YouTube is consuming much bandwidth than other operations on my home network
I've a problem that when I'm surfing Facebook, Twitter, stackOverflow or any other site than YouTube, Pages usually takes lot of time to download. While, YouTube don't have any problems. I've a 2 Mbps speed and I have lots of devices connected to my network. When a device opens YouTube, it takes most bandwidth and other devices may take 15 kbps which does not make anything!
I've tried adjusting the QoS on my router and nothing happened. I'll provide screenshots of my router page if you want.
The question is: Is there a way to distribute bandwidth equally between different sites?
My router is tp-link td-w8901n .It is a modem router and unfortunately can't have Tomato or DD-WRT firmware
I have little knowledge in networking, so please try to simplify your answer. Thank you in advance!
networking router bandwidth qos
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I've a problem that when I'm surfing Facebook, Twitter, stackOverflow or any other site than YouTube, Pages usually takes lot of time to download. While, YouTube don't have any problems. I've a 2 Mbps speed and I have lots of devices connected to my network. When a device opens YouTube, it takes most bandwidth and other devices may take 15 kbps which does not make anything!
I've tried adjusting the QoS on my router and nothing happened. I'll provide screenshots of my router page if you want.
The question is: Is there a way to distribute bandwidth equally between different sites?
My router is tp-link td-w8901n .It is a modem router and unfortunately can't have Tomato or DD-WRT firmware
I have little knowledge in networking, so please try to simplify your answer. Thank you in advance!
networking router bandwidth qos
I highly doubt youtube is taking up all the bandwidth and slowing down the rest. If this were the case, running 2 youtube sites concurrently would create havoc and I'm positive that doesn't happen either. For a site to load slow, that can have many possible causes. For example if DNS is really slow, a site may appear to load slow already, and that's where I think your problem is.
– LPChip
Feb 28 at 12:27
1
Do you mean other pages work slowly even when YouTube isn't using bandwidth?
– grawity
Feb 28 at 12:27
@LPChip The problem happens on the same device. If I tried to open a site and it is very slow or can't open, I open a youtube video and it is showing fine! I started to doubt the ISP as my friend is complaining about the same problem. Can you please tell me what did you meant by the DNS is slow?
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:35
@grawity Hmm, I can't judge that! but the devices on the network is a lot. I haven't tested that before. But, on the same device, youtube works perfectly while other sites don't.
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:37
Are the affected devices wired via Ethernet? And does the same problem also occur when only one device is connected? That is, when a computer is streaming YouTube, is browsing on the same computer slowed down as well?
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:50
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I've a problem that when I'm surfing Facebook, Twitter, stackOverflow or any other site than YouTube, Pages usually takes lot of time to download. While, YouTube don't have any problems. I've a 2 Mbps speed and I have lots of devices connected to my network. When a device opens YouTube, it takes most bandwidth and other devices may take 15 kbps which does not make anything!
I've tried adjusting the QoS on my router and nothing happened. I'll provide screenshots of my router page if you want.
The question is: Is there a way to distribute bandwidth equally between different sites?
My router is tp-link td-w8901n .It is a modem router and unfortunately can't have Tomato or DD-WRT firmware
I have little knowledge in networking, so please try to simplify your answer. Thank you in advance!
networking router bandwidth qos
I've a problem that when I'm surfing Facebook, Twitter, stackOverflow or any other site than YouTube, Pages usually takes lot of time to download. While, YouTube don't have any problems. I've a 2 Mbps speed and I have lots of devices connected to my network. When a device opens YouTube, it takes most bandwidth and other devices may take 15 kbps which does not make anything!
I've tried adjusting the QoS on my router and nothing happened. I'll provide screenshots of my router page if you want.
The question is: Is there a way to distribute bandwidth equally between different sites?
