Solve the system of $3$ quadratic equations
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Consider the system of equation
$${{x}^{2}}+{{(1-y)}^{2}}=a\
{{y}^{2}}+{{(1-z)}^{2}}=b\
{{z}^{2}}+{{(1-x)}^{2}}=c$$
Compute $x(1-x)$ in terms of $a,b,c$.
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Consider the system of equation
$${{x}^{2}}+{{(1-y)}^{2}}=a\
{{y}^{2}}+{{(1-z)}^{2}}=b\
{{z}^{2}}+{{(1-x)}^{2}}=c$$
Compute $x(1-x)$ in terms of $a,b,c$.
systems-of-equations quadratics symmetric-polynomials
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I don't think the resulting octic is solvable. Wolfy doesn't like it.
– user10354138
yesterday
Please see this: math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9959/269624
– Yuriy S
yesterday
Considering a-b-c & other two perms looks like a good start
– Richard Martin
yesterday
Is the system assumed to be consistent? And are we considering only reals, or also complex numbers?
– Servaes
yesterday
In M2R=QQ[a,b,c]
S=R[x,y,z]
I=ideal(x^2+(1-y)^2-a,y^2+(1-z)^2-b,z^2+(1-x)^2-c)
(x*(1-x))%I
$-y+z-frac12 a+ frac12 b- frac12 c+frac12$. And(x*(1-x)+y*(1-y)+z*(1-z))%I
$-frac12 a- frac12 b- frac12 c+frac32$.
– Jan-Magnus Økland
yesterday
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Consider the system of equation
$${{x}^{2}}+{{(1-y)}^{2}}=a\
{{y}^{2}}+{{(1-z)}^{2}}=b\
{{z}^{2}}+{{(1-x)}^{2}}=c$$
Compute $x(1-x)$ in terms of $a,b,c$.
systems-of-equations quadratics symmetric-polynomials
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Consider the system of equation
$${{x}^{2}}+{{(1-y)}^{2}}=a\
{{y}^{2}}+{{(1-z)}^{2}}=b\
{{z}^{2}}+{{(1-x)}^{2}}=c$$
Compute $x(1-x)$ in terms of $a,b,c$.
systems-of-equations quadratics symmetric-polynomials
systems-of-equations quadratics symmetric-polynomials
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I don't think the resulting octic is solvable. Wolfy doesn't like it.
– user10354138
yesterday
Please see this: math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9959/269624
– Yuriy S
yesterday
Considering a-b-c & other two perms looks like a good start
– Richard Martin
yesterday
Is the system assumed to be consistent? And are we considering only reals, or also complex numbers?
– Servaes
yesterday
In M2R=QQ[a,b,c]
S=R[x,y,z]
I=ideal(x^2+(1-y)^2-a,y^2+(1-z)^2-b,z^2+(1-x)^2-c)
(x*(1-x))%I
$-y+z-frac12 a+ frac12 b- frac12 c+frac12$. And(x*(1-x)+y*(1-y)+z*(1-z))%I
$-frac12 a- frac12 b- frac12 c+frac32$.
– Jan-Magnus Økland
yesterday
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1
I don't think the resulting octic is solvable. Wolfy doesn't like it.
– user10354138
yesterday
Please see this: math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9959/269624
– Yuriy S
yesterday
Considering a-b-c & other two perms looks like a good start
– Richard Martin
yesterday
Is the system assumed to be consistent? And are we considering only reals, or also complex numbers?
– Servaes
yesterday
In M2R=QQ[a,b,c]
S=R[x,y,z]
I=ideal(x^2+(1-y)^2-a,y^2+(1-z)^2-b,z^2+(1-x)^2-c)
(x*(1-x))%I
$-y+z-frac12 a+ frac12 b- frac12 c+frac12$. And(x*(1-x)+y*(1-y)+z*(1-z))%I
$-frac12 a- frac12 b- frac12 c+frac32$.
– Jan-Magnus Økland
yesterday
1
1
I don't think the resulting octic is solvable. Wolfy doesn't like it.
– user10354138
yesterday
I don't think the resulting octic is solvable. Wolfy doesn't like it.
