Three red dice. Sum of any two of them must be 2,3 or 4. What is the probability of that?












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I have a boardgame call Enemy Coast Ahead: The Dambusters in which enemy FLaK poses a major problem.



Under some circumstances the game "AI" throws three instead of two dice and if the sum of any two of them is within a certain interval a hit is scored. Furthermore if doubles are rolled and that gives a hit the doubles are re-rolled. If that is a hit but not a re-roll the hit is score and then it stops. If that is a hit and a double hit is score and another re-roll follows.



For starters I'd just like to know the probability of the sum of the two dice being 2,3 or 4 when rolling three dice.



As I see it(and I have not idea whether I right): Dice 1,2 and 3, denoted A, B and C can roll a lethal combbination as AB, BC or AC.



At Flak Level 1 the lethal range is 2-4. That gives 1/36 + 2/36 + 3/36=6/36 =1/6 for a Hit.



Using three dice and combinations AB, DC and AC just one of them is enough for a hit so since OR goes into it we get 1/6 for each 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 = 1/2.



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    I have a boardgame call Enemy Coast Ahead: The Dambusters in which enemy FLaK poses a major problem.



    Under some circumstances the game "AI" throws three instead of two dice and if the sum of any two of them is within a certain interval a hit is scored. Furthermore if doubles are rolled and that gives a hit the doubles are re-rolled. If that is a hit but not a re-roll the hit is score and then it stops. If that is a hit and a double hit is score and another re-roll follows.



    For starters I'd just like to know the probability of the sum of the two dice being 2,3 or 4 when rolling three dice.



    As I see it(and I have not idea whether I right): Dice 1,2 and 3, denoted A, B and C can roll a lethal combbination as AB, BC or AC.



    At Flak Level 1 the lethal range is 2-4. That gives 1/36 + 2/36 + 3/36=6/36 =1/6 for a Hit.



    Using three dice and combinations AB, DC and AC just one of them is enough for a hit so since OR goes into it we get 1/6 for each 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 = 1/2.



    Best Regards
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      I have a boardgame call Enemy Coast Ahead: The Dambusters in which enemy FLaK poses a major problem.



      Under some circumstances the game "AI" throws three instead of two dice and if the sum of any two of them is within a certain interval a hit is scored. Furthermore if doubles are rolled and that gives a hit the doubles are re-rolled. If that is a hit but not a re-roll the hit is score and then it stops. If that is a hit and a double hit is score and another re-roll follows.



      For starters I'd just like to know the probability of the sum of the two dice being 2,3 or 4 when rolling three dice.



      As I see it(and I have not idea whether I right): Dice 1,2 and 3, denoted A, B and C can roll a lethal combbination as AB, BC or AC.



      At Flak Level 1 the lethal range is 2-4. That gives 1/36 + 2/36 + 3/36=6/36 =1/6 for a Hit.



      Using three dice and combinations AB, DC and AC just one of them is enough for a hit so since OR goes into it we get 1/6 for each 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 = 1/2.



      Best Regards
      Peter










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      I have a boardgame call Enemy Coast Ahead: The Dambusters in which enemy FLaK poses a major problem.



      Under some circumstances the game "AI" throws three instead of two dice and if the sum of any two of them is within a certain interval a hit is scored. Furthermore if doubles are rolled and that gives a hit the doubles are re-rolled. If that is a hit but not a re-roll the hit is score and then it stops. If that is a hit and a double hit is score and another re-roll follows.



      For starters I'd just like to know the probability of the sum of the two dice being 2,3 or 4 when rolling three dice.



      As I see it(and I have not idea whether I right): Dice 1,2 and 3, denoted A, B and C can roll a lethal combbination as AB, BC or AC.



      At Flak Level 1 the lethal range is 2-4. That gives 1/36 + 2/36 + 3/36=6/36 =1/6 for a Hit.



      Using three dice and combinations AB, DC and AC just one of them is enough for a hit so since OR goes into it we get 1/6 for each 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 = 1/2.



      Best Regards
      Peter







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          Let $A$ denote the event that $X_1+X_2in{2,3,4}$.



          Let $B$ denote the event that $X_1+X_3in{2,3,4}$.



          Let $C$ denote the event that $X_2+X_3in{2,3,4}$.



          With inclusion/exclusion and symmetry we find:$$P(Acup Bcup C)=3P(A)-3P(Acap B)+P(Acap Bcap C)$$



          Can you find these terms on RHS yourself?



