Why is the spacing in this itemization so bad and why can it be fixed by adding a percentage sign











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In the following LaTeX Beamer MWE, why is the spacing of the itemization so bad and why can it be fixed by adding a percentage sign after (... subitems)?



Most importantly: is there a reliable and elegant way to prevent this bad spacing in my presentations?



(I know that percentage signs somehow prevent parsing of line endings, but even starting the subitemization directly after (...subitems) doesn't have the same effect.)



documentclass{beamer}
begin{document}
begin{frame}
begin{columns}
begin{column}{0.5textwidth}
begin{itemize}
item A. (requires three sub-items)
begin{itemize}
item A.1
item A.2
item A.3
end{itemize}
item B
end{itemize}
end{column}
end{columns}
end{frame}
end{document}


Without percentage sign



documentclass{beamer}
begin{document}
begin{frame}
begin{columns}
begin{column}{0.5textwidth}
begin{itemize}
item A. (requires three sub-items)%
begin{itemize}
item A.1
item A.2
item A.3
end{itemize}
item B
end{itemize}
end{column}
end{columns}
end{frame}
end{document}


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  • The problem is that the linebreak without % is like inserting a space. In your example this is exactly at the width of the columns, so the additional space gets pushed to the next line
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 9:41










  • @samcarter is there a nicer way to avoid this in my presentations than by routinely always adding this percentage sign before subitemizations? The MWE looks cooked up, but it is the result of a long boiling down of a real example in which this bit me
    – Bananach
    Nov 28 at 9:43










  • @samcarter I just edited this question into my original question
    – Bananach
    Nov 28 at 9:45










  • @samcarter I just understood that the percentage sign has no special function here and the problem can even occur with it
    – Bananach
    Nov 28 at 9:46










  • The % has a special function here, it prevents the insertion of an additional space
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 9:48















up vote
8
down vote

favorite












In the following LaTeX Beamer MWE, why is the spacing of the itemization so bad and why can it be fixed by adding a percentage sign after (... subitems)?



Most importantly: is there a reliable and elegant way to prevent this bad spacing in my presentations?



(I know that percentage signs somehow prevent parsing of line endings, but even starting the subitemization directly after (...subitems) doesn't have the same effect.)



documentclass{beamer}
begin{document}
begin{frame}
begin{columns}
begin{column}{0.5textwidth}
begin{itemize}
item A. (requires three sub-items)
begin{itemize}
item A.1
item A.2
item A.3
end{itemize}
item B
end{itemize}
end{column}
end{columns}
end{frame}
end{document}


Without percentage sign



documentclass{beamer}
begin{document}
begin{frame}
begin{columns}
begin{column}{0.5textwidth}
begin{itemize}
item A. (requires three sub-items)%
begin{itemize}
item A.1
item A.2
item A.3
end{itemize}
item B
end{itemize}
end{column}
end{columns}
end{frame}
end{document}


with percentage sign










share|improve this question
























  • The problem is that the linebreak without % is like inserting a space. In your example this is exactly at the width of the columns, so the additional space gets pushed to the next line
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 9:41










  • @samcarter is there a nicer way to avoid this in my presentations than by routinely always adding this percentage sign before subitemizations? The MWE looks cooked up, but it is the result of a long boiling down of a real example in which this bit me
    – Bananach
    Nov 28 at 9:43










  • @samcarter I just edited this question into my original question
    – Bananach
    Nov 28 at 9:45










  • @samcarter I just understood that the percentage sign has no special function here and the problem can even occur with it
    – Bananach
    Nov 28 at 9:46










  • The % has a special function here, it prevents the insertion of an additional space
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 9:48













up vote
8
down vote

favorite









up vote
8
down vote

favorite











In the following LaTeX Beamer MWE, why is the spacing of the itemization so bad and why can it be fixed by adding a percentage sign after (... subitems)?



Most importantly: is there a reliable and elegant way to prevent this bad spacing in my presentations?



(I know that percentage signs somehow prevent parsing of line endings, but even starting the subitemization directly after (...subitems) doesn't have the same effect.)



documentclass{beamer}
begin{document}
begin{frame}
begin{columns}
begin{column}{0.5textwidth}
begin{itemize}
item A. (requires three sub-items)
begin{itemize}
item A.1
item A.2
item A.3
end{itemize}
item B
end{itemize}
end{column}
end{columns}
end{frame}
end{document}


Without percentage sign



documentclass{beamer}
begin{document}
begin{frame}
begin{columns}
begin{column}{0.5textwidth}
begin{itemize}
item A. (requires three sub-items)%
begin{itemize}
item A.1
item A.2
item A.3
end{itemize}
item B
end{itemize}
end{column}
end{columns}
end{frame}
end{document}


with percentage sign










share|improve this question















In the following LaTeX Beamer MWE, why is the spacing of the itemization so bad and why can it be fixed by adding a percentage sign after (... subitems)?



