Which of the $43,380$ possible nets for a dodecahedron is the narrowest?











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I want to fit multiple regular dodecahedron nets on to an infinitely long roll of paper. I want this to result in the largest possible dodecahedrons, for a roll of a given width.



My hunch is that the longer and narrower the net, the larger the dodecahedron I can produce; proving this one way or the other might be an interesting side-exercise.



My main question for now is simply: for a given size of pentagon, which of the $43,380$ possible nets for a regular dodecahedron fits into the narrowest rectangle?










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  • In my answer I interpreted your request as "find the rectangle of smallest area". Are you instead looking for the narrowest rectangle, doesn't matter how long it is?
    – Aretino
    Jan 31 '16 at 22:44










  • Yes, the narrowest, not the smallest area. I want to make the biggest dodecahedron possible for a strip of given width.
    – Oolong
    Feb 4 '16 at 16:40










  • See my edited answer.
    – Aretino
    Feb 4 '16 at 20:51










  • Okay, I guess my question was still not totally unambiguous. When I said 'a strip of paper', I meant to suggest that the length of the strip (which is what you've focused on in the edited answer) is irrelevant; I'm only interested in the width, which is to say the shorter dimension of the rectangle.
    – Oolong
    Feb 5 '16 at 8:55










  • I don't understand: 4.02874 is precisely the length of the shortest side of the rectangle.
    – Aretino
    Feb 5 '16 at 10:45

















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I want to fit multiple regular dodecahedron nets on to an infinitely long roll of paper. I want this to result in the largest possible dodecahedrons, for a roll of a given width.



My hunch is that the longer and narrower the net, the larger the dodecahedron I can produce; proving this one way or the other might be an interesting side-exercise.



My main question for now is simply: for a given size of pentagon, which of the $43,380$ possible nets for a regular dodecahedron fits into the narrowest rectangle?










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  • In my answer I interpreted your request as "find the rectangle of smallest area". Are you instead looking for the narrowest rectangle, doesn't matter how long it is?
    – Aretino
    Jan 31 '16 at 22:44










  • Yes, the narrowest, not the smallest area. I want to make the biggest dodecahedron possible for a strip of given width.
    – Oolong
    Feb 4 '16 at 16:40










  • See my edited answer.
    – Aretino
    Feb 4 '16 at 20:51










  • Okay, I guess my question was still not totally unambiguous. When I said 'a strip of paper', I meant to suggest that the length of the strip (which is what you've focused on in the edited answer) is irrelevant; I'm only interested in the width, which is to say the shorter dimension of the rectangle.
    – Oolong
    Feb 5 '16 at 8:55










  • I don't understand: 4.02874 is precisely the length of the shortest side of the rectangle.
    – Aretino
    Feb 5 '16 at 10:45















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I want to fit multiple regular dodecahedron nets on to an infinitely long roll of paper. I want this to result in the largest possible dodecahedrons, for a roll of a given width.



My hunch is that the longer and narrower the net, the larger the dodecahedron I can produce; proving this one way or the other might be an interesting side-exercise.



My main question for now is simply: for a given size of pentagon, which of the $43,380$ possible nets for a regular dodecahedron fits into the narrowest rectangle?










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I want to fit multiple regular dodecahedron nets on to an infinitely long roll of paper. I want this to result in the largest possible dodecahedrons, for a roll of a given width.



My hunch is that the longer and narrower the net, the larger the dodecahedron I can produce; proving this one way or the other might be an interesting side-exercise.



My main question for now is simply: for a given size of pentagon, which of the $43,380$ possible nets for a regular dodecahedron fits into the narrowest rectangle?







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  • In my answer I interpreted your request as "find the rectangle of smallest area". Are you instead looking for the narrowest rectangle, doesn't matter how long it is?
    – Aretino
    Jan 31 '16 at 22:44










  • Yes, the narrowest, not the smallest area. I want to make the biggest dodecahedron possible for a strip of given width.
    – Oolong
    Feb 4 '16 at 16:40










  • See my edited answer.
    – Aretino
    Feb 4 '16 at 20:51










  • Okay, I guess my question was still not totally unambiguous. When I said 'a strip of paper', I meant to suggest that the length of the strip (which is what you've focused on in the edited answer) is irrelevant; I'm only interested in the width, which is to say the shorter dimension of the rectangle.
    – Oolong
    Feb 5 '16 at 8:55










  • I don't understand: 4.02874 is precisely the length of the shortest side of the rectangle.
    – Aretino
    Feb 5 '16 at 10:45




