My router is tp-link td-w8901n .It is a modem router and unfortunately can't have Tomato or DD-WRT firmware
I have little knowledge in networking, so please try to simplify your answer. Thank you in advance!
networking router bandwidth qos
networking router bandwidth qos
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Gamal OthmanGamal Othman
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I highly doubt youtube is taking up all the bandwidth and slowing down the rest. If this were the case, running 2 youtube sites concurrently would create havoc and I'm positive that doesn't happen either. For a site to load slow, that can have many possible causes. For example if DNS is really slow, a site may appear to load slow already, and that's where I think your problem is.
– LPChip
Feb 28 at 12:27
1
Do you mean other pages work slowly even when YouTube isn't using bandwidth?
– grawity
Feb 28 at 12:27
@LPChip The problem happens on the same device. If I tried to open a site and it is very slow or can't open, I open a youtube video and it is showing fine! I started to doubt the ISP as my friend is complaining about the same problem. Can you please tell me what did you meant by the DNS is slow?
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:35
@grawity Hmm, I can't judge that! but the devices on the network is a lot. I haven't tested that before. But, on the same device, youtube works perfectly while other sites don't.
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:37
Are the affected devices wired via Ethernet? And does the same problem also occur when only one device is connected? That is, when a computer is streaming YouTube, is browsing on the same computer slowed down as well?
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:50
add a comment |
I highly doubt youtube is taking up all the bandwidth and slowing down the rest. If this were the case, running 2 youtube sites concurrently would create havoc and I'm positive that doesn't happen either. For a site to load slow, that can have many possible causes. For example if DNS is really slow, a site may appear to load slow already, and that's where I think your problem is.
– LPChip
Feb 28 at 12:27
1
Do you mean other pages work slowly even when YouTube isn't using bandwidth?
– grawity
Feb 28 at 12:27
@LPChip The problem happens on the same device. If I tried to open a site and it is very slow or can't open, I open a youtube video and it is showing fine! I started to doubt the ISP as my friend is complaining about the same problem. Can you please tell me what did you meant by the DNS is slow?
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:35
@grawity Hmm, I can't judge that! but the devices on the network is a lot. I haven't tested that before. But, on the same device, youtube works perfectly while other sites don't.
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:37
Are the affected devices wired via Ethernet? And does the same problem also occur when only one device is connected? That is, when a computer is streaming YouTube, is browsing on the same computer slowed down as well?
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:50
I highly doubt youtube is taking up all the bandwidth and slowing down the rest. If this were the case, running 2 youtube sites concurrently would create havoc and I'm positive that doesn't happen either. For a site to load slow, that can have many possible causes. For example if DNS is really slow, a site may appear to load slow already, and that's where I think your problem is.
– LPChip
Feb 28 at 12:27
I highly doubt youtube is taking up all the bandwidth and slowing down the rest. If this were the case, running 2 youtube sites concurrently would create havoc and I'm positive that doesn't happen either. For a site to load slow, that can have many possible causes. For example if DNS is really slow, a site may appear to load slow already, and that's where I think your problem is.
– LPChip
Feb 28 at 12:27
1
1
Do you mean other pages work slowly even when YouTube isn't using bandwidth?
– grawity
Feb 28 at 12:27
Do you mean other pages work slowly even when YouTube isn't using bandwidth?
– grawity
Feb 28 at 12:27
@LPChip The problem happens on the same device. If I tried to open a site and it is very slow or can't open, I open a youtube video and it is showing fine! I started to doubt the ISP as my friend is complaining about the same problem. Can you please tell me what did you meant by the DNS is slow?
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:35
@LPChip The problem happens on the same device. If I tried to open a site and it is very slow or can't open, I open a youtube video and it is showing fine! I started to doubt the ISP as my friend is complaining about the same problem. Can you please tell me what did you meant by the DNS is slow?
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:35
@grawity Hmm, I can't judge that! but the devices on the network is a lot. I haven't tested that before. But, on the same device, youtube works perfectly while other sites don't.
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:37
@grawity Hmm, I can't judge that! but the devices on the network is a lot. I haven't tested that before. But, on the same device, youtube works perfectly while other sites don't.
