Finding an explicit isomorphism between $mathbb R^4 / ker T$ and $mathbb R^2$











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It is exactly (e) of the following:



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I first state that the two vector spaces are isomorphic because they have equal dimension. I then define a linear transform $S: mathbb R^4 / Ker T to mathbb R^2$ by



$$S begin{pmatrix}
0 \
a \
b \
0 \
end{pmatrix} to
begin{pmatrix}
a \
b \
end{pmatrix}: a,b in mathbb R$$



Where $begin{pmatrix}
0 \
a \
b \
0 \
end{pmatrix}$
is an arbitrary element in the departure space.



If this mapping translates basis to basis, this is an isomorphism.



$$
S begin{pmatrix}
0 \
a \
b \
0 \
end{pmatrix} to
begin{pmatrix}
a \
b \
end{pmatrix} in mathbb R^2 implies Sleft(a begin{pmatrix}
0 \
1 \
0 \
0 \
end{pmatrix} +
bbegin{pmatrix}
0 \
0 \
1 \
0 \
end{pmatrix}right) = a vec e_1 + b vec e_2 $$

$$
text{ as
$Sbegin{pmatrix}
0 \
1 \
0 \
0 \
end{pmatrix} =
begin{pmatrix}
1 \
0 \
end{pmatrix}$ and
$
Sbegin{pmatrix}
0 \
0 \
1 \
0 \
end{pmatrix} =
begin{pmatrix}
0 \
1 \
end{pmatrix}$}$$



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  • What is $F$? Is it $mathbb R$?
    – José Carlos Santos
    Nov 17 at 18:48










  • @JoséCarlosSantos an arbitrary field. I should’ve specified, my bad.
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 18:49










  • But you mention $mathbb R$ in the title.
    – José Carlos Santos
    Nov 17 at 18:50










  • Yes, I’ll correct that.
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 18:52















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I'm wondering if I have a valid answer to this.



It is exactly (e) of the following:



enter image description here



I first state that the two vector spaces are isomorphic because they have equal dimension. I then define a linear transform $S: mathbb R^4 / Ker T to mathbb R^2$ by



$$S begin{pmatrix}
0 \
a \
b \
0 \
end{pmatrix} to
begin{pmatrix}
a \
b \
end{pmatrix}: a,b in mathbb R$$



Where $begin{pmatrix}
0 \
a \
b \
0 \
end{pmatrix}$
is an arbitrary element in the departure space.



If this mapping translates basis to basis, this is an isomorphism.



$$
S begin{pmatrix}
0 \
a \
b \
0 \
end{pmatrix} to
begin{pmatrix}
a \
b \
end{pmatrix} in mathbb R^2 implies Sleft(a begin{pmatrix}
0 \
1 \
0 \
0 \
end{pmatrix} +
bbegin{pmatrix}
0 \
0 \
1 \
0 \
end{pmatrix}right) = a vec e_1 + b vec e_2 $$

$$
text{ as
$Sbegin{pmatrix}
0 \
1 \
0 \
0 \
end{pmatrix} =
begin{pmatrix}
1 \
0 \
end{pmatrix}$ and
$
Sbegin{pmatrix}
0 \
0 \
1 \
0 \
end{pmatrix} =
begin{pmatrix}
0 \
1 \
end{pmatrix}$}$$



Is this a valid answer?










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  • What is $F$? Is it $mathbb R$?
    – José Carlos Santos
    Nov 17 at 18:48










  • @JoséCarlosSantos an arbitrary field. I should’ve specified, my bad.
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 18:49










  • But you mention $mathbb R$ in the title.
    – José Carlos Santos
    Nov 17 at 18:50










  • Yes, I’ll correct that.
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 18:52













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I'm wondering if I have a valid answer to this.



It is exactly (e) of the following:



enter image description here



I first state that the two vector spaces are isomorphic because they have equal dimension. I then define a linear transform $S: mathbb R^4 / Ker T to mathbb R^2$ by



$$S begin{pmatrix}
0 \
a \
b \
0 \
end{pmatrix} to
begin{pmatrix}
a \
b \
end{pmatrix}: a,b in mathbb R$$



Where $begin{pmatrix}
0 \
a \
b \
0 \
end{pmatrix}$
is an arbitrary element in the departure space.



If this mapping translates basis to basis, this is an isomorphism.



$$
S begin{pmatrix}
0 \
a \
b \
0 \
end{pmatrix} to
begin{pmatrix}
a \
b \
end{pmatrix} in mathbb R^2 implies Sleft(a begin{pmatrix}
0 \
1 \
0 \
0 \
end{pmatrix} +
bbegin{pmatrix}
0 \
0 \
1 \
0 \
end{pmatrix}right) = a vec e_1 + b vec e_2 $$

$$
text{ as
$Sbegin{pmatrix}
0 \
1 \
0 \
0 \
end{pmatrix} =
begin{pmatrix}
1 \
0 \
end{pmatrix}$ and
$
Sbegin{pmatrix}
0 \
0 \
1 \
0 \
end{pmatrix} =
begin{pmatrix}
0 \
1 \
end{pmatrix}$}$$



Is this a valid answer?










share|cite|improve this question















I'm wondering if I have a valid answer to this.



