What were the crimes of Grindelwald?
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The title of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald implies that Grindelwald is going to go on a massive killing spree or embark on some sort of major criminal endeavour.
However, if I recall correctly, he appears to spend most of the film plotting, networking and trying to capture Credence. Hardly the actions of a terrible despot. I didn't see much in Grindelwald's behaviour that would merit this description by Rita Skeeter (years later):
The name of Grindelwald is justly famous: in a list of Most Dangerous Dark Wizards of All Time, he would miss out on the top spot only because You-Know-Who arrived, a generation later, to steal his crown. As Grindelwald never extended his campaign of terror to Britain, however, the details of his rise to power are not widely known here.
(Deathly Hallows, Chapter 18, The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore).
The only things which could be considered illegal that I spotted were the murders of the Muggle family in the Paris apartment (which I don't believe Grindelwald committed himself anyway) and the banned meeting at the end.
What did Grindelwald do in this film that could be considered criminal?
Of course, he could commit other horrific acts in future films. However, I'm interested purely in events which take place in The Crimes of Grindelwald. Anything that he did which is against American, British, French or International wizarding law (or could reasonably be considered to be so) counts. Acts by henchmen do too, I suppose, but only if they were done on Grindelwald's orders.
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The title of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald implies that Grindelwald is going to go on a massive killing spree or embark on some sort of major criminal endeavour.
However, if I recall correctly, he appears to spend most of the film plotting, networking and trying to capture Credence. Hardly the actions of a terrible despot. I didn't see much in Grindelwald's behaviour that would merit this description by Rita Skeeter (years later):
The name of Grindelwald is justly famous: in a list of Most Dangerous Dark Wizards of All Time, he would miss out on the top spot only because You-Know-Who arrived, a generation later, to steal his crown. As Grindelwald never extended his campaign of terror to Britain, however, the details of his rise to power are not widely known here.
(Deathly Hallows, Chapter 18, The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore).
The only things which could be considered illegal that I spotted were the murders of the Muggle family in the Paris apartment (which I don't believe Grindelwald committed himself anyway) and the banned meeting at the end.
What did Grindelwald do in this film that could be considered criminal?
Of course, he could commit other horrific acts in future films. However, I'm interested purely in events which take place in The Crimes of Grindelwald. Anything that he did which is against American, British, French or International wizarding law (or could reasonably be considered to be so) counts. Acts by henchmen do too, I suppose, but only if they were done on Grindelwald's orders.
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Did you miss the bit at the start of the previous film where he committed mass murder?
– Valorum
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He killed a bunch of MACUSA members/international lawkeeping wizards in the opening scene of this one too.
– Kitkat
Dec 5 at 13:31
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Not to mention the fiendfyre at the end that was supposed to be unleashed on the whole of Paris.
– Annatar
Dec 5 at 13:36
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I understand the downvotes since it's pretty clear that he committed many crimes. I think a better question would have been "why is the movie called The Crimes of Grindelwald?" because I think that was your underlying motive for asking this. And to me it also seems a poor choice of title because it's not the main focus of the movie
– Ivo Beckers
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The title of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald implies that Grindelwald is going to go on a massive killing spree or embark on some sort of major criminal endeavour.
However, if I recall correctly, he appears to spend most of the film plotting, networking and trying to capture Credence. Hardly the actions of a terrible despot. I didn't see much in Grindelwald's behaviour that would merit this description by Rita Skeeter (years later):
The name of Grindelwald is justly famous: in a list of Most Dangerous Dark Wizards of All Time, he would miss out on the top spot only because You-Know-Who arrived, a generation later, to steal his crown. As Grindelwald never extended his campaign of terror to Britain, however, the details of his rise to power are not widely known here.
(Deathly Hallows, Chapter 18, The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore).
The only things which could be considered illegal that I spotted were the murders of the Muggle family in the Paris apartment (which I don't believe Grindelwald committed himself anyway) and the banned meeting at the end.
What did Grindelwald do in this film that could be considered criminal?
Of course, he could commit other horrific acts in future films. However, I'm interested purely in events which take place in The Crimes of Grindelwald. Anything that he did which is against American, British, French or International wizarding law (or could reasonably be considered to be so) counts. Acts by henchmen do too, I suppose, but only if they were done on Grindelwald's orders.
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The title of Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald implies that Grindelwald is going to go on a massive killing spree or embark on some sort of major criminal endeavour.
However, if I recall correctly, he appears to spend most of the film plotting, networking and trying to capture Credence. Hardly the actions of a terrible despot. I didn't see much in Grindelwald's behaviour that would merit this description by Rita Skeeter (years later):
The name of Grindelwald is justly famous: in a list of Most Dangerous Dark Wizards of All Time, he would miss out on the top spot only because You-Know-Who arrived, a generation later, to steal his crown. As Grindelwald never extended his campaign of terror to Britain, however, the details of his rise to power are not widely known here.
(Deathly Hallows, Chapter 18, The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore).
The only things which could be considered illegal that I spotted were the murders of the Muggle family in the Paris apartment (which I don't believe Grindelwald committed himself anyway) and the banned meeting at the end.
What did Grindelwald do in this film that could be considered criminal?
Of course, he could commit other horrific acts in future films. However, I'm interested purely in events which take place in The Crimes of Grindelwald. Anything that he did which is against American, British, French or International wizarding law (or could reasonably be considered to be so) counts. Acts by henchmen do too, I suppose, but only if they were done on Grindelwald's orders.
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Did you miss the bit at the start of the previous film where he committed mass murder?
– Valorum
Dec 5 at 13:25
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He killed a bunch of MACUSA members/international lawkeeping wizards in the opening scene of this one too.
– Kitkat
Dec 5 at 13:31
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Not to mention the fiendfyre at the end that was supposed to be unleashed on the whole of Paris.
– Annatar
Dec 5 at 13:36
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I understand the downvotes since it's pretty clear that he committed many crimes. I think a better question would have been "why is the movie called The Crimes of Grindelwald?" because I think that was your underlying motive for asking this. And to me it also seems a poor choice of title because it's not the main focus of the movie
– Ivo Beckers
Dec 5 at 13:38
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Did you miss the bit at the start of the previous film where he committed mass murder?
– Valorum
Dec 5 at 13:25
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He killed a bunch of MACUSA members/international lawkeeping wizards in the opening scene of this one too.
– Kitkat
Dec 5 at 13:31
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Not to mention the fiendfyre at the end that was supposed to be unleashed on the whole of Paris.
– Annatar
Dec 5 at 13:36
7
I understand the downvotes since it's pretty clear that he committed many crimes. I think a better question would have been "why is the movie called The Crimes of Grindelwald?" because I think that was your underlying motive for asking this. And to me it also seems a poor choice of title because it's not the main focus of the movie
– Ivo Beckers
Dec 5 at 13:38
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Did you miss the bit at the start of the previous film where he committed mass murder?
– Valorum
Dec 5 at 13:25
Did you miss the bit at the start of the previous film where he committed mass murder?
– Valorum
Dec 5 at 13:25
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He killed a bunch of MACUSA members/international lawkeeping wizards in the opening scene of this one too.
