Conjecture: in an ellipse with major axis AB, the projection I of one of the foci on any tangent is such that...
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I think I have found out some property of an ellipse. Define the following:
- The point $P$ belongs to the ellipse.
- The tangent line $ell$ goes through $P$.
- The point $F$ is one of the foci.
- The line $m$, through $F$, is perpendicular to the line $ell$ at point $I$.
$A$ and $B$ are the vertices of the ellipse (that is, the endpoints of the major axis).
In this case,
The $angle AIB$ is always $pi/2$. (I think.....)
But I didn't prove yet...
- Is it true?
- Could anybody give me some advice?
Thanks in advance.
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Really thanks, makes me fun!

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I think I have found out some property of an ellipse. Define the following:
- The point $P$ belongs to the ellipse.
- The tangent line $ell$ goes through $P$.
- The point $F$ is one of the foci.
- The line $m$, through $F$, is perpendicular to the line $ell$ at point $I$.
$A$ and $B$ are the vertices of the ellipse (that is, the endpoints of the major axis).
In this case,
The $angle AIB$ is always $pi/2$. (I think.....)
But I didn't prove yet...
- Is it true?
- Could anybody give me some advice?
Thanks in advance.
Edit1 For jmerry

Edit2 For jmerry
Really thanks, makes me fun!

geometry
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What did you use to make the diagrams? They're unconventional and really nice!
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– YiFan
Feb 6 at 3:42
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I have the same question as YiFan. Can you make a common answer to both of us ?
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 20:54
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Besides, I have taken the liberty to modify your title which (I think) is a little less enigmatic under this form.
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– Jean Marie
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I just used UPAD app for ios, but usually use Geogebra, GSP. :-) And thanks for editing my question!
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I think I have found out some property of an ellipse. Define the following:
- The point $P$ belongs to the ellipse.
- The tangent line $ell$ goes through $P$.
- The point $F$ is one of the foci.
- The line $m$, through $F$, is perpendicular to the line $ell$ at point $I$.
$A$ and $B$ are the vertices of the ellipse (that is, the endpoints of the major axis).
In this case,
The $angle AIB$ is always $pi/2$. (I think.....)
But I didn't prove yet...
- Is it true?
- Could anybody give me some advice?
Thanks in advance.
Edit1 For jmerry

Edit2 For jmerry
Really thanks, makes me fun!

geometry
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I think I have found out some property of an ellipse. Define the following:
- The point $P$ belongs to the ellipse.
- The tangent line $ell$ goes through $P$.
- The point $F$ is one of the foci.
- The line $m$, through $F$, is perpendicular to the line $ell$ at point $I$.
$A$ and $B$ are the vertices of the ellipse (that is, the endpoints of the major axis).
In this case,
The $angle AIB$ is always $pi/2$. (I think.....)
But I didn't prove yet...
- Is it true?
- Could anybody give me some advice?
Thanks in advance.
Edit1 For jmerry

Edit2 For jmerry
Really thanks, makes me fun!

geometry
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What did you use to make the diagrams? They're unconventional and really nice!
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– YiFan
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I have the same question as YiFan. Can you make a common answer to both of us ?
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 20:54
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Besides, I have taken the liberty to modify your title which (I think) is a little less enigmatic under this form.
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 21:17
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I just used UPAD app for ios, but usually use Geogebra, GSP. :-) And thanks for editing my question!
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– user143993
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What did you use to make the diagrams? They're unconventional and really nice!
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– YiFan
Feb 6 at 3:42
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I have the same question as YiFan. Can you make a common answer to both of us ?
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 20:54
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Besides, I have taken the liberty to modify your title which (I think) is a little less enigmatic under this form.
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 21:17
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I just used UPAD app for ios, but usually use Geogebra, GSP. :-) And thanks for editing my question!
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– user143993
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What did you use to make the diagrams? They're unconventional and really nice!
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– YiFan
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What did you use to make the diagrams? They're unconventional and really nice!
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– YiFan
Feb 6 at 3:42
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I have the same question as YiFan. Can you make a common answer to both of us ?
