How far will the debris cloud from Hayabusa-2's touch-and-go sample recovery travel around Ryugu? Will any...
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HAYABUSA2 MOMENT OF TOUCHDOWN
This animation, extracted from a longer video, shows the moment of Hayabusa2's 21 February 2019 touchdown on asteroid Ryugu. JAXA
Source: Planetary Society's Watch Hayabusa2's incredible touchdown on asteroid Ryugu
The video below and GIF above show jAXA's Hayabusa-2 touch-and-go landing and sample collection from the asteroid Ryugu.
Will all the debris settle back down to the surface quickly, or could some be transported far away or to the other side of the asteroid?
How likely is it that some could have reached escape velocity relative to Ryugu?
The impactor probably had quite a large velocity and the recoil objects will be much slower. Is there anything known about the velocity of the debris? Can it be estimated from the video and then compared to the escape velocity from Ryugu's mass and size?
From Asteroid explorer, Hayabusa2, reporter briefing March 5, 2019, JAXA Hayabusa2 Project:
Slide 22:
- Hayabusa2 moves to the final descent position using
the TM, while maintaining the immediate below point
altitude of 8.5m.
- At the final descent position, after changing the attitude of the spacecraft (tail up) ( in the figure), the final descent ⊿V (about 7cm/s downwards) is performed, then free-fall to touchdown.
- Continuous imaging with CAM-H starts from 59s before the final descent ⊿V.
- Automatic sequence capture at 0.2fps (85 sec) ⇒1fps (86 sec)⇒2fps (25 sec)⇒1fps (64 sec)⇒0.2fps(85 sec)
orbital-mechanics gravity hayabusa2 ryugu
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HAYABUSA2 MOMENT OF TOUCHDOWN
This animation, extracted from a longer video, shows the moment of Hayabusa2's 21 February 2019 touchdown on asteroid Ryugu. JAXA
Source: Planetary Society's Watch Hayabusa2's incredible touchdown on asteroid Ryugu
The video below and GIF above show jAXA's Hayabusa-2 touch-and-go landing and sample collection from the asteroid Ryugu.
Will all the debris settle back down to the surface quickly, or could some be transported far away or to the other side of the asteroid?
How likely is it that some could have reached escape velocity relative to Ryugu?
The impactor probably had quite a large velocity and the recoil objects will be much slower. Is there anything known about the velocity of the debris? Can it be estimated from the video and then compared to the escape velocity from Ryugu's mass and size?
From Asteroid explorer, Hayabusa2, reporter briefing March 5, 2019, JAXA Hayabusa2 Project:
Slide 22:
- Hayabusa2 moves to the final descent position using
the TM, while maintaining the immediate below point
altitude of 8.5m.
- At the final descent position, after changing the attitude of the spacecraft (tail up) ( in the figure), the final descent ⊿V (about 7cm/s downwards) is performed, then free-fall to touchdown.
- Continuous imaging with CAM-H starts from 59s before the final descent ⊿V.
- Automatic sequence capture at 0.2fps (85 sec) ⇒1fps (86 sec)⇒2fps (25 sec)⇒1fps (64 sec)⇒0.2fps(85 sec)
orbital-mechanics gravity hayabusa2 ryugu
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I thought this would be a relatively easy task, but what with the low frame rate and the difficulty distinguishing between particles and their shadows, I'm having trouble tracking anything to get a reliable velocity measurement!
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– Jack
Mar 6 at 10:15
1
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I think that edit and link were meant for a different comment? I bet JAXA will be working hard on some ejecta distributions so they can estimate how much material the sampler collected, so hopefully we'll see some better result than mine soon!
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– Jack
Mar 6 at 13:18
1
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@Jack yes my goodness you are right, the amendment to the comment was meant for somewhere here instead. I think it's had it's desired effect nonetheless, thanks for the great answer!
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– uhoh
Mar 6 at 13:24
add a comment |
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HAYABUSA2 MOMENT OF TOUCHDOWN
This animation, extracted from a longer video, shows the moment of Hayabusa2's 21 February 2019 touchdown on asteroid Ryugu. JAXA
Source: Planetary Society's Watch Hayabusa2's incredible touchdown on asteroid Ryugu
The video below and GIF above show jAXA's Hayabusa-2 touch-and-go landing and sample collection from the asteroid Ryugu.
Will all the debris settle back down to the surface quickly, or could some be transported far away or to the other side of the asteroid?
How likely is it that some could have reached escape velocity relative to Ryugu?
The impactor probably had quite a large velocity and the recoil objects will be much slower. Is there anything known about the velocity of the debris? Can it be estimated from the video and then compared to the escape velocity from Ryugu's mass and size?
