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This is part of an exercise from "Real analysis for graduate students" by Richard Bass: Let $m$ be a Lebesgue measure. Suppose for each $n$, $A_n$ is a Lebesgue measurable subset of $[0,1]$. Let $B$ consist of those points $x$ that are in infinitely many of the $A_n$. Show that $B$ is Lebesgue measurable.



I'm in general undecided about what to use to prove that something is Lebesgue measurable. Is it a good way to use outer measure definition and try to show $m^*(E)=m^*(Ecap B)+ m(Ecap B^c)$, for instance. It seemed hard to prove this way for me, and I was wondering what is the best way. Thanks!










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    Write $B=bigcaplimits_{n=1}^infty bigcuplimits_{k=n}^infty A_n$.
    – David Mitra
    May 24 '15 at 20:45












  • Should be $A_k$ above...
    – David Mitra
    May 24 '15 at 20:54










  • @vgmath: As a general piece of advice: Note that for a set $B$ to be $m^*$-measurable it suffices to show $m^*(E) geq m^*(Ecap B)+ m^*(Ecap B^c)$, since the other inequality is fulfilled always if $m^*$ is an outer measure.
    – el_tenedor
    May 24 '15 at 21:04












  • @David: Thanks a lot, I learned a new nice trick, thanks to you.
    – vgmath
    May 24 '15 at 22:13










  • @ el_tenedor: Thanks for the advice. Yes, actually I've already seen that idea from the text I've been reading.
    – vgmath
    May 24 '15 at 22:15















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This is part of an exercise from "Real analysis for graduate students" by Richard Bass: Let $m$ be a Lebesgue measure. Suppose for each $n$, $A_n$ is a Lebesgue measurable subset of $[0,1]$. Let $B$ consist of those points $x$ that are in infinitely many of the $A_n$. Show that $B$ is Lebesgue measurable.



I'm in general undecided about what to use to prove that something is Lebesgue measurable. Is it a good way to use outer measure definition and try to show $m^*(E)=m^*(Ecap B)+ m(Ecap B^c)$, for instance. It seemed hard to prove this way for me, and I was wondering what is the best way. Thanks!










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    Write $B=bigcaplimits_{n=1}^infty bigcuplimits_{k=n}^infty A_n$.
    – David Mitra
    May 24 '15 at 20:45












  • Should be $A_k$ above...
    – David Mitra
    May 24 '15 at 20:54










  • @vgmath: As a general piece of advice: Note that for a set $B$ to be $m^*$-measurable it suffices to show $m^*(E) geq m^*(Ecap B)+ m^*(Ecap B^c)$, since the other inequality is fulfilled always if $m^*$ is an outer measure.
    – el_tenedor
    May 24 '15 at 21:04












  • @David: Thanks a lot, I learned a new nice trick, thanks to you.
    – vgmath
    May 24 '15 at 22:13










  • @ el_tenedor: Thanks for the advice. Yes, actually I've already seen that idea from the text I've been reading.
    – vgmath
    May 24 '15 at 22:15













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This is part of an exercise from "Real analysis for graduate students" by Richard Bass: Let $m$ be a Lebesgue measure. Suppose for each $n$, $A_n$ is a Lebesgue measurable subset of $[0,1]$. Let $B$ consist of those points $x$ that are in infinitely many of the $A_n$. Show that $B$ is Lebesgue measurable.



I'm in general undecided about what to use to prove that something is Lebesgue measurable. Is it a good way to use outer measure definition and try to show $m^*(E)=m^*(Ecap B)+ m(Ecap B^c)$, for instance. It seemed hard to prove this way for me, and I was wondering what is the best way. Thanks!










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This is part of an exercise from "Real analysis for graduate students" by Richard Bass: Let $m$ be a Lebesgue measure. Suppose for each $n$, $A_n$ is a Lebesgue measurable subset of $[0,1]$. Let $B$ consist of those points $x$ that are in infinitely many of the $A_n$. Show that $B$ is Lebesgue measurable.



I'm in general undecided about what to use to prove that something is Lebesgue measurable. Is it a good way to use outer measure definition and try to show $m^*(E)=m^*(Ecap B)+ m(Ecap B^c)$, for instance. It seemed hard to prove this way for me, and I was wondering what is the best way. Thanks!