– user10354138
yesterday
Please see this: math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9959/269624
– Yuriy S
yesterday
Please see this: math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9959/269624
– Yuriy S
yesterday
Considering a-b-c & other two perms looks like a good start
– Richard Martin
yesterday
Considering a-b-c & other two perms looks like a good start
– Richard Martin
yesterday
Is the system assumed to be consistent? And are we considering only reals, or also complex numbers?
– Servaes
yesterday
Is the system assumed to be consistent? And are we considering only reals, or also complex numbers?
– Servaes
yesterday
In M2
R=QQ[a,b,c]
S=R[x,y,z]
I=ideal(x^2+(1-y)^2-a,y^2+(1-z)^2-b,z^2+(1-x)^2-c)
(x*(1-x))%I
$-y+z-frac12 a+ frac12 b- frac12 c+frac12$. And (x*(1-x)+y*(1-y)+z*(1-z))%I
$-frac12 a- frac12 b- frac12 c+frac32$.– Jan-Magnus Økland
yesterday
In M2
R=QQ[a,b,c]
S=R[x,y,z]
I=ideal(x^2+(1-y)^2-a,y^2+(1-z)^2-b,z^2+(1-x)^2-c)
(x*(1-x))%I
$-y+z-frac12 a+ frac12 b- frac12 c+frac12$. And (x*(1-x)+y*(1-y)+z*(1-z))%I
$-frac12 a- frac12 b- frac12 c+frac32$.– Jan-Magnus Økland
yesterday
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Contrary to some of the comments, this is not a high degree system. It turns out to be quadratic.
Geometrically, the system involves three cylinders whose axes are skew perpendicular to one another and equidistant from one another. With this arrangement there is a threefold symmetry among the cylinder axes, with the symmetry axis lying along line $x=y=z$. The presence of this symmetry axis leads to multiple simultaneous cancellations in the algebraic treatment. The cylinders may be unequal in radii so they do not conform to the threefold symmetry, but the parameters that determine the radii do not add any higher degree terms. Thus the degree of the system is greatly reduced by the symmetry among the axes of the cylinders.
Because the system of equations pairs each variable $x,y,z$ with $1-x,1-y,1-z$, let us consider an origin shift defined by
$(u,v,w)=(x-(1/2),y-(1/2),z-(1/2))$
In terms of the shifted variables we then have the following:
$u^2+v^2+u-v=a-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 1}$
$v^2+w^2+v-w=b-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 2}$
$w^2+u^2+w-u=a-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 3}$
If we add up these equations we discover that the linear terms cancel out producing a sphere centered at the shifted origin. Here the sum is divided by $2$ to isolate the sum $u^2+v^2+w^2$:
$u^2+v^2+w^2=((a+b+c)/2)-(3/4)text{.....Eq. 4}$
Now take twice Eq. 1 and subtract Eqs. 2 and 3. Then similarly take twice Eq. 3 and subtract Eqs. 1 and 2. Dividing both linear combinations by a common factor of 3 on the left side then gives the following differences between the unknowns:
$u-v=((2a-b-c)/3)text{.....Eq. 5}$
$w-u=((2c-a-b)/3)text{.....Eq. 6}$
Now it's easy, albeit messy. Use Eqs. 5 and 6 to eliminate $v$ and $w$, substitute into Eq. 4 for $u$, and (if I have done it right) get the following:
$108u^2+72(c-a)u+(20(a^2+c^2)-32ac-8b(a-b+c)-18(a+b+c)+27)=0$
This may he solved for $u$ and the original target function, $x(1-x)$, may be rendered as
$((1/2)+u)((1/2)-u)=(1/4)-u^2$.
Note that this will be a unique value only if $a=c$ (the cylinders with axes not parallel to the $x$ axis are congruent) or in the degenerate case if a double root (tangency).
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I get $108u^2+72(c-a)u+20(a^2+c^2)-8b(a-b+c)-32ac-18(a+b+c)+27$, but I still think OP might really want $Sigma_{cyc} x(1-x)$.
– Jan-Magnus Økland
20 hours ago
That would have been perhaps more realistic for hw, but PLEASE state problems accurately everyone! Corrected the quadratic eqn, thx.
– Oscar Lanzi
19 hours ago
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Contrary to some of the comments, this is not a high degree system. It turns out to be quadratic.
