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Two points are selected randomly on a line of length $L$ so as to be on opposite sides of the midpoint of the line. Find the probability that the distance between them is greater than $L/3$.
I was able to figure out that one point will be uniformly distributed on $(0,L/2)$ and the other on $(L/2,L)$, but I don’t know how to proceed further.
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Two points are selected randomly on a line of length $L$ so as to be on opposite sides of the midpoint of the line. Find the probability that the distance between them is greater than $L/3$.
I was able to figure out that one point will be uniformly distributed on $(0,L/2)$ and the other on $(L/2,L)$, but I don’t know how to proceed further.
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Two points are selected randomly on a line of length $L$ so as to be on opposite sides of the midpoint of the line. Find the probability that the distance between them is greater than $L/3$.
I was able to figure out that one point will be uniformly distributed on $(0,L/2)$ and the other on $(L/2,L)$, but I don’t know how to proceed further.
probability probability-distributions random-variables
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Two points are selected randomly on a line of length $L$ so as to be on opposite sides of the midpoint of the line. Find the probability that the distance between them is greater than $L/3$.
I was able to figure out that one point will be uniformly distributed on $(0,L/2)$ and the other on $(L/2,L)$, but I don’t know how to proceed further.
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edited Dec 3 '18 at 12:18
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Analytic solution. Let $x$ and $y$ be the points in $[0,L]$ such that $0le xle frac L2le yle L$. The PDF is $f(x,y)=frac{4}{L^2}$. We need to find $Pleft(y-xge frac L3right)$.
Note that $y-xge frac L3 Rightarrow yge x+frac L3ge frac L2 Rightarrow xge frac L6$. Hence, we can divide $x$ into two intervals:
$$begin{cases}0le xle frac L6\ frac L2le yle Lend{cases}
text{or} begin{cases}frac L6le xle frac L2\ x+frac L3le yle Lend{cases}$$
The required probability is:
$$begin{align}Pleft(y-xge frac L3right)&=int_0^{L/6} int_{L/2}^{L} frac 4{L^2} dydx+int_{L/6}^{L/2} int_{x+L/3}^{L} frac 4{L^2} dydx=\
&=frac13+frac49=\
&=frac79.end{align}$$
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@DavidK, thank you, corrected.
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– farruhota
Dec 3 '18 at 17:05
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WLOG we can assume $L=6$. Let $x$ be coordinate of the left point and $y$ of the right.
Then the sample space is $$Omega = {(x,y);;xin [0,3];;yin [3,6]}$$
and the event is $$A = {(x,y)inOmega;; ygeq x+2}$$
so we have a picture:
Now $$P(A) = {Area (A)over Area(Omega)} = {7over 9}$$
Edit: Yes I missed 3 left squares.
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Wow, this is a really interesting and different approach, thanks man, although the answer given is 7/9, so maybe you’re a little off?
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:20
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Call the positions of the points on the line $X_1$ and $X_2$. You have three cases:
- Case 1: $X_1in [0,L/6]$, in which case the condition is respected. Add the probability of that to your total.
- Case 2: $X_2in [5L/6,L]$, in which case the condition is also respected. Add the probability of that to your total (taking care to subtract the intersection of "Case 1" with "Case 2" so you don't double count it).
- Case 3: All other cases. Here I'd think of $X_1$ having a specific value, then find the probability that $X_2$ is placed so that the condition is respected as a function of $X_1$. To make this easy (so you don't have to normalize your probability later), think of the your line being placed in a coordinate system so that $L/6$ is on the point $-1$, $L/2$ is on $0$, and $5L/6$ is on $1$. Finally, integrate over all the values $X_1$ can take. Multiply by the probability that we are in "Case 3", and add to your total.
I find the probability of success to be 7/9 with this method. Do you?
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I don’t really get it completely, especially the third case.
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:26
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Looking at @greedoid 's solution you can see graphically the cases I'm counting : case 1 are the three squares on the left, case 2 the three squares on the top (don't double count the top-left corner!) and case 3 is the green triangle that's left over.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:05
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Concerning case 3, I'm saying that you should place $L$ in whichever coordinate system makes your life easy. In this coordinate system $X_1$ is the position of the first point, $a$ and $b$ the minimum and maximum values it can take on in case 3. Evaluate $int^b_a p_S(X_1) dX_1$ where $p_S$ is the probability of success for a fixed value of $X_1$. Make sure you normalize, i.e. $int^b_a 1 dX_1$ should equal $1$.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:15
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ok i got it now, thanks
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 10:07
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If you've already figured out the probability that the distance is greater than half the total length of the segment, you can apply that fact to the segment between $L/6$ and $5L/6,$ multiply by the probability that both points are in that segment, and that's case 3.
