Three red dice. Sum of any two of them must be 2,3 or 4. What is the probability of that?
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I have a boardgame call Enemy Coast Ahead: The Dambusters in which enemy FLaK poses a major problem.
Under some circumstances the game "AI" throws three instead of two dice and if the sum of any two of them is within a certain interval a hit is scored. Furthermore if doubles are rolled and that gives a hit the doubles are re-rolled. If that is a hit but not a re-roll the hit is score and then it stops. If that is a hit and a double hit is score and another re-roll follows.
For starters I'd just like to know the probability of the sum of the two dice being 2,3 or 4 when rolling three dice.
As I see it(and I have not idea whether I right): Dice 1,2 and 3, denoted A, B and C can roll a lethal combbination as AB, BC or AC.
At Flak Level 1 the lethal range is 2-4. That gives 1/36 + 2/36 + 3/36=6/36 =1/6 for a Hit.
Using three dice and combinations AB, DC and AC just one of them is enough for a hit so since OR goes into it we get 1/6 for each 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 = 1/2.
Best Regards
Peter
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I have a boardgame call Enemy Coast Ahead: The Dambusters in which enemy FLaK poses a major problem.
Under some circumstances the game "AI" throws three instead of two dice and if the sum of any two of them is within a certain interval a hit is scored. Furthermore if doubles are rolled and that gives a hit the doubles are re-rolled. If that is a hit but not a re-roll the hit is score and then it stops. If that is a hit and a double hit is score and another re-roll follows.
For starters I'd just like to know the probability of the sum of the two dice being 2,3 or 4 when rolling three dice.
As I see it(and I have not idea whether I right): Dice 1,2 and 3, denoted A, B and C can roll a lethal combbination as AB, BC or AC.
At Flak Level 1 the lethal range is 2-4. That gives 1/36 + 2/36 + 3/36=6/36 =1/6 for a Hit.
Using three dice and combinations AB, DC and AC just one of them is enough for a hit so since OR goes into it we get 1/6 for each 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 = 1/2.
Best Regards
Peter
dice
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I have a boardgame call Enemy Coast Ahead: The Dambusters in which enemy FLaK poses a major problem.
Under some circumstances the game "AI" throws three instead of two dice and if the sum of any two of them is within a certain interval a hit is scored. Furthermore if doubles are rolled and that gives a hit the doubles are re-rolled. If that is a hit but not a re-roll the hit is score and then it stops. If that is a hit and a double hit is score and another re-roll follows.
For starters I'd just like to know the probability of the sum of the two dice being 2,3 or 4 when rolling three dice.
As I see it(and I have not idea whether I right): Dice 1,2 and 3, denoted A, B and C can roll a lethal combbination as AB, BC or AC.
At Flak Level 1 the lethal range is 2-4. That gives 1/36 + 2/36 + 3/36=6/36 =1/6 for a Hit.
Using three dice and combinations AB, DC and AC just one of them is enough for a hit so since OR goes into it we get 1/6 for each 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 = 1/2.
Best Regards
Peter
dice
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I have a boardgame call Enemy Coast Ahead: The Dambusters in which enemy FLaK poses a major problem.
Under some circumstances the game "AI" throws three instead of two dice and if the sum of any two of them is within a certain interval a hit is scored. Furthermore if doubles are rolled and that gives a hit the doubles are re-rolled. If that is a hit but not a re-roll the hit is score and then it stops. If that is a hit and a double hit is score and another re-roll follows.
For starters I'd just like to know the probability of the sum of the two dice being 2,3 or 4 when rolling three dice.
As I see it(and I have not idea whether I right): Dice 1,2 and 3, denoted A, B and C can roll a lethal combbination as AB, BC or AC.
At Flak Level 1 the lethal range is 2-4. That gives 1/36 + 2/36 + 3/36=6/36 =1/6 for a Hit.
Using three dice and combinations AB, DC and AC just one of them is enough for a hit so since OR goes into it we get 1/6 for each 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 = 1/2.
Best Regards
Peter
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Let $A$ denote the event that $X_1+X_2in{2,3,4}$.
Let $B$ denote the event that $X_1+X_3in{2,3,4}$.
Let $C$ denote the event that $X_2+X_3in{2,3,4}$.
With inclusion/exclusion and symmetry we find:$$P(Acup Bcup C)=3P(A)-3P(Acap B)+P(Acap Bcap C)$$
Can you find these terms on RHS yourself?
If you calculate them correctly then your answer will be:$$3cdotfrac6{36}-3cdotfrac{14}{216}+frac{11}{216}=frac{77}{216}$$
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Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:42
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Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:50
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You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:52
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If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:59
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Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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– Peter Lageri
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You can't add the probability of non-mutually exclusive events like that. Suppose there were $10$ dice, so $binom {10}2=45$ pairs. Your method would give an answer greater than $1$.
