Is $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ in field extension?












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Is $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ in field extension?



We know that, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}+ sqrt{5})$.
Also, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5})$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$.



If the question is true, then for which values of $a$ & $b$ can $sqrt{10}$ be expressed in the form $asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5}$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$










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    Look at degrees.
    – Hurkyl
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:06










  • No. $mathbb{Q}[sqrt{2}, sqrt{5}] = { a+bsqrt{2}+csqrt{5}+ dsqrt{10} : a,b,c,d, in mathbb{Q}}$.
    – Crostul
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:10










  • For no values $(a,b)$. And the question has answer No.
    – Orest Bucicovschi
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:16






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    You can show $sqrt{10} in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})$ but that $sqrt{2} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ and $sqrt{5} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$. Can you see why? Also, as someone else noted, look at the degrees of the field extension.
    – Islands
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:18












  • Possible duplicate of Is $mathbf{Q}(sqrt{2},sqrt{3}) = mathbf{Q}(sqrt{6})$?
    – Watson
    Nov 26 at 12:44
















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Is $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ in field extension?



We know that, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}+ sqrt{5})$.
Also, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5})$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$.



If the question is true, then for which values of $a$ & $b$ can $sqrt{10}$ be expressed in the form $asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5}$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$










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    Look at degrees.
    – Hurkyl
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:06










  • No. $mathbb{Q}[sqrt{2}, sqrt{5}] = { a+bsqrt{2}+csqrt{5}+ dsqrt{10} : a,b,c,d, in mathbb{Q}}$.
    – Crostul
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:10










  • For no values $(a,b)$. And the question has answer No.
    – Orest Bucicovschi
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:16






  • 1




    You can show $sqrt{10} in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})$ but that $sqrt{2} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ and $sqrt{5} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$. Can you see why? Also, as someone else noted, look at the degrees of the field extension.
    – Islands
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:18












  • Possible duplicate of Is $mathbf{Q}(sqrt{2},sqrt{3}) = mathbf{Q}(sqrt{6})$?
    – Watson
    Nov 26 at 12:44














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Is $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ in field extension?



We know that, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}+ sqrt{5})$.
Also, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5})$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$.



If the question is true, then for which values of $a$ & $b$ can $sqrt{10}$ be expressed in the form $asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5}$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$










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Is $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ in field extension?



We know that, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}+ sqrt{5})$.
Also, $mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})=mathbb{Q}(asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5})$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$.



If the question is true, then for which values of $a$ & $b$ can $sqrt{10}$ be expressed in the form $asqrt{2}+ bsqrt{5}$ where $a,b in mathbb{Q}$







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    Look at degrees.
    – Hurkyl
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:06










  • No. $mathbb{Q}[sqrt{2}, sqrt{5}] = { a+bsqrt{2}+csqrt{5}+ dsqrt{10} : a,b,c,d, in mathbb{Q}}$.
    – Crostul
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:10










  • For no values $(a,b)$. And the question has answer No.
    – Orest Bucicovschi
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:16






  • 1




    You can show $sqrt{10} in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})$ but that $sqrt{2} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ and $sqrt{5} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$. Can you see why? Also, as someone else noted, look at the degrees of the field extension.
    – Islands
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:18












  • Possible duplicate of Is $mathbf{Q}(sqrt{2},sqrt{3}) = mathbf{Q}(sqrt{6})$?
    – Watson
    Nov 26 at 12:44














  • 3




    Look at degrees.
    – Hurkyl
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:06










  • No. $mathbb{Q}[sqrt{2}, sqrt{5}] = { a+bsqrt{2}+csqrt{5}+ dsqrt{10} : a,b,c,d, in mathbb{Q}}$.
    – Crostul
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:10










  • For no values $(a,b)$. And the question has answer No.
    – Orest Bucicovschi
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:16






