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I've always been taught that at the end of every network router access control list there is an implicit deny statement.
Question: In such instances if you want other traffic to pass through do you have to put a permit any statement or it will be blocked because of the implicit deny?
I just recently learned there are some routers that implicitly allow all traffic and you have to write deny statements for traffic you don't want to pass through.
I've tried to find information on these router ACL methods but haven't found anything so far. I'm hoping someone can provide some clarity for me on this topic.
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I've always been taught that at the end of every network router access control list there is an implicit deny statement.
Question: In such instances if you want other traffic to pass through do you have to put a permit any statement or it will be blocked because of the implicit deny?
I just recently learned there are some routers that implicitly allow all traffic and you have to write deny statements for traffic you don't want to pass through.
I've tried to find information on these router ACL methods but haven't found anything so far. I'm hoping someone can provide some clarity for me on this topic.
networking router
edited Feb 13 at 2:27
Pimp Juice IT
24.9k114177
asked Feb 10 at 16:09
Euretta WilsonEuretta Wilson
415
closed as off-topic by JakeGould, grawity, Twisty Impersonator, Tim_Stewart, DrMoishe Pippik Feb 11 at 1:44
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The methodology I use in such instances is "block everything and only allow thru what you need allow thru explicitly". I wouldn't worry about trying to find instances of routers that have implicit allow everything ACLs, etc. and would focus more on what you need to configure based on the defaults and such functionality of your make and model specific router.
– Pimp Juice IT
Feb 10 at 17:20
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I've always been taught that at the end of every network router access control list there is an implicit deny statement.
Question: In such instances if you want other traffic to pass through do you have to put a permit any statement or it will be blocked because of the implicit deny?
I just recently learned there are some routers that implicitly allow all traffic and you have to write deny statements for traffic you don't want to pass through.
I've tried to find information on these router ACL methods but haven't found anything so far. I'm hoping someone can provide some clarity for me on this topic.
networking router
edited Feb 13 at 2:27
Pimp Juice IT
24.9k114177
asked Feb 10 at 16:09
Euretta WilsonEuretta Wilson
415
I've always been taught that at the end of every network router access control list there is an implicit deny statement.
Question: In such instances if you want other traffic to pass through do you have to put a permit any statement or it will be blocked because of the implicit deny?
I just recently learned there are some routers that implicitly allow all traffic and you have to write deny statements for traffic you don't want to pass through.
I've tried to find information on these router ACL methods but haven't found anything so far. I'm hoping someone can provide some clarity for me on this topic.
networking router
networking router
edited Feb 13 at 2:27
Pimp Juice IT
24.9k114177
asked Feb 10 at 16:09
Euretta WilsonEuretta Wilson
415
edited Feb 13 at 2:27
Pimp Juice IT
24.9k114177
asked Feb 10 at 16:09
Euretta WilsonEuretta Wilson
415
edited Feb 13 at 2:27
Pimp Juice IT
24.9k114177
edited Feb 13 at 2:27
Pimp Juice IT
24.9k114177
edited Feb 13 at 2:27
Pimp Juice IT
24.9k114177
24.9k114177
asked Feb 10 at 16:09
Euretta WilsonEuretta Wilson
415
asked Feb 10 at 16:09
Euretta WilsonEuretta Wilson
415
asked Feb 10 at 16:09
Euretta WilsonEuretta Wilson
415
415
closed as off-topic by JakeGould, grawity, Twisty Impersonator, Tim_Stewart, DrMoishe Pippik Feb 11 at 1:44
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The methodology I use in such instances is "block everything and only allow thru what you need allow thru explicitly". I wouldn't worry about trying to find instances of routers that have implicit allow everything ACLs, etc. and would focus more on what you need to configure based on the defaults and such functionality of your make and model specific router.
– Pimp Juice IT
Feb 10 at 17:20
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The methodology I use in such instances is "block everything and only allow thru what you need allow thru explicitly". I wouldn't worry about trying to find instances of routers that have implicit allow everything ACLs, etc. and would focus more on what you need to configure based on the defaults and such functionality of your make and model specific router.