– Kitkat
Dec 5 at 13:31
He killed a bunch of MACUSA members/international lawkeeping wizards in the opening scene of this one too.
– Kitkat
Dec 5 at 13:31
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Not to mention the fiendfyre at the end that was supposed to be unleashed on the whole of Paris.
– Annatar
Dec 5 at 13:36
Not to mention the fiendfyre at the end that was supposed to be unleashed on the whole of Paris.
– Annatar
Dec 5 at 13:36
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7
I understand the downvotes since it's pretty clear that he committed many crimes. I think a better question would have been "why is the movie called The Crimes of Grindelwald?" because I think that was your underlying motive for asking this. And to me it also seems a poor choice of title because it's not the main focus of the movie
– Ivo Beckers
Dec 5 at 13:38
I understand the downvotes since it's pretty clear that he committed many crimes. I think a better question would have been "why is the movie called The Crimes of Grindelwald?" because I think that was your underlying motive for asking this. And to me it also seems a poor choice of title because it's not the main focus of the movie
– Ivo Beckers
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Crimes committed by Grindelwald (or his followers, on his orders) in The Crimes of Grindelwald:
- Breaking out of MACUSA/international custody
- Killing a bunch of MACUSA/international lawkeeping wizards in the process of the above
- Stealing the coach that they were driving with
- Illegally entering Paris as a fugitive
- Killing a French muggle family (his followers, on his orders)
- Breaking/entering and illegally taking up residence in the family's home
- Killing Credence (/Corvus)'s nurse (his follower, on his orders)
- Stealing records from the French MoM archives (his followers, on his orders)
- Covering Paris in magical black cloths (probably violates some vandalism/public safety regulations)
- Breaking into a tomb and holding a big meeting there, presumably without getting any permits
- Attacking and killing a bunch of Aurors
- Unleashing Fiendfyre on Paris
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Calling the meeting by covering the city in magical black cloth is also, presumably, a crime. Certainly it's intimidating
– Valorum
Dec 5 at 13:50
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@CalebJay: As Valorum mentions in a comment on the question, Grindelwald murders a bunch of Aurors/others right in the beginning of FBaWtFT (among other presumed crimes). I think "why exactly was he in jail" is absolutely a valid question--it's just that the scope of this one is explicitly limited to the timeframe of CoG by the OP.
– Kitkat
Dec 5 at 19:31
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@Kitkat presumably there was also some other crimes leading up to him being motivated to kill a bunch of aurors and whatnot. There would be no reason for him to just one day go and kill a bunch of aurors and it certainly wouldn't make him public enemy #1 of that time period no more than a random person taking a gun and shooting a bunch of people puts them high on the international wanted lists.
– The Great Duck
Dec 6 at 0:12
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The covering of the city probably in some large and obvious way violates the Secrecy Statute...
– Xavon_Wrentaile
Dec 6 at 1:14
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Grindelwald may well have been prohibited from entering Paris, but I recall Newt being under specific orders to not leave the UK, which is not the same thing at all. SO the parenthetic justification in item 4 seems to be a non sequitur.
– Eric Towers
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Grindelwald’s crimes:
Grindelwald committed several crimes that are probably illegal, and aren’t just things that might be considered “wrong” but aren’t truly considered crimes. Here is a list of things he’s done that other wizards have been convicted of, so are probably considered crimes by wizarding law in at least one country, and are clearly shown as being done by Grindelwald himself or directly ordered by him.
Murder of other wizards:
Murdering other wizards is certainly considered a crime by the British Ministry of Magic, since Antonin Dolohov was convicted and sentenced for it, and it almost certainly would be also a crime in other jurisdictions like America and France.
“Antonin Dolohov, read the legend beneath a wizard with a long, pale, twisted face who was sneering up at Harry, convicted of the brutal murders of Gideon and Fabian Prewett.”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 25 (The Beetle at Bay)
He kills several Aurors in his escape from MACUSA custody.
Grindelwald kills several Aurors while escaping. He knocks four of them out of his transport carriage.
GRINDELWALD points his wand at the carriage reins, turning the black ropes into living snakes that ensnare AUROR 1 so he falls from the carriage, back through the night sky, past the broomstick riders.
GRINDELWALD casts another spell so the black ropes of the reins bind AUROR 2 like a chrysalis, launching him forward in the air, then slingshotting him back to knock AURORS 3 & 4 from the rear of the Thestral-drawn carriage. They fall away into darkness.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Then he strikes down the Aurors pursuing him on broomsticks with lightning.
Still driving the carriage, GRINDELWALD swirls his wand in the air toward the surrounding storm clouds. One by one, forks of lightning strike the broomstick riders, knocking each in turn from the sky.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He also washes out two Aurors from in the carriage with water, tipping the carriage, throwing them and the water out.
GRINDELWALD appears at the door and nods to ABERNATHY. He throws the door open so the water pours out—along with the two remaining AURORS.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He succeeds in killing more Aurors with the magical fire.
He kills Aurors with the fire he used at the cemetery.
GRINDELWALD conducts the flames as though leading an orchestra, the Elder Wand his baton, as the forks of fire strike at AURORS attempting to Disapparate or flee.
He ordered Grimmson to kill Irma Dugard.
Grindelwald ordered Grimmson, who was working for him, to kill Irma Dugard.
Fresh from IRMA’S murder, GRIMMSON stands in a covered alleyway beneath a bridge over the Seine. GRINDELWALD appears.
GRIMMSON
She’s dead.
GRINDELWALD walks toward him and halts when they are face-to-face.
GRINDELWALD
How did the boy take it?
Attacking Ministry officials:
Attacking Ministry officials is a crime in Britain, and likely elsewhere as well.
“Marvolo, who had injured several Ministry employees in addition to Ogden, received six months.”
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 10 (The House of Gaunt)
He attempts to use fire against the Aurors.
Grindelwald attacking the Aurors with fire would be a crime in itself, whether or not he succeeds.
GRINDELWALD sends a wall of flames into the air, pursuing fleeing AURORS.
GRINDELWALD
Play by the rules! No cheating, children.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Killing Muggles:
Killing Muggles is a crime in Britain, and likely would be in other countries.
“So the Ministry called upon Morfin. They did not need to question him, to use Veritaserum or Legilimency. He admitted to the murder on the spot, giving details only the murderer could know. He was proud, he said, to have killed the Muggles, had been awaiting his chance all these years. He handed over his wand, which was proved at once to have been used to kill the Riddles. And he permitted himself to be led off to Azkaban without a fight.”
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 17 (A Sluggish Memory)
He ordered his acolytes to kill the Muggles in the house he wanted.
Grindelwald orders his acolytes to kill the Muggles living in the house he wanted to use for his hideout in Paris.
GRINDELWALD and ACOLYTES stand in the street. GRINDELWALD points his cane at a particularly fine house. A clatter announces the arrival of a horse-drawn hearse.
NAGEL, KRALL, CARROW, ABERNATHY, KRAFFT, ROSIER (female), and MACDUFF approach the front door. KRALL opens it with his wand. The ACOLYTES enter.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He clearly expected the Muggles to be killed, he waits outside until he sees the coffins come out.
GRINDELWALD looks around the street, calm, waiting, tapping on the pavement with his cane.
