$K[X,Y]/(XY-1)$ not isomorphic to $K[T]$ [duplicate]
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Why is $K[X,Y]/(XY-1)$ not isomorphic to $K[T]?$
As a hint I should think about units. But I don't get a helpful idea.
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Why is $K[X,Y]/(XY-1)$ not isomorphic to $K[T]?$
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$K[x,y]/(xy-1) cong K[x,frac{1}{x}] $
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Why is $K[X,Y]/(XY-1)$ not isomorphic to $K[T]?$
As a hint I should think about units. But I don't get a helpful idea.
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Why is $K[X,Y]/(XY-1)$ not isomorphic to $K[T]?$
As a hint I should think about units. But I don't get a helpful idea.
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Hint: Is $T$ invertible in $K[T]$? Is $X$ invertible in $K[X,Y]/(XY-1)$? What is $XY$ equal to?
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– Michael Burr
Feb 22 '17 at 18:21
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$K[x,y]/(xy-1) cong K[x,frac{1}{x}] $
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Hint: Is $T$ invertible in $K[T]$? Is $X$ invertible in $K[X,Y]/(XY-1)$? What is $XY$ equal to?
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– Michael Burr
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$K[x,y]/(xy-1) cong K[x,frac{1}{x}] $
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Hint: Is $T$ invertible in $K[T]$? Is $X$ invertible in $K[X,Y]/(XY-1)$? What is $XY$ equal to?
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– Michael Burr
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The group units of $k[x]$ is $k^*$, the units of $k[x,y]/(xy-1)$ is $k^*times {x^nmid nin mathbb{Z}}$.
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I don't know why this answer got 4 upvotes. If $k$ is not algebraically closed, then this argument fails, that is, the groups $k^*$ and $k^*timesmathbb Z$ can be isomorphic (for instance, when $k=mathbb Q$).
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Suppose $K[x,y]/(xy-1)$ is isomorphic to $K[t]$.
Then there is a surjective homomorphism $f:K[x,y] to K[t]$ with $text{ker}(f) = (xy-1)$.
Let's assume you've previously shown that the group of units of $K[t]$ is $K^*$ (if not, you need to show this).
Since $f$ is a homomorphism, $f$ must map units to units, hence
$f(K^*) subseteq K^*$. It follows that $f(K) subseteq K$.
Let $p = f(x)$, $q = f(y)$.
Then $0 = f(xy - 1) = f(x)f(y) - f(1) = pq - 1$, hence $pq = 1$.
Thus, $p,q$ are units in $K[t]$, so $p,q in K^*$.
Let $m in K[x,y]$ be a monomial. Write $m = ax^iy^j$ where $a in K$ and $i,j$ are nonnegative integers.
Then $f(m) = f(ax^iy^j) = f(a)f(x^i)f(x^j) = f(a)f(x)^if(y)^j = f(a)p^iq^j$, hence $f(m) in K$.
Let $s in K[x,y]$.
Then $s$ is a sum of finitely many monomials, hence since $f$ maps each monomial to an element of $K$, it follows that $f(s) in K$.
Thus, $f$ maps every element of $K[x,y]$ to an element of $K$, so $f$ is not surjective, contradiction.
It follows that $K[x,y]$ is not isomorphic to $K[t]$.
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The group units of $k[x]$ is $k^*$, the units of $k[x,y]/(xy-1)$ is $k^*times {x^nmid nin mathbb{Z}}$.
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I don't know why this answer got 4 upvotes. If $k$ is not algebraically closed, then this argument fails, that is, the groups $k^*$ and $k^*timesmathbb Z$ can be isomorphic (for instance, when $k=mathbb Q$).
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The group units of $k[x]$ is $k^*$, the units of $k[x,y]/(xy-1)$ is $k^*times {x^nmid nin mathbb{Z}}$.
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I don't know why this answer got 4 upvotes. If $k$ is not algebraically closed, then this argument fails, that is, the groups $k^*$ and $k^*timesmathbb Z$ can be isomorphic (for instance, when $k=mathbb Q$).
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Dec 3 '18 at 19:49
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The group units of $k[x]$ is $k^*$, the units of $k[x,y]/(xy-1)$ is $k^*times {x^nmid nin mathbb{Z}}$.
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The group units of $k[x]$ is $k^*$, the units of $k[x,y]/(xy-1)$ is $k^*times {x^nmid nin mathbb{Z}}$.
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answered Feb 22 '17 at 18:25
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I don't know why this answer got 4 upvotes. If $k$ is not algebraically closed, then this argument fails, that is, the groups $k^*$ and $k^*timesmathbb Z$ can be isomorphic (for instance, when $k=mathbb Q$).
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I don't know why this answer got 4 upvotes. If $k$ is not algebraically closed, then this argument fails, that is, the groups $k^*$ and $k^*timesmathbb Z$ can be isomorphic (for instance, when $k=mathbb Q$).
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I don't know why this answer got 4 upvotes. If $k$ is not algebraically closed, then this argument fails, that is, the groups $k^*$ and $k^*timesmathbb Z$ can be isomorphic (for instance, when $k=mathbb Q$).
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– user26857
Dec 3 '18 at 19:49
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I don't know why this answer got 4 upvotes. If $k$ is not algebraically closed, then this argument fails, that is, the groups $k^*$ and $k^*timesmathbb Z$ can be isomorphic (for instance, when $k=mathbb Q$).
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Dec 3 '18 at 19:49
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Suppose $K[x,y]/(xy-1)$ is isomorphic to $K[t]$.
Then there is a surjective homomorphism $f:K[x,y] to K[t]$ with $text{ker}(f) = (xy-1)$.