  • In my answer I interpreted your request as "find the rectangle of smallest area". Are you instead looking for the narrowest rectangle, doesn't matter how long it is?
    – Aretino
    Jan 31 '16 at 22:44










  • Yes, the narrowest, not the smallest area. I want to make the biggest dodecahedron possible for a strip of given width.
    – Oolong
    Feb 4 '16 at 16:40










  • See my edited answer.
    – Aretino
    Feb 4 '16 at 20:51










  • Okay, I guess my question was still not totally unambiguous. When I said 'a strip of paper', I meant to suggest that the length of the strip (which is what you've focused on in the edited answer) is irrelevant; I'm only interested in the width, which is to say the shorter dimension of the rectangle.
    – Oolong
    Feb 5 '16 at 8:55










  • I don't understand: 4.02874 is precisely the length of the shortest side of the rectangle.
    – Aretino
    Feb 5 '16 at 10:45


















In my answer I interpreted your request as "find the rectangle of smallest area". Are you instead looking for the narrowest rectangle, doesn't matter how long it is?
– Aretino
Jan 31 '16 at 22:44




In my answer I interpreted your request as "find the rectangle of smallest area". Are you instead looking for the narrowest rectangle, doesn't matter how long it is?
– Aretino
Jan 31 '16 at 22:44












Yes, the narrowest, not the smallest area. I want to make the biggest dodecahedron possible for a strip of given width.
– Oolong
Feb 4 '16 at 16:40




Yes, the narrowest, not the smallest area. I want to make the biggest dodecahedron possible for a strip of given width.
– Oolong
Feb 4 '16 at 16:40












See my edited answer.
– Aretino
Feb 4 '16 at 20:51




See my edited answer.
– Aretino
Feb 4 '16 at 20:51












Okay, I guess my question was still not totally unambiguous. When I said 'a strip of paper', I meant to suggest that the length of the strip (which is what you've focused on in the edited answer) is irrelevant; I'm only interested in the width, which is to say the shorter dimension of the rectangle.
– Oolong
Feb 5 '16 at 8:55




Okay, I guess my question was still not totally unambiguous. When I said 'a strip of paper', I meant to suggest that the length of the strip (which is what you've focused on in the edited answer) is irrelevant; I'm only interested in the width, which is to say the shorter dimension of the rectangle.
– Oolong
Feb 5 '16 at 8:55












I don't understand: 4.02874 is precisely the length of the shortest side of the rectangle.
– Aretino
Feb 5 '16 at 10:45






I don't understand: 4.02874 is precisely the length of the shortest side of the rectangle.
– Aretino
Feb 5 '16 at 10:45












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Just as a starter, I propose the most obvious one. Area of rectangle is 32.89 if every edge of dodecahedron is of unit length.



enter image description here



EDIT.



If one is interested in the narrowest possible net, I think the above disposition is still the best one. Because the central "belt" of six pentagons (yellow in the picture below) cannot be altered without widening the net, and the other surrounding pentagons can be moved to other positions, but this doesn't narrow (at best) the witdth of the net (see possible new positions, in blue, of three pentagons). The width of this net is $sqrt{5+2sqrt5}(3+sqrt5)/4approx4.02874$ times the length of a single edge.



enter image description here



EDIT 2.



Inspired by net n° 9383 in Horiyama's list I could find a strip slightly narrower than the above, at the expense of having its border not parallel to any pentagon side (see picture). Its width is $approx 3.93448$.



enter image description here



EDIT 3.



Oolong discovered the best candidate, up to now: it is n° 43362 in the catalogue, corresponding to a width $approx 3.66547$.



enter image description here



EDIT 4.



Oolong discovered an even narrower net: it is n° 36753 in the catalogue, corresponding to a width $approx 3.3166$.
enter image description here



EDIT 5.



I performed an exhaustive search, using Mathematica and the complete collection of dodecahedron net centers in Mathematica format, which can be found at Horiyama's site. For every net I checked all the lines passing through two vertices: in case all the other vertices lied on the same side of the line, I then computed the distance from the line to the farthest vertex. The shortest of those distances is the "width" of the net.



Here are a few of the best results.



