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I am looking the solution of the exercice 7.4 in the book Analysis of Lieb--Loss:



Suppose that $fin H^1(mathbb R^n)$. Show that for each $1leq ileq n$
$$
int_{mathbb R^n}|partial_if|^2=lim_{tto 0}frac{1}{t^2}int_{mathbb R^n}|f(x+tmathbf{e}_i)-f(x)|^2{rm d}x
$$

where $mathbf{e}_i$ is the unit vector in the direction $i$.



My approach is to approximate $fin H^1(mathbb R^n)$ by a sequence of $C_c^infty(mathbb R^n)$ functions. Then we can check the above identity for this smooth with compact support function. But then I do not know how to go back to the function in $H^1(mathbb R^n)$.










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    I am looking the solution of the exercice 7.4 in the book Analysis of Lieb--Loss:



    Suppose that $fin H^1(mathbb R^n)$. Show that for each $1leq ileq n$
    $$
    int_{mathbb R^n}|partial_if|^2=lim_{tto 0}frac{1}{t^2}int_{mathbb R^n}|f(x+tmathbf{e}_i)-f(x)|^2{rm d}x
    $$

    where $mathbf{e}_i$ is the unit vector in the direction $i$.



    My approach is to approximate $fin H^1(mathbb R^n)$ by a sequence of $C_c^infty(mathbb R^n)$ functions. Then we can check the above identity for this smooth with compact support function. But then I do not know how to go back to the function in $H^1(mathbb R^n)$.










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      I am looking the solution of the exercice 7.4 in the book Analysis of Lieb--Loss:



      Suppose that $fin H^1(mathbb R^n)$. Show that for each $1leq ileq n$
      $$
      int_{mathbb R^n}|partial_if|^2=lim_{tto 0}frac{1}{t^2}int_{mathbb R^n}|f(x+tmathbf{e}_i)-f(x)|^2{rm d}x
      $$

      where $mathbf{e}_i$ is the unit vector in the direction $i$.



      My approach is to approximate $fin H^1(mathbb R^n)$ by a sequence of $C_c^infty(mathbb R^n)$ functions. Then we can check the above identity for this smooth with compact support function. But then I do not know how to go back to the function in $H^1(mathbb R^n)$.










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      I am looking the solution of the exercice 7.4 in the book Analysis of Lieb--Loss:



      Suppose that $fin H^1(mathbb R^n)$. Show that for each $1leq ileq n$
      $$
      int_{mathbb R^n}|partial_if|^2=lim_{tto 0}frac{1}{t^2}int_{mathbb R^n}|f(x+tmathbf{e}_i)-f(x)|^2{rm d}x
      $$

      where $mathbf{e}_i$ is the unit vector in the direction $i$.



      My approach is to approximate $fin H^1(mathbb R^n)$ by a sequence of $C_c^infty(mathbb R^n)$ functions. Then we can check the above identity for this smooth with compact support function. But then I do not know how to go back to the function in $H^1(mathbb R^n)$.







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          You're right - since there is a limit $t to 0$ involved, it's not obvious how to apply the density of $C_c^infty$ in $W^{1,2}$. A priori it's not even clear that the limit exists. You can do it as follows.



          To simplify the notation, let
          $$
          partial^t_i f(x) := frac{f(x + t e_i) - f(x)}{t}.
          $$



          Step 1. Check that $| partial_i^t f |_{L^2} le | partial_i f |_{L^2}$ for each $f in C_c^infty$ and $t > 0$.



          Step 2. By density, the same holds also for $f in W^{1,2}$. This shows that
          $$
          | partial_i f |_{L^2} ge limsup_{t to 0} | partial_i^t f |_{L^2}.
          $$



          Step 3. Consider $f in W^{1,2}$. Assume that for some sequence $t_k to 0$, $partial_i^{t_k} f$ tends weakly in $L^2$ to some function $g in L^2$, then $g$ is the distributional partial derivative $partial_i f$. To see it, consider the integral $int partial_i^t f varphi$ with some test function $varphi in C_c^infty$, apply discrete integration by parts and take the limit.



          Note that weak convergence gives you $| g |_{L^2} le liminf_{k to infty} | partial_i^{t_k} f |_{L^2}$ and so
          $$
          | partial_i f |_{L^2} le liminf_{t to 0} | partial_i^t f |_{L^2}.
          $$






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            You're right - since there is a limit $t to 0$ involved, it's not obvious how to apply the density of $C_c^infty$ in $W^{1,2}$. A priori it's not even clear that the limit exists. You can do it as follows.



            To simplify the notation, let
            $$
            partial^t_i f(x) := frac{f(x + t e_i) - f(x)}{t}.
            $$



            Step 1. Check that $| partial_i^t f |_{L^2} le | partial_i f |_{L^2}$ for each $f in C_c^infty$ and $t > 0$.



