Find the range of $x$ so that $log_4{[log_{1/2}{(log_2x)}]}$'s behavior is defined [on hold]
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For any $log_a b$, $a>0$, $b>0$, and $a ne 1$. How do I work my way through multiple layers of this?
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For any $log_a b$, $a>0$, $b>0$, and $a ne 1$. How do I work my way through multiple layers of this?
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For any $log_a b$, $a>0$, $b>0$, and $a ne 1$. How do I work my way through multiple layers of this?
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For any $log_a b$, $a>0$, $b>0$, and $a ne 1$. How do I work my way through multiple layers of this?
logarithms
logarithms
edited Dec 12 '18 at 0:38
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I'll assume you're talking about the "maximal" subset of the reals that makes the expression defined.
$log_4$ only accepts values in $(0,+infty)$ so $log_frac{1}{2}$ must have its image as this set. since $log_frac{1}{2} cdot$ is identical to $-log_2 cdot$, we have that the parameters are between $2^{-0}$ and $2^{-infty} = 0$ (abuse of notation), with both $1$ and $0$ not included. Thus $log_2 x$ is between $1$ and $0$, so $x in (1, 2)$.
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I'm sorry but your answer is wrong. See wolframalpha.com/input/?i=log_4(log_%7B1%2F2%7D(log_2(x)))
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Dec 12 '18 at 1:14
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@TomislavOstojich, I got distracted. You're right; I've already fixed it. Thank you!
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– Lucas Henrique
Dec 12 '18 at 2:07
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You need $log_{1/2}{u} > 0$ and $log_{1/2}{u} = log_2(u)/log_{2}{1/2} = -log_2{u}$. So you really need $-log_{2}{u} > 0$. Because minus signs reverse inequalities this is asking for $log_{2}{u} < 0$. Taking $f(u) = 2^u$ on both sides gives $u < 1$.
Now $u = log_2{x}$ and the log must be non-negative for it to be a valid argument of $log_{1/2}{u}$, so $0 < log_2{x} < 1$. Applying $f(u) = 2^u$ on both sides gives $1 < x < 2$. That is the range of $x$ in which the iterated log is defined.
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Just exhale and do it.
For $log_2 x$ to exist we need $x > 0$.
For $log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)$ so exist we need $log_2 x > 0$ so $x > 2^0 = 1$.
For $log_4(log_{frac 12} (log_2 x))$ to exist we need $log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)> 0$ which (as $0< frac 12 < 1$) we need $log_2 x < frac 12^0=1$ so $x < 2^1=2$.
So we need $1< x < 2$.
Alternatively we can so $log_a^k M = frac {log_a M}{log_a a^k} = frac{log_a M}{k}$
$log_4(log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)) = frac {log_2(log_{frac 12}(log_2 x))}{2}=frac {log_2(-log_2(log_2 x))}2$
So $-log_2(log_2 x) < 0$ so $0< log_2 x < 1$ and so $1 < x < 2$
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I'll assume you're talking about the "maximal" subset of the reals that makes the expression defined.
$log_4$ only accepts values in $(0,+infty)$ so $log_frac{1}{2}$ must have its image as this set. since $log_frac{1}{2} cdot$ is identical to $-log_2 cdot$, we have that the parameters are between $2^{-0}$ and $2^{-infty} = 0$ (abuse of notation), with both $1$ and $0$ not included. Thus $log_2 x$ is between $1$ and $0$, so $x in (1, 2)$.
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I'm sorry but your answer is wrong. See wolframalpha.com/input/?i=log_4(log_%7B1%2F2%7D(log_2(x)))
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Dec 12 '18 at 1:14
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@TomislavOstojich, I got distracted. You're right; I've already fixed it. Thank you!
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– Lucas Henrique
Dec 12 '18 at 2:07
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I'll assume you're talking about the "maximal" subset of the reals that makes the expression defined.
$log_4$ only accepts values in $(0,+infty)$ so $log_frac{1}{2}$ must have its image as this set. since $log_frac{1}{2} cdot$ is identical to $-log_2 cdot$, we have that the parameters are between $2^{-0}$ and $2^{-infty} = 0$ (abuse of notation), with both $1$ and $0$ not included. Thus $log_2 x$ is between $1$ and $0$, so $x in (1, 2)$.