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:37
Are the affected devices wired via Ethernet? And does the same problem also occur when only one device is connected? That is, when a computer is streaming YouTube, is browsing on the same computer slowed down as well?
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:50
Are the affected devices wired via Ethernet? And does the same problem also occur when only one device is connected? That is, when a computer is streaming YouTube, is browsing on the same computer slowed down as well?
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:50
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This is not a YouTube problem, it is a content-type problem: Video (no matter if from YouTube, Vimeo or whatever) needs orders of magnitude more bandwidth than typical HTML - in fact: your total bandwidth of 2Mbps is the lower end for a single medium-quality video.
This means: With 2Mbps you can either watch a low-to-medium quality video or do any other usefull work. To solve this problem you must upgrade your internet connection. Target around 4Mbps per device for a smooth experience.
As a workaround you can use the YouTube quality settings to reduce video quality even further, which will free up bandwidth for use by others.
1
That is right. I know that my total bandwidth is very low and it barely view a youtube video in 460p or 360p if no much other devices working. But if it is a video problem, why Facebook videos don't download as fast as YouTube ones?
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:42
1
Facebook videos have different compression settings compared to YouTube, they need more bandwidth.
– Eugen Rieck
Feb 28 at 12:44
3
I'm not sure if I buy this explanation. Even if one connection "needs" all available bandwidth, TCP has flow control and is supposed to be at least somewhat fair to other connections. I'm regularly downloading large files over HTTP and FTP, and although those transfers naturally consume all possible bandwidth if they can, TCP still makes sure other connections (regular SSH or website navigation) do not stop working. Over ADSL, there isn't even a significant slowdown.
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:10
You seem to be explaining away the inverse of what @GamalOthman is observing...?
– Attie
Feb 28 at 13:19
1
@GamalOthman: Not sure. It's possible that the router has a bad queue algorithm, but I think that only matters when it's forwarding from a fast connection to a slow one, not vice versa. In other words, for inbound traffic it's your ISP's router, not your home router, which has to stuff all data through the thin pipe. Unfortunately that's where my knowledge already ends regarding this area of networking...
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:51
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show 2 more comments
It's sort of a Youtube problem, because it uses Dynamic Adaptative Streaming over HTTP. There is no way you can, for example, choose a 4K quality, pause the video, set a low bandwidth and let the video buffer for 15 minutes. The buffer would never go to the end of the video anyway, it's not designed like that anymore, it's not the way we want to consume video nowadays. But it's a problem because now it means bandwidth is linked to video quality.
I don't think QoS is going to help, enven though I am not an exprt, because typically video streaming is considered high priority (as opposed to file transfer which is fault tolerant: you can resend a lost packet without causing a glitch), so I assume your QoS setting still prioritizes video streaming over other things.
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This is not a YouTube problem, it is a content-type problem: Video (no matter if from YouTube, Vimeo or whatever) needs orders of magnitude more bandwidth than typical HTML - in fact: your total bandwidth of 2Mbps is the lower end for a single medium-quality video.
This means: With 2Mbps you can either watch a low-to-medium quality video or do any other usefull work. To solve this problem you must upgrade your internet connection. Target around 4Mbps per device for a smooth experience.
As a workaround you can use the YouTube quality settings to reduce video quality even further, which will free up bandwidth for use by others.
1
That is right. I know that my total bandwidth is very low and it barely view a youtube video in 460p or 360p if no much other devices working. But if it is a video problem, why Facebook videos don't download as fast as YouTube ones?
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:42
1
Facebook videos have different compression settings compared to YouTube, they need more bandwidth.
– Eugen Rieck
Feb 28 at 12:44
3
I'm not sure if I buy this explanation. Even if one connection "needs" all available bandwidth, TCP has flow control and is supposed to be at least somewhat fair to other connections. I'm regularly downloading large files over HTTP and FTP, and although those transfers naturally consume all possible bandwidth if they can, TCP still makes sure other connections (regular SSH or website navigation) do not stop working. Over ADSL, there isn't even a significant slowdown.