Geometrically, the system involves three cylinders whose axes are skew perpendicular to one another and equidistant from one another. With this arrangement there is a threefold symmetry among the cylinder axes, with the symmetry axis lying along line $x=y=z$. The presence of this symmetry axis leads to multiple simultaneous cancellations in the algebraic treatment. The cylinders may be unequal in radii so they do not conform to the threefold symmetry, but the parameters that determine the radii do not add any higher degree terms. Thus the degree of the system is greatly reduced by the symmetry among the axes of the cylinders.
Because the system of equations pairs each variable $x,y,z$ with $1-x,1-y,1-z$, let us consider an origin shift defined by
$(u,v,w)=(x-(1/2),y-(1/2),z-(1/2))$
In terms of the shifted variables we then have the following:
$u^2+v^2+u-v=a-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 1}$
$v^2+w^2+v-w=b-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 2}$
$w^2+u^2+w-u=a-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 3}$
If we add up these equations we discover that the linear terms cancel out producing a sphere centered at the shifted origin. Here the sum is divided by $2$ to isolate the sum $u^2+v^2+w^2$:
$u^2+v^2+w^2=((a+b+c)/2)-(3/4)text{.....Eq. 4}$
Now take twice Eq. 1 and subtract Eqs. 2 and 3. Then similarly take twice Eq. 3 and subtract Eqs. 1 and 2. Dividing both linear combinations by a common factor of 3 on the left side then gives the following differences between the unknowns:
$u-v=((2a-b-c)/3)text{.....Eq. 5}$
$w-u=((2c-a-b)/3)text{.....Eq. 6}$
Now it's easy, albeit messy. Use Eqs. 5 and 6 to eliminate $v$ and $w$, substitute into Eq. 4 for $u$, and (if I have done it right) get the following:
$108u^2+72(c-a)u+(20(a^2+c^2)-32ac-8b(a-b+c)-18(a+b+c)+27)=0$
This may he solved for $u$ and the original target function, $x(1-x)$, may be rendered as
$((1/2)+u)((1/2)-u)=(1/4)-u^2$.
Note that this will be a unique value only if $a=c$ (the cylinders with axes not parallel to the $x$ axis are congruent) or in the degenerate case if a double root (tangency).
1
I get $108u^2+72(c-a)u+20(a^2+c^2)-8b(a-b+c)-32ac-18(a+b+c)+27$, but I still think OP might really want $Sigma_{cyc} x(1-x)$.
– Jan-Magnus Økland
20 hours ago
That would have been perhaps more realistic for hw, but PLEASE state problems accurately everyone! Corrected the quadratic eqn, thx.
– Oscar Lanzi
19 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
7
down vote
Contrary to some of the comments, this is not a high degree system. It turns out to be quadratic.
Geometrically, the system involves three cylinders whose axes are skew perpendicular to one another and equidistant from one another. With this arrangement there is a threefold symmetry among the cylinder axes, with the symmetry axis lying along line $x=y=z$. The presence of this symmetry axis leads to multiple simultaneous cancellations in the algebraic treatment. The cylinders may be unequal in radii so they do not conform to the threefold symmetry, but the parameters that determine the radii do not add any higher degree terms. Thus the degree of the system is greatly reduced by the symmetry among the axes of the cylinders.
Because the system of equations pairs each variable $x,y,z$ with $1-x,1-y,1-z$, let us consider an origin shift defined by
$(u,v,w)=(x-(1/2),y-(1/2),z-(1/2))$
In terms of the shifted variables we then have the following:
$u^2+v^2+u-v=a-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 1}$
$v^2+w^2+v-w=b-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 2}$
$w^2+u^2+w-u=a-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 3}$
If we add up these equations we discover that the linear terms cancel out producing a sphere centered at the shifted origin. Here the sum is divided by $2$ to isolate the sum $u^2+v^2+w^2$:
$u^2+v^2+w^2=((a+b+c)/2)-(3/4)text{.....Eq. 4}$
Now take twice Eq. 1 and subtract Eqs. 2 and 3. Then similarly take twice Eq. 3 and subtract Eqs. 1 and 2. Dividing both linear combinations by a common factor of 3 on the left side then gives the following differences between the unknowns:
$u-v=((2a-b-c)/3)text{.....Eq. 5}$
$w-u=((2c-a-b)/3)text{.....Eq. 6}$
Now it's easy, albeit messy. Use Eqs. 5 and 6 to eliminate $v$ and $w$, substitute into Eq. 4 for $u$, and (if I have done it right) get the following:
$108u^2+72(c-a)u+(20(a^2+c^2)-32ac-8b(a-b+c)-18(a+b+c)+27)=0$
This may he solved for $u$ and the original target function, $x(1-x)$, may be rendered as
$((1/2)+u)((1/2)-u)=(1/4)-u^2$.
