Proving the Product of topological spaces are metrizable
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Let (X,d_1) and $(Y,d_2)$ be metric spaces. Further let $e$ be the metric in $Xtimes Y$ defined as $e((x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2))=d_1(x_1,x_2)+d_2(y_1,y_2)$.
Also let $tau$ be the topology induced on $Xtimes Y$ by $e$.
If $d_1$ and $d_2$ induces the topologies $tau_1$ and $tau_2$ on $X$ and $Y$, and respectively, and $tau_2$ is the product topology of $(X,tau_1)times(Y,tau_2)$ prove that $tau=tau_3$.
My proof:
Since $(X,d_1)$ and $(Y_2,d_2)$ are metric spaces the open sets are union of open balls such that:
$U_{x_1}=B(x_1,frac{epsilon}{2})={xin X:d_1(x_1,x)<frac{epsilon}{2}}$ for an arbitrary $x_1in X$
$V_{y_1}=B(y_1,frac{epsilon}{2})={yin Y:d_1(y_1,y)<frac{epsilon}{2}}$ for an arbitrary $y_1in Y$
The topology $tau_1$ and $tau_2$ are induced respectively by basis of open sets the form $U_{x_1}$ and $V_{y_1}$.
In the product topology space $(X,tau_1)times(Y,tau_2)$ ,$U_{x_1}times V_{y_1}$ are open sets that generate $tau$, however $U_{x_1}times V_{y_1}$ are in the topology $tau_3$ once
$U_{x_1}times V_{y_1}=B(x_1,frac{epsilon}{2})times B(y_1,frac{epsilon}{2})=B((x_1,y_1,epsilon))={(x,yin Xtimes Y):e((x_i,y_i),(x,y))<epsilon}$
once $e((x_i,y_i),(x,y))=d_1(x_1,x)+d_2(y_1,y)<frac{epsilon}{2}+frac{epsilon}{2}=epsilon$, which concludes the proof.
Question:
Is this proof right? If not. Why not? How should I correct it? Or provide an alternative one?
Thanks in advance!
general-topology proof-verification proof-writing
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Let (X,d_1) and $(Y,d_2)$ be metric spaces. Further let $e$ be the metric in $Xtimes Y$ defined as $e((x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2))=d_1(x_1,x_2)+d_2(y_1,y_2)$.
Also let $tau$ be the topology induced on $Xtimes Y$ by $e$.
If $d_1$ and $d_2$ induces the topologies $tau_1$ and $tau_2$ on $X$ and $Y$, and respectively, and $tau_2$ is the product topology of $(X,tau_1)times(Y,tau_2)$ prove that $tau=tau_3$.
My proof:
Since $(X,d_1)$ and $(Y_2,d_2)$ are metric spaces the open sets are union of open balls such that:
$U_{x_1}=B(x_1,frac{epsilon}{2})={xin X:d_1(x_1,x)<frac{epsilon}{2}}$ for an arbitrary $x_1in X$
$V_{y_1}=B(y_1,frac{epsilon}{2})={yin Y:d_1(y_1,y)<frac{epsilon}{2}}$ for an arbitrary $y_1in Y$
The topology $tau_1$ and $tau_2$ are induced respectively by basis of open sets the form $U_{x_1}$ and $V_{y_1}$.
In the product topology space $(X,tau_1)times(Y,tau_2)$ ,$U_{x_1}times V_{y_1}$ are open sets that generate $tau$, however $U_{x_1}times V_{y_1}$ are in the topology $tau_3$ once
$U_{x_1}times V_{y_1}=B(x_1,frac{epsilon}{2})times B(y_1,frac{epsilon}{2})=B((x_1,y_1,epsilon))={(x,yin Xtimes Y):e((x_i,y_i),(x,y))<epsilon}$
once $e((x_i,y_i),(x,y))=d_1(x_1,x)+d_2(y_1,y)<frac{epsilon}{2}+frac{epsilon}{2}=epsilon$, which concludes the proof.
Question:
Is this proof right? If not. Why not? How should I correct it? Or provide an alternative one?
Thanks in advance!
general-topology proof-verification proof-writing
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Let (X,d_1) and $(Y,d_2)$ be metric spaces. Further let $e$ be the metric in $Xtimes Y$ defined as $e((x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2))=d_1(x_1,x_2)+d_2(y_1,y_2)$.
Also let $tau$ be the topology induced on $Xtimes Y$ by $e$.