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:10
You seem to be explaining away the inverse of what @GamalOthman is observing...?
– Attie
Feb 28 at 13:19
1
@GamalOthman: Not sure. It's possible that the router has a bad queue algorithm, but I think that only matters when it's forwarding from a fast connection to a slow one, not vice versa. In other words, for inbound traffic it's your ISP's router, not your home router, which has to stuff all data through the thin pipe. Unfortunately that's where my knowledge already ends regarding this area of networking...
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:51
|
show 2 more comments
This is not a YouTube problem, it is a content-type problem: Video (no matter if from YouTube, Vimeo or whatever) needs orders of magnitude more bandwidth than typical HTML - in fact: your total bandwidth of 2Mbps is the lower end for a single medium-quality video.
This means: With 2Mbps you can either watch a low-to-medium quality video or do any other usefull work. To solve this problem you must upgrade your internet connection. Target around 4Mbps per device for a smooth experience.
As a workaround you can use the YouTube quality settings to reduce video quality even further, which will free up bandwidth for use by others.
1
That is right. I know that my total bandwidth is very low and it barely view a youtube video in 460p or 360p if no much other devices working. But if it is a video problem, why Facebook videos don't download as fast as YouTube ones?
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:42
1
Facebook videos have different compression settings compared to YouTube, they need more bandwidth.
– Eugen Rieck
Feb 28 at 12:44
3
I'm not sure if I buy this explanation. Even if one connection "needs" all available bandwidth, TCP has flow control and is supposed to be at least somewhat fair to other connections. I'm regularly downloading large files over HTTP and FTP, and although those transfers naturally consume all possible bandwidth if they can, TCP still makes sure other connections (regular SSH or website navigation) do not stop working. Over ADSL, there isn't even a significant slowdown.
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:10
You seem to be explaining away the inverse of what @GamalOthman is observing...?
– Attie
Feb 28 at 13:19
1
@GamalOthman: Not sure. It's possible that the router has a bad queue algorithm, but I think that only matters when it's forwarding from a fast connection to a slow one, not vice versa. In other words, for inbound traffic it's your ISP's router, not your home router, which has to stuff all data through the thin pipe. Unfortunately that's where my knowledge already ends regarding this area of networking...
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:51
|
show 2 more comments
This is not a YouTube problem, it is a content-type problem: Video (no matter if from YouTube, Vimeo or whatever) needs orders of magnitude more bandwidth than typical HTML - in fact: your total bandwidth of 2Mbps is the lower end for a single medium-quality video.
This means: With 2Mbps you can either watch a low-to-medium quality video or do any other usefull work. To solve this problem you must upgrade your internet connection. Target around 4Mbps per device for a smooth experience.
As a workaround you can use the YouTube quality settings to reduce video quality even further, which will free up bandwidth for use by others.
This is not a YouTube problem, it is a content-type problem: Video (no matter if from YouTube, Vimeo or whatever) needs orders of magnitude more bandwidth than typical HTML - in fact: your total bandwidth of 2Mbps is the lower end for a single medium-quality video.
This means: With 2Mbps you can either watch a low-to-medium quality video or do any other usefull work. To solve this problem you must upgrade your internet connection. Target around 4Mbps per device for a smooth experience.
As a workaround you can use the YouTube quality settings to reduce video quality even further, which will free up bandwidth for use by others.
answered Feb 28 at 12:29
Eugen RieckEugen Rieck
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That is right. I know that my total bandwidth is very low and it barely view a youtube video in 460p or 360p if no much other devices working. But if it is a video problem, why Facebook videos don't download as fast as YouTube ones?
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:42
1
Facebook videos have different compression settings compared to YouTube, they need more bandwidth.
– Eugen Rieck
Feb 28 at 12:44
3
I'm not sure if I buy this explanation. Even if one connection "needs" all available bandwidth, TCP has flow control and is supposed to be at least somewhat fair to other connections. I'm regularly downloading large files over HTTP and FTP, and although those transfers naturally consume all possible bandwidth if they can, TCP still makes sure other connections (regular SSH or website navigation) do not stop working. Over ADSL, there isn't even a significant slowdown.