Note that this will be a unique value only if $a=c$ (the cylinders with axes not parallel to the $x$ axis are congruent) or in the degenerate case if a double root (tangency).
1
I get $108u^2+72(c-a)u+20(a^2+c^2)-8b(a-b+c)-32ac-18(a+b+c)+27$, but I still think OP might really want $Sigma_{cyc} x(1-x)$.
– Jan-Magnus Økland
20 hours ago
That would have been perhaps more realistic for hw, but PLEASE state problems accurately everyone! Corrected the quadratic eqn, thx.
– Oscar Lanzi
19 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
7
down vote
up vote
7
down vote
Contrary to some of the comments, this is not a high degree system. It turns out to be quadratic.
Geometrically, the system involves three cylinders whose axes are skew perpendicular to one another and equidistant from one another. With this arrangement there is a threefold symmetry among the cylinder axes, with the symmetry axis lying along line $x=y=z$. The presence of this symmetry axis leads to multiple simultaneous cancellations in the algebraic treatment. The cylinders may be unequal in radii so they do not conform to the threefold symmetry, but the parameters that determine the radii do not add any higher degree terms. Thus the degree of the system is greatly reduced by the symmetry among the axes of the cylinders.
Because the system of equations pairs each variable $x,y,z$ with $1-x,1-y,1-z$, let us consider an origin shift defined by
$(u,v,w)=(x-(1/2),y-(1/2),z-(1/2))$
In terms of the shifted variables we then have the following:
$u^2+v^2+u-v=a-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 1}$
$v^2+w^2+v-w=b-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 2}$
$w^2+u^2+w-u=a-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 3}$
If we add up these equations we discover that the linear terms cancel out producing a sphere centered at the shifted origin. Here the sum is divided by $2$ to isolate the sum $u^2+v^2+w^2$:
$u^2+v^2+w^2=((a+b+c)/2)-(3/4)text{.....Eq. 4}$
Now take twice Eq. 1 and subtract Eqs. 2 and 3. Then similarly take twice Eq. 3 and subtract Eqs. 1 and 2. Dividing both linear combinations by a common factor of 3 on the left side then gives the following differences between the unknowns:
$u-v=((2a-b-c)/3)text{.....Eq. 5}$
$w-u=((2c-a-b)/3)text{.....Eq. 6}$
Now it's easy, albeit messy. Use Eqs. 5 and 6 to eliminate $v$ and $w$, substitute into Eq. 4 for $u$, and (if I have done it right) get the following:
$108u^2+72(c-a)u+(20(a^2+c^2)-32ac-8b(a-b+c)-18(a+b+c)+27)=0$
This may he solved for $u$ and the original target function, $x(1-x)$, may be rendered as
$((1/2)+u)((1/2)-u)=(1/4)-u^2$.
Note that this will be a unique value only if $a=c$ (the cylinders with axes not parallel to the $x$ axis are congruent) or in the degenerate case if a double root (tangency).
Contrary to some of the comments, this is not a high degree system. It turns out to be quadratic.
Geometrically, the system involves three cylinders whose axes are skew perpendicular to one another and equidistant from one another. With this arrangement there is a threefold symmetry among the cylinder axes, with the symmetry axis lying along line $x=y=z$. The presence of this symmetry axis leads to multiple simultaneous cancellations in the algebraic treatment. The cylinders may be unequal in radii so they do not conform to the threefold symmetry, but the parameters that determine the radii do not add any higher degree terms. Thus the degree of the system is greatly reduced by the symmetry among the axes of the cylinders.
