Classic proof by contradiction: assume the truth of a statement (even though you believe is false); show by assuming it is true it leads to a contradiction; therefore it really is false.
            – David K
            yesterday




















          • can you explain how did you know / prove that in a small neighborhood the function is decreasing mathmatically
            – Razi Awad
            yesterday










          • I don't believe it is decreasing. You're supposed to prove that the function looks like a constant $0$ in the neighborhood of $(0,0).$ The idea is to suppose is is decreasing in some direction (which is the same as saying at least one of your partial derivatives is non-zero), and show a contradiction. Classic proof by contradiction: assume the truth of a statement (even though you believe is false); show by assuming it is true it leads to a contradiction; therefore it really is false.
            – David K
            yesterday


















          can you explain how did you know / prove that in a small neighborhood the function is decreasing mathmatically
          – Razi Awad
          yesterday




          can you explain how did you know / prove that in a small neighborhood the function is decreasing mathmatically
          – Razi Awad
          yesterday












          I don't believe it is decreasing. You're supposed to prove that the function looks like a constant $0$ in the neighborhood of $(0,0).$ The idea is to suppose is is decreasing in some direction (which is the same as saying at least one of your partial derivatives is non-zero), and show a contradiction. Classic proof by contradiction: assume the truth of a statement (even though you believe is false); show by assuming it is true it leads to a contradiction; therefore it really is false.
          – David K
          yesterday






          I don't believe it is decreasing. You're supposed to prove that the function looks like a constant $0$ in the neighborhood of $(0,0).$ The idea is to suppose is is decreasing in some direction (which is the same as saying at least one of your partial derivatives is non-zero), and show a contradiction. Classic proof by contradiction: assume the truth of a statement (even though you believe is false); show by assuming it is true it leads to a contradiction; therefore it really is false.
          – David K
          yesterday




















           

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