WIDTH     NET NUMBERS
3.07768 41382, 32924, 32920, 32511, 32494, 32492

3.26889 26440, 23967, 23620, 20027, 19706, 19668

3.3166 42665, 42591, 42549, 42546, 39271, 39268, 36753, 36743, 36717,
36716, 36607, 36598, 36581, 36445, 36439, 36408, 36390, 36304,
36298, 36267, 36264, 36263, 29579, 28755, 28742, 28741, 28740,
28734, 28496, 28489, 28488, 28456, 28434, 28433, 28432, 28416,
27807, 27806, 27805, 27729, 27728, 27727, 27674, 27673, 27672


Notice that the narrowest width can be computed exactly:
$3.07768=sqrt{5+2sqrt5}$.
Here's a picture of n° 41382, which is one of the "winners":
enter image description here



EDIT 6.



Here's the Mathematica code I used.



(* some definitions *)
lato=2Sin[Pi/5]//Simplify;
sqdist[a_,b_]:=(a-b).(a-b);
rot[a_,b_,t_]:=b+{{Cos[t],-Sin[t]},{Sin[t],Cos[t]}}.(a-b);
cross2[{ax_,ay_},{bx_,by_},{cx_,cy_}]:=(ax*by-ay*bx+bx*cy-cx*by+
cx*ay-cy*ax)/Sqrt[sqdist[{ax,ay},{bx,by}]];

(* main loop; "r04_n.math" are Horiyama's files *)
all={};
Do[
file="/path/r04_"<>ToString[n]<>".math";
Get[file];
net={};

Do[
If[sqdist[p[[i]],p[[k]]]==a^2//Simplify,
cmid=p[[i]]+(p[[k]]-p[[i]])/a;
start=rot[cmid,p[[i]],Pi/5]//Simplify;
pent=Table[rot[start,p[[k]],2j*Pi/5]//FullSimplify,{j,0,5}];
net=Append[net,pent];
pent=Table[rot[start,p[[i]],2j*Pi/5]//FullSimplify,{j,0,5}];
net=Append[net,pent]
],
{i,1,Length[p]-1},
{k,i+1,Length[p]}];

pts=Flatten[net,1]//N;
pts=Union[pts,SameTest -> (sqdist[#1,#2]<0.00001&)];

best=1000;
Do[
wid=-1;
flag=True;
Do[
t=cross2[pts[[i]],pts[[j]],pts[[k]]];
If[Abs[t]<0.0000001,Continue];
If[wid<0,wid0=Sign[t];wid=0];
If[t*wid0<-0.0000001,flag=False;Break];
If[Abs[t]>Abs[wid],wid=Abs[t]],
{k,1,Length[pts]}];

If[flag && wid/lato<best,best=wid/lato],
{i,1,Length[pts]-1},
{j,i+1,Length[pts]}];

AppendTo[all,{n,best}],

{n,1,43380}];

allsorted=Sort[all,#1[[2]]<#2[[2]]&]





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  • Oh, sure ... That's great for a rectangle that's narrow top-to-bottom. But what if we want a rectangle that's narrow left-to-right? :) (joke)
    – Blue
    Jan 31 '16 at 22:34












  • Hmm… Maybe I misinterpreted the request of the OP...
    – Aretino
    Jan 31 '16 at 23:05










  • Just replace your area calculation with a ratio. :)
    – Blue
    Jan 31 '16 at 23:51










  • Great edit with addition of 9383 and the linked to the exhaustive list… I wonder if that is the narrowest possible?
    – Benjohn
    Feb 5 '16 at 14:17












  • Possibly promising: 43362, 43224, 43172, 42665, 42591, 42546. Will investigate properly later, but I think 43,362 has a total width less than three times the length of each side. This is nice: al.ics.saitama-u.ac.jp/horiyama/research/unfolding/catalog/…
    – Oolong
    Feb 5 '16 at 18:41













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up vote
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Just as a starter, I propose the most obvious one. Area of rectangle is 32.89 if every edge of dodecahedron is of unit length.



enter image description here



EDIT.



If one is interested in the narrowest possible net, I think the above disposition is still the best one. Because the central "belt" of six pentagons (yellow in the picture below) cannot be altered without widening the net, and the other surrounding pentagons can be moved to other positions, but this doesn't narrow (at best) the witdth of the net (see possible new positions, in blue, of three pentagons). The width of this net is $sqrt{5+2sqrt5}(3+sqrt5)/4approx4.02874$ times the length of a single edge.



enter image description here



EDIT 2.



Inspired by net n° 9383 in Horiyama's list I could find a strip slightly narrower than the above, at the expense of having its border not parallel to any pentagon side (see picture). Its width is $approx 3.93448$.



enter image description here



EDIT 3.



Oolong discovered the best candidate, up to now: it is n° 43362 in the catalogue, corresponding to a width $approx 3.66547$.



enter image description here



EDIT 4.



