Finding the extrema of $f(x,y) = 2x^{4} - 3x^{2}y + y^{2}$












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$$f(x,y) = 2x^{4} - 3x^{2}y + y^{2}$$



I found the stationary points of this function using the equations -



$$frac{partial f}{partial x} = 0 qquad frac{partial f}{partial y} = 0$$



I got $(0,0)$.



Now we calculate $R$, $S$, and $T$ at $(0,0)$ where



$$R = frac{partial^{2} f}{partial x^{2} } qquad
S = frac{partial^{2} f}{partial xpartial y} qquad
T = frac{partial^{2} f}{partial y^{2} }$$



then,
$$RT - S^{2} = 0$$



This does't lead to any result. How to find nature of this stationary point?



I know what local minima, local maxima, and saddle points are, but how to find the nature of $(0,0)$?






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    Look at this post math.stackexchange.com/questions/2156583/…
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    You should show what you got for all of the derivatives, just in case there was a stray sign error or something.
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$begingroup$


$$f(x,y) = 2x^{4} - 3x^{2}y + y^{2}$$



I found the stationary points of this function using the equations -



$$frac{partial f}{partial x} = 0 qquad frac{partial f}{partial y} = 0$$



I got $(0,0)$.



Now we calculate $R$, $S$, and $T$ at $(0,0)$ where



$$R = frac{partial^{2} f}{partial x^{2} } qquad
S = frac{partial^{2} f}{partial xpartial y} qquad
T = frac{partial^{2} f}{partial y^{2} }$$



then,
$$RT - S^{2} = 0$$



This does't lead to any result. How to find nature of this stationary point?



I know what local minima, local maxima, and saddle points are, but how to find the nature of $(0,0)$?






calculus







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    Look at this post math.stackexchange.com/questions/2156583/…
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    – Paul
    Dec 11 '18 at 8:28










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    You should show what you got for all of the derivatives, just in case there was a stray sign error or something.
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    – Blue
    Dec 11 '18 at 8:45














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$begingroup$


$$f(x,y) = 2x^{4} - 3x^{2}y + y^{2}$$



I found the stationary points of this function using the equations -



$$frac{partial f}{partial x} = 0 qquad frac{partial f}{partial y} = 0$$



I got $(0,0)$.



Now we calculate $R$, $S$, and $T$ at $(0,0)$ where



$$R = frac{partial^{2} f}{partial x^{2} } qquad
S = frac{partial^{2} f}{partial xpartial y} qquad
T = frac{partial^{2} f}{partial y^{2} }$$



then,
$$RT - S^{2} = 0$$



This does't lead to any result. How to find nature of this stationary point?



I know what local minima, local maxima, and saddle points are, but how to find the nature of $(0,0)$?






calculus







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$$f(x,y) = 2x^{4} - 3x^{2}y + y^{2}$$



I found the stationary points of this function using the equations -



$$frac{partial f}{partial x} = 0 qquad frac{partial f}{partial y} = 0$$



I got $(0,0)$.



Now we calculate $R$, $S$, and $T$ at $(0,0)$ where



$$R = frac{partial^{2} f}{partial x^{2} } qquad
S = frac{partial^{2} f}{partial xpartial y} qquad
T = frac{partial^{2} f}{partial y^{2} }$$



then,
$$RT - S^{2} = 0$$



This does't lead to any result. How to find nature of this stationary point?



I know what local minima, local maxima, and saddle points are, but how to find the nature of $(0,0)$?






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  • $begingroup$
    Look at this post math.stackexchange.com/questions/2156583/…
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    – Paul
    Dec 11 '18 at 8:28










  • $begingroup$
    You should show what you got for all of the derivatives, just in case there was a stray sign error or something.
    $endgroup$
    – Blue
    Dec 11 '18 at 8:45


















  • $begingroup$
    Look at this post math.stackexchange.com/questions/2156583/…
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    – Paul
    Dec 11 '18 at 8:28










  • $begingroup$
    You should show what you got for all of the derivatives, just in case there was a stray sign error or something.
    $endgroup$
    – Blue
    Dec 11 '18 at 8:45
















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Look at this post math.stackexchange.com/questions/2156583/…
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– Paul
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Look at this post math.stackexchange.com/questions/2156583/…
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– Paul
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You should show what you got for all of the derivatives, just in case there was a stray sign error or something.
$endgroup$
– Blue
Dec 11 '18 at 8:45




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You should show what you got for all of the derivatives, just in case there was a stray sign error or something.
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$$f(x,y)=2x^4-3x^2y+y^2=left( y-2 {{x}^{2}}right) , left( y-{{x}^{2}}right)$$
$$fleft( varepsilon ,frac{3 {{epsilon }^{2}}}{2}right) =-frac{{{varepsilon }^{4}}}{4}<0$$
$$fleft( varepsilon ,frac{{{varepsilon }^{2}}}{2}right) =frac{3 {{varepsilon }^{4}}}{4}>0$$



Then $(0,0)$ is saddle point.






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    $f(0,0)=0.$

    Along the line $y=0$ is $$f(x,0)=2x^4>0$$ in a neighborhood of $(0,0),$



    EDIT

    while along $y=frac 32 x^2;$ it is $$f(x,frac 32 x^2)=-frac 14 x^4<0$$ in a neighborhood of $(0,0).$

    Therefore is $(0,0)$ a saddle point.






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      $f(x,x) = 2x^4 - 3x^3 + x^2$. Also $f(x,x)>0$ is $x$ is small
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    From $f(x,y)=2(x^2-frac34y)^2-frac18y^2$ it's easy to see that $(0,0)$ is a saddle.