Best here is brute force counting.
Counting the winning triples requires attention because there is a lot of overlap and because not all of them have the same number of permutations.
$6$ permutations: $${1,2,3}quad {1,2,4}quad{1,2,5}quad{1,2,6}$$
$${1,3,4}quad {1,3,5}quad{1,3,6}$$
$3$ permutations: $${1,1,2}quad {1,1,3}quad{1,1,4}quad{1,1,5}quad {1,1,6}$$
$${1,2,2}quad {2,2,3}quad {2,2,4}quad{2,2,5}quad{2,2,6}$$
$${1,3,3}$$
$1$ permutation: $${1,1,1}quad {2,2,2}$$
Thus there are $$6times 7+3times 11+ 1times 2=77$$ (ordered) winning triples. As there are $6^3=216$ unrestricted ordered triples, the answer is $$boxed {frac {77}{216}=.35648}$$
CAUTION: one problem with brute force enumeration is that it is quite error prone; it's hard to be sure you didn't miss a case or two. Check my list carefully. The first version of it left off two patterns and there might well be other errors that are still present.
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Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:17
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@PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
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– lulu
Jan 3 at 12:21
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It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:28
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@drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
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– lulu
Jan 3 at 12:34
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@Lulu. Thank you.
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– Peter Lageri
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Another way to brute force:
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c}
D_1&D_2&D_3&Total\
hline
1&1-3&1-6&18\
1&4-6&1-3&9\
2&1-2&1-6&12\
2&3-6&1-2&8\
3&1&1-6&6\
3&2&1-2&2\
3&3-6&1&4\
4-6&1&1-3&9\
4-6&2&1-2&6\
4-6&3&1&3\
hline
&&&77
end{array}$$
Hence the required probability is $frac{77}{6^3}$.
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How do you calculate each linie?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 4 at 8:07
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Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
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– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:08
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Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
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– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:09
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Let $A$ denote the event that $X_1+X_2in{2,3,4}$.
Let $B$ denote the event that $X_1+X_3in{2,3,4}$.
Let $C$ denote the event that $X_2+X_3in{2,3,4}$.
With inclusion/exclusion and symmetry we find:$$P(Acup Bcup C)=3P(A)-3P(Acap B)+P(Acap Bcap C)$$
Can you find these terms on RHS yourself?
If you calculate them correctly then your answer will be:$$3cdotfrac6{36}-3cdotfrac{14}{216}+frac{11}{216}=frac{77}{216}$$
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Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:42
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Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:50
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You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:52
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If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:59
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Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 13:08
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Let $A$ denote the event that $X_1+X_2in{2,3,4}$.
Let $B$ denote the event that $X_1+X_3in{2,3,4}$.
Let $C$ denote the event that $X_2+X_3in{2,3,4}$.
With inclusion/exclusion and symmetry we find:$$P(Acup Bcup C)=3P(A)-3P(Acap B)+P(Acap Bcap C)$$
Can you find these terms on RHS yourself?
If you calculate them correctly then your answer will be:$$3cdotfrac6{36}-3cdotfrac{14}{216}+frac{11}{216}=frac{77}{216}$$
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Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:42
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Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:50
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You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:52
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If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:59
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Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 13:08
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show 7 more comments
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Let $A$ denote the event that $X_1+X_2in{2,3,4}$.
Let $B$ denote the event that $X_1+X_3in{2,3,4}$.
Let $C$ denote the event that $X_2+X_3in{2,3,4}$.
With inclusion/exclusion and symmetry we find:$$P(Acup Bcup C)=3P(A)-3P(Acap B)+P(Acap Bcap C)$$
Can you find these terms on RHS yourself?
If you calculate them correctly then your answer will be:$$3cdotfrac6{36}-3cdotfrac{14}{216}+frac{11}{216}=frac{77}{216}$$
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Let $A$ denote the event that $X_1+X_2in{2,3,4}$.
Let $B$ denote the event that $X_1+X_3in{2,3,4}$.
Let $C$ denote the event that $X_2+X_3in{2,3,4}$.
With inclusion/exclusion and symmetry we find:$$P(Acup Bcup C)=3P(A)-3P(Acap B)+P(Acap Bcap C)$$
Can you find these terms on RHS yourself?
