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I am to consider two paths traveled below:



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With the following vector field:



$$vec F = frac{-y hat x + xhat y}{x^2+y^2}$$



And I am to consider the work done going from $(-1,0)$ to $(1,0)$ with the circular and straight path. The work integral is:



$$int_C vec F cdot dvec r$$



The circular path I find is relatively straightforward (as this vector field looks a lot nicer in polar), however computing the line path is something I have difficulties with. My work integral looks like:



$$W = int_{C} frac{-y}{x^2+y^2}dx + int_{C} frac{x}{x^2+y^2}dy$$



Where $C_1$ and $C_2$ represent each line of the path for $y=x +1$ and $y=-x+1$.



For the $dx$ integral, I need to work out how $y$ depends on $x$ for each line. I've called for the parametrization $y=x+1$ and $y=x-1$ for the appropriate line.



$$ int_{C} frac{-y}{x^2+y^2}dx = - int_{-1}^0 frac{x+1}{x^2 + (x+1)^2} + int_0^1 frac{-x+1}{x^2 + (-x+1)^2}$$



Apart from this looking quite hard to integrate, online calculators put each at$-pi/4$. However, the $y$ integral is something that's causing me difficulty. It goes from $0$ to $1$ to $0$, so I'll need to split it up into two integrals, but what parametrization would I use? Would it be $y=x+1 implies x = y -1$ for one integral and $y = x+1$ for the other? If so, how could I justify this other than a guess? If so, integrating this seemed to produce a messy answer that doesn't seem to look right, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. Is there a more efficient way to go about this?










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    I am to consider two paths traveled below:



    enter image description here



    With the following vector field:



    $$vec F = frac{-y hat x + xhat y}{x^2+y^2}$$



    And I am to consider the work done going from $(-1,0)$ to $(1,0)$ with the circular and straight path. The work integral is:



    $$int_C vec F cdot dvec r$$



    The circular path I find is relatively straightforward (as this vector field looks a lot nicer in polar), however computing the line path is something I have difficulties with. My work integral looks like:



    $$W = int_{C} frac{-y}{x^2+y^2}dx + int_{C} frac{x}{x^2+y^2}dy$$



    Where $C_1$ and $C_2$ represent each line of the path for $y=x +1$ and $y=-x+1$.



    For the $dx$ integral, I need to work out how $y$ depends on $x$ for each line. I've called for the parametrization $y=x+1$ and $y=x-1$ for the appropriate line.



    $$ int_{C} frac{-y}{x^2+y^2}dx = - int_{-1}^0 frac{x+1}{x^2 + (x+1)^2} + int_0^1 frac{-x+1}{x^2 + (-x+1)^2}$$



    Apart from this looking quite hard to integrate, online calculators put each at$-pi/4$. However, the $y$ integral is something that's causing me difficulty. It goes from $0$ to $1$ to $0$, so I'll need to split it up into two integrals, but what parametrization would I use? Would it be $y=x+1 implies x = y -1$ for one integral and $y = x+1$ for the other? If so, how could I justify this other than a guess? If so, integrating this seemed to produce a messy answer that doesn't seem to look right, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. Is there a more efficient way to go about this?










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      I am to consider two paths traveled below:



      enter image description here



      With the following vector field:



      $$vec F = frac{-y hat x + xhat y}{x^2+y^2}$$



      And I am to consider the work done going from $(-1,0)$ to $(1,0)$ with the circular and straight path. The work integral is:



      $$int_C vec F cdot dvec r$$



      The circular path I find is relatively straightforward (as this vector field looks a lot nicer in polar), however computing the line path is something I have difficulties with. My work integral looks like:



      $$W = int_{C} frac{-y}{x^2+y^2}dx + int_{C} frac{x}{x^2+y^2}dy$$



      Where $C_1$ and $C_2$ represent each line of the path for $y=x +1$ and $y=-x+1$.



