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The standard $n$-simplex contains all points $vec{x} in mathbb{R}^{n + 1}$ such that $0 le x_i le 1$ and $vec{x} cdot vec{1} = 1$



The standard 2-simplex is an equilateral triangle with side length $sqrt{2}$ and vertices at (1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0), and (0, 0, 1). The area is $sqrt{3}/2$.



The standard 1-simplex is a line with vertices at (1, 0) and (0, 1). The length is $sqrt{2}$



What is the area of the standard $n$-simplex?



Is it $sqrt{n + 1} / n!$ ?










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  • I can't just take the derivative of the volume between the origin and the n-simplex, which is $1^{n}/n!$.
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  • For n-simplex, I can calculate on $R^{n}$ instead of $R^{n + 1}$. Can't use change of coordinate formula because the Jacobian is not square.
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  • I asked this before that. This question asks for proof of the formula. The answers showed the formula is correct. That question ask specifically for using integration with coordinates of $R^{n+1}$ to prove the formula. I linked that question to this question to show the formula is correct before asking the more difficult question. See: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2996301/…
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The standard $n$-simplex contains all points $vec{x} in mathbb{R}^{n + 1}$ such that $0 le x_i le 1$ and $vec{x} cdot vec{1} = 1$



The standard 2-simplex is an equilateral triangle with side length $sqrt{2}$ and vertices at (1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0), and (0, 0, 1). The area is $sqrt{3}/2$.



The standard 1-simplex is a line with vertices at (1, 0) and (0, 1). The length is $sqrt{2}$



What is the area of the standard $n$-simplex?



Is it $sqrt{n + 1} / n!$ ?










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  • I can't just take the derivative of the volume between the origin and the n-simplex, which is $1^{n}/n!$.
    – R zu
    2 days ago












  • For n-simplex, I can calculate on $R^{n}$ instead of $R^{n + 1}$. Can't use change of coordinate formula because the Jacobian is not square.
    – R zu
    2 days ago










  • This question and math.stackexchange.com/questions/2996301/… are duplicates. What is the purpose of this manoeuvre?
    – Christian Blatter
    yesterday










  • I asked this before that. This question asks for proof of the formula. The answers showed the formula is correct. That question ask specifically for using integration with coordinates of $R^{n+1}$ to prove the formula. I linked that question to this question to show the formula is correct before asking the more difficult question. See: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2996301/…
    – R zu
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The standard $n$-simplex contains all points $vec{x} in mathbb{R}^{n + 1}$ such that $0 le x_i le 1$ and $vec{x} cdot vec{1} = 1$



The standard 2-simplex is an equilateral triangle with side length $sqrt{2}$ and vertices at (1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0), and (0, 0, 1). The area is $sqrt{3}/2$.



The standard 1-simplex is a line with vertices at (1, 0) and (0, 1). The length is $sqrt{2}$



What is the area of the standard $n$-simplex?



Is it $sqrt{n + 1} / n!$ ?










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The standard $n$-simplex contains all points $vec{x} in mathbb{R}^{n + 1}$ such that $0 le x_i le 1$ and $vec{x} cdot vec{1} = 1$



The standard 2-simplex is an equilateral triangle with side length $sqrt{2}$ and vertices at (1, 0, 0), (0, 1, 0), and (0, 0, 1). The area is $sqrt{3}/2$.



The standard 1-simplex is a line with vertices at (1, 0) and (0, 1). The length is $sqrt{2}$



What is the area of the standard $n$-simplex?



Is it $sqrt{n + 1} / n!$ ?







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  • I can't just take the derivative of the volume between the origin and the n-simplex, which is $1^{n}/n!$.
    – R zu
    2 days ago












  • For n-simplex, I can calculate on $R^{n}$ instead of $R^{n + 1}$. Can't use change of coordinate formula because the Jacobian is not square.
    – R zu
    2 days ago










  • This question and math.stackexchange.com/questions/2996301/… are duplicates. What is the purpose of this manoeuvre?
    – Christian Blatter
    yesterday










  • I asked this before that. This question asks for proof of the formula. The answers showed the formula is correct. That question ask specifically for using integration with coordinates of $R^{n+1}$ to prove the formula. I linked that question to this question to show the formula is correct before asking the more difficult question. See: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2996301/…
    – R zu
    yesterday




















  • I can't just take the derivative of the volume between the origin and the n-simplex, which is $1^{n}/n!$.
    – R zu
    2 days ago












