Short method to evaluate $lim_{xto fracpi2} frac{(1-tan(frac x2))(1-sin(x))}{(1+tan(frac x2))(pi-2x)^3}$?












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$$lim_{xto fracpi2} frac{(1-tan(frac x2))(1-sin(x))}{(1+tan(frac x2))(pi-2x)^3}$$



I only know of L'hopital method but that is very long. Is there a shorter method to solve this?










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    $$lim_{xto fracpi2} frac{(1-tan(frac x2))(1-sin(x))}{(1+tan(frac x2))(pi-2x)^3}$$



    I only know of L'hopital method but that is very long. Is there a shorter method to solve this?










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      $$lim_{xto fracpi2} frac{(1-tan(frac x2))(1-sin(x))}{(1+tan(frac x2))(pi-2x)^3}$$



      I only know of L'hopital method but that is very long. Is there a shorter method to solve this?










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      $$lim_{xto fracpi2} frac{(1-tan(frac x2))(1-sin(x))}{(1+tan(frac x2))(pi-2x)^3}$$



      I only know of L'hopital method but that is very long. Is there a shorter method to solve this?







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          Set $pi-2x=4y$ to find $$lim_{yto0}dfrac{tan y(1-cos2y)}{(2y)^3}=lim{...}left(dfrac{sin y}yright)^3dfrac1{4cos y}=?$$






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            Note that $$frac{1-text{tan}frac{x}{2}}{1+text{tan}frac{x}{2}}=text{tan}(frac{pi}{4}-frac{x}{2})$$
            So, given limit is same as
            $$text{lim}_{xtopi/2}frac{text{tan}(pi/4-x/2)(1-text{sin}x)}{(pi-2x)^3}$$
            Can you do it now using $lim_{tto0}frac{text{sin}t}{t}=1$ and $lim_{tto0}frac{text{tan}t}{t}=1$?



            You'll finally get the limit to be $1/32$.






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              Another trick is to multiply both the numerator and denominator by
              $(1+tan(x/2))(1+sin x)$ and use that
              begin{align}
              1-sin^2x&=cos^2x,\
              1-tan^2(x/2)&=frac{cos^2(x/2)-sin^2(x/2)}{cos^2(x/2)}=frac{cos x}{cos^2(x/2)}.
              end{align}

              Then you get after simplification
              $$
              frac{1}{(1+tan(x/2))^2(1+sin x)cos^2(x/2)}frac{1}{2^3}color{red}{left(frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}right)^3}
              $$

              where the only uncertainty when $xtopi/2$ is in the red part. The limit of $frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}$ can be calculated by L'Hopital.






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                Hi, for the red part, one can let $x=y+frac{pi}{2}$ which gives: $$lim_{xrightarrow frac{pi}{2}}color{red}{left(frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}right)^3}=lim_{yto 0} color{red}{left(frac{-sin y}{-y}right)^3}=1$$
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                @Zacky Yes, but the OP mentioned L'Hopital, that's why I suggested it.
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                Also since we can write $$lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}}frac{cos x}{frac{pi}{2}-x}=lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}} frac{sinleft(frac{pi}{2}-xright)}{frac{pi}{2}-x}$$ Is it valid to apply L'hospital here? Since it is of the form:$$lim_{f(x)to 0} frac{sin (f(x))}{f(x)}=1$$ And as seen from here: math.stackexchange.com/q/75130/515527 we need this limit in order to find the derivative of $sin x$, which leads to a circular argument.
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                @Zacky Sure, it is $0/0$ with the existing limit after differentiation: $$frac{-cos(pi/2-x)}{-1}to frac{-1}{-1}=1.$$
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                @Zacky Well, I assume that we calculated this limit first without L'Hopital, then calculated the derivative of $sin$, then proved L'Hopital and now we can use all that without problems :)
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              Another approach is to use that $tan x=frac{sin x}{cos x}$.



              Then $$frac{1-tan(x/2)}{1+tan(x/2)}=frac{cos(x/2)-sin(x/2)}{cos(x/2)+sin(x/2)}=frac{(cos(x/2)-sin(x/2))^2}{cos^2(x/2)-sin^2(x/2)}=frac{1-sin(x)}{cos(x)} .$$




              So the original limit reduces to



              $$lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{(1-sin (x))^2}{cos(x)(pi-2x)^3}.$$




              This is the product of the two (finite) limits
              $$lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{1-sin (x)}{cos(x)(pi-2x)} ~~~~~~text{ and } ~~~~~lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{(1-sin (x))}{(pi-2x)^2}.$$



              Now these limits can be calculated using l'Hospital (in second order).