We see a green flash—the Killing Curse. The door reopens. Two black coffins exit. GRINDELWALD watches as NAGEL and KRAFFT load the coffins onto the carriage.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Trespass and robbery:
Trespassing into the British Ministry was considered a crime, it’s likely it’s also a crime to trespass into the French one and rob it, especially considering the Matagots guarding it.
“Sturgis Podmore, 38, of number two, Laburnum Gardens, Clapham, has appeared in front of the Wizengamot charged with trespass and attempted robbery at the Ministry of Magic on 31st August. Podmore was arrested by Ministry of Magic watchwizard Eric Munch, who found him attempting to force his way through a top-security door at one o’clock in the morning. Podmore, who refused to speak in his own defence, was convicted on both charges and sentenced to six months in Azkaban.”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 14 (Percy and Padfoot)
He had his acolytes steal the Lestrange family tree from the French Ministry.
Though it’s never explicitly stated, it’s almost certain that Grindelwald’s acolytes broke into the French Ministry to steal the records on his orders, since stealing the Lestrange family tree fits into his plan to lure Credence to him.
As the RECEPTIONIST gives a Gallic shrug, a genteel ELDERLY LADY crosses into the shot behind QUEENIE. She has a distinctive bag in her hands—we follow her into the elevator—where ROSIER stands waiting. As the doors close, the ELDERLY LADY transforms into ABERNATHY and he pulls out an elaborate box . . .
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
They later plant it in the mausoleum in furtherance of Grindelwald’s plan to lure Credence.
ABERNATHY and MACDUFF enter carrying the bag retrieved from the French Ministry and remove the elaborate box, which they plant in the mausoleum to be found.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
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I would assume that covering an entire city in magical black cloth is some sort of crime. Intimidation, perhaps?
– Valorum
Dec 6 at 22:48
@Valorum it's debatable since it was intended as a call to a meeting to discuss whether or not muggles and wizards should mix and if there was a danger with the current situation (which according to him was the case and based on the visions is in fact true). Barring minor issues of legality of posting notices of a meeting everywhere there's nothing illegal about the meeting itself since it is generally legal to discuss potential desires to protest a law or discuss its relevance. The only thing illegal about it was that a fugitive was the main speaker.
– The Great Duck
Dec 7 at 0:50
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Upvoting yours over the other answer. Yours shows research. The other is just a list.
– LincolnMan
Dec 7 at 6:29
@Valorum I’ve been trying really hard to figure that one out!
– Bellatrix
Dec 8 at 1:55
@LincolnMan Thanks a lot, it’s nice that my research is appreciated! :)
– Bellatrix
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Crimes committed by Grindelwald (or his followers, on his orders) in The Crimes of Grindelwald:
- Breaking out of MACUSA/international custody
- Killing a bunch of MACUSA/international lawkeeping wizards in the process of the above
- Stealing the coach that they were driving with
- Illegally entering Paris as a fugitive
- Killing a French muggle family (his followers, on his orders)
- Breaking/entering and illegally taking up residence in the family's home
- Killing Credence (/Corvus)'s nurse (his follower, on his orders)
- Stealing records from the French MoM archives (his followers, on his orders)
- Covering Paris in magical black cloths (probably violates some vandalism/public safety regulations)
- Breaking into a tomb and holding a big meeting there, presumably without getting any permits
- Attacking and killing a bunch of Aurors
- Unleashing Fiendfyre on Paris
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Calling the meeting by covering the city in magical black cloth is also, presumably, a crime. Certainly it's intimidating
– Valorum
Dec 5 at 13:50
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@CalebJay: As Valorum mentions in a comment on the question, Grindelwald murders a bunch of Aurors/others right in the beginning of FBaWtFT (among other presumed crimes). I think "why exactly was he in jail" is absolutely a valid question--it's just that the scope of this one is explicitly limited to the timeframe of CoG by the OP.
– Kitkat
Dec 5 at 19:31
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@Kitkat presumably there was also some other crimes leading up to him being motivated to kill a bunch of aurors and whatnot. There would be no reason for him to just one day go and kill a bunch of aurors and it certainly wouldn't make him public enemy #1 of that time period no more than a random person taking a gun and shooting a bunch of people puts them high on the international wanted lists.
– The Great Duck
Dec 6 at 0:12
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The covering of the city probably in some large and obvious way violates the Secrecy Statute...
– Xavon_Wrentaile
Dec 6 at 1:14
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Grindelwald may well have been prohibited from entering Paris, but I recall Newt being under specific orders to not leave the UK, which is not the same thing at all. SO the parenthetic justification in item 4 seems to be a non sequitur.
– Eric Towers
Dec 6 at 2:40
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Crimes committed by Grindelwald (or his followers, on his orders) in The Crimes of Grindelwald:
- Breaking out of MACUSA/international custody
- Killing a bunch of MACUSA/international lawkeeping wizards in the process of the above
- Stealing the coach that they were driving with
- Illegally entering Paris as a fugitive
- Killing a French muggle family (his followers, on his orders)
- Breaking/entering and illegally taking up residence in the family's home
- Killing Credence (/Corvus)'s nurse (his follower, on his orders)
- Stealing records from the French MoM archives (his followers, on his orders)
- Covering Paris in magical black cloths (probably violates some vandalism/public safety regulations)
- Breaking into a tomb and holding a big meeting there, presumably without getting any permits
- Attacking and killing a bunch of Aurors
- Unleashing Fiendfyre on Paris
5
Calling the meeting by covering the city in magical black cloth is also, presumably, a crime. Certainly it's intimidating
– Valorum
Dec 5 at 13:50
5
@CalebJay: As Valorum mentions in a comment on the question, Grindelwald murders a bunch of Aurors/others right in the beginning of FBaWtFT (among other presumed crimes). I think "why exactly was he in jail" is absolutely a valid question--it's just that the scope of this one is explicitly limited to the timeframe of CoG by the OP.
– Kitkat
Dec 5 at 19:31
1
@Kitkat presumably there was also some other crimes leading up to him being motivated to kill a bunch of aurors and whatnot. There would be no reason for him to just one day go and kill a bunch of aurors and it certainly wouldn't make him public enemy #1 of that time period no more than a random person taking a gun and shooting a bunch of people puts them high on the international wanted lists.
– The Great Duck
Dec 6 at 0:12
3
The covering of the city probably in some large and obvious way violates the Secrecy Statute...
– Xavon_Wrentaile
Dec 6 at 1:14
1
Grindelwald may well have been prohibited from entering Paris, but I recall Newt being under specific orders to not leave the UK, which is not the same thing at all. SO the parenthetic justification in item 4 seems to be a non sequitur.
