Showing that $o(phi(g))|o(g)$ if $phi:G_1mapsto G_2$ is a homomorphism and $gin G_1$












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$o(g)$ denotes the order of $g$.



This is how I think I proved it:



Let $m:=o(g)$



Let $d=o(phi(g))$. $~dle m$ because $langlephi (g)rangle={phi(g),phi(g)^2=phi(g^2),...,phi(g^m)=e_{G_2}}$



If $o(phi(g))=d$ by euclidean division there exist $qinBbb N$ and $0le r<d$ such that $$m=dq+r~text{ and }~phi(g)^d=e=phi(g^d)\ e=g^m=g^{dq+r}=g^{dq}g^r implies g^r=g^{-dq}\ phi(g)^r=phi(g^r)=phi(g^{-dq})=(phi(g)^d)^{-q}=e$$
but $d>r$ is the order of $phi(g)$ so $r$ must be zero.



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$begingroup$


$o(g)$ denotes the order of $g$.



This is how I think I proved it:



Let $m:=o(g)$



Let $d=o(phi(g))$. $~dle m$ because $langlephi (g)rangle={phi(g),phi(g)^2=phi(g^2),...,phi(g^m)=e_{G_2}}$



If $o(phi(g))=d$ by euclidean division there exist $qinBbb N$ and $0le r<d$ such that $$m=dq+r~text{ and }~phi(g)^d=e=phi(g^d)\ e=g^m=g^{dq+r}=g^{dq}g^r implies g^r=g^{-dq}\ phi(g)^r=phi(g^r)=phi(g^{-dq})=(phi(g)^d)^{-q}=e$$
but $d>r$ is the order of $phi(g)$ so $r$ must be zero.



I'm not sure if this is all correct






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    It looks fine to me. Well done! :)
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    The use of $$begin{align} x &=y\ &=zend{align}$$ for $$begin{align} x &=y\ &=zend{align}$$ wouldn't go amiss.
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$begingroup$


$o(g)$ denotes the order of $g$.



This is how I think I proved it:



Let $m:=o(g)$



Let $d=o(phi(g))$. $~dle m$ because $langlephi (g)rangle={phi(g),phi(g)^2=phi(g^2),...,phi(g^m)=e_{G_2}}$



If $o(phi(g))=d$ by euclidean division there exist $qinBbb N$ and $0le r<d$ such that $$m=dq+r~text{ and }~phi(g)^d=e=phi(g^d)\ e=g^m=g^{dq+r}=g^{dq}g^r implies g^r=g^{-dq}\ phi(g)^r=phi(g^r)=phi(g^{-dq})=(phi(g)^d)^{-q}=e$$
but $d>r$ is the order of $phi(g)$ so $r$ must be zero.



I'm not sure if this is all correct






group-theory proof-verification group-homomorphism







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$o(g)$ denotes the order of $g$.



This is how I think I proved it:



Let $m:=o(g)$



Let $d=o(phi(g))$. $~dle m$ because $langlephi (g)rangle={phi(g),phi(g)^2=phi(g^2),...,phi(g^m)=e_{G_2}}$



If $o(phi(g))=d$ by euclidean division there exist $qinBbb N$ and $0le r<d$ such that $$m=dq+r~text{ and }~phi(g)^d=e=phi(g^d)\ e=g^m=g^{dq+r}=g^{dq}g^r implies g^r=g^{-dq}\ phi(g)^r=phi(g^r)=phi(g^{-dq})=(phi(g)^d)^{-q}=e$$
but $d>r$ is the order of $phi(g)$ so $r$ must be zero.