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Analytic solution. Let $x$ and $y$ be the points in $[0,L]$ such that $0le xle frac L2le yle L$. The PDF is $f(x,y)=frac{4}{L^2}$. We need to find $Pleft(y-xge frac L3right)$.
Note that $y-xge frac L3 Rightarrow yge x+frac L3ge frac L2 Rightarrow xge frac L6$. Hence, we can divide $x$ into two intervals:
$$begin{cases}0le xle frac L6\ frac L2le yle Lend{cases}
text{or} begin{cases}frac L6le xle frac L2\ x+frac L3le yle Lend{cases}$$
The required probability is:
$$begin{align}Pleft(y-xge frac L3right)&=int_0^{L/6} int_{L/2}^{L} frac 4{L^2} dydx+int_{L/6}^{L/2} int_{x+L/3}^{L} frac 4{L^2} dydx=\
&=frac13+frac49=\
&=frac79.end{align}$$
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@DavidK, thank you, corrected.
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– farruhota
Dec 3 '18 at 17:05
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Analytic solution. Let $x$ and $y$ be the points in $[0,L]$ such that $0le xle frac L2le yle L$. The PDF is $f(x,y)=frac{4}{L^2}$. We need to find $Pleft(y-xge frac L3right)$.
Note that $y-xge frac L3 Rightarrow yge x+frac L3ge frac L2 Rightarrow xge frac L6$. Hence, we can divide $x$ into two intervals:
$$begin{cases}0le xle frac L6\ frac L2le yle Lend{cases}
text{or} begin{cases}frac L6le xle frac L2\ x+frac L3le yle Lend{cases}$$
The required probability is:
$$begin{align}Pleft(y-xge frac L3right)&=int_0^{L/6} int_{L/2}^{L} frac 4{L^2} dydx+int_{L/6}^{L/2} int_{x+L/3}^{L} frac 4{L^2} dydx=\
&=frac13+frac49=\
&=frac79.end{align}$$
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@DavidK, thank you, corrected.
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– farruhota
Dec 3 '18 at 17:05
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Analytic solution. Let $x$ and $y$ be the points in $[0,L]$ such that $0le xle frac L2le yle L$. The PDF is $f(x,y)=frac{4}{L^2}$. We need to find $Pleft(y-xge frac L3right)$.
Note that $y-xge frac L3 Rightarrow yge x+frac L3ge frac L2 Rightarrow xge frac L6$. Hence, we can divide $x$ into two intervals:
$$begin{cases}0le xle frac L6\ frac L2le yle Lend{cases}
text{or} begin{cases}frac L6le xle frac L2\ x+frac L3le yle Lend{cases}$$
The required probability is:
$$begin{align}Pleft(y-xge frac L3right)&=int_0^{L/6} int_{L/2}^{L} frac 4{L^2} dydx+int_{L/6}^{L/2} int_{x+L/3}^{L} frac 4{L^2} dydx=\
&=frac13+frac49=\
&=frac79.end{align}$$
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Analytic solution. Let $x$ and $y$ be the points in $[0,L]$ such that $0le xle frac L2le yle L$. The PDF is $f(x,y)=frac{4}{L^2}$. We need to find $Pleft(y-xge frac L3right)$.
Note that $y-xge frac L3 Rightarrow yge x+frac L3ge frac L2 Rightarrow xge frac L6$. Hence, we can divide $x$ into two intervals:
$$begin{cases}0le xle frac L6\ frac L2le yle Lend{cases}
text{or} begin{cases}frac L6le xle frac L2\ x+frac L3le yle Lend{cases}$$
The required probability is:
$$begin{align}Pleft(y-xge frac L3right)&=int_0^{L/6} int_{L/2}^{L} frac 4{L^2} dydx+int_{L/6}^{L/2} int_{x+L/3}^{L} frac 4{L^2} dydx=\
&=frac13+frac49=\
&=frac79.end{align}$$
edited Dec 3 '18 at 17:04
answered Dec 2 '18 at 14:23
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@DavidK, thank you, corrected.