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      $begingroup$

      $$f(x,y)=2x^4-3x^2y+y^2=left( y-2 {{x}^{2}}right) , left( y-{{x}^{2}}right)$$
      $$fleft( varepsilon ,frac{3 {{epsilon }^{2}}}{2}right) =-frac{{{varepsilon }^{4}}}{4}<0$$
      $$fleft( varepsilon ,frac{{{varepsilon }^{2}}}{2}right) =frac{3 {{varepsilon }^{4}}}{4}>0$$



      Then $(0,0)$ is saddle point.






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        $$f(x,y)=2x^4-3x^2y+y^2=left( y-2 {{x}^{2}}right) , left( y-{{x}^{2}}right)$$
        $$fleft( varepsilon ,frac{3 {{epsilon }^{2}}}{2}right) =-frac{{{varepsilon }^{4}}}{4}<0$$
        $$fleft( varepsilon ,frac{{{varepsilon }^{2}}}{2}right) =frac{3 {{varepsilon }^{4}}}{4}>0$$



        Then $(0,0)$ is saddle point.






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          $begingroup$

          $$f(x,y)=2x^4-3x^2y+y^2=left( y-2 {{x}^{2}}right) , left( y-{{x}^{2}}right)$$
          $$fleft( varepsilon ,frac{3 {{epsilon }^{2}}}{2}right) =-frac{{{varepsilon }^{4}}}{4}<0$$
          $$fleft( varepsilon ,frac{{{varepsilon }^{2}}}{2}right) =frac{3 {{varepsilon }^{4}}}{4}>0$$



          Then $(0,0)$ is saddle point.






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          $$f(x,y)=2x^4-3x^2y+y^2=left( y-2 {{x}^{2}}right) , left( y-{{x}^{2}}right)$$
          $$fleft( varepsilon ,frac{3 {{epsilon }^{2}}}{2}right) =-frac{{{varepsilon }^{4}}}{4}<0$$
          $$fleft( varepsilon ,frac{{{varepsilon }^{2}}}{2}right) =frac{3 {{varepsilon }^{4}}}{4}>0$$



          Then $(0,0)$ is saddle point.







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              $begingroup$

              $f(0,0)=0.$

              Along the line $y=0$ is $$f(x,0)=2x^4>0$$ in a neighborhood of $(0,0),$



              EDIT

              while along $y=frac 32 x^2;$ it is $$f(x,frac 32 x^2)=-frac 14 x^4<0$$ in a neighborhood of $(0,0).$

              Therefore is $(0,0)$ a saddle point.






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                $begingroup$
                $f(x,x) = 2x^4 - 3x^3 + x^2$. Also $f(x,x)>0$ is $x$ is small
                $endgroup$
                – Dylan
                Dec 11 '18 at 10:18


















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              $begingroup$

              $f(0,0)=0.$

              Along the line $y=0$ is $$f(x,0)=2x^4>0$$ in a neighborhood of $(0,0),$



              EDIT

              while along $y=frac 32 x^2;$ it is $$f(x,frac 32 x^2)=-frac 14 x^4<0$$ in a neighborhood of $(0,0).$

              Therefore is $(0,0)$ a saddle point.






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                $begingroup$
                $f(x,x) = 2x^4 - 3x^3 + x^2$. Also $f(x,x)>0$ is $x$ is small
                $endgroup$
                – Dylan
                Dec 11 '18 at 10:18
















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              $begingroup$

              $f(0,0)=0.$

              Along the line $y=0$ is $$f(x,0)=2x^4>0$$ in a neighborhood of $(0,0),$



              EDIT

              while along $y=frac 32 x^2;$ it is $$f(x,frac 32 x^2)=-frac 14 x^4<0$$ in a neighborhood of $(0,0).$

              Therefore is $(0,0)$ a saddle point.






              share|cite|improve this answer











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              $f(0,0)=0.$

              Along the line $y=0$ is $$f(x,0)=2x^4>0$$ in a neighborhood of $(0,0),$



              EDIT

              while along $y=frac 32 x^2;$ it is $$f(x,frac 32 x^2)=-frac 14 x^4<0$$ in a neighborhood of $(0,0).$

              Therefore is $(0,0)$ a saddle point.







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                $begingroup$
                $f(x,x) = 2x^4 - 3x^3 + x^2$. Also $f(x,x)>0$ is $x$ is small
                $endgroup$
                – Dylan
                Dec 11 '18 at 10:18
















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                $begingroup$
                $f(x,x) = 2x^4 - 3x^3 + x^2$. Also $f(x,x)>0$ is $x$ is small
                $endgroup$
                – Dylan
                Dec 11 '18 at 10:18










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              $begingroup$
              $f(x,x) = 2x^4 - 3x^3 + x^2$. Also $f(x,x)>0$ is $x$ is small
              $endgroup$
              – Dylan
              Dec 11 '18 at 10:18






              $begingroup$
              $f(x,x) = 2x^4 - 3x^3 + x^2$. Also $f(x,x)>0$ is $x$ is small
              $endgroup$
              – Dylan
              Dec 11 '18 at 10:18













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              $begingroup$

              From $f(x,y)=2(x^2-frac34y)^2-frac18y^2$ it's easy to see that $(0,0)$ is a saddle.






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                From $f(x,y)=2(x^2-frac34y)^2-frac18y^2$ it's easy to see that $(0,0)$ is a saddle.






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                  From $f(x,y)=2(x^2-frac34y)^2-frac18y^2$ it's easy to see that $(0,0)$ is a saddle.






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                  From $f(x,y)=2(x^2-frac34y)^2-frac18y^2$ it's easy to see that $(0,0)$ is a saddle.







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