I'm not sure if this is all correct






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    It looks fine to me. Well done! :)
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    It's considered bad form to start a sentence with the symbols one uses in the mathematics. That's all I can say at a glance.
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    – Shaun
    Jan 3 at 19:38








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    $begingroup$
    The use of $$begin{align} x &=y\ &=zend{align}$$ for $$begin{align} x &=y\ &=zend{align}$$ wouldn't go amiss.
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    It looks fine to me. Well done! :)
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    – Shaun
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    It's considered bad form to start a sentence with the symbols one uses in the mathematics. That's all I can say at a glance.
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    – Shaun
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    $begingroup$
    The use of $$begin{align} x &=y\ &=zend{align}$$ for $$begin{align} x &=y\ &=zend{align}$$ wouldn't go amiss.
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It looks fine to me. Well done! :)
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It looks fine to me. Well done! :)
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– Shaun
Jan 3 at 19:37












$begingroup$
It's considered bad form to start a sentence with the symbols one uses in the mathematics. That's all I can say at a glance.
$endgroup$
– Shaun
Jan 3 at 19:38






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It's considered bad form to start a sentence with the symbols one uses in the mathematics. That's all I can say at a glance.
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The use of $$begin{align} x &=y\ &=zend{align}$$ for $$begin{align} x &=y\ &=zend{align}$$ wouldn't go amiss.
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You can get this more quickly using the First Isomorphism Theorem. Recall that $o(g) = |langle g rangle|$. Now $o(phi(g)) = |phi( langle g rangle)|$. Taking $G = langle g rangle$, the First Isomorphism theorem tells us that $|G| = |Im(phi)| cdot |ker(phi)|$. Note that $|Im(phi)| = o(phi(g))$.






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    I would just write $phi (g)^r=e$, with $rlt d$. So $r=0$. (It's pretty clear, since $e=phi(g)^m=phi(g)^d$).



    But it seems to be correct.



    Actually, once $phi (g)^m=e$ you're done (by the little argument you essentially gave). That is, $g^a=eimplies o(g)mid a$, generally.






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      You can get this more quickly using the First Isomorphism Theorem. Recall that $o(g) = |langle g rangle|$. Now $o(phi(g)) = |phi( langle g rangle)|$. Taking $G = langle g rangle$, the First Isomorphism theorem tells us that $|G| = |Im(phi)| cdot |ker(phi)|$. Note that $|Im(phi)| = o(phi(g))$.






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        You can get this more quickly using the First Isomorphism Theorem. Recall that $o(g) = |langle g rangle|$. Now $o(phi(g)) = |phi( langle g rangle)|$. Taking $G = langle g rangle$, the First Isomorphism theorem tells us that $|G| = |Im(phi)| cdot |ker(phi)|$. Note that $|Im(phi)| = o(phi(g))$.






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          You can get this more quickly using the First Isomorphism Theorem. Recall that $o(g) = |langle g rangle|$. Now $o(phi(g)) = |phi( langle g rangle)|$. Taking $G = langle g rangle$, the First Isomorphism theorem tells us that $|G| = |Im(phi)| cdot |ker(phi)|$. Note that $|Im(phi)| = o(phi(g))$.






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          You can get this more quickly using the First Isomorphism Theorem. Recall that $o(g) = |langle g rangle|$. Now $o(phi(g)) = |phi( langle g rangle)|$. Taking $G = langle g rangle$, the First Isomorphism theorem tells us that $|G| = |Im(phi)| cdot |ker(phi)|$. Note that $|Im(phi)| = o(phi(g))$.







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              I would just write $phi (g)^r=e$, with $rlt d$. So $r=0$. (It's pretty clear, since $e=phi(g)^m=phi(g)^d$).



              But it seems to be correct.



              Actually, once $phi (g)^m=e$ you're done (by the little argument you essentially gave). That is, $g^a=eimplies o(g)mid a$, generally.






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                I would just write $phi (g)^r=e$, with $rlt d$. So $r=0$. (It's pretty clear, since $e=phi(g)^m=phi(g)^d$).



                But it seems to be correct.



                Actually, once $phi (g)^m=e$ you're done (by the little argument you essentially gave). That is, $g^a=eimplies o(g)mid a$, generally.






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                  I would just write $phi (g)^r=e$, with $rlt d$. So $r=0$. (It's pretty clear, since $e=phi(g)^m=phi(g)^d$).



                  But it seems to be correct.



                  Actually, once $phi (g)^m=e$ you're done (by the little argument you essentially gave). That is, $g^a=eimplies o(g)mid a$, generally.






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                  But it seems to be correct.



                  Actually, once $phi (g)^m=e$ you're done (by the little argument you essentially gave). That is, $g^a=eimplies o(g)mid a$, generally.







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