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I'm sorry but your answer is wrong. See wolframalpha.com/input/?i=log_4(log_%7B1%2F2%7D(log_2(x)))
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Dec 12 '18 at 1:14
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@TomislavOstojich, I got distracted. You're right; I've already fixed it. Thank you!
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– Lucas Henrique
Dec 12 '18 at 2:07
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I'll assume you're talking about the "maximal" subset of the reals that makes the expression defined.
$log_4$ only accepts values in $(0,+infty)$ so $log_frac{1}{2}$ must have its image as this set. since $log_frac{1}{2} cdot$ is identical to $-log_2 cdot$, we have that the parameters are between $2^{-0}$ and $2^{-infty} = 0$ (abuse of notation), with both $1$ and $0$ not included. Thus $log_2 x$ is between $1$ and $0$, so $x in (1, 2)$.
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I'll assume you're talking about the "maximal" subset of the reals that makes the expression defined.
$log_4$ only accepts values in $(0,+infty)$ so $log_frac{1}{2}$ must have its image as this set. since $log_frac{1}{2} cdot$ is identical to $-log_2 cdot$, we have that the parameters are between $2^{-0}$ and $2^{-infty} = 0$ (abuse of notation), with both $1$ and $0$ not included. Thus $log_2 x$ is between $1$ and $0$, so $x in (1, 2)$.
edited Dec 12 '18 at 1:41
answered Dec 12 '18 at 1:10
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I'm sorry but your answer is wrong. See wolframalpha.com/input/?i=log_4(log_%7B1%2F2%7D(log_2(x)))
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Dec 12 '18 at 1:14
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@TomislavOstojich, I got distracted. You're right; I've already fixed it. Thank you!
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– Lucas Henrique
Dec 12 '18 at 2:07
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I'm sorry but your answer is wrong. See wolframalpha.com/input/?i=log_4(log_%7B1%2F2%7D(log_2(x)))
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Dec 12 '18 at 1:14
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@TomislavOstojich, I got distracted. You're right; I've already fixed it. Thank you!
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– Lucas Henrique
Dec 12 '18 at 2:07
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I'm sorry but your answer is wrong. See wolframalpha.com/input/?i=log_4(log_%7B1%2F2%7D(log_2(x)))
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Dec 12 '18 at 1:14
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I'm sorry but your answer is wrong. See wolframalpha.com/input/?i=log_4(log_%7B1%2F2%7D(log_2(x)))
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– Tomislav Ostojich
Dec 12 '18 at 1:14
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@TomislavOstojich, I got distracted. You're right; I've already fixed it. Thank you!
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– Lucas Henrique
Dec 12 '18 at 2:07
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@TomislavOstojich, I got distracted. You're right; I've already fixed it. Thank you!
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– Lucas Henrique
Dec 12 '18 at 2:07
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You need $log_{1/2}{u} > 0$ and $log_{1/2}{u} = log_2(u)/log_{2}{1/2} = -log_2{u}$. So you really need $-log_{2}{u} > 0$. Because minus signs reverse inequalities this is asking for $log_{2}{u} < 0$. Taking $f(u) = 2^u$ on both sides gives $u < 1$.
Now $u = log_2{x}$ and the log must be non-negative for it to be a valid argument of $log_{1/2}{u}$, so $0 < log_2{x} < 1$. Applying $f(u) = 2^u$ on both sides gives $1 < x < 2$. That is the range of $x$ in which the iterated log is defined.
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You need $log_{1/2}{u} > 0$ and $log_{1/2}{u} = log_2(u)/log_{2}{1/2} = -log_2{u}$. So you really need $-log_{2}{u} > 0$. Because minus signs reverse inequalities this is asking for $log_{2}{u} < 0$. Taking $f(u) = 2^u$ on both sides gives $u < 1$.
Now $u = log_2{x}$ and the log must be non-negative for it to be a valid argument of $log_{1/2}{u}$, so $0 < log_2{x} < 1$. Applying $f(u) = 2^u$ on both sides gives $1 < x < 2$. That is the range of $x$ in which the iterated log is defined.
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You need $log_{1/2}{u} > 0$ and $log_{1/2}{u} = log_2(u)/log_{2}{1/2} = -log_2{u}$. So you really need $-log_{2}{u} > 0$. Because minus signs reverse inequalities this is asking for $log_{2}{u} < 0$. Taking $f(u) = 2^u$ on both sides gives $u < 1$.