          If you calculate them correctly then your answer will be:$$3cdotfrac6{36}-3cdotfrac{14}{216}+frac{11}{216}=frac{77}{216}$$






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            Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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            Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
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            You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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            If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
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            Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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          You can't add the probability of non-mutually exclusive events like that. Suppose there were $10$ dice, so $binom {10}2=45$ pairs. Your method would give an answer greater than $1$.



          Best here is brute force counting.



          Counting the winning triples requires attention because there is a lot of overlap and because not all of them have the same number of permutations.



          $6$ permutations: $${1,2,3}quad {1,2,4}quad{1,2,5}quad{1,2,6}$$
          $${1,3,4}quad {1,3,5}quad{1,3,6}$$



          $3$ permutations: $${1,1,2}quad {1,1,3}quad{1,1,4}quad{1,1,5}quad {1,1,6}$$
          $${1,2,2}quad {2,2,3}quad {2,2,4}quad{2,2,5}quad{2,2,6}$$
          $${1,3,3}$$



          $1$ permutation: $${1,1,1}quad {2,2,2}$$



          Thus there are $$6times 7+3times 11+ 1times 2=77$$ (ordered) winning triples. As there are $6^3=216$ unrestricted ordered triples, the answer is $$boxed {frac {77}{216}=.35648}$$



          CAUTION: one problem with brute force enumeration is that it is quite error prone; it's hard to be sure you didn't miss a case or two. Check my list carefully. The first version of it left off two patterns and there might well be other errors that are still present.






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            Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
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            @PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
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            It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
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            @drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
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            @Lulu. Thank you.
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          Another way to brute force:
          $$begin{array}{c|c|c|c}
          D_1&D_2&D_3&Total\
          hline
          1&1-3&1-6&18\
          1&4-6&1-3&9\
          2&1-2&1-6&12\
          2&3-6&1-2&8\
          3&1&1-6&6\
          3&2&1-2&2\
          3&3-6&1&4\
          4-6&1&1-3&9\
          4-6&2&1-2&6\
          4-6&3&1&3\
          hline
          &&&77
          end{array}$$

          Hence the required probability is $frac{77}{6^3}$.






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            How do you calculate each linie?
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            Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
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            Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
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          Let $A$ denote the event that $X_1+X_2in{2,3,4}$.



          Let $B$ denote the event that $X_1+X_3in{2,3,4}$.



          Let $C$ denote the event that $X_2+X_3in{2,3,4}$.



          With inclusion/exclusion and symmetry we find:$$P(Acup Bcup C)=3P(A)-3P(Acap B)+P(Acap Bcap C)$$



          Can you find these terms on RHS yourself?



          If you calculate them correctly then your answer will be:$$3cdotfrac6{36}-3cdotfrac{14}{216}+frac{11}{216}=frac{77}{216}$$






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            Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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            Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
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            You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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            If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
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            Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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          Let $A$ denote the event that $X_1+X_2in{2,3,4}$.



          Let $B$ denote the event that $X_1+X_3in{2,3,4}$.



          Let $C$ denote the event that $X_2+X_3in{2,3,4}$.



          With inclusion/exclusion and symmetry we find:$$P(Acup Bcup C)=3P(A)-3P(Acap B)+P(Acap Bcap C)$$



          Can you find these terms on RHS yourself?



          If you calculate them correctly then your answer will be:$$3cdotfrac6{36}-3cdotfrac{14}{216}+frac{11}{216}=frac{77}{216}$$






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            Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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            Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
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            You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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            If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
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            Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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          Let $A$ denote the event that $X_1+X_2in{2,3,4}$.



          Let $B$ denote the event that $X_1+X_3in{2,3,4}$.



          Let $C$ denote the event that $X_2+X_3in{2,3,4}$.



          With inclusion/exclusion and symmetry we find:$$P(Acup Bcup C)=3P(A)-3P(Acap B)+P(Acap Bcap C)$$



          Can you find these terms on RHS yourself?



          If you calculate them correctly then your answer will be:$$3cdotfrac6{36}-3cdotfrac{14}{216}+frac{11}{216}=frac{77}{216}$$






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          Let $A$ denote the event that $X_1+X_2in{2,3,4}$.



          Let $B$ denote the event that $X_1+X_3in{2,3,4}$.



          Let $C$ denote the event that $X_2+X_3in{2,3,4}$.



          With inclusion/exclusion and symmetry we find:$$P(Acup Bcup C)=3P(A)-3P(Acap B)+P(Acap Bcap C)$$



          Can you find these terms on RHS yourself?



