Conditions for a certain parametric matrix to be positive definite
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Let's consider matrix $A=begin{bmatrix}1&a&a\a&1&a\a&a&1 end{bmatrix}$. Show that $A>0$ if and only if $-1<2a<2$.
Solution attempt: By definition $A$ is positive definite iff $forall_{zinmathbb{R}^3}z^{operatorname{T}}Az>0$.
For $z=begin{bmatrix}z_1\z_2\z_3end{bmatrix}$, $$left(z^{operatorname{T}}Aright)z=left(z_1^2+az_1z_2+az_1z_3right)+left(az_1z_2+z_2^2+az_2z_3right)+left(az_1z_3+az_2z_3+z_3^2right)\=z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2+2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)>0\iff\z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2>-2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)$$
This is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3geq0$, so without loss of generality let's assume that $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3<0$, and thus $-(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3)>0$. Therefore we need to prove that:
$$left({Largeforall_{z_1,z_2,z_3}}-frac{z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2}{z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3}>2aright)iff -1<2a<2$$
And this seems false to me. This is because $-frac{z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2}{z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3}$ is always $geq0$. For this reason we have a trivial counterexample, eg when $2a=-1000$ then $2anotin(-1;2)$ but nonetheless $forall_{z_1,z_2,z_3}-frac{z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2}{z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3}>2a$.
I can't find my error; could you kindly help me please?
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The task:
Let's consider matrix $A=begin{bmatrix}1&a&a\a&1&a\a&a&1 end{bmatrix}$. Show that $A>0$ if and only if $-1<2a<2$.
Solution attempt: By definition $A$ is positive definite iff $forall_{zinmathbb{R}^3}z^{operatorname{T}}Az>0$.
For $z=begin{bmatrix}z_1\z_2\z_3end{bmatrix}$, $$left(z^{operatorname{T}}Aright)z=left(z_1^2+az_1z_2+az_1z_3right)+left(az_1z_2+z_2^2+az_2z_3right)+left(az_1z_3+az_2z_3+z_3^2right)\=z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2+2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)>0\iff\z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2>-2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)$$
This is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3geq0$, so without loss of generality let's assume that $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3<0$, and thus $-(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3)>0$. Therefore we need to prove that:
$$left({Largeforall_{z_1,z_2,z_3}}-frac{z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2}{z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3}>2aright)iff -1<2a<2$$
And this seems false to me. This is because $-frac{z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2}{z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3}$ is always $geq0$. For this reason we have a trivial counterexample, eg when $2a=-1000$ then $2anotin(-1;2)$ but nonetheless $forall_{z_1,z_2,z_3}-frac{z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2}{z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3}>2a$.
I can't find my error; could you kindly help me please?
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Do you know what the chracteristic polynomial of a matrix is? Its roots are the eigenvalues. In this case, one can compute the eigenvalues of the given matrix explicitly using this approach. A matrix is positive definite if and only if all its eigenvalues are positive and real.
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 13 at 17:10
@астонвіллаолофмэллбэрг I know what the characteristic polynomial is, but I don't know what is the correlation between eigenvalues and positive definiteness...
– gaazkam
Nov 13 at 17:13
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Your error is when you say "this is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3 geq 0$ ": that's not true for $a<0$
– krirkrirk
Nov 13 at 17:14
@астонвіллаолофмэллбэрг OK: I checked Wikipedia: All eigenvalues are positive iff matrix is positive definite. Thank you, I'll try to solve it that way
– gaazkam
Nov 13 at 17:20
Yes, I think the CP is the easiest way of doing this.
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 13 at 17:23
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The task:
Let's consider matrix $A=begin{bmatrix}1&a&a\a&1&a\a&a&1 end{bmatrix}$. Show that $A>0$ if and only if $-1<2a<2$.
Solution attempt: By definition $A$ is positive definite iff $forall_{zinmathbb{R}^3}z^{operatorname{T}}Az>0$.
