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Let $G$ be a Lie group with Lie algebra $mathfrak{g}$. If $mathfrak{h}$ is a Lie-subalgebra of $mathfrak{g}$, then the image of $mathfrak{h}$ under the exponential map is supposed to be a subgroup of $G$.



My question is how to prove this, preferably using the definition of the exponential map via the flow of left-invariant vector fields, or the first one from Wikipedia and without using the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff formula.










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    Let $G$ be a Lie group with Lie algebra $mathfrak{g}$. If $mathfrak{h}$ is a Lie-subalgebra of $mathfrak{g}$, then the image of $mathfrak{h}$ under the exponential map is supposed to be a subgroup of $G$.



    My question is how to prove this, preferably using the definition of the exponential map via the flow of left-invariant vector fields, or the first one from Wikipedia and without using the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff formula.










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      Let $G$ be a Lie group with Lie algebra $mathfrak{g}$. If $mathfrak{h}$ is a Lie-subalgebra of $mathfrak{g}$, then the image of $mathfrak{h}$ under the exponential map is supposed to be a subgroup of $G$.



      My question is how to prove this, preferably using the definition of the exponential map via the flow of left-invariant vector fields, or the first one from Wikipedia and without using the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff formula.










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      Let $G$ be a Lie group with Lie algebra $mathfrak{g}$. If $mathfrak{h}$ is a Lie-subalgebra of $mathfrak{g}$, then the image of $mathfrak{h}$ under the exponential map is supposed to be a subgroup of $G$.



      My question is how to prove this, preferably using the definition of the exponential map via the flow of left-invariant vector fields, or the first one from Wikipedia and without using the Baker-Campbell-Hausdorff formula.







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          This is not true in general. The image of $mathfrak h$ generates a subgroup of $G$, but the image might not be the whole subgroup. For example, if $mathfrak g$ is the set of all $2times 2$ real matrices, and $mathfrak h$ is the subalgebra of trace-free matrices, then the smallest subgroup of $text{GL}(2,mathbb R)$ containing $exp(mathfrak h)$ is $text{SL}(2,mathbb R)$; but the following matrix is in $text{SL}(2,mathbb R)$ but not in the image of the exponential map:
          $$
          A=
          left(
          begin{matrix}
          -frac12 & 0 \
          0 & -2
          end{matrix}
          right).
          $$

          To see why, note that if $A = e^B$ for some $Bin mathfrak h$, then $C = e^{B/2}$ would be a real matrix whose square is $A$. But a straightforward computation shows that there is no such matrix.






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          • saying that the image generates a subgroup is basically no statement at all right? (since every subset generates a subgroup...)
            – 0x539
            Nov 21 at 22:09






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            @0x539: Yes, I guess you're right. What's more interesting is that the image generates a subgroup whose Lie algebra is $mathfrak h$ (using the fact that the Lie algebra of a subgroup of $G$ can be canonically identified with a subalgebra of $mathfrak g$).
            – Jack Lee
            Nov 21 at 23:56











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          This is not true in general. The image of $mathfrak h$ generates a subgroup of $G$, but the image might not be the whole subgroup. For example, if $mathfrak g$ is the set of all $2times 2$ real matrices, and $mathfrak h$ is the subalgebra of trace-free matrices, then the smallest subgroup of $text{GL}(2,mathbb R)$ containing $exp(mathfrak h)$ is $text{SL}(2,mathbb R)$; but the following matrix is in $text{SL}(2,mathbb R)$ but not in the image of the exponential map:
          $$
          A=
          left(
          begin{matrix}
          -frac12 & 0 \
          0 & -2
          end{matrix}
          right).
          $$

          To see why, note that if $A = e^B$ for some $Bin mathfrak h$, then $C = e^{B/2}$ would be a real matrix whose square is $A$. But a straightforward computation shows that there is no such matrix.






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          • saying that the image generates a subgroup is basically no statement at all right? (since every subset generates a subgroup...)
            – 0x539
            Nov 21 at 22:09






          • 2




            @0x539: Yes, I guess you're right. What's more interesting is that the image generates a subgroup whose Lie algebra is $mathfrak h$ (using the fact that the Lie algebra of a subgroup of $G$ can be canonically identified with a subalgebra of $mathfrak g$).
            – Jack Lee
            Nov 21 at 23:56















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          This is not true in general. The image of $mathfrak h$ generates a subgroup of $G$, but the image might not be the whole subgroup. For example, if $mathfrak g$ is the set of all $2times 2$ real matrices, and $mathfrak h$ is the subalgebra of trace-free matrices, then the smallest subgroup of $text{GL}(2,mathbb R)$ containing $exp(mathfrak h)$ is $text{SL}(2,mathbb R)$; but the following matrix is in $text{SL}(2,mathbb R)$ but not in the image of the exponential map:
          $$
          A=
          left(
          begin{matrix}
          -frac12 & 0 \
          0 & -2
          end{matrix}
          right).
          $$

          To see why, note that if $A = e^B$ for some $Bin mathfrak h$, then $C = e^{B/2}$ would be a real matrix whose square is $A$. But a straightforward computation shows that there is no such matrix.