          If you calculate them correctly then your answer will be:$$3cdotfrac6{36}-3cdotfrac{14}{216}+frac{11}{216}=frac{77}{216}$$







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            Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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            Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
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            You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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            If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
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            Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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            – Peter Lageri
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            Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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            – Peter Lageri
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            Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
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            – Peter Lageri
            Jan 3 at 12:50










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            You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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            If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
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            Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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          Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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          $begingroup$
          Argh! How do I read that P(A.... ? Is that "Set Theory"?
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          $begingroup$
          Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
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          – Peter Lageri
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          $begingroup$
          Is there something I should read to understand that? Its some 35 years since I went to school.
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          $begingroup$
          You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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          $begingroup$
          You should read $P(A)=P(X_1+X_2text { equals }2, 3text{ or }4)$. Here $A$ is indeed a set. A subset of the outcome space actually. It concerns the underlying theory for probability. If you want to endeepen then go looking for "probability space" on e.g. Wikipedia.
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          If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
          $endgroup$
          – drhab
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          $begingroup$
          If this goes too deep then you better accept the answer of lulu.
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          Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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          – Peter Lageri
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          $begingroup$
          Why 3P? Because there are three numbers that interest us? Was 6 in 6/36 found by brute force or calculated and if yes how? I would like to understand.
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          You can't add the probability of non-mutually exclusive events like that. Suppose there were $10$ dice, so $binom {10}2=45$ pairs. Your method would give an answer greater than $1$.



          Best here is brute force counting.



          Counting the winning triples requires attention because there is a lot of overlap and because not all of them have the same number of permutations.



          $6$ permutations: $${1,2,3}quad {1,2,4}quad{1,2,5}quad{1,2,6}$$
          $${1,3,4}quad {1,3,5}quad{1,3,6}$$



          $3$ permutations: $${1,1,2}quad {1,1,3}quad{1,1,4}quad{1,1,5}quad {1,1,6}$$
          $${1,2,2}quad {2,2,3}quad {2,2,4}quad{2,2,5}quad{2,2,6}$$
          $${1,3,3}$$



          $1$ permutation: $${1,1,1}quad {2,2,2}$$



          Thus there are $$6times 7+3times 11+ 1times 2=77$$ (ordered) winning triples. As there are $6^3=216$ unrestricted ordered triples, the answer is $$boxed {frac {77}{216}=.35648}$$



          CAUTION: one problem with brute force enumeration is that it is quite error prone; it's hard to be sure you didn't miss a case or two. Check my list carefully. The first version of it left off two patterns and there might well be other errors that are still present.






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            Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
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            @PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
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            It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
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            @drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
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            @Lulu. Thank you.
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          You can't add the probability of non-mutually exclusive events like that. Suppose there were $10$ dice, so $binom {10}2=45$ pairs. Your method would give an answer greater than $1$.



          Best here is brute force counting.



          Counting the winning triples requires attention because there is a lot of overlap and because not all of them have the same number of permutations.



          $6$ permutations: $${1,2,3}quad {1,2,4}quad{1,2,5}quad{1,2,6}$$
          $${1,3,4}quad {1,3,5}quad{1,3,6}$$



          $3$ permutations: $${1,1,2}quad {1,1,3}quad{1,1,4}quad{1,1,5}quad {1,1,6}$$
          $${1,2,2}quad {2,2,3}quad {2,2,4}quad{2,2,5}quad{2,2,6}$$
          $${1,3,3}$$



          $1$ permutation: $${1,1,1}quad {2,2,2}$$



          Thus there are $$6times 7+3times 11+ 1times 2=77$$ (ordered) winning triples. As there are $6^3=216$ unrestricted ordered triples, the answer is $$boxed {frac {77}{216}=.35648}$$



          CAUTION: one problem with brute force enumeration is that it is quite error prone; it's hard to be sure you didn't miss a case or two. Check my list carefully. The first version of it left off two patterns and there might well be other errors that are still present.






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            Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
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            @PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
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            It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
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            – drhab
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          • $begingroup$
            @drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
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            – lulu
            Jan 3 at 12:34










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            @Lulu. Thank you.
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            Jan 3 at 12:37














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          You can't add the probability of non-mutually exclusive events like that. Suppose there were $10$ dice, so $binom {10}2=45$ pairs. Your method would give an answer greater than $1$.



          Best here is brute force counting.



          Counting the winning triples requires attention because there is a lot of overlap and because not all of them have the same number of permutations.



