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I assume that $R$ stands for "real numbers". Anyway everything that follows is true for any first-countable space.



Let $A$ be the set of all limits of all convergent subsequences of $(f_n)$ and let $B=bigcap_m overline{E_m}$.
As usual you have to show two inclusions:



"$A subseteq B$" Pick a convergent subsequence $(f_{n_k})$. By the definition of $E_m$ it follows that $(f_{n_k})$ eventually falls into $E_m$ regardless of $m$. Therefore $lim_{k}f_{n_k}inoverline{E_m}$ for each $m$. In particular $lim_{k}f_{n_k}inbigcap_moverline{E_m}$.



"$A supseteq B$" Let $ainbigcap_moverline{E_m}$. Since $ainoverline{E_m}$ for each $m$ then it follows that $a=lim a_n$ for some sequence $(a_n)subseteq E_m$. The sequence $(a_n)$ depends on $m$ though, so lets denote it as $(a_n^m)$. Also note that it need not be a subsequence of $(f_n)$ even though it is composed of $f_n$'s. For all we know is that it can be for example constant.



So we get a sequence of sequences



$$begin{matrix}
(a_n^1)=& a_1^1 & a_2^1 & a_3^1 & a_4^1 & cdots \
(a_n^2)=& a_1^2 & a_2^2 & a_3^2 & a_4^2 & cdots \
(a_n^3)=& a_1^3 & a_2^3 & a_3^3 & a_4^3 & cdots \
(a_n^4)=& a_1^4 & a_2^4 & a_3^4 & a_4^4 & cdots \
vdots& vdots & vdots & vdots & vdots & ddots
end{matrix}$$



Now pick the diagonal: $b_n=a_n^n$. You can easily check that $b_n$ still converges to $a$. And by the definition of $E_m$ it follows that $b_m=f_k$ for some $k>m$. This property is enough to ensure that $b_m$ and $f_n$ have a common subsequence. This subsequence is what we were looking for and it completes the proof.






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    I assume that $R$ stands for "real numbers". Anyway everything that follows is true for any first-countable space.



    Let $A$ be the set of all limits of all convergent subsequences of $(f_n)$ and let $B=bigcap_m overline{E_m}$.
    As usual you have to show two inclusions:



    "$A subseteq B$" Pick a convergent subsequence $(f_{n_k})$. By the definition of $E_m$ it follows that $(f_{n_k})$ eventually falls into $E_m$ regardless of $m$. Therefore $lim_{k}f_{n_k}inoverline{E_m}$ for each $m$. In particular $lim_{k}f_{n_k}inbigcap_moverline{E_m}$.



    "$A supseteq B$" Let $ainbigcap_moverline{E_m}$. Since $ainoverline{E_m}$ for each $m$ then it follows that $a=lim a_n$ for some sequence $(a_n)subseteq E_m$. The sequence $(a_n)$ depends on $m$ though, so lets denote it as $(a_n^m)$. Also note that it need not be a subsequence of $(f_n)$ even though it is composed of $f_n$'s. For all we know is that it can be for example constant.



    So we get a sequence of sequences



    $$begin{matrix}
    (a_n^1)=& a_1^1 & a_2^1 & a_3^1 & a_4^1 & cdots \
    (a_n^2)=& a_1^2 & a_2^2 & a_3^2 & a_4^2 & cdots \
    (a_n^3)=& a_1^3 & a_2^3 & a_3^3 & a_4^3 & cdots \
    (a_n^4)=& a_1^4 & a_2^4 & a_3^4 & a_4^4 & cdots \
    vdots& vdots & vdots & vdots & vdots & ddots
    end{matrix}$$



    Now pick the diagonal: $b_n=a_n^n$. You can easily check that $b_n$ still converges to $a$. And by the definition of $E_m$ it follows that $b_m=f_k$ for some $k>m$. This property is enough to ensure that $b_m$ and $f_n$ have a common subsequence. This subsequence is what we were looking for and it completes the proof.






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      I assume that $R$ stands for "real numbers". Anyway everything that follows is true for any first-countable space.



      Let $A$ be the set of all limits of all convergent subsequences of $(f_n)$ and let $B=bigcap_m overline{E_m}$.
      As usual you have to show two inclusions:



      "$A subseteq B$" Pick a convergent subsequence $(f_{n_k})$. By the definition of $E_m$ it follows that $(f_{n_k})$ eventually falls into $E_m$ regardless of $m$. Therefore $lim_{k}f_{n_k}inoverline{E_m}$ for each $m$. In particular $lim_{k}f_{n_k}inbigcap_moverline{E_m}$.



      "$A supseteq B$" Let $ainbigcap_moverline{E_m}$. Since $ainoverline{E_m}$ for each $m$ then it follows that $a=lim a_n$ for some sequence $(a_n)subseteq E_m$. The sequence $(a_n)$ depends on $m$ though, so lets denote it as $(a_n^m)$. Also note that it need not be a subsequence of $(f_n)$ even though it is composed of $f_n$'s. For all we know is that it can be for example constant.