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                Here's yet another approach. First of all, notice that the factor of $left(1+tandfrac{x}{2}right)$ in the denominator is the only one that is not equal to zero. So it has nothing to do with the $dfrac{0}{0}$ indeterminate form in this limit; it's only there (informally speaking) as an extra detractor. And we might as well take it out:



                $$begin{split}
                lim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(1+tanfrac{x}{2})(pi-2x)^3}&=lim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1}{1+tanfrac{x}{2}}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}\
                &=frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}.end{split}$$



                We could apply L'Hôpital's Rule now, but… Although the denominator looks much more manageable now, the numerator is still a product, and taking its derivatives will be difficult. Instead, let's break this limit further apart:



                $$frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}=frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1-tanfrac{x}{2}}{pi-2x}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1-sin x}{(pi-2x)^2}.$$



                Of course, this is only valid when both limits in the product exist. But as we will see in a moment, they do, and so the desired answer is their product.



                In fact, now both limits can be found by applying L'Hôpital's Rule — once for the first limit and twice for the second. Also, for the second limit we can use the Taylor series expansion of the numerator to find this limit — either expand in powers of $left(x-dfrac{pi}{2}right)$, which is quite doable, albeit a bit ugly; or make the change of variables $y=x-dfrac{pi}{2}$ first. (Note: of course, we could use the Taylor series for $tan$ for the first limit too; but it's a much lesser known and more advanced expansion involving Bernulli's numbers, and it doesn't appear in standard undergraduate Calculus courses.)






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                  Set $pi-2x=4y$ to find $$lim_{yto0}dfrac{tan y(1-cos2y)}{(2y)^3}=lim{...}left(dfrac{sin y}yright)^3dfrac1{4cos y}=?$$






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                    Set $pi-2x=4y$ to find $$lim_{yto0}dfrac{tan y(1-cos2y)}{(2y)^3}=lim{...}left(dfrac{sin y}yright)^3dfrac1{4cos y}=?$$






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                      Set $pi-2x=4y$ to find $$lim_{yto0}dfrac{tan y(1-cos2y)}{(2y)^3}=lim{...}left(dfrac{sin y}yright)^3dfrac1{4cos y}=?$$






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                      Set $pi-2x=4y$ to find $$lim_{yto0}dfrac{tan y(1-cos2y)}{(2y)^3}=lim{...}left(dfrac{sin y}yright)^3dfrac1{4cos y}=?$$







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                          Note that $$frac{1-text{tan}frac{x}{2}}{1+text{tan}frac{x}{2}}=text{tan}(frac{pi}{4}-frac{x}{2})$$
                          So, given limit is same as
                          $$text{lim}_{xtopi/2}frac{text{tan}(pi/4-x/2)(1-text{sin}x)}{(pi-2x)^3}$$
                          Can you do it now using $lim_{tto0}frac{text{sin}t}{t}=1$ and $lim_{tto0}frac{text{tan}t}{t}=1$?



                          You'll finally get the limit to be $1/32$.






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                            Note that $$frac{1-text{tan}frac{x}{2}}{1+text{tan}frac{x}{2}}=text{tan}(frac{pi}{4}-frac{x}{2})$$
                            So, given limit is same as
                            $$text{lim}_{xtopi/2}frac{text{tan}(pi/4-x/2)(1-text{sin}x)}{(pi-2x)^3}$$
                            Can you do it now using $lim_{tto0}frac{text{sin}t}{t}=1$ and $lim_{tto0}frac{text{tan}t}{t}=1$?



                            You'll finally get the limit to be $1/32$.






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                              Note that $$frac{1-text{tan}frac{x}{2}}{1+text{tan}frac{x}{2}}=text{tan}(frac{pi}{4}-frac{x}{2})$$
                              So, given limit is same as
                              $$text{lim}_{xtopi/2}frac{text{tan}(pi/4-x/2)(1-text{sin}x)}{(pi-2x)^3}$$
                              Can you do it now using $lim_{tto0}frac{text{sin}t}{t}=1$ and $lim_{tto0}frac{text{tan}t}{t}=1$?



                              You'll finally get the limit to be $1/32$.