  • 1




    You can show $sqrt{10} in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})$ but that $sqrt{2} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ and $sqrt{5} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$. Can you see why? Also, as someone else noted, look at the degrees of the field extension.
    – Islands
    Sep 23 '14 at 18:18












  • Possible duplicate of Is $mathbf{Q}(sqrt{2},sqrt{3}) = mathbf{Q}(sqrt{6})$?
    – Watson
    Nov 26 at 12:44








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Look at degrees.
– Hurkyl
Sep 23 '14 at 18:06




Look at degrees.
– Hurkyl
Sep 23 '14 at 18:06












No. $mathbb{Q}[sqrt{2}, sqrt{5}] = { a+bsqrt{2}+csqrt{5}+ dsqrt{10} : a,b,c,d, in mathbb{Q}}$.
– Crostul
Sep 23 '14 at 18:10




No. $mathbb{Q}[sqrt{2}, sqrt{5}] = { a+bsqrt{2}+csqrt{5}+ dsqrt{10} : a,b,c,d, in mathbb{Q}}$.
– Crostul
Sep 23 '14 at 18:10












For no values $(a,b)$. And the question has answer No.
– Orest Bucicovschi
Sep 23 '14 at 18:16




For no values $(a,b)$. And the question has answer No.
– Orest Bucicovschi
Sep 23 '14 at 18:16




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You can show $sqrt{10} in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})$ but that $sqrt{2} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ and $sqrt{5} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$. Can you see why? Also, as someone else noted, look at the degrees of the field extension.
– Islands
Sep 23 '14 at 18:18






You can show $sqrt{10} in mathbb{Q}(sqrt{2}, sqrt{5})$ but that $sqrt{2} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$ and $sqrt{5} notin mathbb{Q}(sqrt{10})$. Can you see why? Also, as someone else noted, look at the degrees of the field extension.
– Islands
Sep 23 '14 at 18:18














Possible duplicate of Is $mathbf{Q}(sqrt{2},sqrt{3}) = mathbf{Q}(sqrt{6})$?
– Watson
Nov 26 at 12:44




Possible duplicate of Is $mathbf{Q}(sqrt{2},sqrt{3}) = mathbf{Q}(sqrt{6})$?
– Watson
Nov 26 at 12:44










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As comment suggested, look at degrees over the rationals:



$$[Bbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt5):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt2)(sqrt5):Bbb Q(sqrt2)]cdot [Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=2cdot2=4$$



since $;x^2-5inBbb Q(sqrt2)[x];$ is irreducible here (proof?)



On the other side



$$[Bbb Qsqrt{10}:Bbb Q]=2$$



since x$;x^2-10inBbb Q[x];$ is irreducible here.






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  • OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
    – Empty
    Sep 23 '14 at 21:43










  • Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
    – Timbuc
    Sep 23 '14 at 22:31










  • I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
    – Empty
    Sep 24 '14 at 3:45








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    Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
    – Timbuc
    Sep 24 '14 at 5:26












  • Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
    – Empty
    Sep 24 '14 at 5:58











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As comment suggested, look at degrees over the rationals:



$$[Bbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt5):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt2)(sqrt5):Bbb Q(sqrt2)]cdot [Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=2cdot2=4$$



since $;x^2-5inBbb Q(sqrt2)[x];$ is irreducible here (proof?)



On the other side



$$[Bbb Qsqrt{10}:Bbb Q]=2$$



since x$;x^2-10inBbb Q[x];$ is irreducible here.






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  • OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
    – Empty
    Sep 23 '14 at 21:43










  • Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
    – Timbuc
    Sep 23 '14 at 22:31










  • I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
    – Empty
    Sep 24 '14 at 3:45








  • 1




    Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
    – Timbuc
    Sep 24 '14 at 5:26












  • Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
    – Empty
    Sep 24 '14 at 5:58
















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As comment suggested, look at degrees over the rationals:



$$[Bbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt5):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt2)(sqrt5):Bbb Q(sqrt2)]cdot [Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=2cdot2=4$$



since $;x^2-5inBbb Q(sqrt2)[x];$ is irreducible here (proof?)