– Eric Towers
Dec 6 at 2:40
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Crimes committed by Grindelwald (or his followers, on his orders) in The Crimes of Grindelwald:
- Breaking out of MACUSA/international custody
- Killing a bunch of MACUSA/international lawkeeping wizards in the process of the above
- Stealing the coach that they were driving with
- Illegally entering Paris as a fugitive
- Killing a French muggle family (his followers, on his orders)
- Breaking/entering and illegally taking up residence in the family's home
- Killing Credence (/Corvus)'s nurse (his follower, on his orders)
- Stealing records from the French MoM archives (his followers, on his orders)
- Covering Paris in magical black cloths (probably violates some vandalism/public safety regulations)
- Breaking into a tomb and holding a big meeting there, presumably without getting any permits
- Attacking and killing a bunch of Aurors
- Unleashing Fiendfyre on Paris
Crimes committed by Grindelwald (or his followers, on his orders) in The Crimes of Grindelwald:
- Breaking out of MACUSA/international custody
- Killing a bunch of MACUSA/international lawkeeping wizards in the process of the above
- Stealing the coach that they were driving with
- Illegally entering Paris as a fugitive
- Killing a French muggle family (his followers, on his orders)
- Breaking/entering and illegally taking up residence in the family's home
- Killing Credence (/Corvus)'s nurse (his follower, on his orders)
- Stealing records from the French MoM archives (his followers, on his orders)
- Covering Paris in magical black cloths (probably violates some vandalism/public safety regulations)
- Breaking into a tomb and holding a big meeting there, presumably without getting any permits
- Attacking and killing a bunch of Aurors
- Unleashing Fiendfyre on Paris
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Calling the meeting by covering the city in magical black cloth is also, presumably, a crime. Certainly it's intimidating
– Valorum
Dec 5 at 13:50
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@CalebJay: As Valorum mentions in a comment on the question, Grindelwald murders a bunch of Aurors/others right in the beginning of FBaWtFT (among other presumed crimes). I think "why exactly was he in jail" is absolutely a valid question--it's just that the scope of this one is explicitly limited to the timeframe of CoG by the OP.
– Kitkat
Dec 5 at 19:31
1
@Kitkat presumably there was also some other crimes leading up to him being motivated to kill a bunch of aurors and whatnot. There would be no reason for him to just one day go and kill a bunch of aurors and it certainly wouldn't make him public enemy #1 of that time period no more than a random person taking a gun and shooting a bunch of people puts them high on the international wanted lists.
– The Great Duck
Dec 6 at 0:12
3
The covering of the city probably in some large and obvious way violates the Secrecy Statute...
– Xavon_Wrentaile
Dec 6 at 1:14
1
Grindelwald may well have been prohibited from entering Paris, but I recall Newt being under specific orders to not leave the UK, which is not the same thing at all. SO the parenthetic justification in item 4 seems to be a non sequitur.
– Eric Towers
Dec 6 at 2:40
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Calling the meeting by covering the city in magical black cloth is also, presumably, a crime. Certainly it's intimidating
– Valorum
Dec 5 at 13:50
5
@CalebJay: As Valorum mentions in a comment on the question, Grindelwald murders a bunch of Aurors/others right in the beginning of FBaWtFT (among other presumed crimes). I think "why exactly was he in jail" is absolutely a valid question--it's just that the scope of this one is explicitly limited to the timeframe of CoG by the OP.
– Kitkat
Dec 5 at 19:31
1
@Kitkat presumably there was also some other crimes leading up to him being motivated to kill a bunch of aurors and whatnot. There would be no reason for him to just one day go and kill a bunch of aurors and it certainly wouldn't make him public enemy #1 of that time period no more than a random person taking a gun and shooting a bunch of people puts them high on the international wanted lists.
– The Great Duck
Dec 6 at 0:12
3
The covering of the city probably in some large and obvious way violates the Secrecy Statute...
– Xavon_Wrentaile
Dec 6 at 1:14
1
Grindelwald may well have been prohibited from entering Paris, but I recall Newt being under specific orders to not leave the UK, which is not the same thing at all. SO the parenthetic justification in item 4 seems to be a non sequitur.
– Eric Towers
Dec 6 at 2:40
5
5
Calling the meeting by covering the city in magical black cloth is also, presumably, a crime. Certainly it's intimidating
– Valorum
Dec 5 at 13:50
Calling the meeting by covering the city in magical black cloth is also, presumably, a crime. Certainly it's intimidating
– Valorum
Dec 5 at 13:50
5
5
@CalebJay: As Valorum mentions in a comment on the question, Grindelwald murders a bunch of Aurors/others right in the beginning of FBaWtFT (among other presumed crimes). I think "why exactly was he in jail" is absolutely a valid question--it's just that the scope of this one is explicitly limited to the timeframe of CoG by the OP.
– Kitkat
Dec 5 at 19:31
@CalebJay: As Valorum mentions in a comment on the question, Grindelwald murders a bunch of Aurors/others right in the beginning of FBaWtFT (among other presumed crimes). I think "why exactly was he in jail" is absolutely a valid question--it's just that the scope of this one is explicitly limited to the timeframe of CoG by the OP.
– Kitkat
Dec 5 at 19:31
1
1
@Kitkat presumably there was also some other crimes leading up to him being motivated to kill a bunch of aurors and whatnot. There would be no reason for him to just one day go and kill a bunch of aurors and it certainly wouldn't make him public enemy #1 of that time period no more than a random person taking a gun and shooting a bunch of people puts them high on the international wanted lists.
– The Great Duck
Dec 6 at 0:12
@Kitkat presumably there was also some other crimes leading up to him being motivated to kill a bunch of aurors and whatnot. There would be no reason for him to just one day go and kill a bunch of aurors and it certainly wouldn't make him public enemy #1 of that time period no more than a random person taking a gun and shooting a bunch of people puts them high on the international wanted lists.
– The Great Duck
Dec 6 at 0:12
3
3
The covering of the city probably in some large and obvious way violates the Secrecy Statute...
– Xavon_Wrentaile
Dec 6 at 1:14
The covering of the city probably in some large and obvious way violates the Secrecy Statute...
– Xavon_Wrentaile
Dec 6 at 1:14
1
1
Grindelwald may well have been prohibited from entering Paris, but I recall Newt being under specific orders to not leave the UK, which is not the same thing at all. SO the parenthetic justification in item 4 seems to be a non sequitur.
– Eric Towers
Dec 6 at 2:40
Grindelwald may well have been prohibited from entering Paris, but I recall Newt being under specific orders to not leave the UK, which is not the same thing at all. SO the parenthetic justification in item 4 seems to be a non sequitur.
– Eric Towers
Dec 6 at 2:40
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Grindelwald’s crimes:
Grindelwald committed several crimes that are probably illegal, and aren’t just things that might be considered “wrong” but aren’t truly considered crimes. Here is a list of things he’s done that other wizards have been convicted of, so are probably considered crimes by wizarding law in at least one country, and are clearly shown as being done by Grindelwald himself or directly ordered by him.
Murder of other wizards:
Murdering other wizards is certainly considered a crime by the British Ministry of Magic, since Antonin Dolohov was convicted and sentenced for it, and it almost certainly would be also a crime in other jurisdictions like America and France.
“Antonin Dolohov, read the legend beneath a wizard with a long, pale, twisted face who was sneering up at Harry, convicted of the brutal murders of Gideon and Fabian Prewett.”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 25 (The Beetle at Bay)
He kills several Aurors in his escape from MACUSA custody.
Grindelwald kills several Aurors while escaping. He knocks four of them out of his transport carriage.
GRINDELWALD points his wand at the carriage reins, turning the black ropes into living snakes that ensnare AUROR 1 so he falls from the carriage, back through the night sky, past the broomstick riders.