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                              Note that $$frac{1-text{tan}frac{x}{2}}{1+text{tan}frac{x}{2}}=text{tan}(frac{pi}{4}-frac{x}{2})$$
                              So, given limit is same as
                              $$text{lim}_{xtopi/2}frac{text{tan}(pi/4-x/2)(1-text{sin}x)}{(pi-2x)^3}$$
                              Can you do it now using $lim_{tto0}frac{text{sin}t}{t}=1$ and $lim_{tto0}frac{text{tan}t}{t}=1$?



                              You'll finally get the limit to be $1/32$.







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                                  Another trick is to multiply both the numerator and denominator by
                                  $(1+tan(x/2))(1+sin x)$ and use that
                                  begin{align}
                                  1-sin^2x&=cos^2x,\
                                  1-tan^2(x/2)&=frac{cos^2(x/2)-sin^2(x/2)}{cos^2(x/2)}=frac{cos x}{cos^2(x/2)}.
                                  end{align}

                                  Then you get after simplification
                                  $$
                                  frac{1}{(1+tan(x/2))^2(1+sin x)cos^2(x/2)}frac{1}{2^3}color{red}{left(frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}right)^3}
                                  $$

                                  where the only uncertainty when $xtopi/2$ is in the red part. The limit of $frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}$ can be calculated by L'Hopital.






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                                    Hi, for the red part, one can let $x=y+frac{pi}{2}$ which gives: $$lim_{xrightarrow frac{pi}{2}}color{red}{left(frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}right)^3}=lim_{yto 0} color{red}{left(frac{-sin y}{-y}right)^3}=1$$
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                                    @Zacky Yes, but the OP mentioned L'Hopital, that's why I suggested it.
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                                    Also since we can write $$lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}}frac{cos x}{frac{pi}{2}-x}=lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}} frac{sinleft(frac{pi}{2}-xright)}{frac{pi}{2}-x}$$ Is it valid to apply L'hospital here? Since it is of the form:$$lim_{f(x)to 0} frac{sin (f(x))}{f(x)}=1$$ And as seen from here: math.stackexchange.com/q/75130/515527 we need this limit in order to find the derivative of $sin x$, which leads to a circular argument.
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                                    @Zacky Sure, it is $0/0$ with the existing limit after differentiation: $$frac{-cos(pi/2-x)}{-1}to frac{-1}{-1}=1.$$
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                                    @Zacky Well, I assume that we calculated this limit first without L'Hopital, then calculated the derivative of $sin$, then proved L'Hopital and now we can use all that without problems :)
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                                  Another trick is to multiply both the numerator and denominator by
                                  $(1+tan(x/2))(1+sin x)$ and use that
                                  begin{align}
                                  1-sin^2x&=cos^2x,\
                                  1-tan^2(x/2)&=frac{cos^2(x/2)-sin^2(x/2)}{cos^2(x/2)}=frac{cos x}{cos^2(x/2)}.
                                  end{align}

                                  Then you get after simplification
                                  $$
                                  frac{1}{(1+tan(x/2))^2(1+sin x)cos^2(x/2)}frac{1}{2^3}color{red}{left(frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}right)^3}
                                  $$

                                  where the only uncertainty when $xtopi/2$ is in the red part. The limit of $frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}$ can be calculated by L'Hopital.






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                                    Hi, for the red part, one can let $x=y+frac{pi}{2}$ which gives: $$lim_{xrightarrow frac{pi}{2}}color{red}{left(frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}right)^3}=lim_{yto 0} color{red}{left(frac{-sin y}{-y}right)^3}=1$$
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                                    @Zacky Yes, but the OP mentioned L'Hopital, that's why I suggested it.
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                                    – A.Γ.
                                    Jan 2 at 15:42










                                  • $begingroup$
                                    Also since we can write $$lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}}frac{cos x}{frac{pi}{2}-x}=lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}} frac{sinleft(frac{pi}{2}-xright)}{frac{pi}{2}-x}$$ Is it valid to apply L'hospital here? Since it is of the form:$$lim_{f(x)to 0} frac{sin (f(x))}{f(x)}=1$$ And as seen from here: math.stackexchange.com/q/75130/515527 we need this limit in order to find the derivative of $sin x$, which leads to a circular argument.
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                                    – Zacky
                                    Jan 2 at 15:46












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                                    @Zacky Sure, it is $0/0$ with the existing limit after differentiation: $$frac{-cos(pi/2-x)}{-1}to frac{-1}{-1}=1.$$
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                                    – A.Γ.
                                    Jan 2 at 15:50