Now $u = log_2{x}$ and the log must be non-negative for it to be a valid argument of $log_{1/2}{u}$, so $0 < log_2{x} < 1$. Applying $f(u) = 2^u$ on both sides gives $1 < x < 2$. That is the range of $x$ in which the iterated log is defined.
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You need $log_{1/2}{u} > 0$ and $log_{1/2}{u} = log_2(u)/log_{2}{1/2} = -log_2{u}$. So you really need $-log_{2}{u} > 0$. Because minus signs reverse inequalities this is asking for $log_{2}{u} < 0$. Taking $f(u) = 2^u$ on both sides gives $u < 1$.
Now $u = log_2{x}$ and the log must be non-negative for it to be a valid argument of $log_{1/2}{u}$, so $0 < log_2{x} < 1$. Applying $f(u) = 2^u$ on both sides gives $1 < x < 2$. That is the range of $x$ in which the iterated log is defined.
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answered Dec 12 '18 at 0:48
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Just exhale and do it.
For $log_2 x$ to exist we need $x > 0$.
For $log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)$ so exist we need $log_2 x > 0$ so $x > 2^0 = 1$.
For $log_4(log_{frac 12} (log_2 x))$ to exist we need $log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)> 0$ which (as $0< frac 12 < 1$) we need $log_2 x < frac 12^0=1$ so $x < 2^1=2$.
So we need $1< x < 2$.
Alternatively we can so $log_a^k M = frac {log_a M}{log_a a^k} = frac{log_a M}{k}$
$log_4(log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)) = frac {log_2(log_{frac 12}(log_2 x))}{2}=frac {log_2(-log_2(log_2 x))}2$
So $-log_2(log_2 x) < 0$ so $0< log_2 x < 1$ and so $1 < x < 2$
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Just exhale and do it.
For $log_2 x$ to exist we need $x > 0$.
For $log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)$ so exist we need $log_2 x > 0$ so $x > 2^0 = 1$.
For $log_4(log_{frac 12} (log_2 x))$ to exist we need $log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)> 0$ which (as $0< frac 12 < 1$) we need $log_2 x < frac 12^0=1$ so $x < 2^1=2$.
So we need $1< x < 2$.
Alternatively we can so $log_a^k M = frac {log_a M}{log_a a^k} = frac{log_a M}{k}$
$log_4(log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)) = frac {log_2(log_{frac 12}(log_2 x))}{2}=frac {log_2(-log_2(log_2 x))}2$
So $-log_2(log_2 x) < 0$ so $0< log_2 x < 1$ and so $1 < x < 2$
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Just exhale and do it.
For $log_2 x$ to exist we need $x > 0$.
For $log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)$ so exist we need $log_2 x > 0$ so $x > 2^0 = 1$.
For $log_4(log_{frac 12} (log_2 x))$ to exist we need $log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)> 0$ which (as $0< frac 12 < 1$) we need $log_2 x < frac 12^0=1$ so $x < 2^1=2$.
So we need $1< x < 2$.
Alternatively we can so $log_a^k M = frac {log_a M}{log_a a^k} = frac{log_a M}{k}$
$log_4(log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)) = frac {log_2(log_{frac 12}(log_2 x))}{2}=frac {log_2(-log_2(log_2 x))}2$
So $-log_2(log_2 x) < 0$ so $0< log_2 x < 1$ and so $1 < x < 2$
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Just exhale and do it.
For $log_2 x$ to exist we need $x > 0$.
For $log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)$ so exist we need $log_2 x > 0$ so $x > 2^0 = 1$.
For $log_4(log_{frac 12} (log_2 x))$ to exist we need $log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)> 0$ which (as $0< frac 12 < 1$) we need $log_2 x < frac 12^0=1$ so $x < 2^1=2$.
So we need $1< x < 2$.
Alternatively we can so $log_a^k M = frac {log_a M}{log_a a^k} = frac{log_a M}{k}$
$log_4(log_{frac 12} (log_2 x)) = frac {log_2(log_{frac 12}(log_2 x))}{2}=frac {log_2(-log_2(log_2 x))}2$
So $-log_2(log_2 x) < 0$ so $0< log_2 x < 1$ and so $1 < x < 2$
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