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If $a$, $b$ are the roots of $x^2-2x+3$.Then the equation whose roots are $a^3-3a^2+5a-2$ and $b^3-b^2+b+5$ is:




I have not been able to find a better method than to calculate $a$ and $b$ then substitute them into the roots for the new polynomial.



I believe this question can't be transformed in a similar manner as mentioned in this question as the new roots are asymmetrical.



Does a better method than the lackluster substitution, exist?



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    If $a$, $b$ are the roots of $x^2-2x+3$.Then the equation whose roots are $a^3-3a^2+5a-2$ and $b^3-b^2+b+5$ is:




    I have not been able to find a better method than to calculate $a$ and $b$ then substitute them into the roots for the new polynomial.



    I believe this question can't be transformed in a similar manner as mentioned in this question as the new roots are asymmetrical.



    Does a better method than the lackluster substitution, exist?



    The answer is:




    $x^2-3x+2$







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      If $a$, $b$ are the roots of $x^2-2x+3$.Then the equation whose roots are $a^3-3a^2+5a-2$ and $b^3-b^2+b+5$ is:




      I have not been able to find a better method than to calculate $a$ and $b$ then substitute them into the roots for the new polynomial.



      I believe this question can't be transformed in a similar manner as mentioned in this question as the new roots are asymmetrical.



      Does a better method than the lackluster substitution, exist?



      The answer is:




      $x^2-3x+2$







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      If $a$, $b$ are the roots of $x^2-2x+3$.Then the equation whose roots are $a^3-3a^2+5a-2$ and $b^3-b^2+b+5$ is:




      I have not been able to find a better method than to calculate $a$ and $b$ then substitute them into the roots for the new polynomial.



      I believe this question can't be transformed in a similar manner as mentioned in this question as the new roots are asymmetrical.



      Does a better method than the lackluster substitution, exist?



      The answer is:




      $x^2-3x+2$







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          Since $x^2=2x-3$, we get that $x^3=2x^2-3x=x-6$. Then,
          $$
          begin{align}
          a^3-3a^2+5a-2
          &=(a-6)-3(2a-3)+5a-2\
          &=1
          end{align}
          $$
          and
          $$
          begin{align}
          b^3-b^2+b+5
          &=(b-6)-(2b-3)+b+5\
          &=2
          end{align}
          $$
          It is easy to find an equation which has roots of $1$ and $2$.






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            @CaptainQuestion In this case it's actually easier to use long division to compute the remainder - I added that to my answer to show how easy it is.
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          Hint:



          As $a,b$ are the roots of $x^2-2x+3=0$



          $a^3-3a^2+5a-3=(a^2-2a+3)(a-1)+1=1$



          Similarly for $b$






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            Hint $ x^3-3x^2+5x-2,bmod, color{#c00}{x^2-2x+3}, =, color{#0a0}1 $ (and $= color{#90f}2$ for the other). So we seek a polynomial with roots $color{#0a0}1$ and $color{#90f}2,,$ e.g. $ (x-color{#0a0}1)(x-color{#90f}2)$



            Remark $ $ The remainder is quickly computable by long division (ignoring the unneeded quotient)



            $$begin{align}
            & 1 {-}3 , 5, {-}2\
            &color{#c00}{{-}1, 2 {-}3}\
            & {-}1 2 {-}2\
            &color{#c00}{ 1 {-}2 3}\
            &qquadqquadquad color{#0a0}1
            end{align}qquadqquadquad$$






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              Since $x^2=2x-3$, we get that $x^3=2x^2-3x=x-6$. Then,
              $$
              begin{align}
              a^3-3a^2+5a-2
              &=(a-6)-3(2a-3)+5a-2\
              &=1
              end{align}
              $$
              and
              $$
              begin{align}
              b^3-b^2+b+5
              &=(b-6)-(2b-3)+b+5\
              &=2
              end{align}
              $$
              It is easy to find an equation which has roots of $1$ and $2$.






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                Never thought about using the initial polynomial to create a reduction formula absolutely radical!
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                – CaptainQuestion
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                $begingroup$
                @CaptainQuestion In this case it's actually easier to use long division to compute the remainder - I added that to my answer to show how easy it is.
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                – Bill Dubuque
                Dec 24 '18 at 16:44


















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              $begingroup$

              Since $x^2=2x-3$, we get that $x^3=2x^2-3x=x-6$. Then,
              $$
              begin{align}
              a^3-3a^2+5a-2
              &=(a-6)-3(2a-3)+5a-2\
              &=1
              end{align}
              $$
              and
              $$
              begin{align}
              b^3-b^2+b+5
              &=(b-6)-(2b-3)+b+5\
              &=2
              end{align}
              $$
              It is easy to find an equation which has roots of $1$ and $2$.






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                Never thought about using the initial polynomial to create a reduction formula absolutely radical!
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                – CaptainQuestion
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              • 1




                $begingroup$
                @CaptainQuestion In this case it's actually easier to use long division to compute the remainder - I added that to my answer to show how easy it is.
                $endgroup$
                – Bill Dubuque
                Dec 24 '18 at 16:44
















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              $begingroup$

              Since $x^2=2x-3$, we get that $x^3=2x^2-3x=x-6$. Then,
              $$
              begin{align}
              a^3-3a^2+5a-2
              &=(a-6)-3(2a-3)+5a-2\
              &=1
              end{align}
              $$
              and
              $$
              begin{align}
              b^3-b^2+b+5
              &=(b-6)-(2b-3)+b+5\
              &=2
              end{align}
              $$
              It is easy to find an equation which has roots of $1$ and $2$.