                                  • 1




                                    $begingroup$
                                    @Zacky Well, I assume that we calculated this limit first without L'Hopital, then calculated the derivative of $sin$, then proved L'Hopital and now we can use all that without problems :)
                                    $endgroup$
                                    – A.Γ.
                                    Jan 2 at 15:54














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                                  $begingroup$

                                  Another trick is to multiply both the numerator and denominator by
                                  $(1+tan(x/2))(1+sin x)$ and use that
                                  begin{align}
                                  1-sin^2x&=cos^2x,\
                                  1-tan^2(x/2)&=frac{cos^2(x/2)-sin^2(x/2)}{cos^2(x/2)}=frac{cos x}{cos^2(x/2)}.
                                  end{align}

                                  Then you get after simplification
                                  $$
                                  frac{1}{(1+tan(x/2))^2(1+sin x)cos^2(x/2)}frac{1}{2^3}color{red}{left(frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}right)^3}
                                  $$

                                  where the only uncertainty when $xtopi/2$ is in the red part. The limit of $frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}$ can be calculated by L'Hopital.






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                                  Another trick is to multiply both the numerator and denominator by
                                  $(1+tan(x/2))(1+sin x)$ and use that
                                  begin{align}
                                  1-sin^2x&=cos^2x,\
                                  1-tan^2(x/2)&=frac{cos^2(x/2)-sin^2(x/2)}{cos^2(x/2)}=frac{cos x}{cos^2(x/2)}.
                                  end{align}

                                  Then you get after simplification
                                  $$
                                  frac{1}{(1+tan(x/2))^2(1+sin x)cos^2(x/2)}frac{1}{2^3}color{red}{left(frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}right)^3}
                                  $$

                                  where the only uncertainty when $xtopi/2$ is in the red part. The limit of $frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}$ can be calculated by L'Hopital.







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                                  A.Γ.A.Γ.

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                                    Hi, for the red part, one can let $x=y+frac{pi}{2}$ which gives: $$lim_{xrightarrow frac{pi}{2}}color{red}{left(frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}right)^3}=lim_{yto 0} color{red}{left(frac{-sin y}{-y}right)^3}=1$$
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                                    @Zacky Yes, but the OP mentioned L'Hopital, that's why I suggested it.
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                                    – A.Γ.
                                    Jan 2 at 15:42










                                  • $begingroup$
                                    Also since we can write $$lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}}frac{cos x}{frac{pi}{2}-x}=lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}} frac{sinleft(frac{pi}{2}-xright)}{frac{pi}{2}-x}$$ Is it valid to apply L'hospital here? Since it is of the form:$$lim_{f(x)to 0} frac{sin (f(x))}{f(x)}=1$$ And as seen from here: math.stackexchange.com/q/75130/515527 we need this limit in order to find the derivative of $sin x$, which leads to a circular argument.
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                                    – Zacky
                                    Jan 2 at 15:46












                                  • $begingroup$
                                    @Zacky Sure, it is $0/0$ with the existing limit after differentiation: $$frac{-cos(pi/2-x)}{-1}to frac{-1}{-1}=1.$$
                                    $endgroup$
                                    – A.Γ.
                                    Jan 2 at 15:50






                                  • 1




                                    $begingroup$
                                    @Zacky Well, I assume that we calculated this limit first without L'Hopital, then calculated the derivative of $sin$, then proved L'Hopital and now we can use all that without problems :)
                                    $endgroup$
                                    – A.Γ.
                                    Jan 2 at 15:54


















                                  • $begingroup$
                                    Hi, for the red part, one can let $x=y+frac{pi}{2}$ which gives: $$lim_{xrightarrow frac{pi}{2}}color{red}{left(frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}right)^3}=lim_{yto 0} color{red}{left(frac{-sin y}{-y}right)^3}=1$$
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                                    – Zacky
                                    Jan 2 at 15:40












                                  • $begingroup$
                                    @Zacky Yes, but the OP mentioned L'Hopital, that's why I suggested it.
                                    $endgroup$
                                    – A.Γ.
                                    Jan 2 at 15:42