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 20:54
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I have the same question as YiFan. Can you make a common answer to both of us ?
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 20:54
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Besides, I have taken the liberty to modify your title which (I think) is a little less enigmatic under this form.
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 21:17
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Besides, I have taken the liberty to modify your title which (I think) is a little less enigmatic under this form.
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 21:17
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I just used UPAD app for ios, but usually use Geogebra, GSP. :-) And thanks for editing my question!
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– user143993
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Yes, it's true.
Some advice: the locus of all points $I$ such that $angle AIB$ is a right angle is the circle with diameter $AB$. So, then, if you can show that $OI=OA=OB$ where $O$ is the center of the ellipse, you'll have it.
Next, add some more things to your diagram. The other focus (let's call it $G$) looks like a good place to start - after all, that lets us use nice facts like the segments from $P$ to the two focuses making the same angle to the tangent line $ell$, and that $PF+PG=AB$.
So now, how can you use those facts? Don't be afraid to extend lines and find new intersections.
[Added in edit]
All right, you've drawn some more things in, and some equal angles. Since we're looking at $I$ in particular, how about naming that point where $GP$ and $FI$ intersect? You've already labeled an angle there, so naming the point will make it easier to work with.
(I called it $J$ in my diagram)
Oh, and since we're interested in the length of $OI$, that's another segment we should draw.
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I would like to listen more about "Next ~ intersections." Could you please check my edited question?
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– user143993
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I have just added another diagram.
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:36
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Huh - never heard that name before. Of course, the theorem I was thinking of, attributed to Thales, is far older than Monge.
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– jmerry
Feb 5 at 9:01
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The circle you mention in your first sentence is not Monge's circle as I thought at first but the "auxiliary circle" (I have found back its name just now) : mathworld.wolfram.com/AuxiliaryCircle.html
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Hint: The only way for the angle $AIB$ to always be $frac{pi}{2}$ is if the point $I$ lies along a circle with radius $|B|$ (Check out Thales's Theorem). In other words, the distance from I to the origin must be constant.
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Thanks a lot. Can I have more hint for proving OI=OA, where O is the origin
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:42
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If you have an expression for the $x$ coordinate of I and the $y$ coordinate of $I$, then showing $sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = Constant = |A|$ is sufficient. I'm sure there is a much more elegant way to do it geometrically but one way is to express the top half of the ellipse as a function and then calculate a general tangent line to the ellipse (using its derivative) and find a line normal to the tangent (by reciprocating the slope of the tangent line) that goes through the focus. Then find where the tangent and the normal intersect, that is the coordinates for $I$.
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Feb 5 at 7:52
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Note: if you have proven it for the top half, it must be true for the bottom half as well (by symmetry)
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Thanks for helping! Really thanks.
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Not a strict proof, an interesting observation though.
There is a method to draw an ellipse by folding paper. See this video: Folding a Circle into an Ellipse. In case the link dies, of if you want more information, search for folding paper ellipse or so.
The method goes like this:
- Draw a circle on a piece of paper, $G$ is the center.
- Choose a point $F$ inside the circle.
- Repeat many times ($n=0,1,2,3,…$) the following:
- choose a point $J_n$ on the circle;
- fold the paper so $J_n$ meets $F$;
- unfold, denote the folding line $l_n$.
- An ellipse will appear with $F$ and $G$ as foci; each $l_n$ will be some tangent line.
In the question you're working in reverse! You have the ellipse, you have $F$ and $G$. You choose some $l$ and find corresponding $J$. All possible $J$-like points should then form a circle which I denote $mathcal{J}$; we expect $G$ to be its center.
How about $I$ and all possible $I$-like points (the set I denote $mathcal{I}$)? From the fact that $overrightarrow{FI} = frac 1 2 overrightarrow{FJ}$ we conclude $mathcal{I}$ should be a homogeneous dilation of $mathcal{J}$ with the center $F$ and the ratio $frac 1 2$. So all possible $I$-like points also form a circle. Applying the dilation to the center of the circle $mathcal{J}$ (i.e. to the point $G$) we obtain the center of the circle $mathcal{I}$. In your case it's the origin $O$.