Most importantly: is there a reliable and elegant way to prevent this bad spacing in my presentations?



(I know that percentage signs somehow prevent parsing of line endings, but even starting the subitemization directly after (...subitems) doesn't have the same effect.)



documentclass{beamer}
begin{document}
begin{frame}
begin{columns}
begin{column}{0.5textwidth}
begin{itemize}
item A. (requires three sub-items)
begin{itemize}
item A.1
item A.2
item A.3
end{itemize}
item B
end{itemize}
end{column}
end{columns}
end{frame}
end{document}


Without percentage sign



documentclass{beamer}
begin{document}
begin{frame}
begin{columns}
begin{column}{0.5textwidth}
begin{itemize}
item A. (requires three sub-items)%
begin{itemize}
item A.1
item A.2
item A.3
end{itemize}
item B
end{itemize}
end{column}
end{columns}
end{frame}
end{document}


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  • The problem is that the linebreak without % is like inserting a space. In your example this is exactly at the width of the columns, so the additional space gets pushed to the next line
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 9:41










  • @samcarter is there a nicer way to avoid this in my presentations than by routinely always adding this percentage sign before subitemizations? The MWE looks cooked up, but it is the result of a long boiling down of a real example in which this bit me
    – Bananach
    Nov 28 at 9:43










  • @samcarter I just edited this question into my original question
    – Bananach
    Nov 28 at 9:45










  • @samcarter I just understood that the percentage sign has no special function here and the problem can even occur with it
    – Bananach
    Nov 28 at 9:46










  • The % has a special function here, it prevents the insertion of an additional space
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 9:48


















  • The problem is that the linebreak without % is like inserting a space. In your example this is exactly at the width of the columns, so the additional space gets pushed to the next line
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 9:41










  • @samcarter is there a nicer way to avoid this in my presentations than by routinely always adding this percentage sign before subitemizations? The MWE looks cooked up, but it is the result of a long boiling down of a real example in which this bit me
    – Bananach
    Nov 28 at 9:43










  • @samcarter I just edited this question into my original question
    – Bananach
    Nov 28 at 9:45










  • @samcarter I just understood that the percentage sign has no special function here and the problem can even occur with it
    – Bananach
    Nov 28 at 9:46










  • The % has a special function here, it prevents the insertion of an additional space
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 9:48
















The problem is that the linebreak without % is like inserting a space. In your example this is exactly at the width of the columns, so the additional space gets pushed to the next line
– samcarter
Nov 28 at 9:41




The problem is that the linebreak without % is like inserting a space. In your example this is exactly at the width of the columns, so the additional space gets pushed to the next line
– samcarter
Nov 28 at 9:41












@samcarter is there a nicer way to avoid this in my presentations than by routinely always adding this percentage sign before subitemizations? The MWE looks cooked up, but it is the result of a long boiling down of a real example in which this bit me
– Bananach
Nov 28 at 9:43




@samcarter is there a nicer way to avoid this in my presentations than by routinely always adding this percentage sign before subitemizations? The MWE looks cooked up, but it is the result of a long boiling down of a real example in which this bit me
– Bananach
Nov 28 at 9:43












@samcarter I just edited this question into my original question
– Bananach
Nov 28 at 9:45




@samcarter I just edited this question into my original question
– Bananach
Nov 28 at 9:45












@samcarter I just understood that the percentage sign has no special function here and the problem can even occur with it
– Bananach
Nov 28 at 9:46




@samcarter I just understood that the percentage sign has no special function here and the problem can even occur with it
– Bananach
Nov 28 at 9:46












The % has a special function here, it prevents the insertion of an additional space
– samcarter
Nov 28 at 9:48




The % has a special function here, it prevents the insertion of an additional space
– samcarter
Nov 28 at 9:48