Because the system of equations pairs each variable $x,y,z$ with $1-x,1-y,1-z$, let us consider an origin shift defined by
$(u,v,w)=(x-(1/2),y-(1/2),z-(1/2))$
In terms of the shifted variables we then have the following:
$u^2+v^2+u-v=a-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 1}$
$v^2+w^2+v-w=b-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 2}$
$w^2+u^2+w-u=a-(1/2)text{.....Eq. 3}$
If we add up these equations we discover that the linear terms cancel out producing a sphere centered at the shifted origin. Here the sum is divided by $2$ to isolate the sum $u^2+v^2+w^2$:
$u^2+v^2+w^2=((a+b+c)/2)-(3/4)text{.....Eq. 4}$
Now take twice Eq. 1 and subtract Eqs. 2 and 3. Then similarly take twice Eq. 3 and subtract Eqs. 1 and 2. Dividing both linear combinations by a common factor of 3 on the left side then gives the following differences between the unknowns:
$u-v=((2a-b-c)/3)text{.....Eq. 5}$
$w-u=((2c-a-b)/3)text{.....Eq. 6}$
Now it's easy, albeit messy. Use Eqs. 5 and 6 to eliminate $v$ and $w$, substitute into Eq. 4 for $u$, and (if I have done it right) get the following:
$108u^2+72(c-a)u+(20(a^2+c^2)-32ac-8b(a-b+c)-18(a+b+c)+27)=0$
This may he solved for $u$ and the original target function, $x(1-x)$, may be rendered as
$((1/2)+u)((1/2)-u)=(1/4)-u^2$.
Note that this will be a unique value only if $a=c$ (the cylinders with axes not parallel to the $x$ axis are congruent) or in the degenerate case if a double root (tangency).
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I get $108u^2+72(c-a)u+20(a^2+c^2)-8b(a-b+c)-32ac-18(a+b+c)+27$, but I still think OP might really want $Sigma_{cyc} x(1-x)$.
– Jan-Magnus Økland
20 hours ago
That would have been perhaps more realistic for hw, but PLEASE state problems accurately everyone! Corrected the quadratic eqn, thx.
– Oscar Lanzi
19 hours ago
add a comment |
1
I get $108u^2+72(c-a)u+20(a^2+c^2)-8b(a-b+c)-32ac-18(a+b+c)+27$, but I still think OP might really want $Sigma_{cyc} x(1-x)$.
– Jan-Magnus Økland
20 hours ago
That would have been perhaps more realistic for hw, but PLEASE state problems accurately everyone! Corrected the quadratic eqn, thx.
– Oscar Lanzi
19 hours ago
1
1
I get $108u^2+72(c-a)u+20(a^2+c^2)-8b(a-b+c)-32ac-18(a+b+c)+27$, but I still think OP might really want $Sigma_{cyc} x(1-x)$.
– Jan-Magnus Økland
20 hours ago
I get $108u^2+72(c-a)u+20(a^2+c^2)-8b(a-b+c)-32ac-18(a+b+c)+27$, but I still think OP might really want $Sigma_{cyc} x(1-x)$.
– Jan-Magnus Økland
20 hours ago
That would have been perhaps more realistic for hw, but PLEASE state problems accurately everyone! Corrected the quadratic eqn, thx.
– Oscar Lanzi
19 hours ago
That would have been perhaps more realistic for hw, but PLEASE state problems accurately everyone! Corrected the quadratic eqn, thx.
– Oscar Lanzi
19 hours ago
add a comment |
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I don't think the resulting octic is solvable. Wolfy doesn't like it.
– user10354138
yesterday
Please see this: math.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9959/269624
– Yuriy S
yesterday
Considering a-b-c & other two perms looks like a good start
– Richard Martin
yesterday
Is the system assumed to be consistent? And are we considering only reals, or also complex numbers?
– Servaes
yesterday
In M2
R=QQ[a,b,c]
S=R[x,y,z]
I=ideal(x^2+(1-y)^2-a,y^2+(1-z)^2-b,z^2+(1-x)^2-c)
(x*(1-x))%I
$-y+z-frac12 a+ frac12 b- frac12 c+frac12$. And(x*(1-x)+y*(1-y)+z*(1-z))%I
$-frac12 a- frac12 b- frac12 c+frac32$.– Jan-Magnus Økland
yesterday