If $d_1$ and $d_2$ induces the topologies $tau_1$ and $tau_2$ on $X$ and $Y$, and respectively, and $tau_2$ is the product topology of $(X,tau_1)times(Y,tau_2)$ prove that $tau=tau_3$.
My proof:
Since $(X,d_1)$ and $(Y_2,d_2)$ are metric spaces the open sets are union of open balls such that:
$U_{x_1}=B(x_1,frac{epsilon}{2})={xin X:d_1(x_1,x)<frac{epsilon}{2}}$ for an arbitrary $x_1in X$
$V_{y_1}=B(y_1,frac{epsilon}{2})={yin Y:d_1(y_1,y)<frac{epsilon}{2}}$ for an arbitrary $y_1in Y$
The topology $tau_1$ and $tau_2$ are induced respectively by basis of open sets the form $U_{x_1}$ and $V_{y_1}$.
In the product topology space $(X,tau_1)times(Y,tau_2)$ ,$U_{x_1}times V_{y_1}$ are open sets that generate $tau$, however $U_{x_1}times V_{y_1}$ are in the topology $tau_3$ once
$U_{x_1}times V_{y_1}=B(x_1,frac{epsilon}{2})times B(y_1,frac{epsilon}{2})=B((x_1,y_1,epsilon))={(x,yin Xtimes Y):e((x_i,y_i),(x,y))<epsilon}$
once $e((x_i,y_i),(x,y))=d_1(x_1,x)+d_2(y_1,y)<frac{epsilon}{2}+frac{epsilon}{2}=epsilon$, which concludes the proof.
Question:
Is this proof right? If not. Why not? How should I correct it? Or provide an alternative one?
Thanks in advance!
general-topology proof-verification proof-writing
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Let (X,d_1) and $(Y,d_2)$ be metric spaces. Further let $e$ be the metric in $Xtimes Y$ defined as $e((x_1,y_1),(x_2,y_2))=d_1(x_1,x_2)+d_2(y_1,y_2)$.
Also let $tau$ be the topology induced on $Xtimes Y$ by $e$.
If $d_1$ and $d_2$ induces the topologies $tau_1$ and $tau_2$ on $X$ and $Y$, and respectively, and $tau_2$ is the product topology of $(X,tau_1)times(Y,tau_2)$ prove that $tau=tau_3$.
My proof:
Since $(X,d_1)$ and $(Y_2,d_2)$ are metric spaces the open sets are union of open balls such that:
$U_{x_1}=B(x_1,frac{epsilon}{2})={xin X:d_1(x_1,x)<frac{epsilon}{2}}$ for an arbitrary $x_1in X$
$V_{y_1}=B(y_1,frac{epsilon}{2})={yin Y:d_1(y_1,y)<frac{epsilon}{2}}$ for an arbitrary $y_1in Y$
The topology $tau_1$ and $tau_2$ are induced respectively by basis of open sets the form $U_{x_1}$ and $V_{y_1}$.
In the product topology space $(X,tau_1)times(Y,tau_2)$ ,$U_{x_1}times V_{y_1}$ are open sets that generate $tau$, however $U_{x_1}times V_{y_1}$ are in the topology $tau_3$ once
$U_{x_1}times V_{y_1}=B(x_1,frac{epsilon}{2})times B(y_1,frac{epsilon}{2})=B((x_1,y_1,epsilon))={(x,yin Xtimes Y):e((x_i,y_i),(x,y))<epsilon}$
once $e((x_i,y_i),(x,y))=d_1(x_1,x)+d_2(y_1,y)<frac{epsilon}{2}+frac{epsilon}{2}=epsilon$, which concludes the proof.
Question:
Is this proof right? If not. Why not? How should I correct it? Or provide an alternative one?
Thanks in advance!
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That's a start, but there's more for you to do. Your argument (I believe) is that:
(1) ${B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) : x_1 in X, y_1 in Y, epsilon > 0}$ is a basis for $tau_3$;
(2) ${B((x_1, y_1), epsilon) : x_1 in X, y_1 in Y, epsilon > 0}$ is a basis for $tau$;
(3) these two bases are exactly the same, because $B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) = B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$;
(4) therefore these two bases generate the same topology, which means $tau = tau_3$.
This would work except that (3) is false. For example, take $X$ and $Y$ both to be the real numbers with the usual metric, and draw $B(0, 1) times B(0, 1)$ and $B((0, 0), 1)$: the first is a square and the second is a diamond around the square.