Oolong discovered an even narrower net: it is n° 36753 in the catalogue, corresponding to a width $approx 3.3166$.
enter image description here



EDIT 5.



I performed an exhaustive search, using Mathematica and the complete collection of dodecahedron net centers in Mathematica format, which can be found at Horiyama's site. For every net I checked all the lines passing through two vertices: in case all the other vertices lied on the same side of the line, I then computed the distance from the line to the farthest vertex. The shortest of those distances is the "width" of the net.



Here are a few of the best results.



WIDTH     NET NUMBERS
3.07768 41382, 32924, 32920, 32511, 32494, 32492

3.26889 26440, 23967, 23620, 20027, 19706, 19668

3.3166 42665, 42591, 42549, 42546, 39271, 39268, 36753, 36743, 36717,
36716, 36607, 36598, 36581, 36445, 36439, 36408, 36390, 36304,
36298, 36267, 36264, 36263, 29579, 28755, 28742, 28741, 28740,
28734, 28496, 28489, 28488, 28456, 28434, 28433, 28432, 28416,
27807, 27806, 27805, 27729, 27728, 27727, 27674, 27673, 27672


Notice that the narrowest width can be computed exactly:
$3.07768=sqrt{5+2sqrt5}$.
Here's a picture of n° 41382, which is one of the "winners":
enter image description here



EDIT 6.



Here's the Mathematica code I used.



(* some definitions *)
lato=2Sin[Pi/5]//Simplify;
sqdist[a_,b_]:=(a-b).(a-b);
rot[a_,b_,t_]:=b+{{Cos[t],-Sin[t]},{Sin[t],Cos[t]}}.(a-b);
cross2[{ax_,ay_},{bx_,by_},{cx_,cy_}]:=(ax*by-ay*bx+bx*cy-cx*by+
cx*ay-cy*ax)/Sqrt[sqdist[{ax,ay},{bx,by}]];

(* main loop; "r04_n.math" are Horiyama's files *)
all={};
Do[
file="/path/r04_"<>ToString[n]<>".math";
Get[file];
net={};

Do[
If[sqdist[p[[i]],p[[k]]]==a^2//Simplify,
cmid=p[[i]]+(p[[k]]-p[[i]])/a;
start=rot[cmid,p[[i]],Pi/5]//Simplify;
pent=Table[rot[start,p[[k]],2j*Pi/5]//FullSimplify,{j,0,5}];
net=Append[net,pent];
pent=Table[rot[start,p[[i]],2j*Pi/5]//FullSimplify,{j,0,5}];
net=Append[net,pent]
],
{i,1,Length[p]-1},
{k,i+1,Length[p]}];

pts=Flatten[net,1]//N;
pts=Union[pts,SameTest -> (sqdist[#1,#2]<0.00001&)];

best=1000;
Do[
wid=-1;
flag=True;
Do[
t=cross2[pts[[i]],pts[[j]],pts[[k]]];
If[Abs[t]<0.0000001,Continue];
If[wid<0,wid0=Sign[t];wid=0];
If[t*wid0<-0.0000001,flag=False;Break];
If[Abs[t]>Abs[wid],wid=Abs[t]],
{k,1,Length[pts]}];

If[flag && wid/lato<best,best=wid/lato],
{i,1,Length[pts]-1},
{j,i+1,Length[pts]}];

AppendTo[all,{n,best}],

{n,1,43380}];

allsorted=Sort[all,#1[[2]]<#2[[2]]&]





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  • Oh, sure ... That's great for a rectangle that's narrow top-to-bottom. But what if we want a rectangle that's narrow left-to-right? :) (joke)
    – Blue
    Jan 31 '16 at 22:34












  • Hmm… Maybe I misinterpreted the request of the OP...
    – Aretino
    Jan 31 '16 at 23:05










  • Just replace your area calculation with a ratio. :)
    – Blue
    Jan 31 '16 at 23:51










  • Great edit with addition of 9383 and the linked to the exhaustive list… I wonder if that is the narrowest possible?
    – Benjohn
    Feb 5 '16 at 14:17












  • Possibly promising: 43362, 43224, 43172, 42665, 42591, 42546. Will investigate properly later, but I think 43,362 has a total width less than three times the length of each side. This is nice: al.ics.saitama-u.ac.jp/horiyama/research/unfolding/catalog/…
    – Oolong
    Feb 5 '16 at 18:41

















up vote
8
down vote



accepted










Just as a starter, I propose the most obvious one. Area of rectangle is 32.89 if every edge of dodecahedron is of unit length.



enter image description here



EDIT.