GRINDELWALD casts another spell so the black ropes of the reins bind AUROR 2 like a chrysalis, launching him forward in the air, then slingshotting him back to knock AURORS 3 & 4 from the rear of the Thestral-drawn carriage. They fall away into darkness.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Then he strikes down the Aurors pursuing him on broomsticks with lightning.
Still driving the carriage, GRINDELWALD swirls his wand in the air toward the surrounding storm clouds. One by one, forks of lightning strike the broomstick riders, knocking each in turn from the sky.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He also washes out two Aurors from in the carriage with water, tipping the carriage, throwing them and the water out.
GRINDELWALD appears at the door and nods to ABERNATHY. He throws the door open so the water pours out—along with the two remaining AURORS.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He succeeds in killing more Aurors with the magical fire.
He kills Aurors with the fire he used at the cemetery.
GRINDELWALD conducts the flames as though leading an orchestra, the Elder Wand his baton, as the forks of fire strike at AURORS attempting to Disapparate or flee.
He ordered Grimmson to kill Irma Dugard.
Grindelwald ordered Grimmson, who was working for him, to kill Irma Dugard.
Fresh from IRMA’S murder, GRIMMSON stands in a covered alleyway beneath a bridge over the Seine. GRINDELWALD appears.
GRIMMSON
She’s dead.
GRINDELWALD walks toward him and halts when they are face-to-face.
GRINDELWALD
How did the boy take it?
Attacking Ministry officials:
Attacking Ministry officials is a crime in Britain, and likely elsewhere as well.
“Marvolo, who had injured several Ministry employees in addition to Ogden, received six months.”
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 10 (The House of Gaunt)
He attempts to use fire against the Aurors.
Grindelwald attacking the Aurors with fire would be a crime in itself, whether or not he succeeds.
GRINDELWALD sends a wall of flames into the air, pursuing fleeing AURORS.
GRINDELWALD
Play by the rules! No cheating, children.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Killing Muggles:
Killing Muggles is a crime in Britain, and likely would be in other countries.
“So the Ministry called upon Morfin. They did not need to question him, to use Veritaserum or Legilimency. He admitted to the murder on the spot, giving details only the murderer could know. He was proud, he said, to have killed the Muggles, had been awaiting his chance all these years. He handed over his wand, which was proved at once to have been used to kill the Riddles. And he permitted himself to be led off to Azkaban without a fight.”
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 17 (A Sluggish Memory)
He ordered his acolytes to kill the Muggles in the house he wanted.
Grindelwald orders his acolytes to kill the Muggles living in the house he wanted to use for his hideout in Paris.
GRINDELWALD and ACOLYTES stand in the street. GRINDELWALD points his cane at a particularly fine house. A clatter announces the arrival of a horse-drawn hearse.
NAGEL, KRALL, CARROW, ABERNATHY, KRAFFT, ROSIER (female), and MACDUFF approach the front door. KRALL opens it with his wand. The ACOLYTES enter.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He clearly expected the Muggles to be killed, he waits outside until he sees the coffins come out.
GRINDELWALD looks around the street, calm, waiting, tapping on the pavement with his cane.
We see a green flash—the Killing Curse. The door reopens. Two black coffins exit. GRINDELWALD watches as NAGEL and KRAFFT load the coffins onto the carriage.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Trespass and robbery:
Trespassing into the British Ministry was considered a crime, it’s likely it’s also a crime to trespass into the French one and rob it, especially considering the Matagots guarding it.
“Sturgis Podmore, 38, of number two, Laburnum Gardens, Clapham, has appeared in front of the Wizengamot charged with trespass and attempted robbery at the Ministry of Magic on 31st August. Podmore was arrested by Ministry of Magic watchwizard Eric Munch, who found him attempting to force his way through a top-security door at one o’clock in the morning. Podmore, who refused to speak in his own defence, was convicted on both charges and sentenced to six months in Azkaban.”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 14 (Percy and Padfoot)
He had his acolytes steal the Lestrange family tree from the French Ministry.
Though it’s never explicitly stated, it’s almost certain that Grindelwald’s acolytes broke into the French Ministry to steal the records on his orders, since stealing the Lestrange family tree fits into his plan to lure Credence to him.
As the RECEPTIONIST gives a Gallic shrug, a genteel ELDERLY LADY crosses into the shot behind QUEENIE. She has a distinctive bag in her hands—we follow her into the elevator—where ROSIER stands waiting. As the doors close, the ELDERLY LADY transforms into ABERNATHY and he pulls out an elaborate box . . .
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
They later plant it in the mausoleum in furtherance of Grindelwald’s plan to lure Credence.
ABERNATHY and MACDUFF enter carrying the bag retrieved from the French Ministry and remove the elaborate box, which they plant in the mausoleum to be found.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
2
I would assume that covering an entire city in magical black cloth is some sort of crime. Intimidation, perhaps?
– Valorum
Dec 6 at 22:48
@Valorum it's debatable since it was intended as a call to a meeting to discuss whether or not muggles and wizards should mix and if there was a danger with the current situation (which according to him was the case and based on the visions is in fact true). Barring minor issues of legality of posting notices of a meeting everywhere there's nothing illegal about the meeting itself since it is generally legal to discuss potential desires to protest a law or discuss its relevance. The only thing illegal about it was that a fugitive was the main speaker.
– The Great Duck
Dec 7 at 0:50
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Upvoting yours over the other answer. Yours shows research. The other is just a list.
– LincolnMan
Dec 7 at 6:29
@Valorum I’ve been trying really hard to figure that one out!
– Bellatrix
Dec 8 at 1:55
@LincolnMan Thanks a lot, it’s nice that my research is appreciated! :)
– Bellatrix
Dec 8 at 1:56
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Grindelwald’s crimes:
Grindelwald committed several crimes that are probably illegal, and aren’t just things that might be considered “wrong” but aren’t truly considered crimes. Here is a list of things he’s done that other wizards have been convicted of, so are probably considered crimes by wizarding law in at least one country, and are clearly shown as being done by Grindelwald himself or directly ordered by him.
Murder of other wizards:
Murdering other wizards is certainly considered a crime by the British Ministry of Magic, since Antonin Dolohov was convicted and sentenced for it, and it almost certainly would be also a crime in other jurisdictions like America and France.
“Antonin Dolohov, read the legend beneath a wizard with a long, pale, twisted face who was sneering up at Harry, convicted of the brutal murders of Gideon and Fabian Prewett.”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 25 (The Beetle at Bay)
He kills several Aurors in his escape from MACUSA custody.
Grindelwald kills several Aurors while escaping. He knocks four of them out of his transport carriage.
GRINDELWALD points his wand at the carriage reins, turning the black ropes into living snakes that ensnare AUROR 1 so he falls from the carriage, back through the night sky, past the broomstick riders.
GRINDELWALD casts another spell so the black ropes of the reins bind AUROR 2 like a chrysalis, launching him forward in the air, then slingshotting him back to knock AURORS 3 & 4 from the rear of the Thestral-drawn carriage. They fall away into darkness.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Then he strikes down the Aurors pursuing him on broomsticks with lightning.