  • For n-simplex, I can calculate on $R^{n}$ instead of $R^{n + 1}$. Can't use change of coordinate formula because the Jacobian is not square.
    – R zu
    2 days ago










  • This question and math.stackexchange.com/questions/2996301/… are duplicates. What is the purpose of this manoeuvre?
    – Christian Blatter
    yesterday










  • I asked this before that. This question asks for proof of the formula. The answers showed the formula is correct. That question ask specifically for using integration with coordinates of $R^{n+1}$ to prove the formula. I linked that question to this question to show the formula is correct before asking the more difficult question. See: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2996301/…
    – R zu
    yesterday


















I can't just take the derivative of the volume between the origin and the n-simplex, which is $1^{n}/n!$.
– R zu
2 days ago






I can't just take the derivative of the volume between the origin and the n-simplex, which is $1^{n}/n!$.
– R zu
2 days ago














For n-simplex, I can calculate on $R^{n}$ instead of $R^{n + 1}$. Can't use change of coordinate formula because the Jacobian is not square.
– R zu
2 days ago




For n-simplex, I can calculate on $R^{n}$ instead of $R^{n + 1}$. Can't use change of coordinate formula because the Jacobian is not square.
– R zu
2 days ago












This question and math.stackexchange.com/questions/2996301/… are duplicates. What is the purpose of this manoeuvre?
– Christian Blatter
yesterday




This question and math.stackexchange.com/questions/2996301/… are duplicates. What is the purpose of this manoeuvre?
– Christian Blatter
yesterday












I asked this before that. This question asks for proof of the formula. The answers showed the formula is correct. That question ask specifically for using integration with coordinates of $R^{n+1}$ to prove the formula. I linked that question to this question to show the formula is correct before asking the more difficult question. See: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2996301/…
– R zu
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I asked this before that. This question asks for proof of the formula. The answers showed the formula is correct. That question ask specifically for using integration with coordinates of $R^{n+1}$ to prove the formula. I linked that question to this question to show the formula is correct before asking the more difficult question. See: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2996301/…
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From this SE-quest you have the height $h_D$ of the unit-sided regular simplex as
$$h_D=sqrt{frac{D+1}{2D}}$$
Further you obviously have the dimensional recursion on the volume $V_D$
$$V_D=frac1D V_{D-1} h_D$$
With the obvious recursion start of $V_1=1$ you thus get
$$V_D=prod_{dleq D}frac{h_d}d=frac1{D!}sqrt{frac{D+1}{2^D}}$$
(The factor $2^D$ in the denominator surely could be omitted, if you deal with a simplex with sidelength of $sqrt2$ units instead.)



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    I found an answer by integrating over the $n$-simplex moved to $mathbb{R}^{n}$.



    The proof would be much simpler if it is possible to directly integrate over the $n$-simplex, which is in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$.



    Average of all vertex except first one:



    $vec{a} = frac{1}{n} sum_{i = 2}^{n + 1} vec{e}_i$



    Height $vec{h}$ is between one vertex and the average of the remaining vertex.



    $vec{h} = vec{a} - vec{e}_{1}$



    Height vector is perpendicular to all vectors in the base:



    $vec{h} cdot (vec{a} - vec{e}_i ) = (vec{a} - vec{e}_{1}) cdot (vec{a} - vec{e}_i)$



    $ = vec{a}cdotvec{a}
    -vec{a}cdotvec{e}_{i}
    - vec{e}_{1}cdotvec{a}
    + vec{e}_{1}cdotvec{e}_{i}$



    $ = frac{n + 1}{n} -frac{1}{n} - 0 + 1 = 0$



    Length of height vector is:



    $l_{n} = sqrt{vec{h}cdotvec{h}} = sqrt{vec{a}cdot vec{a} + vec{e}_{1}cdot vec{e}_{1}} = sqrt{left(frac{1}{n^{2}}sum_{i=2}^{n+1} vec{e}_{i}cdotvec{e}_{i} right ) + 1}=sqrt{frac{1}{n} + 1}=sqrt{frac{n + 1}{n}}$



    Let $A_{n}(s)$ be area of the standard $n$-simplex scaled by $s$ along each of all axes.



    $A_{1} = sqrt{2}s$



    Integrate along the height vector for the scaled standard $(n + 1)$-simplex.