            Step 2. By density, the same holds also for $f in W^{1,2}$. This shows that
            $$
            | partial_i f |_{L^2} ge limsup_{t to 0} | partial_i^t f |_{L^2}.
            $$



            Step 3. Consider $f in W^{1,2}$. Assume that for some sequence $t_k to 0$, $partial_i^{t_k} f$ tends weakly in $L^2$ to some function $g in L^2$, then $g$ is the distributional partial derivative $partial_i f$. To see it, consider the integral $int partial_i^t f varphi$ with some test function $varphi in C_c^infty$, apply discrete integration by parts and take the limit.



            Note that weak convergence gives you $| g |_{L^2} le liminf_{k to infty} | partial_i^{t_k} f |_{L^2}$ and so
            $$
            | partial_i f |_{L^2} le liminf_{t to 0} | partial_i^t f |_{L^2}.
            $$






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              You're right - since there is a limit $t to 0$ involved, it's not obvious how to apply the density of $C_c^infty$ in $W^{1,2}$. A priori it's not even clear that the limit exists. You can do it as follows.



              To simplify the notation, let
              $$
              partial^t_i f(x) := frac{f(x + t e_i) - f(x)}{t}.
              $$



              Step 1. Check that $| partial_i^t f |_{L^2} le | partial_i f |_{L^2}$ for each $f in C_c^infty$ and $t > 0$.



              Step 2. By density, the same holds also for $f in W^{1,2}$. This shows that
              $$
              | partial_i f |_{L^2} ge limsup_{t to 0} | partial_i^t f |_{L^2}.
              $$



              Step 3. Consider $f in W^{1,2}$. Assume that for some sequence $t_k to 0$, $partial_i^{t_k} f$ tends weakly in $L^2$ to some function $g in L^2$, then $g$ is the distributional partial derivative $partial_i f$. To see it, consider the integral $int partial_i^t f varphi$ with some test function $varphi in C_c^infty$, apply discrete integration by parts and take the limit.



              Note that weak convergence gives you $| g |_{L^2} le liminf_{k to infty} | partial_i^{t_k} f |_{L^2}$ and so
              $$
              | partial_i f |_{L^2} le liminf_{t to 0} | partial_i^t f |_{L^2}.
              $$






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                You're right - since there is a limit $t to 0$ involved, it's not obvious how to apply the density of $C_c^infty$ in $W^{1,2}$. A priori it's not even clear that the limit exists. You can do it as follows.



                To simplify the notation, let
                $$
                partial^t_i f(x) := frac{f(x + t e_i) - f(x)}{t}.
                $$



                Step 1. Check that $| partial_i^t f |_{L^2} le | partial_i f |_{L^2}$ for each $f in C_c^infty$ and $t > 0$.



                Step 2. By density, the same holds also for $f in W^{1,2}$. This shows that
                $$
                | partial_i f |_{L^2} ge limsup_{t to 0} | partial_i^t f |_{L^2}.
                $$



                Step 3. Consider $f in W^{1,2}$. Assume that for some sequence $t_k to 0$, $partial_i^{t_k} f$ tends weakly in $L^2$ to some function $g in L^2$, then $g$ is the distributional partial derivative $partial_i f$. To see it, consider the integral $int partial_i^t f varphi$ with some test function $varphi in C_c^infty$, apply discrete integration by parts and take the limit.



                Note that weak convergence gives you $| g |_{L^2} le liminf_{k to infty} | partial_i^{t_k} f |_{L^2}$ and so
                $$
                | partial_i f |_{L^2} le liminf_{t to 0} | partial_i^t f |_{L^2}.
                $$






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                You're right - since there is a limit $t to 0$ involved, it's not obvious how to apply the density of $C_c^infty$ in $W^{1,2}$. A priori it's not even clear that the limit exists. You can do it as follows.



                To simplify the notation, let
                $$
                partial^t_i f(x) := frac{f(x + t e_i) - f(x)}{t}.
                $$



                Step 1. Check that $| partial_i^t f |_{L^2} le | partial_i f |_{L^2}$ for each $f in C_c^infty$ and $t > 0$.



                Step 2. By density, the same holds also for $f in W^{1,2}$. This shows that
                $$
                | partial_i f |_{L^2} ge limsup_{t to 0} | partial_i^t f |_{L^2}.
                $$



                Step 3. Consider $f in W^{1,2}$. Assume that for some sequence $t_k to 0$, $partial_i^{t_k} f$ tends weakly in $L^2$ to some function $g in L^2$, then $g$ is the distributional partial derivative $partial_i f$. To see it, consider the integral $int partial_i^t f varphi$ with some test function $varphi in C_c^infty$, apply discrete integration by parts and take the limit.



                Note that weak convergence gives you $| g |_{L^2} le liminf_{k to infty} | partial_i^{t_k} f |_{L^2}$ and so
                $$
                | partial_i f |_{L^2} le liminf_{t to 0} | partial_i^t f |_{L^2}.
                $$







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