Now consider tangent lines at $A$ and at $B$. It's easy to see these two points must belong to $mathcal{I}$. Knowing $O$ is the center of $mathcal{I}$, we conclude $AB$ is the diameter.
Your $I$ is on the circle $mathcal{I}$, the diameter is $AB$. Therefore $angle AIB = frac pi 2$.
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Yes, it's true.
Some advice: the locus of all points $I$ such that $angle AIB$ is a right angle is the circle with diameter $AB$. So, then, if you can show that $OI=OA=OB$ where $O$ is the center of the ellipse, you'll have it.
Next, add some more things to your diagram. The other focus (let's call it $G$) looks like a good place to start - after all, that lets us use nice facts like the segments from $P$ to the two focuses making the same angle to the tangent line $ell$, and that $PF+PG=AB$.
So now, how can you use those facts? Don't be afraid to extend lines and find new intersections.
[Added in edit]
All right, you've drawn some more things in, and some equal angles. Since we're looking at $I$ in particular, how about naming that point where $GP$ and $FI$ intersect? You've already labeled an angle there, so naming the point will make it easier to work with.
(I called it $J$ in my diagram)
Oh, and since we're interested in the length of $OI$, that's another segment we should draw.
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I would like to listen more about "Next ~ intersections." Could you please check my edited question?
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:34
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I have just added another diagram.
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:36
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Huh - never heard that name before. Of course, the theorem I was thinking of, attributed to Thales, is far older than Monge.
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– jmerry
Feb 5 at 9:01
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The circle you mention in your first sentence is not Monge's circle as I thought at first but the "auxiliary circle" (I have found back its name just now) : mathworld.wolfram.com/AuxiliaryCircle.html
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 21:22
add a comment |
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Yes, it's true.
Some advice: the locus of all points $I$ such that $angle AIB$ is a right angle is the circle with diameter $AB$. So, then, if you can show that $OI=OA=OB$ where $O$ is the center of the ellipse, you'll have it.
Next, add some more things to your diagram. The other focus (let's call it $G$) looks like a good place to start - after all, that lets us use nice facts like the segments from $P$ to the two focuses making the same angle to the tangent line $ell$, and that $PF+PG=AB$.
So now, how can you use those facts? Don't be afraid to extend lines and find new intersections.
[Added in edit]
All right, you've drawn some more things in, and some equal angles. Since we're looking at $I$ in particular, how about naming that point where $GP$ and $FI$ intersect? You've already labeled an angle there, so naming the point will make it easier to work with.
(I called it $J$ in my diagram)
Oh, and since we're interested in the length of $OI$, that's another segment we should draw.
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I would like to listen more about "Next ~ intersections." Could you please check my edited question?
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:34
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I have just added another diagram.
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:36
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Huh - never heard that name before. Of course, the theorem I was thinking of, attributed to Thales, is far older than Monge.
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– jmerry
Feb 5 at 9:01
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The circle you mention in your first sentence is not Monge's circle as I thought at first but the "auxiliary circle" (I have found back its name just now) : mathworld.wolfram.com/AuxiliaryCircle.html
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 21:22
add a comment |
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Yes, it's true.
Some advice: the locus of all points $I$ such that $angle AIB$ is a right angle is the circle with diameter $AB$. So, then, if you can show that $OI=OA=OB$ where $O$ is the center of the ellipse, you'll have it.
Next, add some more things to your diagram. The other focus (let's call it $G$) looks like a good place to start - after all, that lets us use nice facts like the segments from $P$ to the two focuses making the same angle to the tangent line $ell$, and that $PF+PG=AB$.
So now, how can you use those facts? Don't be afraid to extend lines and find new intersections.
[Added in edit]
All right, you've drawn some more things in, and some equal angles. Since we're looking at $I$ in particular, how about naming that point where $GP$ and $FI$ intersect? You've already labeled an angle there, so naming the point will make it easier to work with.