Still driving the carriage, GRINDELWALD swirls his wand in the air toward the surrounding storm clouds. One by one, forks of lightning strike the broomstick riders, knocking each in turn from the sky.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He also washes out two Aurors from in the carriage with water, tipping the carriage, throwing them and the water out.
GRINDELWALD appears at the door and nods to ABERNATHY. He throws the door open so the water pours out—along with the two remaining AURORS.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He succeeds in killing more Aurors with the magical fire.
He kills Aurors with the fire he used at the cemetery.
GRINDELWALD conducts the flames as though leading an orchestra, the Elder Wand his baton, as the forks of fire strike at AURORS attempting to Disapparate or flee.
He ordered Grimmson to kill Irma Dugard.
Grindelwald ordered Grimmson, who was working for him, to kill Irma Dugard.
Fresh from IRMA’S murder, GRIMMSON stands in a covered alleyway beneath a bridge over the Seine. GRINDELWALD appears.
GRIMMSON
She’s dead.
GRINDELWALD walks toward him and halts when they are face-to-face.
GRINDELWALD
How did the boy take it?
Attacking Ministry officials:
Attacking Ministry officials is a crime in Britain, and likely elsewhere as well.
“Marvolo, who had injured several Ministry employees in addition to Ogden, received six months.”
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 10 (The House of Gaunt)
He attempts to use fire against the Aurors.
Grindelwald attacking the Aurors with fire would be a crime in itself, whether or not he succeeds.
GRINDELWALD sends a wall of flames into the air, pursuing fleeing AURORS.
GRINDELWALD
Play by the rules! No cheating, children.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Killing Muggles:
Killing Muggles is a crime in Britain, and likely would be in other countries.
“So the Ministry called upon Morfin. They did not need to question him, to use Veritaserum or Legilimency. He admitted to the murder on the spot, giving details only the murderer could know. He was proud, he said, to have killed the Muggles, had been awaiting his chance all these years. He handed over his wand, which was proved at once to have been used to kill the Riddles. And he permitted himself to be led off to Azkaban without a fight.”
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 17 (A Sluggish Memory)
He ordered his acolytes to kill the Muggles in the house he wanted.
Grindelwald orders his acolytes to kill the Muggles living in the house he wanted to use for his hideout in Paris.
GRINDELWALD and ACOLYTES stand in the street. GRINDELWALD points his cane at a particularly fine house. A clatter announces the arrival of a horse-drawn hearse.
NAGEL, KRALL, CARROW, ABERNATHY, KRAFFT, ROSIER (female), and MACDUFF approach the front door. KRALL opens it with his wand. The ACOLYTES enter.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He clearly expected the Muggles to be killed, he waits outside until he sees the coffins come out.
GRINDELWALD looks around the street, calm, waiting, tapping on the pavement with his cane.
We see a green flash—the Killing Curse. The door reopens. Two black coffins exit. GRINDELWALD watches as NAGEL and KRAFFT load the coffins onto the carriage.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Trespass and robbery:
Trespassing into the British Ministry was considered a crime, it’s likely it’s also a crime to trespass into the French one and rob it, especially considering the Matagots guarding it.
“Sturgis Podmore, 38, of number two, Laburnum Gardens, Clapham, has appeared in front of the Wizengamot charged with trespass and attempted robbery at the Ministry of Magic on 31st August. Podmore was arrested by Ministry of Magic watchwizard Eric Munch, who found him attempting to force his way through a top-security door at one o’clock in the morning. Podmore, who refused to speak in his own defence, was convicted on both charges and sentenced to six months in Azkaban.”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 14 (Percy and Padfoot)
He had his acolytes steal the Lestrange family tree from the French Ministry.
Though it’s never explicitly stated, it’s almost certain that Grindelwald’s acolytes broke into the French Ministry to steal the records on his orders, since stealing the Lestrange family tree fits into his plan to lure Credence to him.
As the RECEPTIONIST gives a Gallic shrug, a genteel ELDERLY LADY crosses into the shot behind QUEENIE. She has a distinctive bag in her hands—we follow her into the elevator—where ROSIER stands waiting. As the doors close, the ELDERLY LADY transforms into ABERNATHY and he pulls out an elaborate box . . .
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
They later plant it in the mausoleum in furtherance of Grindelwald’s plan to lure Credence.
ABERNATHY and MACDUFF enter carrying the bag retrieved from the French Ministry and remove the elaborate box, which they plant in the mausoleum to be found.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
2
I would assume that covering an entire city in magical black cloth is some sort of crime. Intimidation, perhaps?
– Valorum
Dec 6 at 22:48
@Valorum it's debatable since it was intended as a call to a meeting to discuss whether or not muggles and wizards should mix and if there was a danger with the current situation (which according to him was the case and based on the visions is in fact true). Barring minor issues of legality of posting notices of a meeting everywhere there's nothing illegal about the meeting itself since it is generally legal to discuss potential desires to protest a law or discuss its relevance. The only thing illegal about it was that a fugitive was the main speaker.
– The Great Duck
Dec 7 at 0:50
2
Upvoting yours over the other answer. Yours shows research. The other is just a list.
– LincolnMan
Dec 7 at 6:29
@Valorum I’ve been trying really hard to figure that one out!
– Bellatrix
Dec 8 at 1:55
@LincolnMan Thanks a lot, it’s nice that my research is appreciated! :)
– Bellatrix
Dec 8 at 1:56
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up vote
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Grindelwald’s crimes:
Grindelwald committed several crimes that are probably illegal, and aren’t just things that might be considered “wrong” but aren’t truly considered crimes. Here is a list of things he’s done that other wizards have been convicted of, so are probably considered crimes by wizarding law in at least one country, and are clearly shown as being done by Grindelwald himself or directly ordered by him.
Murder of other wizards:
Murdering other wizards is certainly considered a crime by the British Ministry of Magic, since Antonin Dolohov was convicted and sentenced for it, and it almost certainly would be also a crime in other jurisdictions like America and France.
“Antonin Dolohov, read the legend beneath a wizard with a long, pale, twisted face who was sneering up at Harry, convicted of the brutal murders of Gideon and Fabian Prewett.”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 25 (The Beetle at Bay)
He kills several Aurors in his escape from MACUSA custody.
Grindelwald kills several Aurors while escaping. He knocks four of them out of his transport carriage.
GRINDELWALD points his wand at the carriage reins, turning the black ropes into living snakes that ensnare AUROR 1 so he falls from the carriage, back through the night sky, past the broomstick riders.
GRINDELWALD casts another spell so the black ropes of the reins bind AUROR 2 like a chrysalis, launching him forward in the air, then slingshotting him back to knock AURORS 3 & 4 from the rear of the Thestral-drawn carriage. They fall away into darkness.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Then he strikes down the Aurors pursuing him on broomsticks with lightning.
Still driving the carriage, GRINDELWALD swirls his wand in the air toward the surrounding storm clouds. One by one, forks of lightning strike the broomstick riders, knocking each in turn from the sky.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He also washes out two Aurors from in the carriage with water, tipping the carriage, throwing them and the water out.
GRINDELWALD appears at the door and nods to ABERNATHY. He throws the door open so the water pours out—along with the two remaining AURORS.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He succeeds in killing more Aurors with the magical fire.