From Asteroid explorer, Hayabusa2, reporter briefing March 5, 2019, JAXA Hayabusa2 Project:
Slide 22:
- Hayabusa2 moves to the final descent position using
the TM, while maintaining the immediate below point
altitude of 8.5m.
- At the final descent position, after changing the attitude of the spacecraft (tail up) ( in the figure), the final descent ⊿V (about 7cm/s downwards) is performed, then free-fall to touchdown.
- Continuous imaging with CAM-H starts from 59s before the final descent ⊿V.
- Automatic sequence capture at 0.2fps (85 sec) ⇒1fps (86 sec)⇒2fps (25 sec)⇒1fps (64 sec)⇒0.2fps(85 sec)
orbital-mechanics gravity hayabusa2 ryugu
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HAYABUSA2 MOMENT OF TOUCHDOWN
This animation, extracted from a longer video, shows the moment of Hayabusa2's 21 February 2019 touchdown on asteroid Ryugu. JAXA
Source: Planetary Society's Watch Hayabusa2's incredible touchdown on asteroid Ryugu
The video below and GIF above show jAXA's Hayabusa-2 touch-and-go landing and sample collection from the asteroid Ryugu.
Will all the debris settle back down to the surface quickly, or could some be transported far away or to the other side of the asteroid?
How likely is it that some could have reached escape velocity relative to Ryugu?
The impactor probably had quite a large velocity and the recoil objects will be much slower. Is there anything known about the velocity of the debris? Can it be estimated from the video and then compared to the escape velocity from Ryugu's mass and size?
From Asteroid explorer, Hayabusa2, reporter briefing March 5, 2019, JAXA Hayabusa2 Project:
Slide 22:
- Hayabusa2 moves to the final descent position using
the TM, while maintaining the immediate below point
altitude of 8.5m.
- At the final descent position, after changing the attitude of the spacecraft (tail up) ( in the figure), the final descent ⊿V (about 7cm/s downwards) is performed, then free-fall to touchdown.
- Continuous imaging with CAM-H starts from 59s before the final descent ⊿V.
- Automatic sequence capture at 0.2fps (85 sec) ⇒1fps (86 sec)⇒2fps (25 sec)⇒1fps (64 sec)⇒0.2fps(85 sec)
orbital-mechanics gravity hayabusa2 ryugu
orbital-mechanics gravity hayabusa2 ryugu
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I thought this would be a relatively easy task, but what with the low frame rate and the difficulty distinguishing between particles and their shadows, I'm having trouble tracking anything to get a reliable velocity measurement!
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– Jack
Mar 6 at 10:15
1
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I think that edit and link were meant for a different comment? I bet JAXA will be working hard on some ejecta distributions so they can estimate how much material the sampler collected, so hopefully we'll see some better result than mine soon!
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– Jack
Mar 6 at 13:18
1
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@Jack yes my goodness you are right, the amendment to the comment was meant for somewhere here instead. I think it's had it's desired effect nonetheless, thanks for the great answer!
$endgroup$
– uhoh
Mar 6 at 13:24
add a comment |
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I thought this would be a relatively easy task, but what with the low frame rate and the difficulty distinguishing between particles and their shadows, I'm having trouble tracking anything to get a reliable velocity measurement!
$endgroup$
– Jack
Mar 6 at 10:15
1
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I think that edit and link were meant for a different comment? I bet JAXA will be working hard on some ejecta distributions so they can estimate how much material the sampler collected, so hopefully we'll see some better result than mine soon!
$endgroup$
– Jack
Mar 6 at 13:18
1
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@Jack yes my goodness you are right, the amendment to the comment was meant for somewhere here instead. I think it's had it's desired effect nonetheless, thanks for the great answer!
$endgroup$
– uhoh
Mar 6 at 13:24
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I thought this would be a relatively easy task, but what with the low frame rate and the difficulty distinguishing between particles and their shadows, I'm having trouble tracking anything to get a reliable velocity measurement!
$endgroup$
– Jack
Mar 6 at 10:15
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I thought this would be a relatively easy task, but what with the low frame rate and the difficulty distinguishing between particles and their shadows, I'm having trouble tracking anything to get a reliable velocity measurement!
$endgroup$
– Jack
Mar 6 at 10:15
1
1
$begingroup$
I think that edit and link were meant for a different comment? I bet JAXA will be working hard on some ejecta distributions so they can estimate how much material the sampler collected, so hopefully we'll see some better result than mine soon!