(I called it $J$ in my diagram)
Oh, and since we're interested in the length of $OI$, that's another segment we should draw.
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Yes, it's true.
Some advice: the locus of all points $I$ such that $angle AIB$ is a right angle is the circle with diameter $AB$. So, then, if you can show that $OI=OA=OB$ where $O$ is the center of the ellipse, you'll have it.
Next, add some more things to your diagram. The other focus (let's call it $G$) looks like a good place to start - after all, that lets us use nice facts like the segments from $P$ to the two focuses making the same angle to the tangent line $ell$, and that $PF+PG=AB$.
So now, how can you use those facts? Don't be afraid to extend lines and find new intersections.
[Added in edit]
All right, you've drawn some more things in, and some equal angles. Since we're looking at $I$ in particular, how about naming that point where $GP$ and $FI$ intersect? You've already labeled an angle there, so naming the point will make it easier to work with.
(I called it $J$ in my diagram)
Oh, and since we're interested in the length of $OI$, that's another segment we should draw.
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answered Feb 5 at 7:16
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I would like to listen more about "Next ~ intersections." Could you please check my edited question?
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:34
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I have just added another diagram.
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:36
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Huh - never heard that name before. Of course, the theorem I was thinking of, attributed to Thales, is far older than Monge.
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– jmerry
Feb 5 at 9:01
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The circle you mention in your first sentence is not Monge's circle as I thought at first but the "auxiliary circle" (I have found back its name just now) : mathworld.wolfram.com/AuxiliaryCircle.html
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 21:22
add a comment |
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I would like to listen more about "Next ~ intersections." Could you please check my edited question?
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:34
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I have just added another diagram.
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:36
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Huh - never heard that name before. Of course, the theorem I was thinking of, attributed to Thales, is far older than Monge.
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– jmerry
Feb 5 at 9:01
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The circle you mention in your first sentence is not Monge's circle as I thought at first but the "auxiliary circle" (I have found back its name just now) : mathworld.wolfram.com/AuxiliaryCircle.html
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 21:22
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I would like to listen more about "Next ~ intersections." Could you please check my edited question?
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:34
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I would like to listen more about "Next ~ intersections." Could you please check my edited question?
$endgroup$
– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:34
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I have just added another diagram.
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:36
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I have just added another diagram.
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:36
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Huh - never heard that name before. Of course, the theorem I was thinking of, attributed to Thales, is far older than Monge.
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– jmerry
Feb 5 at 9:01
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Huh - never heard that name before. Of course, the theorem I was thinking of, attributed to Thales, is far older than Monge.
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– jmerry
Feb 5 at 9:01
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The circle you mention in your first sentence is not Monge's circle as I thought at first but the "auxiliary circle" (I have found back its name just now) : mathworld.wolfram.com/AuxiliaryCircle.html
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 21:22
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The circle you mention in your first sentence is not Monge's circle as I thought at first but the "auxiliary circle" (I have found back its name just now) : mathworld.wolfram.com/AuxiliaryCircle.html
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– Jean Marie
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Hint: The only way for the angle $AIB$ to always be $frac{pi}{2}$ is if the point $I$ lies along a circle with radius $|B|$ (Check out Thales's Theorem). In other words, the distance from I to the origin must be constant.
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Thanks a lot. Can I have more hint for proving OI=OA, where O is the origin
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:42
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If you have an expression for the $x$ coordinate of I and the $y$ coordinate of $I$, then showing $sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = Constant = |A|$ is sufficient. I'm sure there is a much more elegant way to do it geometrically but one way is to express the top half of the ellipse as a function and then calculate a general tangent line to the ellipse (using its derivative) and find a line normal to the tangent (by reciprocating the slope of the tangent line) that goes through the focus. Then find where the tangent and the normal intersect, that is the coordinates for $I$.
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– user636441
Feb 5 at 7:52
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Note: if you have proven it for the top half, it must be true for the bottom half as well (by symmetry)
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– user636441
Feb 5 at 7:52
1
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Thanks for helping! Really thanks.