                                  • $begingroup$
                                    Also since we can write $$lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}}frac{cos x}{frac{pi}{2}-x}=lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}} frac{sinleft(frac{pi}{2}-xright)}{frac{pi}{2}-x}$$ Is it valid to apply L'hospital here? Since it is of the form:$$lim_{f(x)to 0} frac{sin (f(x))}{f(x)}=1$$ And as seen from here: math.stackexchange.com/q/75130/515527 we need this limit in order to find the derivative of $sin x$, which leads to a circular argument.
                                    $endgroup$
                                    – Zacky
                                    Jan 2 at 15:46












                                  • $begingroup$
                                    @Zacky Sure, it is $0/0$ with the existing limit after differentiation: $$frac{-cos(pi/2-x)}{-1}to frac{-1}{-1}=1.$$
                                    $endgroup$
                                    – A.Γ.
                                    Jan 2 at 15:50






                                  • 1




                                    $begingroup$
                                    @Zacky Well, I assume that we calculated this limit first without L'Hopital, then calculated the derivative of $sin$, then proved L'Hopital and now we can use all that without problems :)
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                                  Hi, for the red part, one can let $x=y+frac{pi}{2}$ which gives: $$lim_{xrightarrow frac{pi}{2}}color{red}{left(frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}right)^3}=lim_{yto 0} color{red}{left(frac{-sin y}{-y}right)^3}=1$$
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                                  Hi, for the red part, one can let $x=y+frac{pi}{2}$ which gives: $$lim_{xrightarrow frac{pi}{2}}color{red}{left(frac{cos x}{pi/2-x}right)^3}=lim_{yto 0} color{red}{left(frac{-sin y}{-y}right)^3}=1$$
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                                  @Zacky Yes, but the OP mentioned L'Hopital, that's why I suggested it.
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                                  Jan 2 at 15:42




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                                  @Zacky Yes, but the OP mentioned L'Hopital, that's why I suggested it.
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                                  Also since we can write $$lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}}frac{cos x}{frac{pi}{2}-x}=lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}} frac{sinleft(frac{pi}{2}-xright)}{frac{pi}{2}-x}$$ Is it valid to apply L'hospital here? Since it is of the form:$$lim_{f(x)to 0} frac{sin (f(x))}{f(x)}=1$$ And as seen from here: math.stackexchange.com/q/75130/515527 we need this limit in order to find the derivative of $sin x$, which leads to a circular argument.
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                                  Also since we can write $$lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}}frac{cos x}{frac{pi}{2}-x}=lim_{xto frac{pi}{2}} frac{sinleft(frac{pi}{2}-xright)}{frac{pi}{2}-x}$$ Is it valid to apply L'hospital here? Since it is of the form:$$lim_{f(x)to 0} frac{sin (f(x))}{f(x)}=1$$ And as seen from here: math.stackexchange.com/q/75130/515527 we need this limit in order to find the derivative of $sin x$, which leads to a circular argument.
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                                  @Zacky Sure, it is $0/0$ with the existing limit after differentiation: $$frac{-cos(pi/2-x)}{-1}to frac{-1}{-1}=1.$$
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                                  @Zacky Sure, it is $0/0$ with the existing limit after differentiation: $$frac{-cos(pi/2-x)}{-1}to frac{-1}{-1}=1.$$
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                                  @Zacky Well, I assume that we calculated this limit first without L'Hopital, then calculated the derivative of $sin$, then proved L'Hopital and now we can use all that without problems :)
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                                  – A.Γ.
                                  Jan 2 at 15:54




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                                  @Zacky Well, I assume that we calculated this limit first without L'Hopital, then calculated the derivative of $sin$, then proved L'Hopital and now we can use all that without problems :)
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                                  – A.Γ.
                                  Jan 2 at 15:54











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                                  Another approach is to use that $tan x=frac{sin x}{cos x}$.



                                  Then $$frac{1-tan(x/2)}{1+tan(x/2)}=frac{cos(x/2)-sin(x/2)}{cos(x/2)+sin(x/2)}=frac{(cos(x/2)-sin(x/2))^2}{cos^2(x/2)-sin^2(x/2)}=frac{1-sin(x)}{cos(x)} .$$




                                  So the original limit reduces to



                                  $$lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{(1-sin (x))^2}{cos(x)(pi-2x)^3}.$$




                                  This is the product of the two (finite) limits
                                  $$lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{1-sin (x)}{cos(x)(pi-2x)} ~~~~~~text{ and } ~~~~~lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{(1-sin (x))}{(pi-2x)^2}.$$



                                  Now these limits can be calculated using l'Hospital (in second order).






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                                    Another approach is to use that $tan x=frac{sin x}{cos x}$.