$endgroup$
– Jack
Mar 6 at 13:18
$begingroup$
I think that edit and link were meant for a different comment? I bet JAXA will be working hard on some ejecta distributions so they can estimate how much material the sampler collected, so hopefully we'll see some better result than mine soon!
$endgroup$
– Jack
Mar 6 at 13:18
1
1
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@Jack yes my goodness you are right, the amendment to the comment was meant for somewhere here instead. I think it's had it's desired effect nonetheless, thanks for the great answer!
$endgroup$
– uhoh
Mar 6 at 13:24
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@Jack yes my goodness you are right, the amendment to the comment was meant for somewhere here instead. I think it's had it's desired effect nonetheless, thanks for the great answer!
$endgroup$
– uhoh
Mar 6 at 13:24
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Fair warning: here be approximations.
An example rock
A frame-by-frame review of the footage annotated below shows us a small rock (circled in red) moving across the view a short time after the touchdown. The distance to its shadow (circled in green) appears to remain roughly constant, implying it moves roughly parallel to the ground.
Using the shadows of the craft's solar arrays (edges marked in blue) and the size of the individual panels ~1.4m, we can approximate the distance travelled by the rock's shadow over the surface (green line). This approximation was made with the very rigorous method of a ruler-on-monitor.
The shadow moves ~2.1m over the course of 12 frames between the images. During this portion of the footage, the frame rate was 2fps, giving the time taken as 6 seconds and a velocity of ~0.35$ms^{-1}$
Escape velocity
Ryugu's mass is ~450 million tons, giving $ GM approx30m^{3}s^{-2}$.
Hayabusa2's landing site L08-E1 is very close to the equator, giving it an elevation of around +70m above Ryugu's mean radius of ~450m. This page has some great detail on the selection process for the landing site.
Thus we can calculate an escape velocity at the landing site:
$$v_{e} = sqrt{frac{2GM}{r}} = sqrt{frac{2times30}{450 + 70}}ms^{-1} approx 0.3ms^{-1}$$
So surprisingly enough, this example actually has approximately escape velocity!
Various studies (eg Hartmann 1985, Tsujido 2015 - both paywalled) find that for high-velocity impacts ~5% of the ejected mass can be expected to be moving at ~10% of the impactor velocity. In Hayabusa2's case, the impactor has a velocity of 2km/s, implying some of the ejected material may leave at ~200m/s - well in excess of escape velocity.
I also suspect much of the movement of debris is caused by the craft's propulsion rather than the impactor - 4 bi-propellant thrusters with an exhaust velocity of ~2800m/s.
So it can be said with some confidence that much of the debris will escape Ryugu and enter heliocentric orbit.
At the time of landing, the Sun was overhead. I would guess that the distribution of velocities would be fairly uniform around the hemisphere directed away from the surface, so the final orbits of the particles would reflect such.
All images from JAXA
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wow, nice work!
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– uhoh
Mar 6 at 12:09
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I question whether you circled a ground shadow. The falling chips are shaded by the craft until they move far enough toward upper left. Ground shadows of any chips would be very small.
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Mar 6 at 23:13
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Fair warning: here be approximations.
An example rock
A frame-by-frame review of the footage annotated below shows us a small rock (circled in red) moving across the view a short time after the touchdown. The distance to its shadow (circled in green) appears to remain roughly constant, implying it moves roughly parallel to the ground.
Using the shadows of the craft's solar arrays (edges marked in blue) and the size of the individual panels ~1.4m, we can approximate the distance travelled by the rock's shadow over the surface (green line). This approximation was made with the very rigorous method of a ruler-on-monitor.
The shadow moves ~2.1m over the course of 12 frames between the images. During this portion of the footage, the frame rate was 2fps, giving the time taken as 6 seconds and a velocity of ~0.35$ms^{-1}$
Escape velocity
Ryugu's mass is ~450 million tons, giving $ GM approx30m^{3}s^{-2}$.
Hayabusa2's landing site L08-E1 is very close to the equator, giving it an elevation of around +70m above Ryugu's mean radius of ~450m. This page has some great detail on the selection process for the landing site.
Thus we can calculate an escape velocity at the landing site:
$$v_{e} = sqrt{frac{2GM}{r}} = sqrt{frac{2times30}{450 + 70}}ms^{-1} approx 0.3ms^{-1}$$
So surprisingly enough, this example actually has approximately escape velocity!
Various studies (eg Hartmann 1985, Tsujido 2015 - both paywalled) find that for high-velocity impacts ~5% of the ejected mass can be expected to be moving at ~10% of the impactor velocity. In Hayabusa2's case, the impactor has a velocity of 2km/s, implying some of the ejected material may leave at ~200m/s - well in excess of escape velocity.