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– user143993
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Hint: The only way for the angle $AIB$ to always be $frac{pi}{2}$ is if the point $I$ lies along a circle with radius $|B|$ (Check out Thales's Theorem). In other words, the distance from I to the origin must be constant.
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Thanks a lot. Can I have more hint for proving OI=OA, where O is the origin
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:42
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If you have an expression for the $x$ coordinate of I and the $y$ coordinate of $I$, then showing $sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = Constant = |A|$ is sufficient. I'm sure there is a much more elegant way to do it geometrically but one way is to express the top half of the ellipse as a function and then calculate a general tangent line to the ellipse (using its derivative) and find a line normal to the tangent (by reciprocating the slope of the tangent line) that goes through the focus. Then find where the tangent and the normal intersect, that is the coordinates for $I$.
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– user636441
Feb 5 at 7:52
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Note: if you have proven it for the top half, it must be true for the bottom half as well (by symmetry)
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– user636441
Feb 5 at 7:52
1
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Thanks for helping! Really thanks.
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 8:18
add a comment |
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Hint: The only way for the angle $AIB$ to always be $frac{pi}{2}$ is if the point $I$ lies along a circle with radius $|B|$ (Check out Thales's Theorem). In other words, the distance from I to the origin must be constant.
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Hint: The only way for the angle $AIB$ to always be $frac{pi}{2}$ is if the point $I$ lies along a circle with radius $|B|$ (Check out Thales's Theorem). In other words, the distance from I to the origin must be constant.
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Thanks a lot. Can I have more hint for proving OI=OA, where O is the origin
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:42
$begingroup$
If you have an expression for the $x$ coordinate of I and the $y$ coordinate of $I$, then showing $sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = Constant = |A|$ is sufficient. I'm sure there is a much more elegant way to do it geometrically but one way is to express the top half of the ellipse as a function and then calculate a general tangent line to the ellipse (using its derivative) and find a line normal to the tangent (by reciprocating the slope of the tangent line) that goes through the focus. Then find where the tangent and the normal intersect, that is the coordinates for $I$.
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– user636441
Feb 5 at 7:52
$begingroup$
Note: if you have proven it for the top half, it must be true for the bottom half as well (by symmetry)
$endgroup$
– user636441
Feb 5 at 7:52
1
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Thanks for helping! Really thanks.
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 8:18
add a comment |
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Thanks a lot. Can I have more hint for proving OI=OA, where O is the origin
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:42
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If you have an expression for the $x$ coordinate of I and the $y$ coordinate of $I$, then showing $sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = Constant = |A|$ is sufficient. I'm sure there is a much more elegant way to do it geometrically but one way is to express the top half of the ellipse as a function and then calculate a general tangent line to the ellipse (using its derivative) and find a line normal to the tangent (by reciprocating the slope of the tangent line) that goes through the focus. Then find where the tangent and the normal intersect, that is the coordinates for $I$.
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– user636441
Feb 5 at 7:52
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Note: if you have proven it for the top half, it must be true for the bottom half as well (by symmetry)
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Feb 5 at 7:52
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Thanks for helping! Really thanks.
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 8:18
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Thanks a lot. Can I have more hint for proving OI=OA, where O is the origin
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:42
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Thanks a lot. Can I have more hint for proving OI=OA, where O is the origin
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 7:42
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If you have an expression for the $x$ coordinate of I and the $y$ coordinate of $I$, then showing $sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = Constant = |A|$ is sufficient. I'm sure there is a much more elegant way to do it geometrically but one way is to express the top half of the ellipse as a function and then calculate a general tangent line to the ellipse (using its derivative) and find a line normal to the tangent (by reciprocating the slope of the tangent line) that goes through the focus. Then find where the tangent and the normal intersect, that is the coordinates for $I$.
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– user636441
Feb 5 at 7:52
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If you have an expression for the $x$ coordinate of I and the $y$ coordinate of $I$, then showing $sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = Constant = |A|$ is sufficient. I'm sure there is a much more elegant way to do it geometrically but one way is to express the top half of the ellipse as a function and then calculate a general tangent line to the ellipse (using its derivative) and find a line normal to the tangent (by reciprocating the slope of the tangent line) that goes through the focus. Then find where the tangent and the normal intersect, that is the coordinates for $I$.