For $z=begin{bmatrix}z_1\z_2\z_3end{bmatrix}$, $$left(z^{operatorname{T}}Aright)z=left(z_1^2+az_1z_2+az_1z_3right)+left(az_1z_2+z_2^2+az_2z_3right)+left(az_1z_3+az_2z_3+z_3^2right)\=z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2+2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)>0\iff\z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2>-2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)$$
This is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3geq0$, so without loss of generality let's assume that $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3<0$, and thus $-(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3)>0$. Therefore we need to prove that:
$$left({Largeforall_{z_1,z_2,z_3}}-frac{z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2}{z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3}>2aright)iff -1<2a<2$$
And this seems false to me. This is because $-frac{z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2}{z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3}$ is always $geq0$. For this reason we have a trivial counterexample, eg when $2a=-1000$ then $2anotin(-1;2)$ but nonetheless $forall_{z_1,z_2,z_3}-frac{z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2}{z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3}>2a$.
I can't find my error; could you kindly help me please?
vectors matrix-equations positive-definite
The task:
Let's consider matrix $A=begin{bmatrix}1&a&a\a&1&a\a&a&1 end{bmatrix}$. Show that $A>0$ if and only if $-1<2a<2$.
Solution attempt: By definition $A$ is positive definite iff $forall_{zinmathbb{R}^3}z^{operatorname{T}}Az>0$.
For $z=begin{bmatrix}z_1\z_2\z_3end{bmatrix}$, $$left(z^{operatorname{T}}Aright)z=left(z_1^2+az_1z_2+az_1z_3right)+left(az_1z_2+z_2^2+az_2z_3right)+left(az_1z_3+az_2z_3+z_3^2right)\=z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2+2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)>0\iff\z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2>-2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)$$
This is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3geq0$, so without loss of generality let's assume that $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3<0$, and thus $-(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3)>0$. Therefore we need to prove that:
$$left({Largeforall_{z_1,z_2,z_3}}-frac{z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2}{z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3}>2aright)iff -1<2a<2$$
And this seems false to me. This is because $-frac{z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2}{z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3}$ is always $geq0$. For this reason we have a trivial counterexample, eg when $2a=-1000$ then $2anotin(-1;2)$ but nonetheless $forall_{z_1,z_2,z_3}-frac{z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2}{z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3}>2a$.
I can't find my error; could you kindly help me please?
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vectors matrix-equations positive-definite
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Do you know what the chracteristic polynomial of a matrix is? Its roots are the eigenvalues. In this case, one can compute the eigenvalues of the given matrix explicitly using this approach. A matrix is positive definite if and only if all its eigenvalues are positive and real.
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 13 at 17:10
@астонвіллаолофмэллбэрг I know what the characteristic polynomial is, but I don't know what is the correlation between eigenvalues and positive definiteness...
– gaazkam
Nov 13 at 17:13
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Your error is when you say "this is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3 geq 0$ ": that's not true for $a<0$
– krirkrirk
Nov 13 at 17:14
@астонвіллаолофмэллбэрг OK: I checked Wikipedia: All eigenvalues are positive iff matrix is positive definite. Thank you, I'll try to solve it that way
– gaazkam
Nov 13 at 17:20
Yes, I think the CP is the easiest way of doing this.
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 13 at 17:23
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Do you know what the chracteristic polynomial of a matrix is? Its roots are the eigenvalues. In this case, one can compute the eigenvalues of the given matrix explicitly using this approach. A matrix is positive definite if and only if all its eigenvalues are positive and real.
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 13 at 17:10
@астонвіллаолофмэллбэрг I know what the characteristic polynomial is, but I don't know what is the correlation between eigenvalues and positive definiteness...
– gaazkam
Nov 13 at 17:13
1
Your error is when you say "this is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3 geq 0$ ": that's not true for $a<0$
– krirkrirk
Nov 13 at 17:14
@астонвіллаолофмэллбэрг OK: I checked Wikipedia: All eigenvalues are positive iff matrix is positive definite. Thank you, I'll try to solve it that way
– gaazkam
Nov 13 at 17:20
Yes, I think the CP is the easiest way of doing this.