I also suspect much of the movement of debris is caused by the craft's propulsion rather than the impactor - 4 bi-propellant thrusters with an exhaust velocity of ~2800m/s.
So it can be said with some confidence that much of the debris will escape Ryugu and enter heliocentric orbit.
At the time of landing, the Sun was overhead. I would guess that the distribution of velocities would be fairly uniform around the hemisphere directed away from the surface, so the final orbits of the particles would reflect such.
All images from JAXA
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4
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wow, nice work!
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– uhoh
Mar 6 at 12:09
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I question whether you circled a ground shadow. The falling chips are shaded by the craft until they move far enough toward upper left. Ground shadows of any chips would be very small.
$endgroup$
– amI
Mar 6 at 23:13
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Fair warning: here be approximations.
An example rock
A frame-by-frame review of the footage annotated below shows us a small rock (circled in red) moving across the view a short time after the touchdown. The distance to its shadow (circled in green) appears to remain roughly constant, implying it moves roughly parallel to the ground.
Using the shadows of the craft's solar arrays (edges marked in blue) and the size of the individual panels ~1.4m, we can approximate the distance travelled by the rock's shadow over the surface (green line). This approximation was made with the very rigorous method of a ruler-on-monitor.
The shadow moves ~2.1m over the course of 12 frames between the images. During this portion of the footage, the frame rate was 2fps, giving the time taken as 6 seconds and a velocity of ~0.35$ms^{-1}$
Escape velocity
Ryugu's mass is ~450 million tons, giving $ GM approx30m^{3}s^{-2}$.
Hayabusa2's landing site L08-E1 is very close to the equator, giving it an elevation of around +70m above Ryugu's mean radius of ~450m. This page has some great detail on the selection process for the landing site.
Thus we can calculate an escape velocity at the landing site:
$$v_{e} = sqrt{frac{2GM}{r}} = sqrt{frac{2times30}{450 + 70}}ms^{-1} approx 0.3ms^{-1}$$
So surprisingly enough, this example actually has approximately escape velocity!
Various studies (eg Hartmann 1985, Tsujido 2015 - both paywalled) find that for high-velocity impacts ~5% of the ejected mass can be expected to be moving at ~10% of the impactor velocity. In Hayabusa2's case, the impactor has a velocity of 2km/s, implying some of the ejected material may leave at ~200m/s - well in excess of escape velocity.
I also suspect much of the movement of debris is caused by the craft's propulsion rather than the impactor - 4 bi-propellant thrusters with an exhaust velocity of ~2800m/s.
So it can be said with some confidence that much of the debris will escape Ryugu and enter heliocentric orbit.
At the time of landing, the Sun was overhead. I would guess that the distribution of velocities would be fairly uniform around the hemisphere directed away from the surface, so the final orbits of the particles would reflect such.
All images from JAXA
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4
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wow, nice work!
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– uhoh
Mar 6 at 12:09
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I question whether you circled a ground shadow. The falling chips are shaded by the craft until they move far enough toward upper left. Ground shadows of any chips would be very small.
$endgroup$
– amI
Mar 6 at 23:13
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Fair warning: here be approximations.
An example rock
A frame-by-frame review of the footage annotated below shows us a small rock (circled in red) moving across the view a short time after the touchdown. The distance to its shadow (circled in green) appears to remain roughly constant, implying it moves roughly parallel to the ground.
Using the shadows of the craft's solar arrays (edges marked in blue) and the size of the individual panels ~1.4m, we can approximate the distance travelled by the rock's shadow over the surface (green line). This approximation was made with the very rigorous method of a ruler-on-monitor.
The shadow moves ~2.1m over the course of 12 frames between the images. During this portion of the footage, the frame rate was 2fps, giving the time taken as 6 seconds and a velocity of ~0.35$ms^{-1}$
Escape velocity
Ryugu's mass is ~450 million tons, giving $ GM approx30m^{3}s^{-2}$.
Hayabusa2's landing site L08-E1 is very close to the equator, giving it an elevation of around +70m above Ryugu's mean radius of ~450m. This page has some great detail on the selection process for the landing site.
Thus we can calculate an escape velocity at the landing site:
$$v_{e} = sqrt{frac{2GM}{r}} = sqrt{frac{2times30}{450 + 70}}ms^{-1} approx 0.3ms^{-1}$$
So surprisingly enough, this example actually has approximately escape velocity!
Various studies (eg Hartmann 1985, Tsujido 2015 - both paywalled) find that for high-velocity impacts ~5% of the ejected mass can be expected to be moving at ~10% of the impactor velocity. In Hayabusa2's case, the impactor has a velocity of 2km/s, implying some of the ejected material may leave at ~200m/s - well in excess of escape velocity.
