Is $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ in field extension?
Is $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ in field extension?
We know that, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}+ sqrt{5})$.
Also, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5})$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$.
If the question is true, then for which values of $a$ & $b$ can $sqrt{10}$ be expressed in the form $asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5}$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$
abstract-algebra
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Is $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ in field extension?
We know that, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}+ sqrt{5})$.
Also, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5})$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$.
If the question is true, then for which values of $a$ & $b$ can $sqrt{10}$ be expressed in the form $asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5}$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$
abstract-algebra
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Look at degrees.
– Hurkyl
Sep 23 '14 at 18:06
No. $mathbb{Q}[sqrt{2}, sqrt{5}] = { a+bsqrt{2}+csqrt{5}+ dsqrt{10} : a,b,c,d, in mathbb{Q}}$.
– Crostul
Sep 23 '14 at 18:10
For no values $(a,b)$. And the question has answer No.
– Orest Bucicovschi
Sep 23 '14 at 18:16
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You can show $sqrt{10} in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})$ but that $sqrt{2} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ and $sqrt{5} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$. Can you see why? Also, as someone else noted, look at the degrees of the field extension.
– Islands
Sep 23 '14 at 18:18
Possible duplicate of Is $mathbf{Q}(sqrt{2},sqrt{3}) = mathbf{Q}(sqrt{6})$?
– Watson
Nov 26 at 12:44
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Is $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ in field extension?
We know that, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}+ sqrt{5})$.
Also, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5})$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$.
If the question is true, then for which values of $a$ & $b$ can $sqrt{10}$ be expressed in the form $asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5}$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$
abstract-algebra
Is $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ in field extension?
We know that, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}+ sqrt{5})$.
Also, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5})$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$.
If the question is true, then for which values of $a$ & $b$ can $sqrt{10}$ be expressed in the form $asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5}$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$
abstract-algebra
abstract-algebra
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asked Sep 23 '14 at 18:04
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Look at degrees.
– Hurkyl
Sep 23 '14 at 18:06
No. $mathbb{Q}[sqrt{2}, sqrt{5}] = { a+bsqrt{2}+csqrt{5}+ dsqrt{10} : a,b,c,d, in mathbb{Q}}$.
– Crostul
Sep 23 '14 at 18:10
For no values $(a,b)$. And the question has answer No.
– Orest Bucicovschi
Sep 23 '14 at 18:16
1
You can show $sqrt{10} in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})$ but that $sqrt{2} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ and $sqrt{5} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$. Can you see why? Also, as someone else noted, look at the degrees of the field extension.
– Islands
Sep 23 '14 at 18:18
Possible duplicate of Is $mathbf{Q}(sqrt{2},sqrt{3}) = mathbf{Q}(sqrt{6})$?
– Watson
Nov 26 at 12:44
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Look at degrees.
– Hurkyl
Sep 23 '14 at 18:06
No. $mathbb{Q}[sqrt{2}, sqrt{5}] = { a+bsqrt{2}+csqrt{5}+ dsqrt{10} : a,b,c,d, in mathbb{Q}}$.
– Crostul
Sep 23 '14 at 18:10
For no values $(a,b)$. And the question has answer No.
– Orest Bucicovschi
Sep 23 '14 at 18:16
1
You can show $sqrt{10} in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})$ but that $sqrt{2} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ and $sqrt{5} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$. Can you see why? Also, as someone else noted, look at the degrees of the field extension.
– Islands
Sep 23 '14 at 18:18
Possible duplicate of Is $mathbf{Q}(sqrt{2},sqrt{3}) = mathbf{Q}(sqrt{6})$?
– Watson
Nov 26 at 12:44
3
3
Look at degrees.
– Hurkyl
Sep 23 '14 at 18:06
Look at degrees.
– Hurkyl
Sep 23 '14 at 18:06
No. $mathbb{Q}[sqrt{2}, sqrt{5}] = { a+bsqrt{2}+csqrt{5}+ dsqrt{10} : a,b,c,d, in mathbb{Q}}$.
– Crostul
Sep 23 '14 at 18:10
No. $mathbb{Q}[sqrt{2}, sqrt{5}] = { a+bsqrt{2}+csqrt{5}+ dsqrt{10} : a,b,c,d, in mathbb{Q}}$.
– Crostul
Sep 23 '14 at 18:10
For no values $(a,b)$. And the question has answer No.
– Orest Bucicovschi
Sep 23 '14 at 18:16
For no values $(a,b)$. And the question has answer No.
– Orest Bucicovschi
Sep 23 '14 at 18:16
1
1
You can show $sqrt{10} in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})$ but that $sqrt{2} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ and $sqrt{5} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$. Can you see why? Also, as someone else noted, look at the degrees of the field extension.
– Islands
Sep 23 '14 at 18:18
You can show $sqrt{10} in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})$ but that $sqrt{2} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ and $sqrt{5} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$. Can you see why? Also, as someone else noted, look at the degrees of the field extension.