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– user636441
Feb 5 at 7:52
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Note: if you have proven it for the top half, it must be true for the bottom half as well (by symmetry)
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– user636441
Feb 5 at 7:52
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Note: if you have proven it for the top half, it must be true for the bottom half as well (by symmetry)
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– user636441
Feb 5 at 7:52
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Thanks for helping! Really thanks.
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 8:18
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Thanks for helping! Really thanks.
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– user143993
Feb 5 at 8:18
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Not a strict proof, an interesting observation though.
There is a method to draw an ellipse by folding paper. See this video: Folding a Circle into an Ellipse. In case the link dies, of if you want more information, search for folding paper ellipse or so.
The method goes like this:
- Draw a circle on a piece of paper, $G$ is the center.
- Choose a point $F$ inside the circle.
- Repeat many times ($n=0,1,2,3,…$) the following:
- choose a point $J_n$ on the circle;
- fold the paper so $J_n$ meets $F$;
- unfold, denote the folding line $l_n$.
- An ellipse will appear with $F$ and $G$ as foci; each $l_n$ will be some tangent line.
In the question you're working in reverse! You have the ellipse, you have $F$ and $G$. You choose some $l$ and find corresponding $J$. All possible $J$-like points should then form a circle which I denote $mathcal{J}$; we expect $G$ to be its center.
How about $I$ and all possible $I$-like points (the set I denote $mathcal{I}$)? From the fact that $overrightarrow{FI} = frac 1 2 overrightarrow{FJ}$ we conclude $mathcal{I}$ should be a homogeneous dilation of $mathcal{J}$ with the center $F$ and the ratio $frac 1 2$. So all possible $I$-like points also form a circle. Applying the dilation to the center of the circle $mathcal{J}$ (i.e. to the point $G$) we obtain the center of the circle $mathcal{I}$. In your case it's the origin $O$.
Now consider tangent lines at $A$ and at $B$. It's easy to see these two points must belong to $mathcal{I}$. Knowing $O$ is the center of $mathcal{I}$, we conclude $AB$ is the diameter.
Your $I$ is on the circle $mathcal{I}$, the diameter is $AB$. Therefore $angle AIB = frac pi 2$.
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Not a strict proof, an interesting observation though.
There is a method to draw an ellipse by folding paper. See this video: Folding a Circle into an Ellipse. In case the link dies, of if you want more information, search for folding paper ellipse or so.
The method goes like this:
- Draw a circle on a piece of paper, $G$ is the center.
- Choose a point $F$ inside the circle.
- Repeat many times ($n=0,1,2,3,…$) the following:
- choose a point $J_n$ on the circle;
- fold the paper so $J_n$ meets $F$;
- unfold, denote the folding line $l_n$.
- An ellipse will appear with $F$ and $G$ as foci; each $l_n$ will be some tangent line.
In the question you're working in reverse! You have the ellipse, you have $F$ and $G$. You choose some $l$ and find corresponding $J$. All possible $J$-like points should then form a circle which I denote $mathcal{J}$; we expect $G$ to be its center.
How about $I$ and all possible $I$-like points (the set I denote $mathcal{I}$)? From the fact that $overrightarrow{FI} = frac 1 2 overrightarrow{FJ}$ we conclude $mathcal{I}$ should be a homogeneous dilation of $mathcal{J}$ with the center $F$ and the ratio $frac 1 2$. So all possible $I$-like points also form a circle. Applying the dilation to the center of the circle $mathcal{J}$ (i.e. to the point $G$) we obtain the center of the circle $mathcal{I}$. In your case it's the origin $O$.
Now consider tangent lines at $A$ and at $B$. It's easy to see these two points must belong to $mathcal{I}$. Knowing $O$ is the center of $mathcal{I}$, we conclude $AB$ is the diameter.