Let's assume you've previously shown that the group of units of $K[t]$ is $K^*$ (if not, you need to show this).
Since $f$ is a homomorphism, $f$ must map units to units, hence
$f(K^*) subseteq K^*$. It follows that $f(K) subseteq K$.
Let $p = f(x)$, $q = f(y)$.
Then $0 = f(xy - 1) = f(x)f(y) - f(1) = pq - 1$, hence $pq = 1$.
Thus, $p,q$ are units in $K[t]$, so $p,q in K^*$.
Let $m in K[x,y]$ be a monomial. Write $m = ax^iy^j$ where $a in K$ and $i,j$ are nonnegative integers.
Then $f(m) = f(ax^iy^j) = f(a)f(x^i)f(x^j) = f(a)f(x)^if(y)^j = f(a)p^iq^j$, hence $f(m) in K$.
Let $s in K[x,y]$.
Then $s$ is a sum of finitely many monomials, hence since $f$ maps each monomial to an element of $K$, it follows that $f(s) in K$.
Thus, $f$ maps every element of $K[x,y]$ to an element of $K$, so $f$ is not surjective, contradiction.
It follows that $K[x,y]$ is not isomorphic to $K[t]$.
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Suppose $K[x,y]/(xy-1)$ is isomorphic to $K[t]$.
Then there is a surjective homomorphism $f:K[x,y] to K[t]$ with $text{ker}(f) = (xy-1)$.
Let's assume you've previously shown that the group of units of $K[t]$ is $K^*$ (if not, you need to show this).
Since $f$ is a homomorphism, $f$ must map units to units, hence
$f(K^*) subseteq K^*$. It follows that $f(K) subseteq K$.
Let $p = f(x)$, $q = f(y)$.
Then $0 = f(xy - 1) = f(x)f(y) - f(1) = pq - 1$, hence $pq = 1$.
Thus, $p,q$ are units in $K[t]$, so $p,q in K^*$.
Let $m in K[x,y]$ be a monomial. Write $m = ax^iy^j$ where $a in K$ and $i,j$ are nonnegative integers.
Then $f(m) = f(ax^iy^j) = f(a)f(x^i)f(x^j) = f(a)f(x)^if(y)^j = f(a)p^iq^j$, hence $f(m) in K$.
Let $s in K[x,y]$.
Then $s$ is a sum of finitely many monomials, hence since $f$ maps each monomial to an element of $K$, it follows that $f(s) in K$.
Thus, $f$ maps every element of $K[x,y]$ to an element of $K$, so $f$ is not surjective, contradiction.
It follows that $K[x,y]$ is not isomorphic to $K[t]$.
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Suppose $K[x,y]/(xy-1)$ is isomorphic to $K[t]$.
Then there is a surjective homomorphism $f:K[x,y] to K[t]$ with $text{ker}(f) = (xy-1)$.
Let's assume you've previously shown that the group of units of $K[t]$ is $K^*$ (if not, you need to show this).
Since $f$ is a homomorphism, $f$ must map units to units, hence
$f(K^*) subseteq K^*$. It follows that $f(K) subseteq K$.
Let $p = f(x)$, $q = f(y)$.
Then $0 = f(xy - 1) = f(x)f(y) - f(1) = pq - 1$, hence $pq = 1$.
Thus, $p,q$ are units in $K[t]$, so $p,q in K^*$.
Let $m in K[x,y]$ be a monomial. Write $m = ax^iy^j$ where $a in K$ and $i,j$ are nonnegative integers.
Then $f(m) = f(ax^iy^j) = f(a)f(x^i)f(x^j) = f(a)f(x)^if(y)^j = f(a)p^iq^j$, hence $f(m) in K$.
Let $s in K[x,y]$.
Then $s$ is a sum of finitely many monomials, hence since $f$ maps each monomial to an element of $K$, it follows that $f(s) in K$.
Thus, $f$ maps every element of $K[x,y]$ to an element of $K$, so $f$ is not surjective, contradiction.
It follows that $K[x,y]$ is not isomorphic to $K[t]$.
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Suppose $K[x,y]/(xy-1)$ is isomorphic to $K[t]$.
Then there is a surjective homomorphism $f:K[x,y] to K[t]$ with $text{ker}(f) = (xy-1)$.
Let's assume you've previously shown that the group of units of $K[t]$ is $K^*$ (if not, you need to show this).
Since $f$ is a homomorphism, $f$ must map units to units, hence
$f(K^*) subseteq K^*$. It follows that $f(K) subseteq K$.
Let $p = f(x)$, $q = f(y)$.
Then $0 = f(xy - 1) = f(x)f(y) - f(1) = pq - 1$, hence $pq = 1$.
Thus, $p,q$ are units in $K[t]$, so $p,q in K^*$.
Let $m in K[x,y]$ be a monomial. Write $m = ax^iy^j$ where $a in K$ and $i,j$ are nonnegative integers.
Then $f(m) = f(ax^iy^j) = f(a)f(x^i)f(x^j) = f(a)f(x)^if(y)^j = f(a)p^iq^j$, hence $f(m) in K$.
Let $s in K[x,y]$.
Then $s$ is a sum of finitely many monomials, hence since $f$ maps each monomial to an element of $K$, it follows that $f(s) in K$.
Thus, $f$ maps every element of $K[x,y]$ to an element of $K$, so $f$ is not surjective, contradiction.
It follows that $K[x,y]$ is not isomorphic to $K[t]$.
answered Feb 22 '17 at 20:31
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Hint: Is $T$ invertible in $K[T]$? Is $X$ invertible in $K[X,Y]/(XY-1)$? What is $XY$ equal to?
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– Michael Burr
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$K[x,y]/(xy-1) cong K[x,frac{1}{x}] $
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