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    Write $B=bigcaplimits_{n=1}^infty bigcuplimits_{k=n}^infty A_n$.
    – David Mitra
    May 24 '15 at 20:45












  • Should be $A_k$ above...
    – David Mitra
    May 24 '15 at 20:54










  • @vgmath: As a general piece of advice: Note that for a set $B$ to be $m^*$-measurable it suffices to show $m^*(E) geq m^*(Ecap B)+ m^*(Ecap B^c)$, since the other inequality is fulfilled always if $m^*$ is an outer measure.
    – el_tenedor
    May 24 '15 at 21:04












  • @David: Thanks a lot, I learned a new nice trick, thanks to you.
    – vgmath
    May 24 '15 at 22:13










  • @ el_tenedor: Thanks for the advice. Yes, actually I've already seen that idea from the text I've been reading.
    – vgmath
    May 24 '15 at 22:15














  • 1




    Write $B=bigcaplimits_{n=1}^infty bigcuplimits_{k=n}^infty A_n$.
    – David Mitra
    May 24 '15 at 20:45












  • Should be $A_k$ above...
    – David Mitra
    May 24 '15 at 20:54










  • @vgmath: As a general piece of advice: Note that for a set $B$ to be $m^*$-measurable it suffices to show $m^*(E) geq m^*(Ecap B)+ m^*(Ecap B^c)$, since the other inequality is fulfilled always if $m^*$ is an outer measure.
    – el_tenedor
    May 24 '15 at 21:04












  • @David: Thanks a lot, I learned a new nice trick, thanks to you.
    – vgmath
    May 24 '15 at 22:13










  • @ el_tenedor: Thanks for the advice. Yes, actually I've already seen that idea from the text I've been reading.
    – vgmath
    May 24 '15 at 22:15








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Write $B=bigcaplimits_{n=1}^infty bigcuplimits_{k=n}^infty A_n$.
– David Mitra
May 24 '15 at 20:45






Write $B=bigcaplimits_{n=1}^infty bigcuplimits_{k=n}^infty A_n$.
– David Mitra
May 24 '15 at 20:45














Should be $A_k$ above...
– David Mitra
May 24 '15 at 20:54




Should be $A_k$ above...
– David Mitra
May 24 '15 at 20:54












@vgmath: As a general piece of advice: Note that for a set $B$ to be $m^*$-measurable it suffices to show $m^*(E) geq m^*(Ecap B)+ m^*(Ecap B^c)$, since the other inequality is fulfilled always if $m^*$ is an outer measure.
– el_tenedor
May 24 '15 at 21:04






@vgmath: As a general piece of advice: Note that for a set $B$ to be $m^*$-measurable it suffices to show $m^*(E) geq m^*(Ecap B)+ m^*(Ecap B^c)$, since the other inequality is fulfilled always if $m^*$ is an outer measure.
– el_tenedor
May 24 '15 at 21:04














@David: Thanks a lot, I learned a new nice trick, thanks to you.
– vgmath
May 24 '15 at 22:13




@David: Thanks a lot, I learned a new nice trick, thanks to you.
– vgmath
May 24 '15 at 22:13












@ el_tenedor: Thanks for the advice. Yes, actually I've already seen that idea from the text I've been reading.
– vgmath
May 24 '15 at 22:15




@ el_tenedor: Thanks for the advice. Yes, actually I've already seen that idea from the text I've been reading.
– vgmath
May 24 '15 at 22:15










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Let ${A_n}$ be a countable collection of sets and let $B$ denote the set of elements which are in $A_n$ for infinitely many $n$. Then



$$B = bigcap_{n=1}^{infty}bigcup_{k = n}^{infty}A_k.$$



To see this, note that $x in bigcaplimits_{n=1}^{infty}bigcuplimits_{k = n}^{infty}A_k$ if and only if $x in bigcuplimits_{k=n}^{infty}A_k$ for all $n$. The latter occurs if and only if $x in A_n$ for infinitely many $n$; if $x$ were only in finitely many of the sets, say $A_{n_1}, dots, A_{n_j}$, then $x notin bigcuplimits_{k=n_j+1}^{infty}A_k$.



As the collection of Lebesgue measurable sets is closed under countable unions and countable intersections (it is a $sigma$-algebra), $B$ is Lebesgue measurable.