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– farruhota
Dec 3 '18 at 17:05
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@DavidK, thank you, corrected.
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– farruhota
Dec 3 '18 at 17:05
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@DavidK, thank you, corrected.
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– farruhota
Dec 3 '18 at 17:05
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@DavidK, thank you, corrected.
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WLOG we can assume $L=6$. Let $x$ be coordinate of the left point and $y$ of the right.
Then the sample space is $$Omega = {(x,y);;xin [0,3];;yin [3,6]}$$
and the event is $$A = {(x,y)inOmega;; ygeq x+2}$$
so we have a picture:
Now $$P(A) = {Area (A)over Area(Omega)} = {7over 9}$$
Edit: Yes I missed 3 left squares.
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Wow, this is a really interesting and different approach, thanks man, although the answer given is 7/9, so maybe you’re a little off?
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:20
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WLOG we can assume $L=6$. Let $x$ be coordinate of the left point and $y$ of the right.
Then the sample space is $$Omega = {(x,y);;xin [0,3];;yin [3,6]}$$
and the event is $$A = {(x,y)inOmega;; ygeq x+2}$$
so we have a picture:
Now $$P(A) = {Area (A)over Area(Omega)} = {7over 9}$$
Edit: Yes I missed 3 left squares.
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Wow, this is a really interesting and different approach, thanks man, although the answer given is 7/9, so maybe you’re a little off?
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:20
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WLOG we can assume $L=6$. Let $x$ be coordinate of the left point and $y$ of the right.
Then the sample space is $$Omega = {(x,y);;xin [0,3];;yin [3,6]}$$
and the event is $$A = {(x,y)inOmega;; ygeq x+2}$$
so we have a picture:
Now $$P(A) = {Area (A)over Area(Omega)} = {7over 9}$$
Edit: Yes I missed 3 left squares.
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WLOG we can assume $L=6$. Let $x$ be coordinate of the left point and $y$ of the right.
Then the sample space is $$Omega = {(x,y);;xin [0,3];;yin [3,6]}$$
and the event is $$A = {(x,y)inOmega;; ygeq x+2}$$
so we have a picture:
Now $$P(A) = {Area (A)over Area(Omega)} = {7over 9}$$
Edit: Yes I missed 3 left squares.
edited Dec 3 '18 at 13:11
answered Dec 2 '18 at 13:34
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Wow, this is a really interesting and different approach, thanks man, although the answer given is 7/9, so maybe you’re a little off?
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:20
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Wow, this is a really interesting and different approach, thanks man, although the answer given is 7/9, so maybe you’re a little off?
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:20
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Wow, this is a really interesting and different approach, thanks man, although the answer given is 7/9, so maybe you’re a little off?
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:20
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Wow, this is a really interesting and different approach, thanks man, although the answer given is 7/9, so maybe you’re a little off?
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:20
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Call the positions of the points on the line $X_1$ and $X_2$. You have three cases:
- Case 1: $X_1in [0,L/6]$, in which case the condition is respected. Add the probability of that to your total.
- Case 2: $X_2in [5L/6,L]$, in which case the condition is also respected. Add the probability of that to your total (taking care to subtract the intersection of "Case 1" with "Case 2" so you don't double count it).
- Case 3: All other cases. Here I'd think of $X_1$ having a specific value, then find the probability that $X_2$ is placed so that the condition is respected as a function of $X_1$. To make this easy (so you don't have to normalize your probability later), think of the your line being placed in a coordinate system so that $L/6$ is on the point $-1$, $L/2$ is on $0$, and $5L/6$ is on $1$. Finally, integrate over all the values $X_1$ can take. Multiply by the probability that we are in "Case 3", and add to your total.
I find the probability of success to be 7/9 with this method. Do you?
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I don’t really get it completely, especially the third case.