          $6$ permutations: $${1,2,3}quad {1,2,4}quad{1,2,5}quad{1,2,6}$$
          $${1,3,4}quad {1,3,5}quad{1,3,6}$$



          $3$ permutations: $${1,1,2}quad {1,1,3}quad{1,1,4}quad{1,1,5}quad {1,1,6}$$
          $${1,2,2}quad {2,2,3}quad {2,2,4}quad{2,2,5}quad{2,2,6}$$
          $${1,3,3}$$



          $1$ permutation: $${1,1,1}quad {2,2,2}$$



          Thus there are $$6times 7+3times 11+ 1times 2=77$$ (ordered) winning triples. As there are $6^3=216$ unrestricted ordered triples, the answer is $$boxed {frac {77}{216}=.35648}$$



          CAUTION: one problem with brute force enumeration is that it is quite error prone; it's hard to be sure you didn't miss a case or two. Check my list carefully. The first version of it left off two patterns and there might well be other errors that are still present.






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          You can't add the probability of non-mutually exclusive events like that. Suppose there were $10$ dice, so $binom {10}2=45$ pairs. Your method would give an answer greater than $1$.



          Best here is brute force counting.



          Counting the winning triples requires attention because there is a lot of overlap and because not all of them have the same number of permutations.



          $6$ permutations: $${1,2,3}quad {1,2,4}quad{1,2,5}quad{1,2,6}$$
          $${1,3,4}quad {1,3,5}quad{1,3,6}$$



          $3$ permutations: $${1,1,2}quad {1,1,3}quad{1,1,4}quad{1,1,5}quad {1,1,6}$$
          $${1,2,2}quad {2,2,3}quad {2,2,4}quad{2,2,5}quad{2,2,6}$$
          $${1,3,3}$$



          $1$ permutation: $${1,1,1}quad {2,2,2}$$



          Thus there are $$6times 7+3times 11+ 1times 2=77$$ (ordered) winning triples. As there are $6^3=216$ unrestricted ordered triples, the answer is $$boxed {frac {77}{216}=.35648}$$



          CAUTION: one problem with brute force enumeration is that it is quite error prone; it's hard to be sure you didn't miss a case or two. Check my list carefully. The first version of it left off two patterns and there might well be other errors that are still present.







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          answered Jan 3 at 12:03









          lulululu

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          • $begingroup$
            Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
            $endgroup$
            – Peter Lageri
            Jan 3 at 12:17










          • $begingroup$
            @PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
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            – lulu
            Jan 3 at 12:21










          • $begingroup$
            It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
            $endgroup$
            – drhab
            Jan 3 at 12:28










          • $begingroup$
            @drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
            $endgroup$
            – lulu
            Jan 3 at 12:34










          • $begingroup$
            @Lulu. Thank you.
            $endgroup$
            – Peter Lageri
            Jan 3 at 12:37


















          • $begingroup$
            Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
            $endgroup$
            – Peter Lageri
            Jan 3 at 12:17










          • $begingroup$
            @PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
            $endgroup$
            – lulu
            Jan 3 at 12:21










          • $begingroup$
            It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
            $endgroup$
            – drhab
            Jan 3 at 12:28










          • $begingroup$
            @drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
            $endgroup$
            – lulu
            Jan 3 at 12:34










          • $begingroup$
            @Lulu. Thank you.
            $endgroup$
            – Peter Lageri
            Jan 3 at 12:37
















          $begingroup$
          Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
          $endgroup$
          – Peter Lageri
          Jan 3 at 12:17




          $begingroup$
          Ok, thank you. Why is it called 6 permutations and 3 permutations?
          $endgroup$
          – Peter Lageri
          Jan 3 at 12:17












          $begingroup$
          @PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
          $endgroup$
          – lulu
          Jan 3 at 12:21




          $begingroup$
          @PeterLageri I am writing down unordered triples and the $6,3,1$ refer to the number of ways to order them. ${1,2,3}$ for instance can be ordered $6$ ways, as $(1,2,3),(1,3,2),(2,1,3), (2,3,1), (3,1,2), (3,2,1)$. While ${1,1,2}$ can only be ordered in $3$ ways and ${1,1,1}$ only has $1$ order.
          $endgroup$
          – lulu
          Jan 3 at 12:21












          $begingroup$
          It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
          $endgroup$
          – drhab
          Jan 3 at 12:28




          $begingroup$
          It is correct, lulu (unless. ...:-)
          $endgroup$
          – drhab
          Jan 3 at 12:28












          $begingroup$
          @drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
          $endgroup$
          – lulu
          Jan 3 at 12:34




          $begingroup$
          @drhab Seriously. I thought it would be a simple enumeration...can't think when I last made so many blunders. Glad to see the alternate computation you posted.
          $endgroup$
          – lulu
          Jan 3 at 12:34