A similar exercise is to show that the set of elements which belong to $A_n$ for all but finitely many $n$ is measurable. Denoting this set by $C$, you can show that $C$ is Lebesgue measurable by using the fact that



$$C = bigcup_{n=1}^{infty}bigcap_{k = n}^{infty}A_k.$$






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    Let ${A_n}$ be a countable collection of sets and let $B$ denote the set of elements which are in $A_n$ for infinitely many $n$. Then



    $$B = bigcap_{n=1}^{infty}bigcup_{k = n}^{infty}A_k.$$



    To see this, note that $x in bigcaplimits_{n=1}^{infty}bigcuplimits_{k = n}^{infty}A_k$ if and only if $x in bigcuplimits_{k=n}^{infty}A_k$ for all $n$. The latter occurs if and only if $x in A_n$ for infinitely many $n$; if $x$ were only in finitely many of the sets, say $A_{n_1}, dots, A_{n_j}$, then $x notin bigcuplimits_{k=n_j+1}^{infty}A_k$.



    As the collection of Lebesgue measurable sets is closed under countable unions and countable intersections (it is a $sigma$-algebra), $B$ is Lebesgue measurable.





    A similar exercise is to show that the set of elements which belong to $A_n$ for all but finitely many $n$ is measurable. Denoting this set by $C$, you can show that $C$ is Lebesgue measurable by using the fact that



    $$C = bigcup_{n=1}^{infty}bigcap_{k = n}^{infty}A_k.$$






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      Let ${A_n}$ be a countable collection of sets and let $B$ denote the set of elements which are in $A_n$ for infinitely many $n$. Then



      $$B = bigcap_{n=1}^{infty}bigcup_{k = n}^{infty}A_k.$$



      To see this, note that $x in bigcaplimits_{n=1}^{infty}bigcuplimits_{k = n}^{infty}A_k$ if and only if $x in bigcuplimits_{k=n}^{infty}A_k$ for all $n$. The latter occurs if and only if $x in A_n$ for infinitely many $n$; if $x$ were only in finitely many of the sets, say $A_{n_1}, dots, A_{n_j}$, then $x notin bigcuplimits_{k=n_j+1}^{infty}A_k$.



      As the collection of Lebesgue measurable sets is closed under countable unions and countable intersections (it is a $sigma$-algebra), $B$ is Lebesgue measurable.





      A similar exercise is to show that the set of elements which belong to $A_n$ for all but finitely many $n$ is measurable. Denoting this set by $C$, you can show that $C$ is Lebesgue measurable by using the fact that



      $$C = bigcup_{n=1}^{infty}bigcap_{k = n}^{infty}A_k.$$






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        Let ${A_n}$ be a countable collection of sets and let $B$ denote the set of elements which are in $A_n$ for infinitely many $n$. Then



        $$B = bigcap_{n=1}^{infty}bigcup_{k = n}^{infty}A_k.$$



        To see this, note that $x in bigcaplimits_{n=1}^{infty}bigcuplimits_{k = n}^{infty}A_k$ if and only if $x in bigcuplimits_{k=n}^{infty}A_k$ for all $n$. The latter occurs if and only if $x in A_n$ for infinitely many $n$; if $x$ were only in finitely many of the sets, say $A_{n_1}, dots, A_{n_j}$, then $x notin bigcuplimits_{k=n_j+1}^{infty}A_k$.



        As the collection of Lebesgue measurable sets is closed under countable unions and countable intersections (it is a $sigma$-algebra), $B$ is Lebesgue measurable.





        A similar exercise is to show that the set of elements which belong to $A_n$ for all but finitely many $n$ is measurable. Denoting this set by $C$, you can show that $C$ is Lebesgue measurable by using the fact that



        $$C = bigcup_{n=1}^{infty}bigcap_{k = n}^{infty}A_k.$$






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        Let ${A_n}$ be a countable collection of sets and let $B$ denote the set of elements which are in $A_n$ for infinitely many $n$. Then



        $$B = bigcap_{n=1}^{infty}bigcup_{k = n}^{infty}A_k.$$



        To see this, note that $x in bigcaplimits_{n=1}^{infty}bigcuplimits_{k = n}^{infty}A_k$ if and only if $x in bigcuplimits_{k=n}^{infty}A_k$ for all $n$. The latter occurs if and only if $x in A_n$ for infinitely many $n$; if $x$ were only in finitely many of the sets, say $A_{n_1}, dots, A_{n_j}$, then $x notin bigcuplimits_{k=n_j+1}^{infty}A_k$.



        As the collection of Lebesgue measurable sets is closed under countable unions and countable intersections (it is a $sigma$-algebra), $B$ is Lebesgue measurable.





        A similar exercise is to show that the set of elements which belong to $A_n$ for all but finitely many $n$ is measurable. Denoting this set by $C$, you can show that $C$ is Lebesgue measurable by using the fact that



        $$C = bigcup_{n=1}^{infty}bigcap_{k = n}^{infty}A_k.$$







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