If one is interested in the narrowest possible net, I think the above disposition is still the best one. Because the central "belt" of six pentagons (yellow in the picture below) cannot be altered without widening the net, and the other surrounding pentagons can be moved to other positions, but this doesn't narrow (at best) the witdth of the net (see possible new positions, in blue, of three pentagons). The width of this net is $sqrt{5+2sqrt5}(3+sqrt5)/4approx4.02874$ times the length of a single edge.



enter image description here



EDIT 2.



Inspired by net n° 9383 in Horiyama's list I could find a strip slightly narrower than the above, at the expense of having its border not parallel to any pentagon side (see picture). Its width is $approx 3.93448$.



enter image description here



EDIT 3.



Oolong discovered the best candidate, up to now: it is n° 43362 in the catalogue, corresponding to a width $approx 3.66547$.



enter image description here



EDIT 4.



Oolong discovered an even narrower net: it is n° 36753 in the catalogue, corresponding to a width $approx 3.3166$.
enter image description here



EDIT 5.



I performed an exhaustive search, using Mathematica and the complete collection of dodecahedron net centers in Mathematica format, which can be found at Horiyama's site. For every net I checked all the lines passing through two vertices: in case all the other vertices lied on the same side of the line, I then computed the distance from the line to the farthest vertex. The shortest of those distances is the "width" of the net.



Here are a few of the best results.



WIDTH     NET NUMBERS
3.07768 41382, 32924, 32920, 32511, 32494, 32492

3.26889 26440, 23967, 23620, 20027, 19706, 19668

3.3166 42665, 42591, 42549, 42546, 39271, 39268, 36753, 36743, 36717,
36716, 36607, 36598, 36581, 36445, 36439, 36408, 36390, 36304,
36298, 36267, 36264, 36263, 29579, 28755, 28742, 28741, 28740,
28734, 28496, 28489, 28488, 28456, 28434, 28433, 28432, 28416,
27807, 27806, 27805, 27729, 27728, 27727, 27674, 27673, 27672


Notice that the narrowest width can be computed exactly:
$3.07768=sqrt{5+2sqrt5}$.
Here's a picture of n° 41382, which is one of the "winners":
enter image description here



EDIT 6.



Here's the Mathematica code I used.



(* some definitions *)
lato=2Sin[Pi/5]//Simplify;
sqdist[a_,b_]:=(a-b).(a-b);
rot[a_,b_,t_]:=b+{{Cos[t],-Sin[t]},{Sin[t],Cos[t]}}.(a-b);
cross2[{ax_,ay_},{bx_,by_},{cx_,cy_}]:=(ax*by-ay*bx+bx*cy-cx*by+
cx*ay-cy*ax)/Sqrt[sqdist[{ax,ay},{bx,by}]];

(* main loop; "r04_n.math" are Horiyama's files *)
all={};
Do[
file="/path/r04_"<>ToString[n]<>".math";
Get[file];
net={};

Do[
If[sqdist[p[[i]],p[[k]]]==a^2//Simplify,
cmid=p[[i]]+(p[[k]]-p[[i]])/a;
start=rot[cmid,p[[i]],Pi/5]//Simplify;
pent=Table[rot[start,p[[k]],2j*Pi/5]//FullSimplify,{j,0,5}];
net=Append[net,pent];
pent=Table[rot[start,p[[i]],2j*Pi/5]//FullSimplify,{j,0,5}];
net=Append[net,pent]
],
{i,1,Length[p]-1},
{k,i+1,Length[p]}];

pts=Flatten[net,1]//N;
pts=Union[pts,SameTest -> (sqdist[#1,#2]<0.00001&)];

best=1000;
Do[
wid=-1;
flag=True;
Do[
t=cross2[pts[[i]],pts[[j]],pts[[k]]];
If[Abs[t]<0.0000001,Continue];
If[wid<0,wid0=Sign[t];wid=0];
If[t*wid0<-0.0000001,flag=False;Break];
If[Abs[t]>Abs[wid],wid=Abs[t]],
{k,1,Length[pts]}];

If[flag && wid/lato<best,best=wid/lato],
{i,1,Length[pts]-1},
{j,i+1,Length[pts]}];

AppendTo[all,{n,best}],

{n,1,43380}];

allsorted=Sort[all,#1[[2]]<#2[[2]]&]