I also suspect much of the movement of debris is caused by the craft's propulsion rather than the impactor - 4 bi-propellant thrusters with an exhaust velocity of ~2800m/s.
So it can be said with some confidence that much of the debris will escape Ryugu and enter heliocentric orbit.
At the time of landing, the Sun was overhead. I would guess that the distribution of velocities would be fairly uniform around the hemisphere directed away from the surface, so the final orbits of the particles would reflect such.
All images from JAXA
$endgroup$
Fair warning: here be approximations.
An example rock
A frame-by-frame review of the footage annotated below shows us a small rock (circled in red) moving across the view a short time after the touchdown. The distance to its shadow (circled in green) appears to remain roughly constant, implying it moves roughly parallel to the ground.
Using the shadows of the craft's solar arrays (edges marked in blue) and the size of the individual panels ~1.4m, we can approximate the distance travelled by the rock's shadow over the surface (green line). This approximation was made with the very rigorous method of a ruler-on-monitor.
The shadow moves ~2.1m over the course of 12 frames between the images. During this portion of the footage, the frame rate was 2fps, giving the time taken as 6 seconds and a velocity of ~0.35$ms^{-1}$
Escape velocity
Ryugu's mass is ~450 million tons, giving $ GM approx30m^{3}s^{-2}$.
Hayabusa2's landing site L08-E1 is very close to the equator, giving it an elevation of around +70m above Ryugu's mean radius of ~450m. This page has some great detail on the selection process for the landing site.
Thus we can calculate an escape velocity at the landing site:
$$v_{e} = sqrt{frac{2GM}{r}} = sqrt{frac{2times30}{450 + 70}}ms^{-1} approx 0.3ms^{-1}$$
So surprisingly enough, this example actually has approximately escape velocity!
Various studies (eg Hartmann 1985, Tsujido 2015 - both paywalled) find that for high-velocity impacts ~5% of the ejected mass can be expected to be moving at ~10% of the impactor velocity. In Hayabusa2's case, the impactor has a velocity of 2km/s, implying some of the ejected material may leave at ~200m/s - well in excess of escape velocity.
I also suspect much of the movement of debris is caused by the craft's propulsion rather than the impactor - 4 bi-propellant thrusters with an exhaust velocity of ~2800m/s.
So it can be said with some confidence that much of the debris will escape Ryugu and enter heliocentric orbit.
At the time of landing, the Sun was overhead. I would guess that the distribution of velocities would be fairly uniform around the hemisphere directed away from the surface, so the final orbits of the particles would reflect such.
All images from JAXA
edited Mar 6 at 12:46
answered Mar 6 at 12:00
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wow, nice work!
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– uhoh
Mar 6 at 12:09
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I question whether you circled a ground shadow. The falling chips are shaded by the craft until they move far enough toward upper left. Ground shadows of any chips would be very small.
$endgroup$
– amI
Mar 6 at 23:13
add a comment |
4
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wow, nice work!
$endgroup$
– uhoh
Mar 6 at 12:09
$begingroup$
I question whether you circled a ground shadow. The falling chips are shaded by the craft until they move far enough toward upper left. Ground shadows of any chips would be very small.
$endgroup$
– amI
Mar 6 at 23:13
4
4
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wow, nice work!
$endgroup$
– uhoh
Mar 6 at 12:09
$begingroup$
wow, nice work!
$endgroup$
– uhoh
Mar 6 at 12:09
$begingroup$
I question whether you circled a ground shadow. The falling chips are shaded by the craft until they move far enough toward upper left. Ground shadows of any chips would be very small.
$endgroup$
– amI
Mar 6 at 23:13
$begingroup$
I question whether you circled a ground shadow. The falling chips are shaded by the craft until they move far enough toward upper left. Ground shadows of any chips would be very small.
$endgroup$
– amI
Mar 6 at 23:13
add a comment |
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I thought this would be a relatively easy task, but what with the low frame rate and the difficulty distinguishing between particles and their shadows, I'm having trouble tracking anything to get a reliable velocity measurement!
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– Jack
Mar 6 at 10:15
1
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I think that edit and link were meant for a different comment? I bet JAXA will be working hard on some ejecta distributions so they can estimate how much material the sampler collected, so hopefully we'll see some better result than mine soon!
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– Jack
Mar 6 at 13:18
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@Jack yes my goodness you are right, the amendment to the comment was meant for somewhere here instead. I think it's had it's desired effect nonetheless, thanks for the great answer!
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Mar 6 at 13:24