Finding the limit of this integral: $lim_{ntoinfty} int_0^1 frac{n x^p+x^q}{x^p+n x^q} dx$ if $q<p+1$











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I am trying to find the following limit provided: $q<p+1$:
$$ lim_{ntoinfty} int_0^1 dfrac{n x^p+x^q}{x^p+n x^q} dx$$



Dividing by $n x^q$ so we have
$$dfrac{n x^p+x^q}{x^p+n x^q}=dfrac{x^{p-q}+1/n}{(1/n) x^{p-q}+1}leq dfrac{x^{-1}+1/n}{(1/n) x^{p-q}+1}leq x^{-1}+1/n quadtext{ since } 0leq xleq 1 $$
or maybe
$$dfrac{n x^p+x^q}{x^p+n x^q}leq dfrac{n x^{q-1}+x^q}{x^p+n x^{p+1}} $$



I am trying to use MCT or DCT in somehow, or maybe other things.



Please help me solving this problem I am preparing for a prelim exam in January.










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  • Can you say more about $p,q$? Can they be negative? Can they be between 0 and 1?
    – Alice Ryhl
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  • I was wondering like you. But no, this is an old prelim problem.
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I am trying to find the following limit provided: $q<p+1$:
$$ lim_{ntoinfty} int_0^1 dfrac{n x^p+x^q}{x^p+n x^q} dx$$



Dividing by $n x^q$ so we have
$$dfrac{n x^p+x^q}{x^p+n x^q}=dfrac{x^{p-q}+1/n}{(1/n) x^{p-q}+1}leq dfrac{x^{-1}+1/n}{(1/n) x^{p-q}+1}leq x^{-1}+1/n quadtext{ since } 0leq xleq 1 $$
or maybe
$$dfrac{n x^p+x^q}{x^p+n x^q}leq dfrac{n x^{q-1}+x^q}{x^p+n x^{p+1}} $$



I am trying to use MCT or DCT in somehow, or maybe other things.



Please help me solving this problem I am preparing for a prelim exam in January.










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  • Can you say more about $p,q$? Can they be negative? Can they be between 0 and 1?
    – Alice Ryhl
    Dec 19 '14 at 13:29










  • I was wondering like you. But no, this is an old prelim problem.
    – Ruzayqat
    Dec 19 '14 at 13:32













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I am trying to find the following limit provided: $q<p+1$:
$$ lim_{ntoinfty} int_0^1 dfrac{n x^p+x^q}{x^p+n x^q} dx$$



Dividing by $n x^q$ so we have
$$dfrac{n x^p+x^q}{x^p+n x^q}=dfrac{x^{p-q}+1/n}{(1/n) x^{p-q}+1}leq dfrac{x^{-1}+1/n}{(1/n) x^{p-q}+1}leq x^{-1}+1/n quadtext{ since } 0leq xleq 1 $$
or maybe
$$dfrac{n x^p+x^q}{x^p+n x^q}leq dfrac{n x^{q-1}+x^q}{x^p+n x^{p+1}} $$



I am trying to use MCT or DCT in somehow, or maybe other things.



Please help me solving this problem I am preparing for a prelim exam in January.










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I am trying to find the following limit provided: $q<p+1$:
$$ lim_{ntoinfty} int_0^1 dfrac{n x^p+x^q}{x^p+n x^q} dx$$



Dividing by $n x^q$ so we have
$$dfrac{n x^p+x^q}{x^p+n x^q}=dfrac{x^{p-q}+1/n}{(1/n) x^{p-q}+1}leq dfrac{x^{-1}+1/n}{(1/n) x^{p-q}+1}leq x^{-1}+1/n quadtext{ since } 0leq xleq 1 $$
or maybe
$$dfrac{n x^p+x^q}{x^p+n x^q}leq dfrac{n x^{q-1}+x^q}{x^p+n x^{p+1}} $$



I am trying to use MCT or DCT in somehow, or maybe other things.



Please help me solving this problem I am preparing for a prelim exam in January.







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  • Can you say more about $p,q$? Can they be negative? Can they be between 0 and 1?
    – Alice Ryhl
    Dec 19 '14 at 13:29










  • I was wondering like you. But no, this is an old prelim problem.
    – Ruzayqat
    Dec 19 '14 at 13:32


















  • Can you say more about $p,q$? Can they be negative? Can they be between 0 and 1?
    – Alice Ryhl
    Dec 19 '14 at 13:29










  • I was wondering like you. But no, this is an old prelim problem.
    – Ruzayqat
    Dec 19 '14 at 13:32
















Can you say more about $p,q$? Can they be negative? Can they be between 0 and 1?
– Alice Ryhl
Dec 19 '14 at 13:29




Can you say more about $p,q$? Can they be negative? Can they be between 0 and 1?
– Alice Ryhl
Dec 19 '14 at 13:29












I was wondering like you. But no, this is an old prelim problem.
– Ruzayqat
Dec 19 '14 at 13:32




I was wondering like you. But no, this is an old prelim problem.
– Ruzayqat
Dec 19 '14 at 13:32










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Writing $f_ncolon xin(0,1]mapsto frac{n x^p+x^q}{n x^q+x^p}$




  • pointwise convergence to $fcolon xin(0,1]mapsto x^{p-q}$ (with $p-q > -1$), which is integrable on $(0,1]$.

  • for all $ngeq 1$ and $xin(0,1]$,
    $$
    0 leq f_n(x) leq frac{n x^p+x^q}{n x^q} = frac{1}{x^{q-p}}+frac{1}{n} leq frac{1}{x^{q-p}}+1= g(x)
    $$
    where $g$ is integrable on $(0,1]$ as $q-p < 1$.