      So we get a sequence of sequences



      $$begin{matrix}
      (a_n^1)=& a_1^1 & a_2^1 & a_3^1 & a_4^1 & cdots \
      (a_n^2)=& a_1^2 & a_2^2 & a_3^2 & a_4^2 & cdots \
      (a_n^3)=& a_1^3 & a_2^3 & a_3^3 & a_4^3 & cdots \
      (a_n^4)=& a_1^4 & a_2^4 & a_3^4 & a_4^4 & cdots \
      vdots& vdots & vdots & vdots & vdots & ddots
      end{matrix}$$



      Now pick the diagonal: $b_n=a_n^n$. You can easily check that $b_n$ still converges to $a$. And by the definition of $E_m$ it follows that $b_m=f_k$ for some $k>m$. This property is enough to ensure that $b_m$ and $f_n$ have a common subsequence. This subsequence is what we were looking for and it completes the proof.






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        I assume that $R$ stands for "real numbers". Anyway everything that follows is true for any first-countable space.



        Let $A$ be the set of all limits of all convergent subsequences of $(f_n)$ and let $B=bigcap_m overline{E_m}$.
        As usual you have to show two inclusions:



        "$A subseteq B$" Pick a convergent subsequence $(f_{n_k})$. By the definition of $E_m$ it follows that $(f_{n_k})$ eventually falls into $E_m$ regardless of $m$. Therefore $lim_{k}f_{n_k}inoverline{E_m}$ for each $m$. In particular $lim_{k}f_{n_k}inbigcap_moverline{E_m}$.



        "$A supseteq B$" Let $ainbigcap_moverline{E_m}$. Since $ainoverline{E_m}$ for each $m$ then it follows that $a=lim a_n$ for some sequence $(a_n)subseteq E_m$. The sequence $(a_n)$ depends on $m$ though, so lets denote it as $(a_n^m)$. Also note that it need not be a subsequence of $(f_n)$ even though it is composed of $f_n$'s. For all we know is that it can be for example constant.



        So we get a sequence of sequences



        $$begin{matrix}
        (a_n^1)=& a_1^1 & a_2^1 & a_3^1 & a_4^1 & cdots \
        (a_n^2)=& a_1^2 & a_2^2 & a_3^2 & a_4^2 & cdots \
        (a_n^3)=& a_1^3 & a_2^3 & a_3^3 & a_4^3 & cdots \
        (a_n^4)=& a_1^4 & a_2^4 & a_3^4 & a_4^4 & cdots \
        vdots& vdots & vdots & vdots & vdots & ddots
        end{matrix}$$



        Now pick the diagonal: $b_n=a_n^n$. You can easily check that $b_n$ still converges to $a$. And by the definition of $E_m$ it follows that $b_m=f_k$ for some $k>m$. This property is enough to ensure that $b_m$ and $f_n$ have a common subsequence. This subsequence is what we were looking for and it completes the proof.






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        I assume that $R$ stands for "real numbers". Anyway everything that follows is true for any first-countable space.



        Let $A$ be the set of all limits of all convergent subsequences of $(f_n)$ and let $B=bigcap_m overline{E_m}$.
        As usual you have to show two inclusions:



        "$A subseteq B$" Pick a convergent subsequence $(f_{n_k})$. By the definition of $E_m$ it follows that $(f_{n_k})$ eventually falls into $E_m$ regardless of $m$. Therefore $lim_{k}f_{n_k}inoverline{E_m}$ for each $m$. In particular $lim_{k}f_{n_k}inbigcap_moverline{E_m}$.



        "$A supseteq B$" Let $ainbigcap_moverline{E_m}$. Since $ainoverline{E_m}$ for each $m$ then it follows that $a=lim a_n$ for some sequence $(a_n)subseteq E_m$. The sequence $(a_n)$ depends on $m$ though, so lets denote it as $(a_n^m)$. Also note that it need not be a subsequence of $(f_n)$ even though it is composed of $f_n$'s. For all we know is that it can be for example constant.



        So we get a sequence of sequences



        $$begin{matrix}
        (a_n^1)=& a_1^1 & a_2^1 & a_3^1 & a_4^1 & cdots \
        (a_n^2)=& a_1^2 & a_2^2 & a_3^2 & a_4^2 & cdots \
        (a_n^3)=& a_1^3 & a_2^3 & a_3^3 & a_4^3 & cdots \
        (a_n^4)=& a_1^4 & a_2^4 & a_3^4 & a_4^4 & cdots \
        vdots& vdots & vdots & vdots & vdots & ddots
        end{matrix}$$



        Now pick the diagonal: $b_n=a_n^n$. You can easily check that $b_n$ still converges to $a$. And by the definition of $E_m$ it follows that $b_m=f_k$ for some $k>m$. This property is enough to ensure that $b_m$ and $f_n$ have a common subsequence. This subsequence is what we were looking for and it completes the proof.







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