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The definition of itemize in beamer is buggy. The problem is that is sets a color before the list, and color commands inserts whatsits and this has the effect that the space suddenly matters. beamer should at least add an unskip before the color:



documentclass{beamer}
makeatletter

renewcommand{itemize}[1]{%
ifhmodeunskipfi %<<< or unskip par
ifblank{#1}{}{defbeamer@defaultospec{#1}}%
ifnum @itemdepth >2relax@toodeepelse
advance@itemdepth@ne
beamer@computepref@itemdepth% sets beameritemnestingprefix
usebeamerfont{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body}%
usebeamercolor[fg]{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body}% problem
usebeamertemplate{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body begin}%
list
{usebeamertemplate{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}}
{defmakelabel##1{%
{%
hssllap{{%
usebeamerfont*{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}%
usebeamercolor[fg]{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}##1}}%
}%
}%
}
fi%
beamer@cramped%
raggedright%
beamer@firstlineitemizeunskip%
}

begin{document}
begin{frame}
begin{minipage}{0.5textwidth}
begin{itemize}
item A. (requires three sub-items)
begin{itemize}
item A.1
item A.2
item A.3
end{itemize}
item B
end{itemize}
end{minipage}
end{frame}
end{document}





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    Do you think this should be reported to beamer?
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 21:30






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    @samcarter yes, I will do it.
    – Ulrike Fischer
    Nov 28 at 21:33






  • 1




    Thanks! (und hiermit wäre bewiesen, dass wir alle über dich herfallen :)
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 21:36








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    @samcarter github.com/josephwright/beamer/issues/519
    – Ulrike Fischer
    Nov 28 at 21:41


















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Thanks, I found another reason for not relying on indentation but rather on spacing out the input. ;-)



Yes, itemize in beamer has a small bug, but it becomes irrelevant if you type in like the left column below.



documentclass{beamer}
begin{document}

begin{frame}

begin{columns}
begin{column}{0.5textwidth}

begin{itemize}
item A. (requires three sub-items)

begin{itemize}
item A.1
item A.2
item A.3
end{itemize}

item B

end{itemize}
end{column}

begin{column}{0.5textwidth}

begin{itemize}
item A. (requires three sub-items)
begin{itemize}
item A.1
item A.2
item A.3
end{itemize}

item B

end{itemize}
end{column}

end{columns}

end{frame}

end{document}


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    The definition of itemize in beamer is buggy. The problem is that is sets a color before the list, and color commands inserts whatsits and this has the effect that the space suddenly matters. beamer should at least add an unskip before the color:



    documentclass{beamer}
    makeatletter

    renewcommand{itemize}[1]{%
    ifhmodeunskipfi %<<< or unskip par
    ifblank{#1}{}{defbeamer@defaultospec{#1}}%
    ifnum @itemdepth >2relax@toodeepelse
    advance@itemdepth@ne
    beamer@computepref@itemdepth% sets beameritemnestingprefix
    usebeamerfont{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body}%
    usebeamercolor[fg]{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body}% problem
    usebeamertemplate{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body begin}%
    list
    {usebeamertemplate{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}}
    {defmakelabel##1{%
    {%
    hssllap{{%
    usebeamerfont*{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}%
    usebeamercolor[fg]{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}##1}}%
    }%
    }%
    }
    fi%
    beamer@cramped%
    raggedright%
    beamer@firstlineitemizeunskip%
    }

    begin{document}
    begin{frame}
    begin{minipage}{0.5textwidth}
    begin{itemize}
    item A. (requires three sub-items)
    begin{itemize}
    item A.1
    item A.2
    item A.3
    end{itemize}
    item B
    end{itemize}
    end{minipage}
    end{frame}
    end{document}





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      Do you think this should be reported to beamer?
      – samcarter
      Nov 28 at 21:30






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      @samcarter yes, I will do it.
      – Ulrike Fischer
      Nov 28 at 21:33






    • 1




      Thanks! (und hiermit wäre bewiesen, dass wir alle über dich herfallen :)
      – samcarter
      Nov 28 at 21:36








    • 1




      @samcarter github.com/josephwright/beamer/issues/519
      – Ulrike Fischer
      Nov 28 at 21:41















    up vote
    9
    down vote



    accepted










    The definition of itemize in beamer is buggy. The problem is that is sets a color before the list, and color commands inserts whatsits and this has the effect that the space suddenly matters. beamer should at least add an unskip before the color:



    documentclass{beamer}
    makeatletter

    renewcommand{itemize}[1]{%
    ifhmodeunskipfi %<<< or unskip par
    ifblank{#1}{}{defbeamer@defaultospec{#1}}%
    ifnum @itemdepth >2relax@toodeepelse
    advance@itemdepth@ne
    beamer@computepref@itemdepth% sets beameritemnestingprefix
    usebeamerfont{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body}%
    usebeamercolor[fg]{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body}% problem
    usebeamertemplate{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body begin}%
    list
    {usebeamertemplate{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}}
    {defmakelabel##1{%
    {%
    hssllap{{%
    usebeamerfont*{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}%
    usebeamercolor[fg]{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}##1}}%
    }%
    }%
    }
    fi%
    beamer@cramped%
    raggedright%
    beamer@firstlineitemizeunskip%
    }

    begin{document}
    begin{frame}
    begin{minipage}{0.5textwidth}
    begin{itemize}
    item A. (requires three sub-items)
    begin{itemize}
    item A.1
    item A.2
    item A.3
    end{itemize}
    item B
    end{itemize}
    end{minipage}
    end{frame}
    end{document}