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          • saying that the image generates a subgroup is basically no statement at all right? (since every subset generates a subgroup...)
            – 0x539
            Nov 21 at 22:09






          • 2




            @0x539: Yes, I guess you're right. What's more interesting is that the image generates a subgroup whose Lie algebra is $mathfrak h$ (using the fact that the Lie algebra of a subgroup of $G$ can be canonically identified with a subalgebra of $mathfrak g$).
            – Jack Lee
            Nov 21 at 23:56













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          up vote
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          This is not true in general. The image of $mathfrak h$ generates a subgroup of $G$, but the image might not be the whole subgroup. For example, if $mathfrak g$ is the set of all $2times 2$ real matrices, and $mathfrak h$ is the subalgebra of trace-free matrices, then the smallest subgroup of $text{GL}(2,mathbb R)$ containing $exp(mathfrak h)$ is $text{SL}(2,mathbb R)$; but the following matrix is in $text{SL}(2,mathbb R)$ but not in the image of the exponential map:
          $$
          A=
          left(
          begin{matrix}
          -frac12 & 0 \
          0 & -2
          end{matrix}
          right).
          $$

          To see why, note that if $A = e^B$ for some $Bin mathfrak h$, then $C = e^{B/2}$ would be a real matrix whose square is $A$. But a straightforward computation shows that there is no such matrix.






          share|cite|improve this answer












          This is not true in general. The image of $mathfrak h$ generates a subgroup of $G$, but the image might not be the whole subgroup. For example, if $mathfrak g$ is the set of all $2times 2$ real matrices, and $mathfrak h$ is the subalgebra of trace-free matrices, then the smallest subgroup of $text{GL}(2,mathbb R)$ containing $exp(mathfrak h)$ is $text{SL}(2,mathbb R)$; but the following matrix is in $text{SL}(2,mathbb R)$ but not in the image of the exponential map:
          $$
          A=
          left(
          begin{matrix}
          -frac12 & 0 \
          0 & -2
          end{matrix}
          right).
          $$

          To see why, note that if $A = e^B$ for some $Bin mathfrak h$, then $C = e^{B/2}$ would be a real matrix whose square is $A$. But a straightforward computation shows that there is no such matrix.







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          • saying that the image generates a subgroup is basically no statement at all right? (since every subset generates a subgroup...)
            – 0x539
            Nov 21 at 22:09






          • 2




            @0x539: Yes, I guess you're right. What's more interesting is that the image generates a subgroup whose Lie algebra is $mathfrak h$ (using the fact that the Lie algebra of a subgroup of $G$ can be canonically identified with a subalgebra of $mathfrak g$).
            – Jack Lee
            Nov 21 at 23:56


















          • saying that the image generates a subgroup is basically no statement at all right? (since every subset generates a subgroup...)
            – 0x539
            Nov 21 at 22:09






          • 2




            @0x539: Yes, I guess you're right. What's more interesting is that the image generates a subgroup whose Lie algebra is $mathfrak h$ (using the fact that the Lie algebra of a subgroup of $G$ can be canonically identified with a subalgebra of $mathfrak g$).
            – Jack Lee
            Nov 21 at 23:56
















          saying that the image generates a subgroup is basically no statement at all right? (since every subset generates a subgroup...)
          – 0x539
          Nov 21 at 22:09




          saying that the image generates a subgroup is basically no statement at all right? (since every subset generates a subgroup...)
          – 0x539
          Nov 21 at 22:09




          2




          2




          @0x539: Yes, I guess you're right. What's more interesting is that the image generates a subgroup whose Lie algebra is $mathfrak h$ (using the fact that the Lie algebra of a subgroup of $G$ can be canonically identified with a subalgebra of $mathfrak g$).
          – Jack Lee
          Nov 21 at 23:56




          @0x539: Yes, I guess you're right. What's more interesting is that the image generates a subgroup whose Lie algebra is $mathfrak h$ (using the fact that the Lie algebra of a subgroup of $G$ can be canonically identified with a subalgebra of $mathfrak g$).
          – Jack Lee
          Nov 21 at 23:56


















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