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:26
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Looking at @greedoid 's solution you can see graphically the cases I'm counting : case 1 are the three squares on the left, case 2 the three squares on the top (don't double count the top-left corner!) and case 3 is the green triangle that's left over.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:05
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Concerning case 3, I'm saying that you should place $L$ in whichever coordinate system makes your life easy. In this coordinate system $X_1$ is the position of the first point, $a$ and $b$ the minimum and maximum values it can take on in case 3. Evaluate $int^b_a p_S(X_1) dX_1$ where $p_S$ is the probability of success for a fixed value of $X_1$. Make sure you normalize, i.e. $int^b_a 1 dX_1$ should equal $1$.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:15
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ok i got it now, thanks
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 10:07
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If you've already figured out the probability that the distance is greater than half the total length of the segment, you can apply that fact to the segment between $L/6$ and $5L/6,$ multiply by the probability that both points are in that segment, and that's case 3.
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– David K
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Call the positions of the points on the line $X_1$ and $X_2$. You have three cases:
- Case 1: $X_1in [0,L/6]$, in which case the condition is respected. Add the probability of that to your total.
- Case 2: $X_2in [5L/6,L]$, in which case the condition is also respected. Add the probability of that to your total (taking care to subtract the intersection of "Case 1" with "Case 2" so you don't double count it).
- Case 3: All other cases. Here I'd think of $X_1$ having a specific value, then find the probability that $X_2$ is placed so that the condition is respected as a function of $X_1$. To make this easy (so you don't have to normalize your probability later), think of the your line being placed in a coordinate system so that $L/6$ is on the point $-1$, $L/2$ is on $0$, and $5L/6$ is on $1$. Finally, integrate over all the values $X_1$ can take. Multiply by the probability that we are in "Case 3", and add to your total.
I find the probability of success to be 7/9 with this method. Do you?
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I don’t really get it completely, especially the third case.
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:26
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Looking at @greedoid 's solution you can see graphically the cases I'm counting : case 1 are the three squares on the left, case 2 the three squares on the top (don't double count the top-left corner!) and case 3 is the green triangle that's left over.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:05
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Concerning case 3, I'm saying that you should place $L$ in whichever coordinate system makes your life easy. In this coordinate system $X_1$ is the position of the first point, $a$ and $b$ the minimum and maximum values it can take on in case 3. Evaluate $int^b_a p_S(X_1) dX_1$ where $p_S$ is the probability of success for a fixed value of $X_1$. Make sure you normalize, i.e. $int^b_a 1 dX_1$ should equal $1$.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:15
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ok i got it now, thanks
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 10:07
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If you've already figured out the probability that the distance is greater than half the total length of the segment, you can apply that fact to the segment between $L/6$ and $5L/6,$ multiply by the probability that both points are in that segment, and that's case 3.
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– David K
Dec 3 '18 at 13:56
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Call the positions of the points on the line $X_1$ and $X_2$. You have three cases:
- Case 1: $X_1in [0,L/6]$, in which case the condition is respected. Add the probability of that to your total.
- Case 2: $X_2in [5L/6,L]$, in which case the condition is also respected. Add the probability of that to your total (taking care to subtract the intersection of "Case 1" with "Case 2" so you don't double count it).
- Case 3: All other cases. Here I'd think of $X_1$ having a specific value, then find the probability that $X_2$ is placed so that the condition is respected as a function of $X_1$. To make this easy (so you don't have to normalize your probability later), think of the your line being placed in a coordinate system so that $L/6$ is on the point $-1$, $L/2$ is on $0$, and $5L/6$ is on $1$. Finally, integrate over all the values $X_1$ can take. Multiply by the probability that we are in "Case 3", and add to your total.
I find the probability of success to be 7/9 with this method. Do you?
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Call the positions of the points on the line $X_1$ and $X_2$. You have three cases:
- Case 1: $X_1in [0,L/6]$, in which case the condition is respected. Add the probability of that to your total.
- Case 2: $X_2in [5L/6,L]$, in which case the condition is also respected. Add the probability of that to your total (taking care to subtract the intersection of "Case 1" with "Case 2" so you don't double count it).
- Case 3: All other cases. Here I'd think of $X_1$ having a specific value, then find the probability that $X_2$ is placed so that the condition is respected as a function of $X_1$. To make this easy (so you don't have to normalize your probability later), think of the your line being placed in a coordinate system so that $L/6$ is on the point $-1$, $L/2$ is on $0$, and $5L/6$ is on $1$. Finally, integrate over all the values $X_1$ can take. Multiply by the probability that we are in "Case 3", and add to your total.