Then, unless I have forgotten something you can apply the DCT to get that $int_{(0,1]} f_n xrightarrow[ntoinfty]{}int_{(0,1]} f = frac{1}{p-q+1}$.






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    Hint:
    $$frac{nx^p+x^q}{nx^q+x^p}-x^{p-q}=frac{x^q-x^{2p-q}}{nx^q+x^p}.$$
    If you prove that the last term is small, then:
    $$int_{0}^{1}frac{nx^p+x^q}{nx^q+x^p},dx sim int_{0}^{1}x^{p-q},dx = frac{1}{p-q+1}.$$






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      Writing $f_ncolon xin(0,1]mapsto frac{n x^p+x^q}{n x^q+x^p}$




      • pointwise convergence to $fcolon xin(0,1]mapsto x^{p-q}$ (with $p-q > -1$), which is integrable on $(0,1]$.

      • for all $ngeq 1$ and $xin(0,1]$,
        $$
        0 leq f_n(x) leq frac{n x^p+x^q}{n x^q} = frac{1}{x^{q-p}}+frac{1}{n} leq frac{1}{x^{q-p}}+1= g(x)
        $$
        where $g$ is integrable on $(0,1]$ as $q-p < 1$.


      Then, unless I have forgotten something you can apply the DCT to get that $int_{(0,1]} f_n xrightarrow[ntoinfty]{}int_{(0,1]} f = frac{1}{p-q+1}$.






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        Writing $f_ncolon xin(0,1]mapsto frac{n x^p+x^q}{n x^q+x^p}$




        • pointwise convergence to $fcolon xin(0,1]mapsto x^{p-q}$ (with $p-q > -1$), which is integrable on $(0,1]$.

        • for all $ngeq 1$ and $xin(0,1]$,
          $$
          0 leq f_n(x) leq frac{n x^p+x^q}{n x^q} = frac{1}{x^{q-p}}+frac{1}{n} leq frac{1}{x^{q-p}}+1= g(x)
          $$
          where $g$ is integrable on $(0,1]$ as $q-p < 1$.


        Then, unless I have forgotten something you can apply the DCT to get that $int_{(0,1]} f_n xrightarrow[ntoinfty]{}int_{(0,1]} f = frac{1}{p-q+1}$.






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          Writing $f_ncolon xin(0,1]mapsto frac{n x^p+x^q}{n x^q+x^p}$




          • pointwise convergence to $fcolon xin(0,1]mapsto x^{p-q}$ (with $p-q > -1$), which is integrable on $(0,1]$.

          • for all $ngeq 1$ and $xin(0,1]$,
            $$
            0 leq f_n(x) leq frac{n x^p+x^q}{n x^q} = frac{1}{x^{q-p}}+frac{1}{n} leq frac{1}{x^{q-p}}+1= g(x)
            $$
            where $g$ is integrable on $(0,1]$ as $q-p < 1$.


          Then, unless I have forgotten something you can apply the DCT to get that $int_{(0,1]} f_n xrightarrow[ntoinfty]{}int_{(0,1]} f = frac{1}{p-q+1}$.






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          Writing $f_ncolon xin(0,1]mapsto frac{n x^p+x^q}{n x^q+x^p}$




          • pointwise convergence to $fcolon xin(0,1]mapsto x^{p-q}$ (with $p-q > -1$), which is integrable on $(0,1]$.

          • for all $ngeq 1$ and $xin(0,1]$,
            $$
            0 leq f_n(x) leq frac{n x^p+x^q}{n x^q} = frac{1}{x^{q-p}}+frac{1}{n} leq frac{1}{x^{q-p}}+1= g(x)
            $$
            where $g$ is integrable on $(0,1]$ as $q-p < 1$.


          Then, unless I have forgotten something you can apply the DCT to get that $int_{(0,1]} f_n xrightarrow[ntoinfty]{}int_{(0,1]} f = frac{1}{p-q+1}$.







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              Hint:
              $$frac{nx^p+x^q}{nx^q+x^p}-x^{p-q}=frac{x^q-x^{2p-q}}{nx^q+x^p}.$$
              If you prove that the last term is small, then:
              $$int_{0}^{1}frac{nx^p+x^q}{nx^q+x^p},dx sim int_{0}^{1}x^{p-q},dx = frac{1}{p-q+1}.$$






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                Hint:
                $$frac{nx^p+x^q}{nx^q+x^p}-x^{p-q}=frac{x^q-x^{2p-q}}{nx^q+x^p}.$$
                If you prove that the last term is small, then:
                $$int_{0}^{1}frac{nx^p+x^q}{nx^q+x^p},dx sim int_{0}^{1}x^{p-q},dx = frac{1}{p-q+1}.$$






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                  Hint:
                  $$frac{nx^p+x^q}{nx^q+x^p}-x^{p-q}=frac{x^q-x^{2p-q}}{nx^q+x^p}.$$
                  If you prove that the last term is small, then:
                  $$int_{0}^{1}frac{nx^p+x^q}{nx^q+x^p},dx sim int_{0}^{1}x^{p-q},dx = frac{1}{p-q+1}.$$






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                  Hint:
                  $$frac{nx^p+x^q}{nx^q+x^p}-x^{p-q}=frac{x^q-x^{2p-q}}{nx^q+x^p}.$$
                  If you prove that the last term is small, then:
                  $$int_{0}^{1}frac{nx^p+x^q}{nx^q+x^p},dx sim int_{0}^{1}x^{p-q},dx = frac{1}{p-q+1}.$$







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