      For the $dx$ integral, I need to work out how $y$ depends on $x$ for each line. I've called for the parametrization $y=x+1$ and $y=x-1$ for the appropriate line.



      $$ int_{C} frac{-y}{x^2+y^2}dx = - int_{-1}^0 frac{x+1}{x^2 + (x+1)^2} + int_0^1 frac{-x+1}{x^2 + (-x+1)^2}$$



      Apart from this looking quite hard to integrate, online calculators put each at$-pi/4$. However, the $y$ integral is something that's causing me difficulty. It goes from $0$ to $1$ to $0$, so I'll need to split it up into two integrals, but what parametrization would I use? Would it be $y=x+1 implies x = y -1$ for one integral and $y = x+1$ for the other? If so, how could I justify this other than a guess? If so, integrating this seemed to produce a messy answer that doesn't seem to look right, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. Is there a more efficient way to go about this?










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      I am to consider two paths traveled below:



      enter image description here



      With the following vector field:



      $$vec F = frac{-y hat x + xhat y}{x^2+y^2}$$



      And I am to consider the work done going from $(-1,0)$ to $(1,0)$ with the circular and straight path. The work integral is:



      $$int_C vec F cdot dvec r$$



      The circular path I find is relatively straightforward (as this vector field looks a lot nicer in polar), however computing the line path is something I have difficulties with. My work integral looks like:



      $$W = int_{C} frac{-y}{x^2+y^2}dx + int_{C} frac{x}{x^2+y^2}dy$$



      Where $C_1$ and $C_2$ represent each line of the path for $y=x +1$ and $y=-x+1$.



      For the $dx$ integral, I need to work out how $y$ depends on $x$ for each line. I've called for the parametrization $y=x+1$ and $y=x-1$ for the appropriate line.



      $$ int_{C} frac{-y}{x^2+y^2}dx = - int_{-1}^0 frac{x+1}{x^2 + (x+1)^2} + int_0^1 frac{-x+1}{x^2 + (-x+1)^2}$$



      Apart from this looking quite hard to integrate, online calculators put each at$-pi/4$. However, the $y$ integral is something that's causing me difficulty. It goes from $0$ to $1$ to $0$, so I'll need to split it up into two integrals, but what parametrization would I use? Would it be $y=x+1 implies x = y -1$ for one integral and $y = x+1$ for the other? If so, how could I justify this other than a guess? If so, integrating this seemed to produce a messy answer that doesn't seem to look right, but that doesn't mean it's wrong. Is there a more efficient way to go about this?







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          Along the path:
          $x+y = 1$



          let $x = 1-t, y = t$



          $x' = -1, y' = 1$



          $int_0^1 frac {-y x' + x y'}{x^2 + y^2} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{t^2 -2t + 1 + t^2} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2t^2 - 2t + 1} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2(t^2 - t + frac 14) + frac 12} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2(t - frac 12)^2 + frac 12} dt $



          We need a substitution.



          We might have avoided it had we chosen a different peramiterization at the beginning... oh well.



          $t - frac 12 =frac {1}{2}tantheta\
          dt = frac {1}{2}sec^2theta$



          $frac{1}{2}int_{-frac {pi}{4}}^{frac {pi}{4}} frac {sec^2theta}{frac 12 sec^2theta} dtheta \
          int_{-frac {pi}{4}}^{frac {pi}{4}} dtheta \
          frac {pi}{2}$



          And I suspect you will get the identical answer when we look at



          $y-x = 1$



          In hindsight, $F(x,y)$ is a conservative force.



          $nabla (arctan frac yx) = F(x,y)$



          Which means that all path integrals with the same endpoints will be the same.