It is exactly (e) of the following:



enter image description here



I first state that the two vector spaces are isomorphic because they have equal dimension. I then define a linear transform $S: mathbb R^4 / Ker T to mathbb R^2$ by



$$S begin{pmatrix}
0 \
a \
b \
0 \
end{pmatrix} to
begin{pmatrix}
a \
b \
end{pmatrix}: a,b in mathbb R$$



Where $begin{pmatrix}
0 \
a \
b \
0 \
end{pmatrix}$
is an arbitrary element in the departure space.



If this mapping translates basis to basis, this is an isomorphism.



$$
S begin{pmatrix}
0 \
a \
b \
0 \
end{pmatrix} to
begin{pmatrix}
a \
b \
end{pmatrix} in mathbb R^2 implies Sleft(a begin{pmatrix}
0 \
1 \
0 \
0 \
end{pmatrix} +
bbegin{pmatrix}
0 \
0 \
1 \
0 \
end{pmatrix}right) = a vec e_1 + b vec e_2 $$

$$
text{ as
$Sbegin{pmatrix}
0 \
1 \
0 \
0 \
end{pmatrix} =
begin{pmatrix}
1 \
0 \
end{pmatrix}$ and
$
Sbegin{pmatrix}
0 \
0 \
1 \
0 \
end{pmatrix} =
begin{pmatrix}
0 \
1 \
end{pmatrix}$}$$



Is this a valid answer?







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  • What is $F$? Is it $mathbb R$?
    – José Carlos Santos
    Nov 17 at 18:48










  • @JoséCarlosSantos an arbitrary field. I should’ve specified, my bad.
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 18:49










  • But you mention $mathbb R$ in the title.
    – José Carlos Santos
    Nov 17 at 18:50










  • Yes, I’ll correct that.
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 18:52


















  • What is $F$? Is it $mathbb R$?
    – José Carlos Santos
    Nov 17 at 18:48










  • @JoséCarlosSantos an arbitrary field. I should’ve specified, my bad.
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 18:49










  • But you mention $mathbb R$ in the title.
    – José Carlos Santos
    Nov 17 at 18:50










  • Yes, I’ll correct that.
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 18:52
















What is $F$? Is it $mathbb R$?
– José Carlos Santos
Nov 17 at 18:48




What is $F$? Is it $mathbb R$?
– José Carlos Santos
Nov 17 at 18:48












@JoséCarlosSantos an arbitrary field. I should’ve specified, my bad.
– sangstar
Nov 17 at 18:49




@JoséCarlosSantos an arbitrary field. I should’ve specified, my bad.
– sangstar
Nov 17 at 18:49












But you mention $mathbb R$ in the title.
– José Carlos Santos
Nov 17 at 18:50




But you mention $mathbb R$ in the title.
– José Carlos Santos
Nov 17 at 18:50












Yes, I’ll correct that.
– sangstar
Nov 17 at 18:52




Yes, I’ll correct that.
– sangstar
Nov 17 at 18:52










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Your answer is not valid, since you don't even mention $F^4/ker T$ in it. An explicit isomorphism would be$$begin{array}{rccc}Psicolon&F^4/ker T&longrightarrow&F^2\&begin{pmatrix}a\b\c\dend{pmatrix}+ker T&mapsto&Tbegin{pmatrix}a\b\c\dend{pmatrix}.end{array}$$






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  • Forgive me, I’m confused. Can you explain in more detail why, if I did mention what I didn’t mention, why it’s still not a valid answer? An why yours is a valid explicit isomorphism?
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 19:02












  • FIrst of all, there are two maps called $T$ in your answer. Not a good idea. Besides, you just claim that the domain of your second $T$ is $F^4/ker T$, but it is actually a subspace of $F^4$.
    – José Carlos Santos
    Nov 17 at 19:06












  • Oh, you’re right. This exercise was a follow up to a previous exercise with defined $T$ such that the quotient space ended up being what I represented. I will update the question presently with the missing info.
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 19:09











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Your answer is not valid, since you don't even mention $F^4/ker T$ in it. An explicit isomorphism would be$$begin{array}{rccc}Psicolon&F^4/ker T&longrightarrow&F^2\&begin{pmatrix}a\b\c\dend{pmatrix}+ker T&mapsto&Tbegin{pmatrix}a\b\c\dend{pmatrix}.end{array}$$






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  • Forgive me, I’m confused. Can you explain in more detail why, if I did mention what I didn’t mention, why it’s still not a valid answer? An why yours is a valid explicit isomorphism?
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 19:02