If you calculate them correctly then your answer will be:$$3cdotfrac6{36}-3cdotfrac{14}{216}+frac{11}{216}=frac{77}{216}$$
edited Jan 3 at 12:40
answered Jan 3 at 12:13
drhabdrhab
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Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:42
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Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:50
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You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:52
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If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:59
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Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 13:08
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show 7 more comments
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Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:42
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Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:50
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You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:52
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If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:59
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Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 13:08
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Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:42
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Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:42
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Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:50
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Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
$endgroup$
– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:50
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You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:52
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You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:52
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If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:59
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If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
$endgroup$
– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:59
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Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 13:08
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Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 13:08
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show 7 more comments
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You can't add the probability of non-mutually exclusive events like that. Suppose there were $10$ dice, so $binom {10}2=45$ pairs. Your method would give an answer greater than $1$.
Best here is brute force counting.
Counting the winning triples requires attention because there is a lot of overlap and because not all of them have the same number of permutations.
$6$ permutations: $${1,2,3}quad {1,2,4}quad{1,2,5}quad{1,2,6}$$
$${1,3,4}quad {1,3,5}quad{1,3,6}$$
$3$ permutations: $${1,1,2}quad {1,1,3}quad{1,1,4}quad{1,1,5}quad {1,1,6}$$
$${1,2,2}quad {2,2,3}quad {2,2,4}quad{2,2,5}quad{2,2,6}$$
$${1,3,3}$$
$1$ permutation: $${1,1,1}quad {2,2,2}$$
Thus there are $$6times 7+3times 11+ 1times 2=77$$ (ordered) winning triples. As there are $6^3=216$ unrestricted ordered triples, the answer is $$boxed {frac {77}{216}=.35648}$$
CAUTION: one problem with brute force enumeration is that it is quite error prone; it's hard to be sure you didn't miss a case or two. Check my list carefully. The first version of it left off two patterns and there might well be other errors that are still present.
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Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:17
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@PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
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– lulu
Jan 3 at 12:21
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It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:28
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@drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
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– lulu
Jan 3 at 12:34
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@Lulu. Thank you.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:37
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You can't add the probability of non-mutually exclusive events like that. Suppose there were $10$ dice, so $binom {10}2=45$ pairs. Your method would give an answer greater than $1$.
Best here is brute force counting.
Counting the winning triples requires attention because there is a lot of overlap and because not all of them have the same number of permutations.
$6$ permutations: $${1,2,3}quad {1,2,4}quad{1,2,5}quad{1,2,6}$$
$${1,3,4}quad {1,3,5}quad{1,3,6}$$
$3$ permutations: $${1,1,2}quad {1,1,3}quad{1,1,4}quad{1,1,5}quad {1,1,6}$$
$${1,2,2}quad {2,2,3}quad {2,2,4}quad{2,2,5}quad{2,2,6}$$
$${1,3,3}$$
$1$ permutation: $${1,1,1}quad {2,2,2}$$
Thus there are $$6times 7+3times 11+ 1times 2=77$$ (ordered) winning triples. As there are $6^3=216$ unrestricted ordered triples, the answer is $$boxed {frac {77}{216}=.35648}$$
CAUTION: one problem with brute force enumeration is that it is quite error prone; it's hard to be sure you didn't miss a case or two. Check my list carefully. The first version of it left off two patterns and there might well be other errors that are still present.
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Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:17
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@PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
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– lulu
Jan 3 at 12:21
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It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:28
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@drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
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– lulu
Jan 3 at 12:34
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@Lulu. Thank you.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:37
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show 4 more comments
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You can't add the probability of non-mutually exclusive events like that. Suppose there were $10$ dice, so $binom {10}2=45$ pairs. Your method would give an answer greater than $1$.
Best here is brute force counting.
Counting the winning triples requires attention because there is a lot of overlap and because not all of them have the same number of permutations.
$6$ permutations: $${1,2,3}quad {1,2,4}quad{1,2,5}quad{1,2,6}$$
$${1,3,4}quad {1,3,5}quad{1,3,6}$$
$3$ permutations: $${1,1,2}quad {1,1,3}quad{1,1,4}quad{1,1,5}quad {1,1,6}$$
$${1,2,2}quad {2,2,3}quad {2,2,4}quad{2,2,5}quad{2,2,6}$$
$${1,3,3}$$
$1$ permutation: $${1,1,1}quad {2,2,2}$$
Thus there are $$6times 7+3times 11+ 1times 2=77$$ (ordered) winning triples. As there are $6^3=216$ unrestricted ordered triples, the answer is $$boxed {frac {77}{216}=.35648}$$
CAUTION: one problem with brute force enumeration is that it is quite error prone; it's hard to be sure you didn't miss a case or two. Check my list carefully. The first version of it left off two patterns and there might well be other errors that are still present.
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You can't add the probability of non-mutually exclusive events like that. Suppose there were $10$ dice, so $binom {10}2=45$ pairs. Your method would give an answer greater than $1$.
Best here is brute force counting.