    $A_{n+1}(s) = int_{0}^{sl_{n+1}} A_{n}left (frac{sx}{sl_{n+1}} right)dx = sl_{n+1}int_{0}^{1} A_{n}(su)du$



    $A_{2}(s) = sl_{2}int_{0}^{1} sqrt{2}sudu = l_{2} sqrt{2} frac{1}{2}s^{2}= frac{sqrt{3}}{2}s^{2}$



    $A_{3}(s) = sl_{3}int_{0}^{1} sl_{2}int_{0}^{1} sqrt{2}sudu$



    $$A_{n}(s) = s^{n} left( prod_{1}^{n}l_{n} right) int_{0}^{1} dots int_{0}^{1} udu$$



    $$A_{n}(s) = frac{ s^{n} sqrt{n+1}}{n!}$$






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      From this SE-quest you have the height $h_D$ of the unit-sided regular simplex as
      $$h_D=sqrt{frac{D+1}{2D}}$$
      Further you obviously have the dimensional recursion on the volume $V_D$
      $$V_D=frac1D V_{D-1} h_D$$
      With the obvious recursion start of $V_1=1$ you thus get
      $$V_D=prod_{dleq D}frac{h_d}d=frac1{D!}sqrt{frac{D+1}{2^D}}$$
      (The factor $2^D$ in the denominator surely could be omitted, if you deal with a simplex with sidelength of $sqrt2$ units instead.)



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        From this SE-quest you have the height $h_D$ of the unit-sided regular simplex as
        $$h_D=sqrt{frac{D+1}{2D}}$$
        Further you obviously have the dimensional recursion on the volume $V_D$
        $$V_D=frac1D V_{D-1} h_D$$
        With the obvious recursion start of $V_1=1$ you thus get
        $$V_D=prod_{dleq D}frac{h_d}d=frac1{D!}sqrt{frac{D+1}{2^D}}$$
        (The factor $2^D$ in the denominator surely could be omitted, if you deal with a simplex with sidelength of $sqrt2$ units instead.)



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          From this SE-quest you have the height $h_D$ of the unit-sided regular simplex as
          $$h_D=sqrt{frac{D+1}{2D}}$$
          Further you obviously have the dimensional recursion on the volume $V_D$
          $$V_D=frac1D V_{D-1} h_D$$
          With the obvious recursion start of $V_1=1$ you thus get
          $$V_D=prod_{dleq D}frac{h_d}d=frac1{D!}sqrt{frac{D+1}{2^D}}$$
          (The factor $2^D$ in the denominator surely could be omitted, if you deal with a simplex with sidelength of $sqrt2$ units instead.)



          --- rk






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          From this SE-quest you have the height $h_D$ of the unit-sided regular simplex as
          $$h_D=sqrt{frac{D+1}{2D}}$$
          Further you obviously have the dimensional recursion on the volume $V_D$
          $$V_D=frac1D V_{D-1} h_D$$
          With the obvious recursion start of $V_1=1$ you thus get
          $$V_D=prod_{dleq D}frac{h_d}d=frac1{D!}sqrt{frac{D+1}{2^D}}$$
          (The factor $2^D$ in the denominator surely could be omitted, if you deal with a simplex with sidelength of $sqrt2$ units instead.)



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              I found an answer by integrating over the $n$-simplex moved to $mathbb{R}^{n}$.



              The proof would be much simpler if it is possible to directly integrate over the $n$-simplex, which is in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$.



              Average of all vertex except first one:



              $vec{a} = frac{1}{n} sum_{i = 2}^{n + 1} vec{e}_i$



              Height $vec{h}$ is between one vertex and the average of the remaining vertex.



              $vec{h} = vec{a} - vec{e}_{1}$



              Height vector is perpendicular to all vectors in the base:



              $vec{h} cdot (vec{a} - vec{e}_i ) = (vec{a} - vec{e}_{1}) cdot (vec{a} - vec{e}_i)$



              $ = vec{a}cdotvec{a}
              -vec{a}cdotvec{e}_{i}
              - vec{e}_{1}cdotvec{a}
              + vec{e}_{1}cdotvec{e}_{i}$



              $ = frac{n + 1}{n} -frac{1}{n} - 0 + 1 = 0$



              Length of height vector is:



              $l_{n} = sqrt{vec{h}cdotvec{h}} = sqrt{vec{a}cdot vec{a} + vec{e}_{1}cdot vec{e}_{1}} = sqrt{left(frac{1}{n^{2}}sum_{i=2}^{n+1} vec{e}_{i}cdotvec{e}_{i} right ) + 1}=sqrt{frac{1}{n} + 1}=sqrt{frac{n + 1}{n}}$



              Let $A_{n}(s)$ be area of the standard $n$-simplex scaled by $s$ along each of all axes.