He kills Aurors with the fire he used at the cemetery.
GRINDELWALD conducts the flames as though leading an orchestra, the Elder Wand his baton, as the forks of fire strike at AURORS attempting to Disapparate or flee.
He ordered Grimmson to kill Irma Dugard.
Grindelwald ordered Grimmson, who was working for him, to kill Irma Dugard.
Fresh from IRMA’S murder, GRIMMSON stands in a covered alleyway beneath a bridge over the Seine. GRINDELWALD appears.
GRIMMSON
She’s dead.
GRINDELWALD walks toward him and halts when they are face-to-face.
GRINDELWALD
How did the boy take it?
Attacking Ministry officials:
Attacking Ministry officials is a crime in Britain, and likely elsewhere as well.
“Marvolo, who had injured several Ministry employees in addition to Ogden, received six months.”
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 10 (The House of Gaunt)
He attempts to use fire against the Aurors.
Grindelwald attacking the Aurors with fire would be a crime in itself, whether or not he succeeds.
GRINDELWALD sends a wall of flames into the air, pursuing fleeing AURORS.
GRINDELWALD
Play by the rules! No cheating, children.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Killing Muggles:
Killing Muggles is a crime in Britain, and likely would be in other countries.
“So the Ministry called upon Morfin. They did not need to question him, to use Veritaserum or Legilimency. He admitted to the murder on the spot, giving details only the murderer could know. He was proud, he said, to have killed the Muggles, had been awaiting his chance all these years. He handed over his wand, which was proved at once to have been used to kill the Riddles. And he permitted himself to be led off to Azkaban without a fight.”
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 17 (A Sluggish Memory)
He ordered his acolytes to kill the Muggles in the house he wanted.
Grindelwald orders his acolytes to kill the Muggles living in the house he wanted to use for his hideout in Paris.
GRINDELWALD and ACOLYTES stand in the street. GRINDELWALD points his cane at a particularly fine house. A clatter announces the arrival of a horse-drawn hearse.
NAGEL, KRALL, CARROW, ABERNATHY, KRAFFT, ROSIER (female), and MACDUFF approach the front door. KRALL opens it with his wand. The ACOLYTES enter.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He clearly expected the Muggles to be killed, he waits outside until he sees the coffins come out.
GRINDELWALD looks around the street, calm, waiting, tapping on the pavement with his cane.
We see a green flash—the Killing Curse. The door reopens. Two black coffins exit. GRINDELWALD watches as NAGEL and KRAFFT load the coffins onto the carriage.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Trespass and robbery:
Trespassing into the British Ministry was considered a crime, it’s likely it’s also a crime to trespass into the French one and rob it, especially considering the Matagots guarding it.
“Sturgis Podmore, 38, of number two, Laburnum Gardens, Clapham, has appeared in front of the Wizengamot charged with trespass and attempted robbery at the Ministry of Magic on 31st August. Podmore was arrested by Ministry of Magic watchwizard Eric Munch, who found him attempting to force his way through a top-security door at one o’clock in the morning. Podmore, who refused to speak in his own defence, was convicted on both charges and sentenced to six months in Azkaban.”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 14 (Percy and Padfoot)
He had his acolytes steal the Lestrange family tree from the French Ministry.
Though it’s never explicitly stated, it’s almost certain that Grindelwald’s acolytes broke into the French Ministry to steal the records on his orders, since stealing the Lestrange family tree fits into his plan to lure Credence to him.
As the RECEPTIONIST gives a Gallic shrug, a genteel ELDERLY LADY crosses into the shot behind QUEENIE. She has a distinctive bag in her hands—we follow her into the elevator—where ROSIER stands waiting. As the doors close, the ELDERLY LADY transforms into ABERNATHY and he pulls out an elaborate box . . .
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
They later plant it in the mausoleum in furtherance of Grindelwald’s plan to lure Credence.
ABERNATHY and MACDUFF enter carrying the bag retrieved from the French Ministry and remove the elaborate box, which they plant in the mausoleum to be found.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Grindelwald’s crimes:
Grindelwald committed several crimes that are probably illegal, and aren’t just things that might be considered “wrong” but aren’t truly considered crimes. Here is a list of things he’s done that other wizards have been convicted of, so are probably considered crimes by wizarding law in at least one country, and are clearly shown as being done by Grindelwald himself or directly ordered by him.
Murder of other wizards:
Murdering other wizards is certainly considered a crime by the British Ministry of Magic, since Antonin Dolohov was convicted and sentenced for it, and it almost certainly would be also a crime in other jurisdictions like America and France.
“Antonin Dolohov, read the legend beneath a wizard with a long, pale, twisted face who was sneering up at Harry, convicted of the brutal murders of Gideon and Fabian Prewett.”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 25 (The Beetle at Bay)
He kills several Aurors in his escape from MACUSA custody.
Grindelwald kills several Aurors while escaping. He knocks four of them out of his transport carriage.
GRINDELWALD points his wand at the carriage reins, turning the black ropes into living snakes that ensnare AUROR 1 so he falls from the carriage, back through the night sky, past the broomstick riders.
GRINDELWALD casts another spell so the black ropes of the reins bind AUROR 2 like a chrysalis, launching him forward in the air, then slingshotting him back to knock AURORS 3 & 4 from the rear of the Thestral-drawn carriage. They fall away into darkness.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Then he strikes down the Aurors pursuing him on broomsticks with lightning.
Still driving the carriage, GRINDELWALD swirls his wand in the air toward the surrounding storm clouds. One by one, forks of lightning strike the broomstick riders, knocking each in turn from the sky.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He also washes out two Aurors from in the carriage with water, tipping the carriage, throwing them and the water out.
GRINDELWALD appears at the door and nods to ABERNATHY. He throws the door open so the water pours out—along with the two remaining AURORS.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He succeeds in killing more Aurors with the magical fire.
He kills Aurors with the fire he used at the cemetery.
GRINDELWALD conducts the flames as though leading an orchestra, the Elder Wand his baton, as the forks of fire strike at AURORS attempting to Disapparate or flee.
He ordered Grimmson to kill Irma Dugard.
Grindelwald ordered Grimmson, who was working for him, to kill Irma Dugard.
Fresh from IRMA’S murder, GRIMMSON stands in a covered alleyway beneath a bridge over the Seine. GRINDELWALD appears.
GRIMMSON
She’s dead.
GRINDELWALD walks toward him and halts when they are face-to-face.
GRINDELWALD
How did the boy take it?
Attacking Ministry officials:
Attacking Ministry officials is a crime in Britain, and likely elsewhere as well.
“Marvolo, who had injured several Ministry employees in addition to Ogden, received six months.”
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 10 (The House of Gaunt)
He attempts to use fire against the Aurors.
Grindelwald attacking the Aurors with fire would be a crime in itself, whether or not he succeeds.
GRINDELWALD sends a wall of flames into the air, pursuing fleeing AURORS.
GRINDELWALD
Play by the rules! No cheating, children.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Killing Muggles:
Killing Muggles is a crime in Britain, and likely would be in other countries.