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:10
You seem to be explaining away the inverse of what @GamalOthman is observing...?
– Attie
Feb 28 at 13:19
1
@GamalOthman: Not sure. It's possible that the router has a bad queue algorithm, but I think that only matters when it's forwarding from a fast connection to a slow one, not vice versa. In other words, for inbound traffic it's your ISP's router, not your home router, which has to stuff all data through the thin pipe. Unfortunately that's where my knowledge already ends regarding this area of networking...
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:51
|
show 2 more comments
1
That is right. I know that my total bandwidth is very low and it barely view a youtube video in 460p or 360p if no much other devices working. But if it is a video problem, why Facebook videos don't download as fast as YouTube ones?
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:42
1
Facebook videos have different compression settings compared to YouTube, they need more bandwidth.
– Eugen Rieck
Feb 28 at 12:44
3
I'm not sure if I buy this explanation. Even if one connection "needs" all available bandwidth, TCP has flow control and is supposed to be at least somewhat fair to other connections. I'm regularly downloading large files over HTTP and FTP, and although those transfers naturally consume all possible bandwidth if they can, TCP still makes sure other connections (regular SSH or website navigation) do not stop working. Over ADSL, there isn't even a significant slowdown.
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:10
You seem to be explaining away the inverse of what @GamalOthman is observing...?
– Attie
Feb 28 at 13:19
1
@GamalOthman: Not sure. It's possible that the router has a bad queue algorithm, but I think that only matters when it's forwarding from a fast connection to a slow one, not vice versa. In other words, for inbound traffic it's your ISP's router, not your home router, which has to stuff all data through the thin pipe. Unfortunately that's where my knowledge already ends regarding this area of networking...
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:51
1
1
That is right. I know that my total bandwidth is very low and it barely view a youtube video in 460p or 360p if no much other devices working. But if it is a video problem, why Facebook videos don't download as fast as YouTube ones?
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:42
That is right. I know that my total bandwidth is very low and it barely view a youtube video in 460p or 360p if no much other devices working. But if it is a video problem, why Facebook videos don't download as fast as YouTube ones?
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:42
1
1
Facebook videos have different compression settings compared to YouTube, they need more bandwidth.
– Eugen Rieck
Feb 28 at 12:44
Facebook videos have different compression settings compared to YouTube, they need more bandwidth.
– Eugen Rieck
Feb 28 at 12:44
3
3
I'm not sure if I buy this explanation. Even if one connection "needs" all available bandwidth, TCP has flow control and is supposed to be at least somewhat fair to other connections. I'm regularly downloading large files over HTTP and FTP, and although those transfers naturally consume all possible bandwidth if they can, TCP still makes sure other connections (regular SSH or website navigation) do not stop working. Over ADSL, there isn't even a significant slowdown.
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:10
I'm not sure if I buy this explanation. Even if one connection "needs" all available bandwidth, TCP has flow control and is supposed to be at least somewhat fair to other connections. I'm regularly downloading large files over HTTP and FTP, and although those transfers naturally consume all possible bandwidth if they can, TCP still makes sure other connections (regular SSH or website navigation) do not stop working. Over ADSL, there isn't even a significant slowdown.
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:10
You seem to be explaining away the inverse of what @GamalOthman is observing...?
– Attie
Feb 28 at 13:19
You seem to be explaining away the inverse of what @GamalOthman is observing...?
– Attie
Feb 28 at 13:19
1
1
@GamalOthman: Not sure. It's possible that the router has a bad queue algorithm, but I think that only matters when it's forwarding from a fast connection to a slow one, not vice versa. In other words, for inbound traffic it's your ISP's router, not your home router, which has to stuff all data through the thin pipe. Unfortunately that's where my knowledge already ends regarding this area of networking...