          $begingroup$
          @Lulu. Thank you.
          $endgroup$
          – Peter Lageri
          Jan 3 at 12:37




          $begingroup$
          @Lulu. Thank you.
          $endgroup$
          – Peter Lageri
          Jan 3 at 12:37











          0












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          Another way to brute force:
          $$begin{array}{c|c|c|c}
          D_1&D_2&D_3&Total\
          hline
          1&1-3&1-6&18\
          1&4-6&1-3&9\
          2&1-2&1-6&12\
          2&3-6&1-2&8\
          3&1&1-6&6\
          3&2&1-2&2\
          3&3-6&1&4\
          4-6&1&1-3&9\
          4-6&2&1-2&6\
          4-6&3&1&3\
          hline
          &&&77
          end{array}$$

          Hence the required probability is $frac{77}{6^3}$.






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            How do you calculate each linie?
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            Jan 4 at 8:07










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            Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
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            – farruhota
            Jan 4 at 10:08










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            Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
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            – farruhota
            Jan 4 at 10:09
















          0












          $begingroup$

          Another way to brute force:
          $$begin{array}{c|c|c|c}
          D_1&D_2&D_3&Total\
          hline
          1&1-3&1-6&18\
          1&4-6&1-3&9\
          2&1-2&1-6&12\
          2&3-6&1-2&8\
          3&1&1-6&6\
          3&2&1-2&2\
          3&3-6&1&4\
          4-6&1&1-3&9\
          4-6&2&1-2&6\
          4-6&3&1&3\
          hline
          &&&77
          end{array}$$

          Hence the required probability is $frac{77}{6^3}$.






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          • $begingroup$
            How do you calculate each linie?
            $endgroup$
            – Peter Lageri
            Jan 4 at 8:07










          • $begingroup$
            Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
            $endgroup$
            – farruhota
            Jan 4 at 10:08










          • $begingroup$
            Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
            $endgroup$
            – farruhota
            Jan 4 at 10:09














          0












          0








          0





          $begingroup$

          Another way to brute force:
          $$begin{array}{c|c|c|c}
          D_1&D_2&D_3&Total\
          hline
          1&1-3&1-6&18\
          1&4-6&1-3&9\
          2&1-2&1-6&12\
          2&3-6&1-2&8\
          3&1&1-6&6\
          3&2&1-2&2\
          3&3-6&1&4\
          4-6&1&1-3&9\
          4-6&2&1-2&6\
          4-6&3&1&3\
          hline
          &&&77
          end{array}$$

          Hence the required probability is $frac{77}{6^3}$.






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          $endgroup$



          Another way to brute force:
          $$begin{array}{c|c|c|c}
          D_1&D_2&D_3&Total\
          hline
          1&1-3&1-6&18\
          1&4-6&1-3&9\
          2&1-2&1-6&12\
          2&3-6&1-2&8\
          3&1&1-6&6\
          3&2&1-2&2\
          3&3-6&1&4\
          4-6&1&1-3&9\
          4-6&2&1-2&6\
          4-6&3&1&3\
          hline
          &&&77
          end{array}$$

          Hence the required probability is $frac{77}{6^3}$.







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          answered Jan 3 at 13:26









          farruhotafarruhota

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            How do you calculate each linie?
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            – Peter Lageri
            Jan 4 at 8:07










          • $begingroup$
            Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
            $endgroup$
            – farruhota
            Jan 4 at 10:08










          • $begingroup$
            Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
            $endgroup$
            – farruhota
            Jan 4 at 10:09


















          • $begingroup$
            How do you calculate each linie?
            $endgroup$
            – Peter Lageri
            Jan 4 at 8:07










          • $begingroup$
            Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
            $endgroup$
            – farruhota
            Jan 4 at 10:08










          • $begingroup$
            Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
            $endgroup$
            – farruhota
            Jan 4 at 10:09
















          $begingroup$
          How do you calculate each linie?
          $endgroup$
          – Peter Lageri
          Jan 4 at 8:07




          $begingroup$
          How do you calculate each linie?
          $endgroup$
          – Peter Lageri
          Jan 4 at 8:07












          $begingroup$
          Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
          $endgroup$
          – farruhota
          Jan 4 at 10:08




          $begingroup$
          Line 7 triples are: $(3,3,1);(3,4,1);(3,5,1);(3,6,1)$.
          $endgroup$
          – farruhota
          Jan 4 at 10:08












          $begingroup$
          Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
          $endgroup$
          – farruhota
          Jan 4 at 10:09




          $begingroup$
          Last line are: $(4,3,1);(5,3,1);(6,3,1)$.
          $endgroup$
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