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      Do you think this should be reported to beamer?
      – samcarter
      Nov 28 at 21:30






    • 1




      @samcarter yes, I will do it.
      – Ulrike Fischer
      Nov 28 at 21:33






    • 1




      Thanks! (und hiermit wäre bewiesen, dass wir alle über dich herfallen :)
      – samcarter
      Nov 28 at 21:36








    • 1




      @samcarter github.com/josephwright/beamer/issues/519
      – Ulrike Fischer
      Nov 28 at 21:41













    up vote
    9
    down vote



    accepted







    up vote
    9
    down vote



    accepted






    The definition of itemize in beamer is buggy. The problem is that is sets a color before the list, and color commands inserts whatsits and this has the effect that the space suddenly matters. beamer should at least add an unskip before the color:



    documentclass{beamer}
    makeatletter

    renewcommand{itemize}[1]{%
    ifhmodeunskipfi %<<< or unskip par
    ifblank{#1}{}{defbeamer@defaultospec{#1}}%
    ifnum @itemdepth >2relax@toodeepelse
    advance@itemdepth@ne
    beamer@computepref@itemdepth% sets beameritemnestingprefix
    usebeamerfont{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body}%
    usebeamercolor[fg]{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body}% problem
    usebeamertemplate{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body begin}%
    list
    {usebeamertemplate{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}}
    {defmakelabel##1{%
    {%
    hssllap{{%
    usebeamerfont*{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}%
    usebeamercolor[fg]{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}##1}}%
    }%
    }%
    }
    fi%
    beamer@cramped%
    raggedright%
    beamer@firstlineitemizeunskip%
    }

    begin{document}
    begin{frame}
    begin{minipage}{0.5textwidth}
    begin{itemize}
    item A. (requires three sub-items)
    begin{itemize}
    item A.1
    item A.2
    item A.3
    end{itemize}
    item B
    end{itemize}
    end{minipage}
    end{frame}
    end{document}





    share|improve this answer












    The definition of itemize in beamer is buggy. The problem is that is sets a color before the list, and color commands inserts whatsits and this has the effect that the space suddenly matters. beamer should at least add an unskip before the color:



    documentclass{beamer}
    makeatletter

    renewcommand{itemize}[1]{%
    ifhmodeunskipfi %<<< or unskip par
    ifblank{#1}{}{defbeamer@defaultospec{#1}}%
    ifnum @itemdepth >2relax@toodeepelse
    advance@itemdepth@ne
    beamer@computepref@itemdepth% sets beameritemnestingprefix
    usebeamerfont{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body}%
    usebeamercolor[fg]{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body}% problem
    usebeamertemplate{itemize/enumerate beameritemnestingprefix body begin}%
    list
    {usebeamertemplate{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}}
    {defmakelabel##1{%
    {%
    hssllap{{%
    usebeamerfont*{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}%
    usebeamercolor[fg]{itemize beameritemnestingprefix item}##1}}%
    }%
    }%
    }
    fi%
    beamer@cramped%
    raggedright%
    beamer@firstlineitemizeunskip%
    }

    begin{document}
    begin{frame}
    begin{minipage}{0.5textwidth}
    begin{itemize}
    item A. (requires three sub-items)
    begin{itemize}
    item A.1
    item A.2
    item A.3
    end{itemize}
    item B
    end{itemize}
    end{minipage}
    end{frame}
    end{document}






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    • 1




      Do you think this should be reported to beamer?
      – samcarter
      Nov 28 at 21:30






    • 1




      @samcarter yes, I will do it.
      – Ulrike Fischer
      Nov 28 at 21:33






    • 1




      Thanks! (und hiermit wäre bewiesen, dass wir alle über dich herfallen :)
      – samcarter
      Nov 28 at 21:36








    • 1




      @samcarter github.com/josephwright/beamer/issues/519
      – Ulrike Fischer
      Nov 28 at 21:41














    • 1




      Do you think this should be reported to beamer?
      – samcarter
      Nov 28 at 21:30