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          • Even paths that enclose the origin?
            – amd
            Nov 14 at 1:14










          • I have reversed limits. For me, $F cdot dr/dt = y/(x^2+y^2) + x/(x^2+y^2)$ and the limits for $x = 0$ and $x=1$ for $t$ if $x = 1-t$ should be $ x = 0 implies t = 1$ and $x =1 implies t = 0$ which gives me an answer of $-pi/2$ for this.
            – sangstar
            Nov 14 at 12:00












          • @amd The path discussed here does not enclose the origin. If you have a conservative field with a discontinuity, all paths that enclose the discontinuity will evaluate the same but they will not necessarily be 0.
            – Doug M
            Nov 14 at 17:23












          • @sangstar I see the error of my ways. I thought we were traveling from (1,0) to (0,1) to (-1,0) in a counter-clockwise trip. Counterclockwise is just so much more common in these sorts of problems. That will indeed flip the sign.
            – Doug M
            Nov 14 at 17:27










          • But then it’s not the case the “all path integrals with the same endpoints will be the same.” That’s what I was too obliquely picking on.
            – amd
            Nov 14 at 19:42











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          Along the path:
          $x+y = 1$



          let $x = 1-t, y = t$



          $x' = -1, y' = 1$



          $int_0^1 frac {-y x' + x y'}{x^2 + y^2} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{t^2 -2t + 1 + t^2} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2t^2 - 2t + 1} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2(t^2 - t + frac 14) + frac 12} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2(t - frac 12)^2 + frac 12} dt $



          We need a substitution.



          We might have avoided it had we chosen a different peramiterization at the beginning... oh well.



          $t - frac 12 =frac {1}{2}tantheta\
          dt = frac {1}{2}sec^2theta$



          $frac{1}{2}int_{-frac {pi}{4}}^{frac {pi}{4}} frac {sec^2theta}{frac 12 sec^2theta} dtheta \
          int_{-frac {pi}{4}}^{frac {pi}{4}} dtheta \
          frac {pi}{2}$



          And I suspect you will get the identical answer when we look at



          $y-x = 1$



          In hindsight, $F(x,y)$ is a conservative force.



          $nabla (arctan frac yx) = F(x,y)$



          Which means that all path integrals with the same endpoints will be the same.






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          • Even paths that enclose the origin?
            – amd
            Nov 14 at 1:14










          • I have reversed limits. For me, $F cdot dr/dt = y/(x^2+y^2) + x/(x^2+y^2)$ and the limits for $x = 0$ and $x=1$ for $t$ if $x = 1-t$ should be $ x = 0 implies t = 1$ and $x =1 implies t = 0$ which gives me an answer of $-pi/2$ for this.
            – sangstar
            Nov 14 at 12:00












          • @amd The path discussed here does not enclose the origin. If you have a conservative field with a discontinuity, all paths that enclose the discontinuity will evaluate the same but they will not necessarily be 0.
            – Doug M
            Nov 14 at 17:23












          • @sangstar I see the error of my ways. I thought we were traveling from (1,0) to (0,1) to (-1,0) in a counter-clockwise trip. Counterclockwise is just so much more common in these sorts of problems. That will indeed flip the sign.
            – Doug M
            Nov 14 at 17:27










          • But then it’s not the case the “all path integrals with the same endpoints will be the same.” That’s what I was too obliquely picking on.
            – amd
            Nov 14 at 19:42















          up vote
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          Along the path:
          $x+y = 1$



          let $x = 1-t, y = t$



          $x' = -1, y' = 1$



          $int_0^1 frac {-y x' + x y'}{x^2 + y^2} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{t^2 -2t + 1 + t^2} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2t^2 - 2t + 1} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2(t^2 - t + frac 14) + frac 12} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2(t - frac 12)^2 + frac 12} dt $



          We need a substitution.



          We might have avoided it had we chosen a different peramiterization at the beginning... oh well.



          $t - frac 12 =frac {1}{2}tantheta\
          dt = frac {1}{2}sec^2theta$



          $frac{1}{2}int_{-frac {pi}{4}}^{frac {pi}{4}} frac {sec^2theta}{frac 12 sec^2theta} dtheta \
          int_{-frac {pi}{4}}^{frac {pi}{4}} dtheta \
          frac {pi}{2}$



          And I suspect you will get the identical answer when we look at



          $y-x = 1$



          In hindsight, $F(x,y)$ is a conservative force.