Your $I$ is on the circle $mathcal{I}$, the diameter is $AB$. Therefore $angle AIB = frac pi 2$.
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add a comment |
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Not a strict proof, an interesting observation though.
There is a method to draw an ellipse by folding paper. See this video: Folding a Circle into an Ellipse. In case the link dies, of if you want more information, search for folding paper ellipse or so.
The method goes like this:
- Draw a circle on a piece of paper, $G$ is the center.
- Choose a point $F$ inside the circle.
- Repeat many times ($n=0,1,2,3,…$) the following:
- choose a point $J_n$ on the circle;
- fold the paper so $J_n$ meets $F$;
- unfold, denote the folding line $l_n$.
- An ellipse will appear with $F$ and $G$ as foci; each $l_n$ will be some tangent line.
In the question you're working in reverse! You have the ellipse, you have $F$ and $G$. You choose some $l$ and find corresponding $J$. All possible $J$-like points should then form a circle which I denote $mathcal{J}$; we expect $G$ to be its center.
How about $I$ and all possible $I$-like points (the set I denote $mathcal{I}$)? From the fact that $overrightarrow{FI} = frac 1 2 overrightarrow{FJ}$ we conclude $mathcal{I}$ should be a homogeneous dilation of $mathcal{J}$ with the center $F$ and the ratio $frac 1 2$. So all possible $I$-like points also form a circle. Applying the dilation to the center of the circle $mathcal{J}$ (i.e. to the point $G$) we obtain the center of the circle $mathcal{I}$. In your case it's the origin $O$.
Now consider tangent lines at $A$ and at $B$. It's easy to see these two points must belong to $mathcal{I}$. Knowing $O$ is the center of $mathcal{I}$, we conclude $AB$ is the diameter.
Your $I$ is on the circle $mathcal{I}$, the diameter is $AB$. Therefore $angle AIB = frac pi 2$.
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Not a strict proof, an interesting observation though.
There is a method to draw an ellipse by folding paper. See this video: Folding a Circle into an Ellipse. In case the link dies, of if you want more information, search for folding paper ellipse or so.
The method goes like this:
- Draw a circle on a piece of paper, $G$ is the center.
- Choose a point $F$ inside the circle.
- Repeat many times ($n=0,1,2,3,…$) the following:
- choose a point $J_n$ on the circle;
- fold the paper so $J_n$ meets $F$;
- unfold, denote the folding line $l_n$.
- An ellipse will appear with $F$ and $G$ as foci; each $l_n$ will be some tangent line.
In the question you're working in reverse! You have the ellipse, you have $F$ and $G$. You choose some $l$ and find corresponding $J$. All possible $J$-like points should then form a circle which I denote $mathcal{J}$; we expect $G$ to be its center.
How about $I$ and all possible $I$-like points (the set I denote $mathcal{I}$)? From the fact that $overrightarrow{FI} = frac 1 2 overrightarrow{FJ}$ we conclude $mathcal{I}$ should be a homogeneous dilation of $mathcal{J}$ with the center $F$ and the ratio $frac 1 2$. So all possible $I$-like points also form a circle. Applying the dilation to the center of the circle $mathcal{J}$ (i.e. to the point $G$) we obtain the center of the circle $mathcal{I}$. In your case it's the origin $O$.
Now consider tangent lines at $A$ and at $B$. It's easy to see these two points must belong to $mathcal{I}$. Knowing $O$ is the center of $mathcal{I}$, we conclude $AB$ is the diameter.
Your $I$ is on the circle $mathcal{I}$, the diameter is $AB$. Therefore $angle AIB = frac pi 2$.
answered Feb 5 at 21:47
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What did you use to make the diagrams? They're unconventional and really nice!
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– YiFan
Feb 6 at 3:42
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I have the same question as YiFan. Can you make a common answer to both of us ?
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 20:54
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Besides, I have taken the liberty to modify your title which (I think) is a little less enigmatic under this form.
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– Jean Marie
Feb 6 at 21:17
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I just used UPAD app for ios, but usually use Geogebra, GSP. :-) And thanks for editing my question!
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– user143993
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