    • 1




      @samcarter yes, I will do it.
      – Ulrike Fischer
      Nov 28 at 21:33






    • 1




      Thanks! (und hiermit wäre bewiesen, dass wir alle über dich herfallen :)
      – samcarter
      Nov 28 at 21:36








    • 1




      @samcarter github.com/josephwright/beamer/issues/519
      – Ulrike Fischer
      Nov 28 at 21:41








    1




    1




    Do you think this should be reported to beamer?
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 21:30




    Do you think this should be reported to beamer?
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 21:30




    1




    1




    @samcarter yes, I will do it.
    – Ulrike Fischer
    Nov 28 at 21:33




    @samcarter yes, I will do it.
    – Ulrike Fischer
    Nov 28 at 21:33




    1




    1




    Thanks! (und hiermit wäre bewiesen, dass wir alle über dich herfallen :)
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 21:36






    Thanks! (und hiermit wäre bewiesen, dass wir alle über dich herfallen :)
    – samcarter
    Nov 28 at 21:36






    1




    1




    @samcarter github.com/josephwright/beamer/issues/519
    – Ulrike Fischer
    Nov 28 at 21:41




    @samcarter github.com/josephwright/beamer/issues/519
    – Ulrike Fischer
    Nov 28 at 21:41










    up vote
    5
    down vote













    Thanks, I found another reason for not relying on indentation but rather on spacing out the input. ;-)



    Yes, itemize in beamer has a small bug, but it becomes irrelevant if you type in like the left column below.



    documentclass{beamer}
    begin{document}

    begin{frame}

    begin{columns}
    begin{column}{0.5textwidth}

    begin{itemize}
    item A. (requires three sub-items)

    begin{itemize}
    item A.1
    item A.2
    item A.3
    end{itemize}

    item B

    end{itemize}
    end{column}

    begin{column}{0.5textwidth}

    begin{itemize}
    item A. (requires three sub-items)
    begin{itemize}
    item A.1
    item A.2
    item A.3
    end{itemize}

    item B

    end{itemize}
    end{column}

    end{columns}

    end{frame}

    end{document}


    enter image description here






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      Thanks, I found another reason for not relying on indentation but rather on spacing out the input. ;-)



      Yes, itemize in beamer has a small bug, but it becomes irrelevant if you type in like the left column below.



      documentclass{beamer}
      begin{document}

      begin{frame}

      begin{columns}
      begin{column}{0.5textwidth}

      begin{itemize}
      item A. (requires three sub-items)

      begin{itemize}
      item A.1
      item A.2
      item A.3
      end{itemize}

      item B

      end{itemize}
      end{column}

      begin{column}{0.5textwidth}

      begin{itemize}
      item A. (requires three sub-items)
      begin{itemize}
      item A.1
      item A.2
      item A.3
      end{itemize}

      item B

      end{itemize}
      end{column}

      end{columns}

      end{frame}

      end{document}


      enter image description here






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        Thanks, I found another reason for not relying on indentation but rather on spacing out the input. ;-)



        Yes, itemize in beamer has a small bug, but it becomes irrelevant if you type in like the left column below.



        documentclass{beamer}
        begin{document}

        begin{frame}

        begin{columns}
        begin{column}{0.5textwidth}

        begin{itemize}
        item A. (requires three sub-items)

        begin{itemize}
        item A.1
        item A.2
        item A.3
        end{itemize}

        item B

        end{itemize}
        end{column}

        begin{column}{0.5textwidth}

        begin{itemize}
        item A. (requires three sub-items)
        begin{itemize}
        item A.1
        item A.2
        item A.3
        end{itemize}

        item B

        end{itemize}
        end{column}

        end{columns}

        end{frame}

        end{document}


        enter image description here






        share|improve this answer












        Thanks, I found another reason for not relying on indentation but rather on spacing out the input. ;-)



        Yes, itemize in beamer has a small bug, but it becomes irrelevant if you type in like the left column below.



        documentclass{beamer}
        begin{document}

        begin{frame}

        begin{columns}
        begin{column}{0.5textwidth}

        begin{itemize}
        item A. (requires three sub-items)

        begin{itemize}
        item A.1
        item A.2
        item A.3
        end{itemize}

        item B

        end{itemize}
        end{column}

        begin{column}{0.5textwidth}

        begin{itemize}
        item A. (requires three sub-items)
        begin{itemize}
        item A.1
        item A.2
        item A.3
        end{itemize}

        item B

        end{itemize}
        end{column}

        end{columns}

        end{frame}

        end{document}


        enter image description here







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