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  • Oh, sure ... That's great for a rectangle that's narrow top-to-bottom. But what if we want a rectangle that's narrow left-to-right? :) (joke)
    – Blue
    Jan 31 '16 at 22:34












  • Hmm… Maybe I misinterpreted the request of the OP...
    – Aretino
    Jan 31 '16 at 23:05










  • Just replace your area calculation with a ratio. :)
    – Blue
    Jan 31 '16 at 23:51










  • Great edit with addition of 9383 and the linked to the exhaustive list… I wonder if that is the narrowest possible?
    – Benjohn
    Feb 5 '16 at 14:17












  • Possibly promising: 43362, 43224, 43172, 42665, 42591, 42546. Will investigate properly later, but I think 43,362 has a total width less than three times the length of each side. This is nice: al.ics.saitama-u.ac.jp/horiyama/research/unfolding/catalog/…
    – Oolong
    Feb 5 '16 at 18:41















up vote
8
down vote



accepted







up vote
8
down vote



accepted






Just as a starter, I propose the most obvious one. Area of rectangle is 32.89 if every edge of dodecahedron is of unit length.



enter image description here



EDIT.



If one is interested in the narrowest possible net, I think the above disposition is still the best one. Because the central "belt" of six pentagons (yellow in the picture below) cannot be altered without widening the net, and the other surrounding pentagons can be moved to other positions, but this doesn't narrow (at best) the witdth of the net (see possible new positions, in blue, of three pentagons). The width of this net is $sqrt{5+2sqrt5}(3+sqrt5)/4approx4.02874$ times the length of a single edge.



enter image description here



EDIT 2.



Inspired by net n° 9383 in Horiyama's list I could find a strip slightly narrower than the above, at the expense of having its border not parallel to any pentagon side (see picture). Its width is $approx 3.93448$.



enter image description here



EDIT 3.



Oolong discovered the best candidate, up to now: it is n° 43362 in the catalogue, corresponding to a width $approx 3.66547$.



enter image description here



EDIT 4.



Oolong discovered an even narrower net: it is n° 36753 in the catalogue, corresponding to a width $approx 3.3166$.
enter image description here



EDIT 5.



I performed an exhaustive search, using Mathematica and the complete collection of dodecahedron net centers in Mathematica format, which can be found at Horiyama's site. For every net I checked all the lines passing through two vertices: in case all the other vertices lied on the same side of the line, I then computed the distance from the line to the farthest vertex. The shortest of those distances is the "width" of the net.



Here are a few of the best results.



WIDTH     NET NUMBERS
3.07768 41382, 32924, 32920, 32511, 32494, 32492

3.26889 26440, 23967, 23620, 20027, 19706, 19668

3.3166 42665, 42591, 42549, 42546, 39271, 39268, 36753, 36743, 36717,
36716, 36607, 36598, 36581, 36445, 36439, 36408, 36390, 36304,
36298, 36267, 36264, 36263, 29579, 28755, 28742, 28741, 28740,
28734, 28496, 28489, 28488, 28456, 28434, 28433, 28432, 28416,
27807, 27806, 27805, 27729, 27728, 27727, 27674, 27673, 27672


Notice that the narrowest width can be computed exactly:
$3.07768=sqrt{5+2sqrt5}$.
Here's a picture of n° 41382, which is one of the "winners":
enter image description here



EDIT 6.



Here's the Mathematica code I used.



(* some definitions *)
lato=2Sin[Pi/5]//Simplify;
sqdist[a_,b_]:=(a-b).(a-b);
rot[a_,b_,t_]:=b+{{Cos[t],-Sin[t]},{Sin[t],Cos[t]}}.(a-b);
cross2[{ax_,ay_},{bx_,by_},{cx_,cy_}]:=(ax*by-ay*bx+bx*cy-cx*by+
cx*ay-cy*ax)/Sqrt[sqdist[{ax,ay},{bx,by}]];

(* main loop; "r04_n.math" are Horiyama's files *)
all={};
Do[
file="/path/r04_"<>ToString[n]<>".math";
Get[file];
net={};