On the other side



$$[Bbb Qsqrt{10}:Bbb Q]=2$$



since x$;x^2-10inBbb Q[x];$ is irreducible here.






share|cite|improve this answer





















  • OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
    – Empty
    Sep 23 '14 at 21:43










  • Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
    – Timbuc
    Sep 23 '14 at 22:31










  • I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
    – Empty
    Sep 24 '14 at 3:45








  • 1




    Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
    – Timbuc
    Sep 24 '14 at 5:26












  • Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
    – Empty
    Sep 24 '14 at 5:58














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As comment suggested, look at degrees over the rationals:



$$[Bbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt5):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt2)(sqrt5):Bbb Q(sqrt2)]cdot [Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=2cdot2=4$$



since $;x^2-5inBbb Q(sqrt2)[x];$ is irreducible here (proof?)



On the other side



$$[Bbb Qsqrt{10}:Bbb Q]=2$$



since x$;x^2-10inBbb Q[x];$ is irreducible here.






share|cite|improve this answer












As comment suggested, look at degrees over the rationals:



$$[Bbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt5):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt2)(sqrt5):Bbb Q(sqrt2)]cdot [Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=2cdot2=4$$



since $;x^2-5inBbb Q(sqrt2)[x];$ is irreducible here (proof?)



On the other side



$$[Bbb Qsqrt{10}:Bbb Q]=2$$



since x$;x^2-10inBbb Q[x];$ is irreducible here.







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  • OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
    – Empty
    Sep 23 '14 at 21:43










  • Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
    – Timbuc
    Sep 23 '14 at 22:31










  • I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
    – Empty
    Sep 24 '14 at 3:45








  • 1




    Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
    – Timbuc
    Sep 24 '14 at 5:26












  • Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
    – Empty
    Sep 24 '14 at 5:58


















  • OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
    – Empty
    Sep 23 '14 at 21:43










  • Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
    – Timbuc
    Sep 23 '14 at 22:31










  • I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
    – Empty
    Sep 24 '14 at 3:45








  • 1




    Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
    – Timbuc
    Sep 24 '14 at 5:26












  • Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
    – Empty
    Sep 24 '14 at 5:58
















OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
– Empty
Sep 23 '14 at 21:43




OK. I understand it. Due to the degree, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)) as well as =Q(square root(2).cube root(7)).As the degrees are equal. Am I right?
– Empty
Sep 23 '14 at 21:43












Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
– Timbuc
Sep 23 '14 at 22:31




Don't understand your question, @SayantanPanja
– Timbuc
Sep 23 '14 at 22:31












I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 3:45






I want to say that, [(Q(square root(2),cube root(7)):Q]=6=[(Q(square root(2).cube root(7)):Q]=[(Q(square root(2)+cube root(7)):Q]. So can we write that, Q(square root(2),cube root(7))=Q(square root(2).cube root(7))=Q(square root(2)+cube root(7))?
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 3:45






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Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
– Timbuc
Sep 24 '14 at 5:26






Well, yes we can...but only if you prove something else. For example, $;[Bbb Q(sqrt2):Bbb Q]=[Bbb Q(sqrt5):Bbb Q]=2;$ , yet $;Bbb Q(sqrt2)neqBbb Q (sqrt5);$ . Equality follows if for example one of the fields contains the other one. In your example, since clearly $;Bbb Q(sqrt2+sqrt7)subsetBbb Q(sqrt2,sqrt7);$ , if the degrees over $;Bbb Q;$ are equal then the fields are the same.
– Timbuc
Sep 24 '14 at 5:26














Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 5:58




Sir, you have some mistake...My question is not root(7),it is cube root(7)
– Empty
Sep 24 '14 at 5:58


















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