          $nabla (arctan frac yx) = F(x,y)$



          Which means that all path integrals with the same endpoints will be the same.






          share|cite|improve this answer























          • Even paths that enclose the origin?
            – amd
            Nov 14 at 1:14










          • I have reversed limits. For me, $F cdot dr/dt = y/(x^2+y^2) + x/(x^2+y^2)$ and the limits for $x = 0$ and $x=1$ for $t$ if $x = 1-t$ should be $ x = 0 implies t = 1$ and $x =1 implies t = 0$ which gives me an answer of $-pi/2$ for this.
            – sangstar
            Nov 14 at 12:00












          • @amd The path discussed here does not enclose the origin. If you have a conservative field with a discontinuity, all paths that enclose the discontinuity will evaluate the same but they will not necessarily be 0.
            – Doug M
            Nov 14 at 17:23












          • @sangstar I see the error of my ways. I thought we were traveling from (1,0) to (0,1) to (-1,0) in a counter-clockwise trip. Counterclockwise is just so much more common in these sorts of problems. That will indeed flip the sign.
            – Doug M
            Nov 14 at 17:27










          • But then it’s not the case the “all path integrals with the same endpoints will be the same.” That’s what I was too obliquely picking on.
            – amd
            Nov 14 at 19:42













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          Along the path:
          $x+y = 1$



          let $x = 1-t, y = t$



          $x' = -1, y' = 1$



          $int_0^1 frac {-y x' + x y'}{x^2 + y^2} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{t^2 -2t + 1 + t^2} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2t^2 - 2t + 1} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2(t^2 - t + frac 14) + frac 12} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2(t - frac 12)^2 + frac 12} dt $



          We need a substitution.



          We might have avoided it had we chosen a different peramiterization at the beginning... oh well.



          $t - frac 12 =frac {1}{2}tantheta\
          dt = frac {1}{2}sec^2theta$



          $frac{1}{2}int_{-frac {pi}{4}}^{frac {pi}{4}} frac {sec^2theta}{frac 12 sec^2theta} dtheta \
          int_{-frac {pi}{4}}^{frac {pi}{4}} dtheta \
          frac {pi}{2}$



          And I suspect you will get the identical answer when we look at



          $y-x = 1$



          In hindsight, $F(x,y)$ is a conservative force.



          $nabla (arctan frac yx) = F(x,y)$



          Which means that all path integrals with the same endpoints will be the same.






          share|cite|improve this answer














          Along the path:
          $x+y = 1$



          let $x = 1-t, y = t$



          $x' = -1, y' = 1$



          $int_0^1 frac {-y x' + x y'}{x^2 + y^2} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{t^2 -2t + 1 + t^2} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2t^2 - 2t + 1} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2(t^2 - t + frac 14) + frac 12} dt \
          int_0^1 frac {1}{2(t - frac 12)^2 + frac 12} dt $



          We need a substitution.



          We might have avoided it had we chosen a different peramiterization at the beginning... oh well.



          $t - frac 12 =frac {1}{2}tantheta\
          dt = frac {1}{2}sec^2theta$



          $frac{1}{2}int_{-frac {pi}{4}}^{frac {pi}{4}} frac {sec^2theta}{frac 12 sec^2theta} dtheta \
          int_{-frac {pi}{4}}^{frac {pi}{4}} dtheta \
          frac {pi}{2}$



          And I suspect you will get the identical answer when we look at



          $y-x = 1$



          In hindsight, $F(x,y)$ is a conservative force.



          $nabla (arctan frac yx) = F(x,y)$



          Which means that all path integrals with the same endpoints will be the same.







          share|cite|improve this answer














          share|cite|improve this answer



          share|cite|improve this answer








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          • Even paths that enclose the origin?
            – amd
            Nov 14 at 1:14










          • I have reversed limits. For me, $F cdot dr/dt = y/(x^2+y^2) + x/(x^2+y^2)$ and the limits for $x = 0$ and $x=1$ for $t$ if $x = 1-t$ should be $ x = 0 implies t = 1$ and $x =1 implies t = 0$ which gives me an answer of $-pi/2$ for this.
            – sangstar
            Nov 14 at 12:00