              $A_{1} = sqrt{2}s$



              Integrate along the height vector for the scaled standard $(n + 1)$-simplex.



              $A_{n+1}(s) = int_{0}^{sl_{n+1}} A_{n}left (frac{sx}{sl_{n+1}} right)dx = sl_{n+1}int_{0}^{1} A_{n}(su)du$



              $A_{2}(s) = sl_{2}int_{0}^{1} sqrt{2}sudu = l_{2} sqrt{2} frac{1}{2}s^{2}= frac{sqrt{3}}{2}s^{2}$



              $A_{3}(s) = sl_{3}int_{0}^{1} sl_{2}int_{0}^{1} sqrt{2}sudu$



              $$A_{n}(s) = s^{n} left( prod_{1}^{n}l_{n} right) int_{0}^{1} dots int_{0}^{1} udu$$



              $$A_{n}(s) = frac{ s^{n} sqrt{n+1}}{n!}$$






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                I found an answer by integrating over the $n$-simplex moved to $mathbb{R}^{n}$.



                The proof would be much simpler if it is possible to directly integrate over the $n$-simplex, which is in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$.



                Average of all vertex except first one:



                $vec{a} = frac{1}{n} sum_{i = 2}^{n + 1} vec{e}_i$



                Height $vec{h}$ is between one vertex and the average of the remaining vertex.



                $vec{h} = vec{a} - vec{e}_{1}$



                Height vector is perpendicular to all vectors in the base:



                $vec{h} cdot (vec{a} - vec{e}_i ) = (vec{a} - vec{e}_{1}) cdot (vec{a} - vec{e}_i)$



                $ = vec{a}cdotvec{a}
                -vec{a}cdotvec{e}_{i}
                - vec{e}_{1}cdotvec{a}
                + vec{e}_{1}cdotvec{e}_{i}$



                $ = frac{n + 1}{n} -frac{1}{n} - 0 + 1 = 0$



                Length of height vector is:



                $l_{n} = sqrt{vec{h}cdotvec{h}} = sqrt{vec{a}cdot vec{a} + vec{e}_{1}cdot vec{e}_{1}} = sqrt{left(frac{1}{n^{2}}sum_{i=2}^{n+1} vec{e}_{i}cdotvec{e}_{i} right ) + 1}=sqrt{frac{1}{n} + 1}=sqrt{frac{n + 1}{n}}$



                Let $A_{n}(s)$ be area of the standard $n$-simplex scaled by $s$ along each of all axes.



                $A_{1} = sqrt{2}s$



                Integrate along the height vector for the scaled standard $(n + 1)$-simplex.



                $A_{n+1}(s) = int_{0}^{sl_{n+1}} A_{n}left (frac{sx}{sl_{n+1}} right)dx = sl_{n+1}int_{0}^{1} A_{n}(su)du$



                $A_{2}(s) = sl_{2}int_{0}^{1} sqrt{2}sudu = l_{2} sqrt{2} frac{1}{2}s^{2}= frac{sqrt{3}}{2}s^{2}$



                $A_{3}(s) = sl_{3}int_{0}^{1} sl_{2}int_{0}^{1} sqrt{2}sudu$



                $$A_{n}(s) = s^{n} left( prod_{1}^{n}l_{n} right) int_{0}^{1} dots int_{0}^{1} udu$$



                $$A_{n}(s) = frac{ s^{n} sqrt{n+1}}{n!}$$






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                  I found an answer by integrating over the $n$-simplex moved to $mathbb{R}^{n}$.



                  The proof would be much simpler if it is possible to directly integrate over the $n$-simplex, which is in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$.



                  Average of all vertex except first one:



                  $vec{a} = frac{1}{n} sum_{i = 2}^{n + 1} vec{e}_i$



                  Height $vec{h}$ is between one vertex and the average of the remaining vertex.