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 13 at 17:23
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Do you know what the chracteristic polynomial of a matrix is? Its roots are the eigenvalues. In this case, one can compute the eigenvalues of the given matrix explicitly using this approach. A matrix is positive definite if and only if all its eigenvalues are positive and real.
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 13 at 17:10
Do you know what the chracteristic polynomial of a matrix is? Its roots are the eigenvalues. In this case, one can compute the eigenvalues of the given matrix explicitly using this approach. A matrix is positive definite if and only if all its eigenvalues are positive and real.
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 13 at 17:10
@астонвіллаолофмэллбэрг I know what the characteristic polynomial is, but I don't know what is the correlation between eigenvalues and positive definiteness...
– gaazkam
Nov 13 at 17:13
@астонвіллаолофмэллбэрг I know what the characteristic polynomial is, but I don't know what is the correlation between eigenvalues and positive definiteness...
– gaazkam
Nov 13 at 17:13
1
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Your error is when you say "this is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3 geq 0$ ": that's not true for $a<0$
– krirkrirk
Nov 13 at 17:14
Your error is when you say "this is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3 geq 0$ ": that's not true for $a<0$
– krirkrirk
Nov 13 at 17:14
@астонвіллаолофмэллбэрг OK: I checked Wikipedia: All eigenvalues are positive iff matrix is positive definite. Thank you, I'll try to solve it that way
– gaazkam
Nov 13 at 17:20
@астонвіллаолофмэллбэрг OK: I checked Wikipedia: All eigenvalues are positive iff matrix is positive definite. Thank you, I'll try to solve it that way
– gaazkam
Nov 13 at 17:20
Yes, I think the CP is the easiest way of doing this.
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 13 at 17:23
Yes, I think the CP is the easiest way of doing this.
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 13 at 17:23
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$z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2+2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)>0iff z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2>-2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)$
This is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3geq0$
Not, it is not, since $a$ might be negative.
I suppose showing $A$ is definite positive could be done your way, but it's way too exhausting for me. I'd go with using the fact that $$Atext{ definite positive } iff text{ its eigenvalues are } > 0$$
Now choose your favorite way to find the eigenvalues of $A$. Note that the sum of the rows are $2a+1$ so this is one of them ; which by the way leads to $-1<2a$. Now your turn...
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Let's determine the eigenvalues of $A$. If we can find the conditions for which those eigenvalues are all positive, then we can solve the question.
Let $u in mathbb R^3$ be the vector with $1$ for all its components. Then note that $uu^T$ is the $3times 3$ matrix with $1$ for all its entries.
Therefore $$A=(1-a)I+auu^T$$
Now, notice that $$Au=(1-a)u+au (u^Tu)=(1-a)u+3au=(1+2a)u$$
So $u$ is an eigenvector of $A$ with eigenvalue $(1+2a)$.
Now, let's determine the other eigenvalues of $A$. Suppose $xinmathbb R^3$ is orthogonal to $u$, that is $u^Tx=0$, then
$$Ax=(1-a)x+auu^Tx=(1-a)x$$
so $x$ is an eigenvector of $A$ with eigenvalue $(1-a)$. Since the space of vectors $x$ orthogonal to $u$ is of dimension 2, we have now determined that $(1-a)$ is an eigenvalue of multiplicity 2 for $A$.
In summary, the spectrum of $A$ is $(1+2a)$ (multiplicity 1) and $(1-a)$ (multiplicity 2). Consequently, $A$ is positive definite iff $$1+2a>0 text{ and } 1-a >0$$ that is iff $-1 < 2a < 2$$
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$z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2+2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)>0iff z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2>-2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)$
This is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3geq0$
Not, it is not, since $a$ might be negative.