Counting the winning triples requires attention because there is a lot of overlap and because not all of them have the same number of permutations.
$6$ permutations: $${1,2,3}quad {1,2,4}quad{1,2,5}quad{1,2,6}$$
$${1,3,4}quad {1,3,5}quad{1,3,6}$$
$3$ permutations: $${1,1,2}quad {1,1,3}quad{1,1,4}quad{1,1,5}quad {1,1,6}$$
$${1,2,2}quad {2,2,3}quad {2,2,4}quad{2,2,5}quad{2,2,6}$$
$${1,3,3}$$
$1$ permutation: $${1,1,1}quad {2,2,2}$$
Thus there are $$6times 7+3times 11+ 1times 2=77$$ (ordered) winning triples. As there are $6^3=216$ unrestricted ordered triples, the answer is $$boxed {frac {77}{216}=.35648}$$
CAUTION: one problem with brute force enumeration is that it is quite error prone; it's hard to be sure you didn't miss a case or two. Check my list carefully. The first version of it left off two patterns and there might well be other errors that are still present.
edited Jan 3 at 12:09
answered Jan 3 at 12:03
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Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:17
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@PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
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– lulu
Jan 3 at 12:21
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It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:28
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@drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
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– lulu
Jan 3 at 12:34
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@Lulu. Thank you.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:37
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Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:17
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@PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
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– lulu
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It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:28
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@drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
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– lulu
Jan 3 at 12:34
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@Lulu. Thank you.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:37
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Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:17
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Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:17
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@PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
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– lulu
Jan 3 at 12:21
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@PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
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– lulu
Jan 3 at 12:21
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It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:28
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It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
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– drhab
Jan 3 at 12:28
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@drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
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– lulu
Jan 3 at 12:34
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@drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
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– lulu
Jan 3 at 12:34
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@Lulu. Thank you.
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 3 at 12:37
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@Lulu. Thank you.
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Another way to brute force:
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c}
D_1&D_2&D_3&Total\
hline
1&1-3&1-6&18\
1&4-6&1-3&9\
2&1-2&1-6&12\
2&3-6&1-2&8\
3&1&1-6&6\
3&2&1-2&2\
3&3-6&1&4\
4-6&1&1-3&9\
4-6&2&1-2&6\
4-6&3&1&3\
hline
&&&77
end{array}$$
Hence the required probability is $frac{77}{6^3}$.
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How do you calculate each linie?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 4 at 8:07
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Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
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– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:08
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Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
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– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:09
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Another way to brute force:
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c}
D_1&D_2&D_3&Total\
hline
1&1-3&1-6&18\
1&4-6&1-3&9\
2&1-2&1-6&12\
2&3-6&1-2&8\
3&1&1-6&6\
3&2&1-2&2\
3&3-6&1&4\
4-6&1&1-3&9\
4-6&2&1-2&6\
4-6&3&1&3\
hline
&&&77
end{array}$$
Hence the required probability is $frac{77}{6^3}$.
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How do you calculate each linie?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 4 at 8:07
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Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
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– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:08
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Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
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– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:09
add a comment |
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Another way to brute force:
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c}
D_1&D_2&D_3&Total\
hline
1&1-3&1-6&18\
1&4-6&1-3&9\
2&1-2&1-6&12\
2&3-6&1-2&8\
3&1&1-6&6\
3&2&1-2&2\
3&3-6&1&4\
4-6&1&1-3&9\
4-6&2&1-2&6\
4-6&3&1&3\
hline
&&&77
end{array}$$
Hence the required probability is $frac{77}{6^3}$.
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Another way to brute force:
$$begin{array}{c|c|c|c}
D_1&D_2&D_3&Total\
hline
1&1-3&1-6&18\
1&4-6&1-3&9\
2&1-2&1-6&12\
2&3-6&1-2&8\
3&1&1-6&6\
3&2&1-2&2\
3&3-6&1&4\
4-6&1&1-3&9\
4-6&2&1-2&6\
4-6&3&1&3\
hline
&&&77
end{array}$$
Hence the required probability is $frac{77}{6^3}$.
answered Jan 3 at 13:26
farruhotafarruhota
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21.8k2842
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How do you calculate each linie?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 4 at 8:07
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Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
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– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:08
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Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
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– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:09
add a comment |
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How do you calculate each linie?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 4 at 8:07
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Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
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– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:08
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Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
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– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:09
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How do you calculate each linie?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 4 at 8:07
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How do you calculate each linie?
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– Peter Lageri
Jan 4 at 8:07
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Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
$endgroup$
– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:08
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Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
$endgroup$
– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:08
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Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
$endgroup$
– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:09
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Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
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– farruhota
Jan 4 at 10:09
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