Do[
If[sqdist[p[[i]],p[[k]]]==a^2//Simplify,
cmid=p[[i]]+(p[[k]]-p[[i]])/a;
start=rot[cmid,p[[i]],Pi/5]//Simplify;
pent=Table[rot[start,p[[k]],2j*Pi/5]//FullSimplify,{j,0,5}];
net=Append[net,pent];
pent=Table[rot[start,p[[i]],2j*Pi/5]//FullSimplify,{j,0,5}];
net=Append[net,pent]
],
{i,1,Length[p]-1},
{k,i+1,Length[p]}];

pts=Flatten[net,1]//N;
pts=Union[pts,SameTest -> (sqdist[#1,#2]<0.00001&)];

best=1000;
Do[
wid=-1;
flag=True;
Do[
t=cross2[pts[[i]],pts[[j]],pts[[k]]];
If[Abs[t]<0.0000001,Continue];
If[wid<0,wid0=Sign[t];wid=0];
If[t*wid0<-0.0000001,flag=False;Break];
If[Abs[t]>Abs[wid],wid=Abs[t]],
{k,1,Length[pts]}];

If[flag && wid/lato<best,best=wid/lato],
{i,1,Length[pts]-1},
{j,i+1,Length[pts]}];

AppendTo[all,{n,best}],

{n,1,43380}];

allsorted=Sort[all,#1[[2]]<#2[[2]]&]





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Just as a starter, I propose the most obvious one. Area of rectangle is 32.89 if every edge of dodecahedron is of unit length.



enter image description here



EDIT.



If one is interested in the narrowest possible net, I think the above disposition is still the best one. Because the central "belt" of six pentagons (yellow in the picture below) cannot be altered without widening the net, and the other surrounding pentagons can be moved to other positions, but this doesn't narrow (at best) the witdth of the net (see possible new positions, in blue, of three pentagons). The width of this net is $sqrt{5+2sqrt5}(3+sqrt5)/4approx4.02874$ times the length of a single edge.



enter image description here



EDIT 2.



Inspired by net n° 9383 in Horiyama's list I could find a strip slightly narrower than the above, at the expense of having its border not parallel to any pentagon side (see picture). Its width is $approx 3.93448$.



enter image description here



EDIT 3.



Oolong discovered the best candidate, up to now: it is n° 43362 in the catalogue, corresponding to a width $approx 3.66547$.



enter image description here



EDIT 4.



Oolong discovered an even narrower net: it is n° 36753 in the catalogue, corresponding to a width $approx 3.3166$.
enter image description here



EDIT 5.



I performed an exhaustive search, using Mathematica and the complete collection of dodecahedron net centers in Mathematica format, which can be found at Horiyama's site. For every net I checked all the lines passing through two vertices: in case all the other vertices lied on the same side of the line, I then computed the distance from the line to the farthest vertex. The shortest of those distances is the "width" of the net.



Here are a few of the best results.



WIDTH     NET NUMBERS
3.07768 41382, 32924, 32920, 32511, 32494, 32492

3.26889 26440, 23967, 23620, 20027, 19706, 19668

3.3166 42665, 42591, 42549, 42546, 39271, 39268, 36753, 36743, 36717,
36716, 36607, 36598, 36581, 36445, 36439, 36408, 36390, 36304,
36298, 36267, 36264, 36263, 29579, 28755, 28742, 28741, 28740,
28734, 28496, 28489, 28488, 28456, 28434, 28433, 28432, 28416,
27807, 27806, 27805, 27729, 27728, 27727, 27674, 27673, 27672


Notice that the narrowest width can be computed exactly:
$3.07768=sqrt{5+2sqrt5}$.
Here's a picture of n° 41382, which is one of the "winners":
enter image description here



EDIT 6.



Here's the Mathematica code I used.



(* some definitions *)
lato=2Sin[Pi/5]//Simplify;
sqdist[a_,b_]:=(a-b).(a-b);
rot[a_,b_,t_]:=b+{{Cos[t],-Sin[t]},{Sin[t],Cos[t]}}.(a-b);
cross2[{ax_,ay_},{bx_,by_},{cx_,cy_}]:=(ax*by-ay*bx+bx*cy-cx*by+
cx*ay-cy*ax)/Sqrt[sqdist[{ax,ay},{bx,by}]];

(* main loop; "r04_n.math" are Horiyama's files *)
all={};
Do[
file="/path/r04_"<>ToString[n]<>".math";
Get[file];
net={};