I suppose showing $A$ is definite positive could be done your way, but it's way too exhausting for me. I'd go with using the fact that $$Atext{ definite positive } iff text{ its eigenvalues are } > 0$$
Now choose your favorite way to find the eigenvalues of $A$. Note that the sum of the rows are $2a+1$ so this is one of them ; which by the way leads to $-1<2a$. Now your turn...
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$z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2+2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)>0iff z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2>-2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)$
This is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3geq0$
Not, it is not, since $a$ might be negative.
I suppose showing $A$ is definite positive could be done your way, but it's way too exhausting for me. I'd go with using the fact that $$Atext{ definite positive } iff text{ its eigenvalues are } > 0$$
Now choose your favorite way to find the eigenvalues of $A$. Note that the sum of the rows are $2a+1$ so this is one of them ; which by the way leads to $-1<2a$. Now your turn...
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$z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2+2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)>0iff z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2>-2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)$
This is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3geq0$
Not, it is not, since $a$ might be negative.
I suppose showing $A$ is definite positive could be done your way, but it's way too exhausting for me. I'd go with using the fact that $$Atext{ definite positive } iff text{ its eigenvalues are } > 0$$
Now choose your favorite way to find the eigenvalues of $A$. Note that the sum of the rows are $2a+1$ so this is one of them ; which by the way leads to $-1<2a$. Now your turn...
$z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2+2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)>0iff z_1^2+z_2^2+z_3^2>-2aleft(z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3right)$
This is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3geq0$
Not, it is not, since $a$ might be negative.
I suppose showing $A$ is definite positive could be done your way, but it's way too exhausting for me. I'd go with using the fact that $$Atext{ definite positive } iff text{ its eigenvalues are } > 0$$
Now choose your favorite way to find the eigenvalues of $A$. Note that the sum of the rows are $2a+1$ so this is one of them ; which by the way leads to $-1<2a$. Now your turn...
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Let's determine the eigenvalues of $A$. If we can find the conditions for which those eigenvalues are all positive, then we can solve the question.
Let $u in mathbb R^3$ be the vector with $1$ for all its components. Then note that $uu^T$ is the $3times 3$ matrix with $1$ for all its entries.
Therefore $$A=(1-a)I+auu^T$$
Now, notice that $$Au=(1-a)u+au (u^Tu)=(1-a)u+3au=(1+2a)u$$
So $u$ is an eigenvector of $A$ with eigenvalue $(1+2a)$.
Now, let's determine the other eigenvalues of $A$. Suppose $xinmathbb R^3$ is orthogonal to $u$, that is $u^Tx=0$, then
$$Ax=(1-a)x+auu^Tx=(1-a)x$$
so $x$ is an eigenvector of $A$ with eigenvalue $(1-a)$. Since the space of vectors $x$ orthogonal to $u$ is of dimension 2, we have now determined that $(1-a)$ is an eigenvalue of multiplicity 2 for $A$.
In summary, the spectrum of $A$ is $(1+2a)$ (multiplicity 1) and $(1-a)$ (multiplicity 2). Consequently, $A$ is positive definite iff $$1+2a>0 text{ and } 1-a >0$$ that is iff $-1 < 2a < 2$$
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Let's determine the eigenvalues of $A$. If we can find the conditions for which those eigenvalues are all positive, then we can solve the question.
Let $u in mathbb R^3$ be the vector with $1$ for all its components. Then note that $uu^T$ is the $3times 3$ matrix with $1$ for all its entries.
Therefore $$A=(1-a)I+auu^T$$
Now, notice that $$Au=(1-a)u+au (u^Tu)=(1-a)u+3au=(1+2a)u$$
So $u$ is an eigenvector of $A$ with eigenvalue $(1+2a)$.
Now, let's determine the other eigenvalues of $A$. Suppose $xinmathbb R^3$ is orthogonal to $u$, that is $u^Tx=0$, then
$$Ax=(1-a)x+auu^Tx=(1-a)x$$
so $x$ is an eigenvector of $A$ with eigenvalue $(1-a)$. Since the space of vectors $x$ orthogonal to $u$ is of dimension 2, we have now determined that $(1-a)$ is an eigenvalue of multiplicity 2 for $A$.