Your argument does show that $B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) subseteq B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$. That is, the second one can be larger, as in the example above. I think that will be useful.
Usually the best approach for showing that two sets are the same is to show that each contains the other, so I suggest you break the proof into two parts: show that (1) $tau subseteq tau_3$, and (2) $tau_3 subseteq tau$. To show (1), for example, it's enough to show that any basic open set $B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$ is in $tau_3$; then all the other sets in $tau$, which are unions of these basic open sets, must also be in $tau_3$. This approach should also work for (2).
See if that helps!
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Thanks for your answer. I cannot picture the diamond you talk. Could you provide some more insight into that particularity? Thanks in advance!
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– Pedro Gomes
Dec 25 '18 at 18:54
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Sure. In that case $e$ is often called the "taxicab metric". There's more on that in Wikipedia, including a few examples. Try drawing a bunch of points, figure out which ones are inside $B((0, 0), 1)$ and which are not, and I think you will see the pattern.
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That's a start, but there's more for you to do. Your argument (I believe) is that:
(1) ${B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) : x_1 in X, y_1 in Y, epsilon > 0}$ is a basis for $tau_3$;
(2) ${B((x_1, y_1), epsilon) : x_1 in X, y_1 in Y, epsilon > 0}$ is a basis for $tau$;
(3) these two bases are exactly the same, because $B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) = B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$;
(4) therefore these two bases generate the same topology, which means $tau = tau_3$.
This would work except that (3) is false. For example, take $X$ and $Y$ both to be the real numbers with the usual metric, and draw $B(0, 1) times B(0, 1)$ and $B((0, 0), 1)$: the first is a square and the second is a diamond around the square.
Your argument does show that $B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) subseteq B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$. That is, the second one can be larger, as in the example above. I think that will be useful.
Usually the best approach for showing that two sets are the same is to show that each contains the other, so I suggest you break the proof into two parts: show that (1) $tau subseteq tau_3$, and (2) $tau_3 subseteq tau$. To show (1), for example, it's enough to show that any basic open set $B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$ is in $tau_3$; then all the other sets in $tau$, which are unions of these basic open sets, must also be in $tau_3$. This approach should also work for (2).
See if that helps!
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Thanks for your answer. I cannot picture the diamond you talk. Could you provide some more insight into that particularity? Thanks in advance!
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– Pedro Gomes
Dec 25 '18 at 18:54
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Sure. In that case $e$ is often called the "taxicab metric". There's more on that in Wikipedia, including a few examples. Try drawing a bunch of points, figure out which ones are inside $B((0, 0), 1)$ and which are not, and I think you will see the pattern.
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– Hew Wolff
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That's a start, but there's more for you to do. Your argument (I believe) is that:
(1) ${B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) : x_1 in X, y_1 in Y, epsilon > 0}$ is a basis for $tau_3$;
(2) ${B((x_1, y_1), epsilon) : x_1 in X, y_1 in Y, epsilon > 0}$ is a basis for $tau$;
(3) these two bases are exactly the same, because $B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) = B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$;
(4) therefore these two bases generate the same topology, which means $tau = tau_3$.
This would work except that (3) is false. For example, take $X$ and $Y$ both to be the real numbers with the usual metric, and draw $B(0, 1) times B(0, 1)$ and $B((0, 0), 1)$: the first is a square and the second is a diamond around the square.
Your argument does show that $B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) subseteq B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$. That is, the second one can be larger, as in the example above. I think that will be useful.
Usually the best approach for showing that two sets are the same is to show that each contains the other, so I suggest you break the proof into two parts: show that (1) $tau subseteq tau_3$, and (2) $tau_3 subseteq tau$. To show (1), for example, it's enough to show that any basic open set $B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$ is in $tau_3$; then all the other sets in $tau$, which are unions of these basic open sets, must also be in $tau_3$. This approach should also work for (2).
See if that helps!
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Thanks for your answer. I cannot picture the diamond you talk. Could you provide some more insight into that particularity? Thanks in advance!
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– Pedro Gomes
Dec 25 '18 at 18:54
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Sure. In that case $e$ is often called the "taxicab metric". There's more on that in Wikipedia, including a few examples. Try drawing a bunch of points, figure out which ones are inside $B((0, 0), 1)$ and which are not, and I think you will see the pattern.