                                    Then $$frac{1-tan(x/2)}{1+tan(x/2)}=frac{cos(x/2)-sin(x/2)}{cos(x/2)+sin(x/2)}=frac{(cos(x/2)-sin(x/2))^2}{cos^2(x/2)-sin^2(x/2)}=frac{1-sin(x)}{cos(x)} .$$




                                    So the original limit reduces to



                                    $$lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{(1-sin (x))^2}{cos(x)(pi-2x)^3}.$$




                                    This is the product of the two (finite) limits
                                    $$lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{1-sin (x)}{cos(x)(pi-2x)} ~~~~~~text{ and } ~~~~~lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{(1-sin (x))}{(pi-2x)^2}.$$



                                    Now these limits can be calculated using l'Hospital (in second order).






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                                      Another approach is to use that $tan x=frac{sin x}{cos x}$.



                                      Then $$frac{1-tan(x/2)}{1+tan(x/2)}=frac{cos(x/2)-sin(x/2)}{cos(x/2)+sin(x/2)}=frac{(cos(x/2)-sin(x/2))^2}{cos^2(x/2)-sin^2(x/2)}=frac{1-sin(x)}{cos(x)} .$$




                                      So the original limit reduces to



                                      $$lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{(1-sin (x))^2}{cos(x)(pi-2x)^3}.$$




                                      This is the product of the two (finite) limits
                                      $$lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{1-sin (x)}{cos(x)(pi-2x)} ~~~~~~text{ and } ~~~~~lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{(1-sin (x))}{(pi-2x)^2}.$$



                                      Now these limits can be calculated using l'Hospital (in second order).






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                                      Another approach is to use that $tan x=frac{sin x}{cos x}$.



                                      Then $$frac{1-tan(x/2)}{1+tan(x/2)}=frac{cos(x/2)-sin(x/2)}{cos(x/2)+sin(x/2)}=frac{(cos(x/2)-sin(x/2))^2}{cos^2(x/2)-sin^2(x/2)}=frac{1-sin(x)}{cos(x)} .$$




                                      So the original limit reduces to



                                      $$lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{(1-sin (x))^2}{cos(x)(pi-2x)^3}.$$




                                      This is the product of the two (finite) limits
                                      $$lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{1-sin (x)}{cos(x)(pi-2x)} ~~~~~~text{ and } ~~~~~lim_{xto fracpi 2} frac{(1-sin (x))}{(pi-2x)^2}.$$



                                      Now these limits can be calculated using l'Hospital (in second order).







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                                          Here's yet another approach. First of all, notice that the factor of $left(1+tandfrac{x}{2}right)$ in the denominator is the only one that is not equal to zero. So it has nothing to do with the $dfrac{0}{0}$ indeterminate form in this limit; it's only there (informally speaking) as an extra detractor. And we might as well take it out:



                                          $$begin{split}
                                          lim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(1+tanfrac{x}{2})(pi-2x)^3}&=lim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1}{1+tanfrac{x}{2}}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}\
                                          &=frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}.end{split}$$



                                          We could apply L'Hôpital's Rule now, but… Although the denominator looks much more manageable now, the numerator is still a product, and taking its derivatives will be difficult. Instead, let's break this limit further apart:



                                          $$frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}=frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1-tanfrac{x}{2}}{pi-2x}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1-sin x}{(pi-2x)^2}.$$



                                          Of course, this is only valid when both limits in the product exist. But as we will see in a moment, they do, and so the desired answer is their product.



                                          In fact, now both limits can be found by applying L'Hôpital's Rule — once for the first limit and twice for the second. Also, for the second limit we can use the Taylor series expansion of the numerator to find this limit — either expand in powers of $left(x-dfrac{pi}{2}right)$, which is quite doable, albeit a bit ugly; or make the change of variables $y=x-dfrac{pi}{2}$ first. (Note: of course, we could use the Taylor series for $tan$ for the first limit too; but it's a much lesser known and more advanced expansion involving Bernulli's numbers, and it doesn't appear in standard undergraduate Calculus courses.)