I find the probability of success to be 7/9 with this method. Do you?
edited Dec 2 '18 at 13:12
answered Dec 2 '18 at 12:19
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I don’t really get it completely, especially the third case.
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:26
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Looking at @greedoid 's solution you can see graphically the cases I'm counting : case 1 are the three squares on the left, case 2 the three squares on the top (don't double count the top-left corner!) and case 3 is the green triangle that's left over.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:05
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Concerning case 3, I'm saying that you should place $L$ in whichever coordinate system makes your life easy. In this coordinate system $X_1$ is the position of the first point, $a$ and $b$ the minimum and maximum values it can take on in case 3. Evaluate $int^b_a p_S(X_1) dX_1$ where $p_S$ is the probability of success for a fixed value of $X_1$. Make sure you normalize, i.e. $int^b_a 1 dX_1$ should equal $1$.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:15
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ok i got it now, thanks
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 10:07
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If you've already figured out the probability that the distance is greater than half the total length of the segment, you can apply that fact to the segment between $L/6$ and $5L/6,$ multiply by the probability that both points are in that segment, and that's case 3.
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– David K
Dec 3 '18 at 13:56
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I don’t really get it completely, especially the third case.
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:26
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Looking at @greedoid 's solution you can see graphically the cases I'm counting : case 1 are the three squares on the left, case 2 the three squares on the top (don't double count the top-left corner!) and case 3 is the green triangle that's left over.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:05
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Concerning case 3, I'm saying that you should place $L$ in whichever coordinate system makes your life easy. In this coordinate system $X_1$ is the position of the first point, $a$ and $b$ the minimum and maximum values it can take on in case 3. Evaluate $int^b_a p_S(X_1) dX_1$ where $p_S$ is the probability of success for a fixed value of $X_1$. Make sure you normalize, i.e. $int^b_a 1 dX_1$ should equal $1$.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:15
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ok i got it now, thanks
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 10:07
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If you've already figured out the probability that the distance is greater than half the total length of the segment, you can apply that fact to the segment between $L/6$ and $5L/6,$ multiply by the probability that both points are in that segment, and that's case 3.
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– David K
Dec 3 '18 at 13:56
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I don’t really get it completely, especially the third case.
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:26
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I don’t really get it completely, especially the third case.
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 1:26
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Looking at @greedoid 's solution you can see graphically the cases I'm counting : case 1 are the three squares on the left, case 2 the three squares on the top (don't double count the top-left corner!) and case 3 is the green triangle that's left over.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:05
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Looking at @greedoid 's solution you can see graphically the cases I'm counting : case 1 are the three squares on the left, case 2 the three squares on the top (don't double count the top-left corner!) and case 3 is the green triangle that's left over.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:05
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Concerning case 3, I'm saying that you should place $L$ in whichever coordinate system makes your life easy. In this coordinate system $X_1$ is the position of the first point, $a$ and $b$ the minimum and maximum values it can take on in case 3. Evaluate $int^b_a p_S(X_1) dX_1$ where $p_S$ is the probability of success for a fixed value of $X_1$. Make sure you normalize, i.e. $int^b_a 1 dX_1$ should equal $1$.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:15
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Concerning case 3, I'm saying that you should place $L$ in whichever coordinate system makes your life easy. In this coordinate system $X_1$ is the position of the first point, $a$ and $b$ the minimum and maximum values it can take on in case 3. Evaluate $int^b_a p_S(X_1) dX_1$ where $p_S$ is the probability of success for a fixed value of $X_1$. Make sure you normalize, i.e. $int^b_a 1 dX_1$ should equal $1$.
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– Jeffery
Dec 3 '18 at 8:15
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ok i got it now, thanks
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 10:07
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ok i got it now, thanks
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– user601297
Dec 3 '18 at 10:07
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If you've already figured out the probability that the distance is greater than half the total length of the segment, you can apply that fact to the segment between $L/6$ and $5L/6,$ multiply by the probability that both points are in that segment, and that's case 3.
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– David K
Dec 3 '18 at 13:56
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If you've already figured out the probability that the distance is greater than half the total length of the segment, you can apply that fact to the segment between $L/6$ and $5L/6,$ multiply by the probability that both points are in that segment, and that's case 3.
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– David K
Dec 3 '18 at 13:56
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