                  $vec{h} = vec{a} - vec{e}_{1}$



                  Height vector is perpendicular to all vectors in the base:



                  $vec{h} cdot (vec{a} - vec{e}_i ) = (vec{a} - vec{e}_{1}) cdot (vec{a} - vec{e}_i)$



                  $ = vec{a}cdotvec{a}
                  -vec{a}cdotvec{e}_{i}
                  - vec{e}_{1}cdotvec{a}
                  + vec{e}_{1}cdotvec{e}_{i}$



                  $ = frac{n + 1}{n} -frac{1}{n} - 0 + 1 = 0$



                  Length of height vector is:



                  $l_{n} = sqrt{vec{h}cdotvec{h}} = sqrt{vec{a}cdot vec{a} + vec{e}_{1}cdot vec{e}_{1}} = sqrt{left(frac{1}{n^{2}}sum_{i=2}^{n+1} vec{e}_{i}cdotvec{e}_{i} right ) + 1}=sqrt{frac{1}{n} + 1}=sqrt{frac{n + 1}{n}}$



                  Let $A_{n}(s)$ be area of the standard $n$-simplex scaled by $s$ along each of all axes.



                  $A_{1} = sqrt{2}s$



                  Integrate along the height vector for the scaled standard $(n + 1)$-simplex.



                  $A_{n+1}(s) = int_{0}^{sl_{n+1}} A_{n}left (frac{sx}{sl_{n+1}} right)dx = sl_{n+1}int_{0}^{1} A_{n}(su)du$



                  $A_{2}(s) = sl_{2}int_{0}^{1} sqrt{2}sudu = l_{2} sqrt{2} frac{1}{2}s^{2}= frac{sqrt{3}}{2}s^{2}$



                  $A_{3}(s) = sl_{3}int_{0}^{1} sl_{2}int_{0}^{1} sqrt{2}sudu$



                  $$A_{n}(s) = s^{n} left( prod_{1}^{n}l_{n} right) int_{0}^{1} dots int_{0}^{1} udu$$



                  $$A_{n}(s) = frac{ s^{n} sqrt{n+1}}{n!}$$






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                  I found an answer by integrating over the $n$-simplex moved to $mathbb{R}^{n}$.



                  The proof would be much simpler if it is possible to directly integrate over the $n$-simplex, which is in $mathbb{R}^{n+1}$.



                  Average of all vertex except first one:



                  $vec{a} = frac{1}{n} sum_{i = 2}^{n + 1} vec{e}_i$



                  Height $vec{h}$ is between one vertex and the average of the remaining vertex.



                  $vec{h} = vec{a} - vec{e}_{1}$



                  Height vector is perpendicular to all vectors in the base:



                  $vec{h} cdot (vec{a} - vec{e}_i ) = (vec{a} - vec{e}_{1}) cdot (vec{a} - vec{e}_i)$



                  $ = vec{a}cdotvec{a}
                  -vec{a}cdotvec{e}_{i}
                  - vec{e}_{1}cdotvec{a}
                  + vec{e}_{1}cdotvec{e}_{i}$



                  $ = frac{n + 1}{n} -frac{1}{n} - 0 + 1 = 0$



                  Length of height vector is:



                  $l_{n} = sqrt{vec{h}cdotvec{h}} = sqrt{vec{a}cdot vec{a} + vec{e}_{1}cdot vec{e}_{1}} = sqrt{left(frac{1}{n^{2}}sum_{i=2}^{n+1} vec{e}_{i}cdotvec{e}_{i} right ) + 1}=sqrt{frac{1}{n} + 1}=sqrt{frac{n + 1}{n}}$



                  Let $A_{n}(s)$ be area of the standard $n$-simplex scaled by $s$ along each of all axes.



                  $A_{1} = sqrt{2}s$



                  Integrate along the height vector for the scaled standard $(n + 1)$-simplex.



                  $A_{n+1}(s) = int_{0}^{sl_{n+1}} A_{n}left (frac{sx}{sl_{n+1}} right)dx = sl_{n+1}int_{0}^{1} A_{n}(su)du$



                  $A_{2}(s) = sl_{2}int_{0}^{1} sqrt{2}sudu = l_{2} sqrt{2} frac{1}{2}s^{2}= frac{sqrt{3}}{2}s^{2}$



                  $A_{3}(s) = sl_{3}int_{0}^{1} sl_{2}int_{0}^{1} sqrt{2}sudu$



                  $$A_{n}(s) = s^{n} left( prod_{1}^{n}l_{n} right) int_{0}^{1} dots int_{0}^{1} udu$$



                  $$A_{n}(s) = frac{ s^{n} sqrt{n+1}}{n!}$$







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