In summary, the spectrum of $A$ is $(1+2a)$ (multiplicity 1) and $(1-a)$ (multiplicity 2). Consequently, $A$ is positive definite iff $$1+2a>0 text{ and } 1-a >0$$ that is iff $-1 < 2a < 2$$
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Let's determine the eigenvalues of $A$. If we can find the conditions for which those eigenvalues are all positive, then we can solve the question.
Let $u in mathbb R^3$ be the vector with $1$ for all its components. Then note that $uu^T$ is the $3times 3$ matrix with $1$ for all its entries.
Therefore $$A=(1-a)I+auu^T$$
Now, notice that $$Au=(1-a)u+au (u^Tu)=(1-a)u+3au=(1+2a)u$$
So $u$ is an eigenvector of $A$ with eigenvalue $(1+2a)$.
Now, let's determine the other eigenvalues of $A$. Suppose $xinmathbb R^3$ is orthogonal to $u$, that is $u^Tx=0$, then
$$Ax=(1-a)x+auu^Tx=(1-a)x$$
so $x$ is an eigenvector of $A$ with eigenvalue $(1-a)$. Since the space of vectors $x$ orthogonal to $u$ is of dimension 2, we have now determined that $(1-a)$ is an eigenvalue of multiplicity 2 for $A$.
In summary, the spectrum of $A$ is $(1+2a)$ (multiplicity 1) and $(1-a)$ (multiplicity 2). Consequently, $A$ is positive definite iff $$1+2a>0 text{ and } 1-a >0$$ that is iff $-1 < 2a < 2$$
Let's determine the eigenvalues of $A$. If we can find the conditions for which those eigenvalues are all positive, then we can solve the question.
Let $u in mathbb R^3$ be the vector with $1$ for all its components. Then note that $uu^T$ is the $3times 3$ matrix with $1$ for all its entries.
Therefore $$A=(1-a)I+auu^T$$
Now, notice that $$Au=(1-a)u+au (u^Tu)=(1-a)u+3au=(1+2a)u$$
So $u$ is an eigenvector of $A$ with eigenvalue $(1+2a)$.
Now, let's determine the other eigenvalues of $A$. Suppose $xinmathbb R^3$ is orthogonal to $u$, that is $u^Tx=0$, then
$$Ax=(1-a)x+auu^Tx=(1-a)x$$
so $x$ is an eigenvector of $A$ with eigenvalue $(1-a)$. Since the space of vectors $x$ orthogonal to $u$ is of dimension 2, we have now determined that $(1-a)$ is an eigenvalue of multiplicity 2 for $A$.
In summary, the spectrum of $A$ is $(1+2a)$ (multiplicity 1) and $(1-a)$ (multiplicity 2). Consequently, $A$ is positive definite iff $$1+2a>0 text{ and } 1-a >0$$ that is iff $-1 < 2a < 2$$
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Do you know what the chracteristic polynomial of a matrix is? Its roots are the eigenvalues. In this case, one can compute the eigenvalues of the given matrix explicitly using this approach. A matrix is positive definite if and only if all its eigenvalues are positive and real.
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 13 at 17:10
@астонвіллаолофмэллбэрг I know what the characteristic polynomial is, but I don't know what is the correlation between eigenvalues and positive definiteness...
– gaazkam
Nov 13 at 17:13
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Your error is when you say "this is trivially true for $z_1z_2+z_1z_3+z_2z_3 geq 0$ ": that's not true for $a<0$
– krirkrirk
Nov 13 at 17:14
@астонвіллаолофмэллбэрг OK: I checked Wikipedia: All eigenvalues are positive iff matrix is positive definite. Thank you, I'll try to solve it that way
– gaazkam
Nov 13 at 17:20
Yes, I think the CP is the easiest way of doing this.
– астон вілла олоф мэллбэрг
Nov 13 at 17:23