– Islands
Sep 23 '14 at 18:18
Possible duplicate of Is $mathbf{Q}(sqrt{2},sqrt{3}) = mathbf{Q}(sqrt{6})$?
– Watson
Nov 26 at 12:44
Possible duplicate of Is $mathbf{Q}(sqrt{2},sqrt{3}) = mathbf{Q}(sqrt{6})$?
– Watson
Nov 26 at 12:44
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As comment suggested, look at degrees over the rationals:
$$[Bbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt5):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt2)(sqrt5):Bbb Q(sqrt2)]cdot [Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=2cdot2=4$$
since $;x^2-5inBbb Q(sqrt2)[x];$ is irreducible here (proof?)
On the other side
$$[Bbb Qsqrt{10}:Bbb Q]=2$$
since x$;x^2-10inBbb Q[x];$ is irreducible here.
OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
– Empty
Sep 23 '14 at 21:43
Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
– Timbuc
Sep 23 '14 at 22:31
I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 3:45
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Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
– Timbuc
Sep 24 '14 at 5:26
Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 5:58
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As comment suggested, look at degrees over the rationals:
$$[Bbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt5):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt2)(sqrt5):Bbb Q(sqrt2)]cdot [Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=2cdot2=4$$
since $;x^2-5inBbb Q(sqrt2)[x];$ is irreducible here (proof?)
On the other side
$$[Bbb Qsqrt{10}:Bbb Q]=2$$
since x$;x^2-10inBbb Q[x];$ is irreducible here.
OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
– Empty
Sep 23 '14 at 21:43
Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
– Timbuc
Sep 23 '14 at 22:31
I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 3:45
1
Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
– Timbuc
Sep 24 '14 at 5:26
Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 5:58
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As comment suggested, look at degrees over the rationals:
$$[Bbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt5):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt2)(sqrt5):Bbb Q(sqrt2)]cdot [Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=2cdot2=4$$
since $;x^2-5inBbb Q(sqrt2)[x];$ is irreducible here (proof?)
On the other side
$$[Bbb Qsqrt{10}:Bbb Q]=2$$
since x$;x^2-10inBbb Q[x];$ is irreducible here.
OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
– Empty
Sep 23 '14 at 21:43
Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
– Timbuc
Sep 23 '14 at 22:31
I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 3:45
1
Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
– Timbuc
Sep 24 '14 at 5:26
Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 5:58
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As comment suggested, look at degrees over the rationals:
$$[Bbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt5):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt2)(sqrt5):Bbb Q(sqrt2)]cdot [Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=2cdot2=4$$
since $;x^2-5inBbb Q(sqrt2)[x];$ is irreducible here (proof?)
On the other side
$$[Bbb Qsqrt{10}:Bbb Q]=2$$
since x$;x^2-10inBbb Q[x];$ is irreducible here.
As comment suggested, look at degrees over the rationals:
$$[Bbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt5):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt2)(sqrt5):Bbb Q(sqrt2)]cdot [Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=2cdot2=4$$
since $;x^2-5inBbb Q(sqrt2)[x];$ is irreducible here (proof?)
On the other side
$$[Bbb Qsqrt{10}:Bbb Q]=2$$
since x$;x^2-10inBbb Q[x];$ is irreducible here.
answered Sep 23 '14 at 19:11
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OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
– Empty
Sep 23 '14 at 21:43
Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
– Timbuc
Sep 23 '14 at 22:31
I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 3:45
1
Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
– Timbuc
Sep 24 '14 at 5:26
Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 5:58
|
show 3 more comments
OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
– Empty
Sep 23 '14 at 21:43
Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
– Timbuc
Sep 23 '14 at 22:31
I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 3:45
1
Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
– Timbuc
Sep 24 '14 at 5:26
Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 5:58
OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
– Empty
Sep 23 '14 at 21:43
OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
– Empty
Sep 23 '14 at 21:43
Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
– Timbuc
Sep 23 '14 at 22:31
Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
– Timbuc
Sep 23 '14 at 22:31
I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 3:45
I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 3:45
1
1
Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
– Timbuc
Sep 24 '14 at 5:26
Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
– Timbuc
Sep 24 '14 at 5:26
Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 5:58
Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 5:58
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Look at degrees.
– Hurkyl
Sep 23 '14 at 18:06
No. $mathbb{Q}[sqrt{2}, sqrt{5}] = { a+bsqrt{2}+csqrt{5}+ dsqrt{10} : a,b,c,d, in mathbb{Q}}$.
– Crostul
Sep 23 '14 at 18:10
For no values $(a,b)$. And the question has answer No.
– Orest Bucicovschi
Sep 23 '14 at 18:16
1
You can show $sqrt{10} in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})$ but that $sqrt{2} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ and $sqrt{5} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$. Can you see why? Also, as someone else noted, look at the degrees of the field extension.
– Islands
Sep 23 '14 at 18:18
Possible duplicate of Is $mathbf{Q}(sqrt{2},sqrt{3}) = mathbf{Q}(sqrt{6})$?
– Watson
Nov 26 at 12:44