“So the Ministry called upon Morfin. They did not need to question him, to use Veritaserum or Legilimency. He admitted to the murder on the spot, giving details only the murderer could know. He was proud, he said, to have killed the Muggles, had been awaiting his chance all these years. He handed over his wand, which was proved at once to have been used to kill the Riddles. And he permitted himself to be led off to Azkaban without a fight.”
- Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 17 (A Sluggish Memory)
He ordered his acolytes to kill the Muggles in the house he wanted.
Grindelwald orders his acolytes to kill the Muggles living in the house he wanted to use for his hideout in Paris.
GRINDELWALD and ACOLYTES stand in the street. GRINDELWALD points his cane at a particularly fine house. A clatter announces the arrival of a horse-drawn hearse.
NAGEL, KRALL, CARROW, ABERNATHY, KRAFFT, ROSIER (female), and MACDUFF approach the front door. KRALL opens it with his wand. The ACOLYTES enter.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
He clearly expected the Muggles to be killed, he waits outside until he sees the coffins come out.
GRINDELWALD looks around the street, calm, waiting, tapping on the pavement with his cane.
We see a green flash—the Killing Curse. The door reopens. Two black coffins exit. GRINDELWALD watches as NAGEL and KRAFFT load the coffins onto the carriage.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
Trespass and robbery:
Trespassing into the British Ministry was considered a crime, it’s likely it’s also a crime to trespass into the French one and rob it, especially considering the Matagots guarding it.
“Sturgis Podmore, 38, of number two, Laburnum Gardens, Clapham, has appeared in front of the Wizengamot charged with trespass and attempted robbery at the Ministry of Magic on 31st August. Podmore was arrested by Ministry of Magic watchwizard Eric Munch, who found him attempting to force his way through a top-security door at one o’clock in the morning. Podmore, who refused to speak in his own defence, was convicted on both charges and sentenced to six months in Azkaban.”
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 14 (Percy and Padfoot)
He had his acolytes steal the Lestrange family tree from the French Ministry.
Though it’s never explicitly stated, it’s almost certain that Grindelwald’s acolytes broke into the French Ministry to steal the records on his orders, since stealing the Lestrange family tree fits into his plan to lure Credence to him.
As the RECEPTIONIST gives a Gallic shrug, a genteel ELDERLY LADY crosses into the shot behind QUEENIE. She has a distinctive bag in her hands—we follow her into the elevator—where ROSIER stands waiting. As the doors close, the ELDERLY LADY transforms into ABERNATHY and he pulls out an elaborate box . . .
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
They later plant it in the mausoleum in furtherance of Grindelwald’s plan to lure Credence.
ABERNATHY and MACDUFF enter carrying the bag retrieved from the French Ministry and remove the elaborate box, which they plant in the mausoleum to be found.
- Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald (The Original Screenplay)
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I would assume that covering an entire city in magical black cloth is some sort of crime. Intimidation, perhaps?
– Valorum
Dec 6 at 22:48
@Valorum it's debatable since it was intended as a call to a meeting to discuss whether or not muggles and wizards should mix and if there was a danger with the current situation (which according to him was the case and based on the visions is in fact true). Barring minor issues of legality of posting notices of a meeting everywhere there's nothing illegal about the meeting itself since it is generally legal to discuss potential desires to protest a law or discuss its relevance. The only thing illegal about it was that a fugitive was the main speaker.
– The Great Duck
Dec 7 at 0:50
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Upvoting yours over the other answer. Yours shows research. The other is just a list.
– LincolnMan
Dec 7 at 6:29
@Valorum I’ve been trying really hard to figure that one out!
– Bellatrix
Dec 8 at 1:55
@LincolnMan Thanks a lot, it’s nice that my research is appreciated! :)
– Bellatrix
Dec 8 at 1:56
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I would assume that covering an entire city in magical black cloth is some sort of crime. Intimidation, perhaps?
– Valorum
Dec 6 at 22:48
@Valorum it's debatable since it was intended as a call to a meeting to discuss whether or not muggles and wizards should mix and if there was a danger with the current situation (which according to him was the case and based on the visions is in fact true). Barring minor issues of legality of posting notices of a meeting everywhere there's nothing illegal about the meeting itself since it is generally legal to discuss potential desires to protest a law or discuss its relevance. The only thing illegal about it was that a fugitive was the main speaker.
– The Great Duck
Dec 7 at 0:50
2
Upvoting yours over the other answer. Yours shows research. The other is just a list.
– LincolnMan
Dec 7 at 6:29
@Valorum I’ve been trying really hard to figure that one out!
– Bellatrix
Dec 8 at 1:55
@LincolnMan Thanks a lot, it’s nice that my research is appreciated! :)
– Bellatrix
Dec 8 at 1:56
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I would assume that covering an entire city in magical black cloth is some sort of crime. Intimidation, perhaps?
– Valorum
Dec 6 at 22:48
I would assume that covering an entire city in magical black cloth is some sort of crime. Intimidation, perhaps?
– Valorum
Dec 6 at 22:48
@Valorum it's debatable since it was intended as a call to a meeting to discuss whether or not muggles and wizards should mix and if there was a danger with the current situation (which according to him was the case and based on the visions is in fact true). Barring minor issues of legality of posting notices of a meeting everywhere there's nothing illegal about the meeting itself since it is generally legal to discuss potential desires to protest a law or discuss its relevance. The only thing illegal about it was that a fugitive was the main speaker.
– The Great Duck
Dec 7 at 0:50
@Valorum it's debatable since it was intended as a call to a meeting to discuss whether or not muggles and wizards should mix and if there was a danger with the current situation (which according to him was the case and based on the visions is in fact true). Barring minor issues of legality of posting notices of a meeting everywhere there's nothing illegal about the meeting itself since it is generally legal to discuss potential desires to protest a law or discuss its relevance. The only thing illegal about it was that a fugitive was the main speaker.
– The Great Duck
Dec 7 at 0:50
2
2
Upvoting yours over the other answer. Yours shows research. The other is just a list.
– LincolnMan
Dec 7 at 6:29
Upvoting yours over the other answer. Yours shows research. The other is just a list.
– LincolnMan
Dec 7 at 6:29
@Valorum I’ve been trying really hard to figure that one out!
– Bellatrix
Dec 8 at 1:55
@Valorum I’ve been trying really hard to figure that one out!
– Bellatrix
Dec 8 at 1:55
@LincolnMan Thanks a lot, it’s nice that my research is appreciated! :)
– Bellatrix
Dec 8 at 1:56
@LincolnMan Thanks a lot, it’s nice that my research is appreciated! :)
– Bellatrix
Dec 8 at 1:56
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Did you miss the bit at the start of the previous film where he committed mass murder?
– Valorum
Dec 5 at 13:25
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He killed a bunch of MACUSA members/international lawkeeping wizards in the opening scene of this one too.
– Kitkat
Dec 5 at 13:31
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Not to mention the fiendfyre at the end that was supposed to be unleashed on the whole of Paris.
– Annatar
Dec 5 at 13:36
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I understand the downvotes since it's pretty clear that he committed many crimes. I think a better question would have been "why is the movie called The Crimes of Grindelwald?" because I think that was your underlying motive for asking this. And to me it also seems a poor choice of title because it's not the main focus of the movie
– Ivo Beckers
Dec 5 at 13:38