          • @amd The path discussed here does not enclose the origin. If you have a conservative field with a discontinuity, all paths that enclose the discontinuity will evaluate the same but they will not necessarily be 0.
            – Doug M
            Nov 14 at 17:23












          • @sangstar I see the error of my ways. I thought we were traveling from (1,0) to (0,1) to (-1,0) in a counter-clockwise trip. Counterclockwise is just so much more common in these sorts of problems. That will indeed flip the sign.
            – Doug M
            Nov 14 at 17:27










          • But then it’s not the case the “all path integrals with the same endpoints will be the same.” That’s what I was too obliquely picking on.
            – amd
            Nov 14 at 19:42


















          • Even paths that enclose the origin?
            – amd
            Nov 14 at 1:14










          • I have reversed limits. For me, $F cdot dr/dt = y/(x^2+y^2) + x/(x^2+y^2)$ and the limits for $x = 0$ and $x=1$ for $t$ if $x = 1-t$ should be $ x = 0 implies t = 1$ and $x =1 implies t = 0$ which gives me an answer of $-pi/2$ for this.
            – sangstar
            Nov 14 at 12:00












          • @amd The path discussed here does not enclose the origin. If you have a conservative field with a discontinuity, all paths that enclose the discontinuity will evaluate the same but they will not necessarily be 0.
            – Doug M
            Nov 14 at 17:23












          • @sangstar I see the error of my ways. I thought we were traveling from (1,0) to (0,1) to (-1,0) in a counter-clockwise trip. Counterclockwise is just so much more common in these sorts of problems. That will indeed flip the sign.
            – Doug M
            Nov 14 at 17:27










          • But then it’s not the case the “all path integrals with the same endpoints will be the same.” That’s what I was too obliquely picking on.
            – amd
            Nov 14 at 19:42
















          Even paths that enclose the origin?
          – amd
          Nov 14 at 1:14




          Even paths that enclose the origin?
          – amd
          Nov 14 at 1:14












          I have reversed limits. For me, $F cdot dr/dt = y/(x^2+y^2) + x/(x^2+y^2)$ and the limits for $x = 0$ and $x=1$ for $t$ if $x = 1-t$ should be $ x = 0 implies t = 1$ and $x =1 implies t = 0$ which gives me an answer of $-pi/2$ for this.
          – sangstar
          Nov 14 at 12:00






          I have reversed limits. For me, $F cdot dr/dt = y/(x^2+y^2) + x/(x^2+y^2)$ and the limits for $x = 0$ and $x=1$ for $t$ if $x = 1-t$ should be $ x = 0 implies t = 1$ and $x =1 implies t = 0$ which gives me an answer of $-pi/2$ for this.
          – sangstar
          Nov 14 at 12:00














          @amd The path discussed here does not enclose the origin. If you have a conservative field with a discontinuity, all paths that enclose the discontinuity will evaluate the same but they will not necessarily be 0.
          – Doug M
          Nov 14 at 17:23






          @amd The path discussed here does not enclose the origin. If you have a conservative field with a discontinuity, all paths that enclose the discontinuity will evaluate the same but they will not necessarily be 0.
          – Doug M
          Nov 14 at 17:23














          @sangstar I see the error of my ways. I thought we were traveling from (1,0) to (0,1) to (-1,0) in a counter-clockwise trip. Counterclockwise is just so much more common in these sorts of problems. That will indeed flip the sign.
          – Doug M
          Nov 14 at 17:27




          @sangstar I see the error of my ways. I thought we were traveling from (1,0) to (0,1) to (-1,0) in a counter-clockwise trip. Counterclockwise is just so much more common in these sorts of problems. That will indeed flip the sign.
          – Doug M
          Nov 14 at 17:27












          But then it’s not the case the “all path integrals with the same endpoints will be the same.” That’s what I was too obliquely picking on.
          – amd
          Nov 14 at 19:42




          But then it’s not the case the “all path integrals with the same endpoints will be the same.” That’s what I was too obliquely picking on.
          – amd
          Nov 14 at 19:42


















           

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