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:51
@GamalOthman: Not sure. It's possible that the router has a bad queue algorithm, but I think that only matters when it's forwarding from a fast connection to a slow one, not vice versa. In other words, for inbound traffic it's your ISP's router, not your home router, which has to stuff all data through the thin pipe. Unfortunately that's where my knowledge already ends regarding this area of networking...
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:51
|
show 2 more comments
It's sort of a Youtube problem, because it uses Dynamic Adaptative Streaming over HTTP. There is no way you can, for example, choose a 4K quality, pause the video, set a low bandwidth and let the video buffer for 15 minutes. The buffer would never go to the end of the video anyway, it's not designed like that anymore, it's not the way we want to consume video nowadays. But it's a problem because now it means bandwidth is linked to video quality.
I don't think QoS is going to help, enven though I am not an exprt, because typically video streaming is considered high priority (as opposed to file transfer which is fault tolerant: you can resend a lost packet without causing a glitch), so I assume your QoS setting still prioritizes video streaming over other things.
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It's sort of a Youtube problem, because it uses Dynamic Adaptative Streaming over HTTP. There is no way you can, for example, choose a 4K quality, pause the video, set a low bandwidth and let the video buffer for 15 minutes. The buffer would never go to the end of the video anyway, it's not designed like that anymore, it's not the way we want to consume video nowadays. But it's a problem because now it means bandwidth is linked to video quality.
I don't think QoS is going to help, enven though I am not an exprt, because typically video streaming is considered high priority (as opposed to file transfer which is fault tolerant: you can resend a lost packet without causing a glitch), so I assume your QoS setting still prioritizes video streaming over other things.
add a comment |
It's sort of a Youtube problem, because it uses Dynamic Adaptative Streaming over HTTP. There is no way you can, for example, choose a 4K quality, pause the video, set a low bandwidth and let the video buffer for 15 minutes. The buffer would never go to the end of the video anyway, it's not designed like that anymore, it's not the way we want to consume video nowadays. But it's a problem because now it means bandwidth is linked to video quality.
I don't think QoS is going to help, enven though I am not an exprt, because typically video streaming is considered high priority (as opposed to file transfer which is fault tolerant: you can resend a lost packet without causing a glitch), so I assume your QoS setting still prioritizes video streaming over other things.
It's sort of a Youtube problem, because it uses Dynamic Adaptative Streaming over HTTP. There is no way you can, for example, choose a 4K quality, pause the video, set a low bandwidth and let the video buffer for 15 minutes. The buffer would never go to the end of the video anyway, it's not designed like that anymore, it's not the way we want to consume video nowadays. But it's a problem because now it means bandwidth is linked to video quality.
I don't think QoS is going to help, enven though I am not an exprt, because typically video streaming is considered high priority (as opposed to file transfer which is fault tolerant: you can resend a lost packet without causing a glitch), so I assume your QoS setting still prioritizes video streaming over other things.
answered Feb 28 at 13:04
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I highly doubt youtube is taking up all the bandwidth and slowing down the rest. If this were the case, running 2 youtube sites concurrently would create havoc and I'm positive that doesn't happen either. For a site to load slow, that can have many possible causes. For example if DNS is really slow, a site may appear to load slow already, and that's where I think your problem is.
– LPChip
Feb 28 at 12:27
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Do you mean other pages work slowly even when YouTube isn't using bandwidth?
– grawity
Feb 28 at 12:27
@LPChip The problem happens on the same device. If I tried to open a site and it is very slow or can't open, I open a youtube video and it is showing fine! I started to doubt the ISP as my friend is complaining about the same problem. Can you please tell me what did you meant by the DNS is slow?
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:35
@grawity Hmm, I can't judge that! but the devices on the network is a lot. I haven't tested that before. But, on the same device, youtube works perfectly while other sites don't.
– Gamal Othman
Feb 28 at 12:37
Are the affected devices wired via Ethernet? And does the same problem also occur when only one device is connected? That is, when a computer is streaming YouTube, is browsing on the same computer slowed down as well?
– grawity
Feb 28 at 13:50