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– Hew Wolff
Dec 26 '18 at 15:38
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That's a start, but there's more for you to do. Your argument (I believe) is that:
(1) ${B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) : x_1 in X, y_1 in Y, epsilon > 0}$ is a basis for $tau_3$;
(2) ${B((x_1, y_1), epsilon) : x_1 in X, y_1 in Y, epsilon > 0}$ is a basis for $tau$;
(3) these two bases are exactly the same, because $B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) = B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$;
(4) therefore these two bases generate the same topology, which means $tau = tau_3$.
This would work except that (3) is false. For example, take $X$ and $Y$ both to be the real numbers with the usual metric, and draw $B(0, 1) times B(0, 1)$ and $B((0, 0), 1)$: the first is a square and the second is a diamond around the square.
Your argument does show that $B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) subseteq B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$. That is, the second one can be larger, as in the example above. I think that will be useful.
Usually the best approach for showing that two sets are the same is to show that each contains the other, so I suggest you break the proof into two parts: show that (1) $tau subseteq tau_3$, and (2) $tau_3 subseteq tau$. To show (1), for example, it's enough to show that any basic open set $B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$ is in $tau_3$; then all the other sets in $tau$, which are unions of these basic open sets, must also be in $tau_3$. This approach should also work for (2).
See if that helps!
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That's a start, but there's more for you to do. Your argument (I believe) is that:
(1) ${B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) : x_1 in X, y_1 in Y, epsilon > 0}$ is a basis for $tau_3$;
(2) ${B((x_1, y_1), epsilon) : x_1 in X, y_1 in Y, epsilon > 0}$ is a basis for $tau$;
(3) these two bases are exactly the same, because $B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) = B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$;
(4) therefore these two bases generate the same topology, which means $tau = tau_3$.
This would work except that (3) is false. For example, take $X$ and $Y$ both to be the real numbers with the usual metric, and draw $B(0, 1) times B(0, 1)$ and $B((0, 0), 1)$: the first is a square and the second is a diamond around the square.
Your argument does show that $B(x_1, epsilon/2) times B(y_1, epsilon/2) subseteq B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$. That is, the second one can be larger, as in the example above. I think that will be useful.
Usually the best approach for showing that two sets are the same is to show that each contains the other, so I suggest you break the proof into two parts: show that (1) $tau subseteq tau_3$, and (2) $tau_3 subseteq tau$. To show (1), for example, it's enough to show that any basic open set $B((x_1, y_1), epsilon)$ is in $tau_3$; then all the other sets in $tau$, which are unions of these basic open sets, must also be in $tau_3$. This approach should also work for (2).
See if that helps!
answered Dec 25 '18 at 2:41
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Thanks for your answer. I cannot picture the diamond you talk. Could you provide some more insight into that particularity? Thanks in advance!
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– Pedro Gomes
Dec 25 '18 at 18:54
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Sure. In that case $e$ is often called the "taxicab metric". There's more on that in Wikipedia, including a few examples. Try drawing a bunch of points, figure out which ones are inside $B((0, 0), 1)$ and which are not, and I think you will see the pattern.
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– Hew Wolff
Dec 26 '18 at 15:38
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Thanks for your answer. I cannot picture the diamond you talk. Could you provide some more insight into that particularity? Thanks in advance!
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– Pedro Gomes
Dec 25 '18 at 18:54
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Sure. In that case $e$ is often called the "taxicab metric". There's more on that in Wikipedia, including a few examples. Try drawing a bunch of points, figure out which ones are inside $B((0, 0), 1)$ and which are not, and I think you will see the pattern.
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– Hew Wolff
Dec 26 '18 at 15:38
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Thanks for your answer. I cannot picture the diamond you talk. Could you provide some more insight into that particularity? Thanks in advance!
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– Pedro Gomes
Dec 25 '18 at 18:54
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Thanks for your answer. I cannot picture the diamond you talk. Could you provide some more insight into that particularity? Thanks in advance!
$endgroup$
– Pedro Gomes
Dec 25 '18 at 18:54
$begingroup$
Sure. In that case $e$ is often called the "taxicab metric". There's more on that in Wikipedia, including a few examples. Try drawing a bunch of points, figure out which ones are inside $B((0, 0), 1)$ and which are not, and I think you will see the pattern.
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– Hew Wolff
Dec 26 '18 at 15:38
$begingroup$
Sure. In that case $e$ is often called the "taxicab metric". There's more on that in Wikipedia, including a few examples. Try drawing a bunch of points, figure out which ones are inside $B((0, 0), 1)$ and which are not, and I think you will see the pattern.
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– Hew Wolff
Dec 26 '18 at 15:38
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