Do[
If[sqdist[p[[i]],p[[k]]]==a^2//Simplify,
cmid=p[[i]]+(p[[k]]-p[[i]])/a;
start=rot[cmid,p[[i]],Pi/5]//Simplify;
pent=Table[rot[start,p[[k]],2j*Pi/5]//FullSimplify,{j,0,5}];
net=Append[net,pent];
pent=Table[rot[start,p[[i]],2j*Pi/5]//FullSimplify,{j,0,5}];
net=Append[net,pent]
],
{i,1,Length[p]-1},
{k,i+1,Length[p]}];

pts=Flatten[net,1]//N;
pts=Union[pts,SameTest -> (sqdist[#1,#2]<0.00001&)];

best=1000;
Do[
wid=-1;
flag=True;
Do[
t=cross2[pts[[i]],pts[[j]],pts[[k]]];
If[Abs[t]<0.0000001,Continue];
If[wid<0,wid0=Sign[t];wid=0];
If[t*wid0<-0.0000001,flag=False;Break];
If[Abs[t]>Abs[wid],wid=Abs[t]],
{k,1,Length[pts]}];

If[flag && wid/lato<best,best=wid/lato],
{i,1,Length[pts]-1},
{j,i+1,Length[pts]}];

AppendTo[all,{n,best}],

{n,1,43380}];

allsorted=Sort[all,#1[[2]]<#2[[2]]&]






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  • Oh, sure ... That's great for a rectangle that's narrow top-to-bottom. But what if we want a rectangle that's narrow left-to-right? :) (joke)
    – Blue
    Jan 31 '16 at 22:34












  • Hmm… Maybe I misinterpreted the request of the OP...
    – Aretino
    Jan 31 '16 at 23:05










  • Just replace your area calculation with a ratio. :)
    – Blue
    Jan 31 '16 at 23:51










  • Great edit with addition of 9383 and the linked to the exhaustive list… I wonder if that is the narrowest possible?
    – Benjohn
    Feb 5 '16 at 14:17












  • Possibly promising: 43362, 43224, 43172, 42665, 42591, 42546. Will investigate properly later, but I think 43,362 has a total width less than three times the length of each side. This is nice: al.ics.saitama-u.ac.jp/horiyama/research/unfolding/catalog/…
    – Oolong
    Feb 5 '16 at 18:41




















  • Oh, sure ... That's great for a rectangle that's narrow top-to-bottom. But what if we want a rectangle that's narrow left-to-right? :) (joke)
    – Blue
    Jan 31 '16 at 22:34












  • Hmm… Maybe I misinterpreted the request of the OP...
    – Aretino
    Jan 31 '16 at 23:05










  • Just replace your area calculation with a ratio. :)
    – Blue
    Jan 31 '16 at 23:51










  • Great edit with addition of 9383 and the linked to the exhaustive list… I wonder if that is the narrowest possible?
    – Benjohn
    Feb 5 '16 at 14:17












  • Possibly promising: 43362, 43224, 43172, 42665, 42591, 42546. Will investigate properly later, but I think 43,362 has a total width less than three times the length of each side. This is nice: al.ics.saitama-u.ac.jp/horiyama/research/unfolding/catalog/…
    – Oolong
    Feb 5 '16 at 18:41


















Oh, sure ... That's great for a rectangle that's narrow top-to-bottom. But what if we want a rectangle that's narrow left-to-right? :) (joke)
– Blue
Jan 31 '16 at 22:34






Oh, sure ... That's great for a rectangle that's narrow top-to-bottom. But what if we want a rectangle that's narrow left-to-right? :) (joke)
– Blue
Jan 31 '16 at 22:34














Hmm… Maybe I misinterpreted the request of the OP...
– Aretino
Jan 31 '16 at 23:05




Hmm… Maybe I misinterpreted the request of the OP...
– Aretino
Jan 31 '16 at 23:05












Just replace your area calculation with a ratio. :)
– Blue
Jan 31 '16 at 23:51




Just replace your area calculation with a ratio. :)
– Blue
Jan 31 '16 at 23:51












Great edit with addition of 9383 and the linked to the exhaustive list… I wonder if that is the narrowest possible?
– Benjohn
Feb 5 '16 at 14:17






Great edit with addition of 9383 and the linked to the exhaustive list… I wonder if that is the narrowest possible?
– Benjohn
Feb 5 '16 at 14:17














Possibly promising: 43362, 43224, 43172, 42665, 42591, 42546. Will investigate properly later, but I think 43,362 has a total width less than three times the length of each side. This is nice: al.ics.saitama-u.ac.jp/horiyama/research/unfolding/catalog/…
– Oolong
Feb 5 '16 at 18:41






Possibly promising: 43362, 43224, 43172, 42665, 42591, 42546. Will investigate properly later, but I think 43,362 has a total width less than three times the length of each side. This is nice: al.ics.saitama-u.ac.jp/horiyama/research/unfolding/catalog/…
– Oolong
Feb 5 '16 at 18:41




















 

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