  • FIrst of all, there are two maps called $T$ in your answer. Not a good idea. Besides, you just claim that the domain of your second $T$ is $F^4/ker T$, but it is actually a subspace of $F^4$.
    – José Carlos Santos
    Nov 17 at 19:06












  • Oh, you’re right. This exercise was a follow up to a previous exercise with defined $T$ such that the quotient space ended up being what I represented. I will update the question presently with the missing info.
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 19:09















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Your answer is not valid, since you don't even mention $F^4/ker T$ in it. An explicit isomorphism would be$$begin{array}{rccc}Psicolon&F^4/ker T&longrightarrow&F^2\&begin{pmatrix}a\b\c\dend{pmatrix}+ker T&mapsto&Tbegin{pmatrix}a\b\c\dend{pmatrix}.end{array}$$






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  • Forgive me, I’m confused. Can you explain in more detail why, if I did mention what I didn’t mention, why it’s still not a valid answer? An why yours is a valid explicit isomorphism?
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 19:02












  • FIrst of all, there are two maps called $T$ in your answer. Not a good idea. Besides, you just claim that the domain of your second $T$ is $F^4/ker T$, but it is actually a subspace of $F^4$.
    – José Carlos Santos
    Nov 17 at 19:06












  • Oh, you’re right. This exercise was a follow up to a previous exercise with defined $T$ such that the quotient space ended up being what I represented. I will update the question presently with the missing info.
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 19:09













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Your answer is not valid, since you don't even mention $F^4/ker T$ in it. An explicit isomorphism would be$$begin{array}{rccc}Psicolon&F^4/ker T&longrightarrow&F^2\&begin{pmatrix}a\b\c\dend{pmatrix}+ker T&mapsto&Tbegin{pmatrix}a\b\c\dend{pmatrix}.end{array}$$






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Your answer is not valid, since you don't even mention $F^4/ker T$ in it. An explicit isomorphism would be$$begin{array}{rccc}Psicolon&F^4/ker T&longrightarrow&F^2\&begin{pmatrix}a\b\c\dend{pmatrix}+ker T&mapsto&Tbegin{pmatrix}a\b\c\dend{pmatrix}.end{array}$$







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  • Forgive me, I’m confused. Can you explain in more detail why, if I did mention what I didn’t mention, why it’s still not a valid answer? An why yours is a valid explicit isomorphism?
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 19:02












  • FIrst of all, there are two maps called $T$ in your answer. Not a good idea. Besides, you just claim that the domain of your second $T$ is $F^4/ker T$, but it is actually a subspace of $F^4$.
    – José Carlos Santos
    Nov 17 at 19:06












  • Oh, you’re right. This exercise was a follow up to a previous exercise with defined $T$ such that the quotient space ended up being what I represented. I will update the question presently with the missing info.
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 19:09


















  • Forgive me, I’m confused. Can you explain in more detail why, if I did mention what I didn’t mention, why it’s still not a valid answer? An why yours is a valid explicit isomorphism?
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 19:02












  • FIrst of all, there are two maps called $T$ in your answer. Not a good idea. Besides, you just claim that the domain of your second $T$ is $F^4/ker T$, but it is actually a subspace of $F^4$.
    – José Carlos Santos
    Nov 17 at 19:06












  • Oh, you’re right. This exercise was a follow up to a previous exercise with defined $T$ such that the quotient space ended up being what I represented. I will update the question presently with the missing info.
    – sangstar
    Nov 17 at 19:09
















Forgive me, I’m confused. Can you explain in more detail why, if I did mention what I didn’t mention, why it’s still not a valid answer? An why yours is a valid explicit isomorphism?
– sangstar
Nov 17 at 19:02






Forgive me, I’m confused. Can you explain in more detail why, if I did mention what I didn’t mention, why it’s still not a valid answer? An why yours is a valid explicit isomorphism?
– sangstar
Nov 17 at 19:02














FIrst of all, there are two maps called $T$ in your answer. Not a good idea. Besides, you just claim that the domain of your second $T$ is $F^4/ker T$, but it is actually a subspace of $F^4$.
– José Carlos Santos
Nov 17 at 19:06






FIrst of all, there are two maps called $T$ in your answer. Not a good idea. Besides, you just claim that the domain of your second $T$ is $F^4/ker T$, but it is actually a subspace of $F^4$.
– José Carlos Santos
Nov 17 at 19:06














Oh, you’re right. This exercise was a follow up to a previous exercise with defined $T$ such that the quotient space ended up being what I represented. I will update the question presently with the missing info.
– sangstar
Nov 17 at 19:09




Oh, you’re right. This exercise was a follow up to a previous exercise with defined $T$ such that the quotient space ended up being what I represented. I will update the question presently with the missing info.
– sangstar
Nov 17 at 19:09


















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