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              Since $x^2=2x-3$, we get that $x^3=2x^2-3x=x-6$. Then,
              $$
              begin{align}
              a^3-3a^2+5a-2
              &=(a-6)-3(2a-3)+5a-2\
              &=1
              end{align}
              $$
              and
              $$
              begin{align}
              b^3-b^2+b+5
              &=(b-6)-(2b-3)+b+5\
              &=2
              end{align}
              $$
              It is easy to find an equation which has roots of $1$ and $2$.







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                Never thought about using the initial polynomial to create a reduction formula absolutely radical!
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                – CaptainQuestion
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              • 1




                $begingroup$
                @CaptainQuestion In this case it's actually easier to use long division to compute the remainder - I added that to my answer to show how easy it is.
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                – Bill Dubuque
                Dec 24 '18 at 16:44




















              • $begingroup$
                Never thought about using the initial polynomial to create a reduction formula absolutely radical!
                $endgroup$
                – CaptainQuestion
                Dec 24 '18 at 16:43






              • 1




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                @CaptainQuestion In this case it's actually easier to use long division to compute the remainder - I added that to my answer to show how easy it is.
                $endgroup$
                – Bill Dubuque
                Dec 24 '18 at 16:44


















              $begingroup$
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              $endgroup$
              – CaptainQuestion
              Dec 24 '18 at 16:43




              $begingroup$
              Never thought about using the initial polynomial to create a reduction formula absolutely radical!
              $endgroup$
              – CaptainQuestion
              Dec 24 '18 at 16:43




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              $begingroup$
              @CaptainQuestion In this case it's actually easier to use long division to compute the remainder - I added that to my answer to show how easy it is.
              $endgroup$
              – Bill Dubuque
              Dec 24 '18 at 16:44






              $begingroup$
              @CaptainQuestion In this case it's actually easier to use long division to compute the remainder - I added that to my answer to show how easy it is.
              $endgroup$
              – Bill Dubuque
              Dec 24 '18 at 16:44













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              Hint:



              As $a,b$ are the roots of $x^2-2x+3=0$



              $a^3-3a^2+5a-3=(a^2-2a+3)(a-1)+1=1$



              Similarly for $b$






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                Hint:



                As $a,b$ are the roots of $x^2-2x+3=0$



                $a^3-3a^2+5a-3=(a^2-2a+3)(a-1)+1=1$



                Similarly for $b$






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                  Hint:



                  As $a,b$ are the roots of $x^2-2x+3=0$



                  $a^3-3a^2+5a-3=(a^2-2a+3)(a-1)+1=1$



                  Similarly for $b$






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                  Hint:



                  As $a,b$ are the roots of $x^2-2x+3=0$



                  $a^3-3a^2+5a-3=(a^2-2a+3)(a-1)+1=1$



                  Similarly for $b$







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                      Hint $ x^3-3x^2+5x-2,bmod, color{#c00}{x^2-2x+3}, =, color{#0a0}1 $ (and $= color{#90f}2$ for the other). So we seek a polynomial with roots $color{#0a0}1$ and $color{#90f}2,,$ e.g. $ (x-color{#0a0}1)(x-color{#90f}2)$



                      Remark $ $ The remainder is quickly computable by long division (ignoring the unneeded quotient)



                      $$begin{align}
                      & 1 {-}3 , 5, {-}2\
                      &color{#c00}{{-}1, 2 {-}3}\
                      & {-}1 2 {-}2\
                      &color{#c00}{ 1 {-}2 3}\
                      &qquadqquadquad color{#0a0}1
                      end{align}qquadqquadquad$$






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                        Hint $ x^3-3x^2+5x-2,bmod, color{#c00}{x^2-2x+3}, =, color{#0a0}1 $ (and $= color{#90f}2$ for the other). So we seek a polynomial with roots $color{#0a0}1$ and $color{#90f}2,,$ e.g. $ (x-color{#0a0}1)(x-color{#90f}2)$



                        Remark $ $ The remainder is quickly computable by long division (ignoring the unneeded quotient)



                        $$begin{align}
                        & 1 {-}3 , 5, {-}2\
                        &color{#c00}{{-}1, 2 {-}3}\
                        & {-}1 2 {-}2\
                        &color{#c00}{ 1 {-}2 3}\
                        &qquadqquadquad color{#0a0}1
                        end{align}qquadqquadquad$$






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                          Hint $ x^3-3x^2+5x-2,bmod, color{#c00}{x^2-2x+3}, =, color{#0a0}1 $ (and $= color{#90f}2$ for the other). So we seek a polynomial with roots $color{#0a0}1$ and $color{#90f}2,,$ e.g. $ (x-color{#0a0}1)(x-color{#90f}2)$



                          Remark $ $ The remainder is quickly computable by long division (ignoring the unneeded quotient)



                          $$begin{align}
                          & 1 {-}3 , 5, {-}2\
                          &color{#c00}{{-}1, 2 {-}3}\
                          & {-}1 2 {-}2\
                          &color{#c00}{ 1 {-}2 3}\
                          &qquadqquadquad color{#0a0}1
                          end{align}qquadqquadquad$$






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                          Hint $ x^3-3x^2+5x-2,bmod, color{#c00}{x^2-2x+3}, =, color{#0a0}1 $ (and $= color{#90f}2$ for the other). So we seek a polynomial with roots $color{#0a0}1$ and $color{#90f}2,,$ e.g. $ (x-color{#0a0}1)(x-color{#90f}2)$



                          Remark $ $ The remainder is quickly computable by long division (ignoring the unneeded quotient)



                          $$begin{align}
                          & 1 {-}3 , 5, {-}2\
                          &color{#c00}{{-}1, 2 {-}3}\
                          & {-}1 2 {-}2\
                          &color{#c00}{ 1 {-}2 3}\
                          &qquadqquadquad color{#0a0}1
                          end{align}qquadqquadquad$$







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