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                                            Here's yet another approach. First of all, notice that the factor of $left(1+tandfrac{x}{2}right)$ in the denominator is the only one that is not equal to zero. So it has nothing to do with the $dfrac{0}{0}$ indeterminate form in this limit; it's only there (informally speaking) as an extra detractor. And we might as well take it out:



                                            $$begin{split}
                                            lim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(1+tanfrac{x}{2})(pi-2x)^3}&=lim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1}{1+tanfrac{x}{2}}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}\
                                            &=frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}.end{split}$$



                                            We could apply L'Hôpital's Rule now, but… Although the denominator looks much more manageable now, the numerator is still a product, and taking its derivatives will be difficult. Instead, let's break this limit further apart:



                                            $$frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}=frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1-tanfrac{x}{2}}{pi-2x}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1-sin x}{(pi-2x)^2}.$$



                                            Of course, this is only valid when both limits in the product exist. But as we will see in a moment, they do, and so the desired answer is their product.



                                            In fact, now both limits can be found by applying L'Hôpital's Rule — once for the first limit and twice for the second. Also, for the second limit we can use the Taylor series expansion of the numerator to find this limit — either expand in powers of $left(x-dfrac{pi}{2}right)$, which is quite doable, albeit a bit ugly; or make the change of variables $y=x-dfrac{pi}{2}$ first. (Note: of course, we could use the Taylor series for $tan$ for the first limit too; but it's a much lesser known and more advanced expansion involving Bernulli's numbers, and it doesn't appear in standard undergraduate Calculus courses.)






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                                              Here's yet another approach. First of all, notice that the factor of $left(1+tandfrac{x}{2}right)$ in the denominator is the only one that is not equal to zero. So it has nothing to do with the $dfrac{0}{0}$ indeterminate form in this limit; it's only there (informally speaking) as an extra detractor. And we might as well take it out:



                                              $$begin{split}
                                              lim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(1+tanfrac{x}{2})(pi-2x)^3}&=lim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1}{1+tanfrac{x}{2}}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}\
                                              &=frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}.end{split}$$



                                              We could apply L'Hôpital's Rule now, but… Although the denominator looks much more manageable now, the numerator is still a product, and taking its derivatives will be difficult. Instead, let's break this limit further apart:



                                              $$frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}=frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1-tanfrac{x}{2}}{pi-2x}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1-sin x}{(pi-2x)^2}.$$



                                              Of course, this is only valid when both limits in the product exist. But as we will see in a moment, they do, and so the desired answer is their product.



                                              In fact, now both limits can be found by applying L'Hôpital's Rule — once for the first limit and twice for the second. Also, for the second limit we can use the Taylor series expansion of the numerator to find this limit — either expand in powers of $left(x-dfrac{pi}{2}right)$, which is quite doable, albeit a bit ugly; or make the change of variables $y=x-dfrac{pi}{2}$ first. (Note: of course, we could use the Taylor series for $tan$ for the first limit too; but it's a much lesser known and more advanced expansion involving Bernulli's numbers, and it doesn't appear in standard undergraduate Calculus courses.)






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                                              Here's yet another approach. First of all, notice that the factor of $left(1+tandfrac{x}{2}right)$ in the denominator is the only one that is not equal to zero. So it has nothing to do with the $dfrac{0}{0}$ indeterminate form in this limit; it's only there (informally speaking) as an extra detractor. And we might as well take it out:



                                              $$begin{split}
                                              lim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(1+tanfrac{x}{2})(pi-2x)^3}&=lim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1}{1+tanfrac{x}{2}}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}\
                                              &=frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}.end{split}$$



                                              We could apply L'Hôpital's Rule now, but… Although the denominator looks much more manageable now, the numerator is still a product, and taking its derivatives will be difficult. Instead, let's break this limit further apart:



                                              $$frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{(1-tanfrac{x}{2})(1-sin x)}{(pi-2x)^3}=frac{1}{2}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1-tanfrac{x}{2}}{pi-2x}timeslim_{xtofrac{pi}{2}}frac{1-sin x}{(pi-2x)^2}.$$



                                              Of course, this is only valid when both limits in the product exist. But as we will see in a moment, they do, and so the desired answer is their product.



                                              In fact, now both limits can be found by applying L'Hôpital's Rule — once for the first limit and twice for the second. Also, for the second limit we can use the Taylor series expansion of the numerator to find this limit — either expand in powers of $left(x-dfrac{pi}{2}right)$, which is quite doable, albeit a bit ugly; or make the change of variables $y=x-dfrac{pi}{2}$ first. (Note: of course, we could use the Taylor series for $tan$ for the first limit too; but it's a much lesser known and more advanced expansion involving Bernulli's numbers, and it doesn't appear in standard undergraduate Calculus courses.)







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