– Pimp Juice IT
Feb 10 at 17:20
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The methodology I use in such instances is "block everything and only allow thru what you need allow thru explicitly". I wouldn't worry about trying to find instances of routers that have implicit allow everything ACLs, etc. and would focus more on what you need to configure based on the defaults and such functionality of your make and model specific router.
– Pimp Juice IT
Feb 10 at 17:20
The methodology I use in such instances is "block everything and only allow thru what you need allow thru explicitly". I wouldn't worry about trying to find instances of routers that have implicit allow everything ACLs, etc. and would focus more on what you need to configure based on the defaults and such functionality of your make and model specific router.
– Pimp Juice IT
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There is no standard or specification according to which packet filtering configuration should be written. (And in general, the term 'access control list' applies to many other things besides network packet filters.)
You've been taught about one specific implementation of access control lists (I'm guessing Cisco IOS?); however, other products and implementations follow their own conventions – and some of them use "implicit allow", either for historical reasons, or because it makes unnecessary to have a separate "on/off" switch for filtering (the filter is always active, it just starts with no rules).
For example, OpenBSD pf is documented to use implicit 'pass'. Linux iptables & nftables both have a policy setting which is set to implicit "accept" by default, but can be changed to "drop". And JunOS firewall filters apparently are implicit-accept when they don't have any match rules yet, but become implicit-deny when you add some.
In addition to that, user interfaces might act differently than the underlying mechanism. For example, although pfSense just provides graphical configuration for the same pf, it always adds a hidden "block all" rule, resulting in apparent implicit-deny even though under the hood it's explicit.
answered Feb 10 at 16:58
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Generally by default for any consumer level firewall, the outgoing connections are allow by default, with implicit denying.
Most users don't want to stop traffic going out from their network (knowingly at least) so the default makes sense for the most people and is easiest to configure this way.
answered Feb 10 at 16:23
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Why are you answering this non-question? This should be a comment.
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There is no standard or specification according to which packet filtering configuration should be written. (And in general, the term 'access control list' applies to many other things besides network packet filters.)
You've been taught about one specific implementation of access control lists (I'm guessing Cisco IOS?); however, other products and implementations follow their own conventions – and some of them use "implicit allow", either for historical reasons, or because it makes unnecessary to have a separate "on/off" switch for filtering (the filter is always active, it just starts with no rules).
For example, OpenBSD pf is documented to use implicit 'pass'. Linux iptables & nftables both have a policy setting which is set to implicit "accept" by default, but can be changed to "drop". And JunOS firewall filters apparently are implicit-accept when they don't have any match rules yet, but become implicit-deny when you add some.
In addition to that, user interfaces might act differently than the underlying mechanism. For example, although pfSense just provides graphical configuration for the same pf, it always adds a hidden "block all" rule, resulting in apparent implicit-deny even though under the hood it's explicit.
answered Feb 10 at 16:58
grawitygrawity
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There is no standard or specification according to which packet filtering configuration should be written. (And in general, the term 'access control list' applies to many other things besides network packet filters.)
You've been taught about one specific implementation of access control lists (I'm guessing Cisco IOS?); however, other products and implementations follow their own conventions – and some of them use "implicit allow", either for historical reasons, or because it makes unnecessary to have a separate "on/off" switch for filtering (the filter is always active, it just starts with no rules).
For example, OpenBSD pf is documented to use implicit 'pass'. Linux iptables & nftables both have a policy setting which is set to implicit "accept" by default, but can be changed to "drop". And JunOS firewall filters apparently are implicit-accept when they don't have any match rules yet, but become implicit-deny when you add some.
In addition to that, user interfaces might act differently than the underlying mechanism. For example, although pfSense just provides graphical configuration for the same pf, it always adds a hidden "block all" rule, resulting in apparent implicit-deny even though under the hood it's explicit.
answered Feb 10 at 16:58
grawitygrawity
240k37508561
add a comment |
There is no standard or specification according to which packet filtering configuration should be written. (And in general, the term 'access control list' applies to many other things besides network packet filters.)
You've been taught about one specific implementation of access control lists (I'm guessing Cisco IOS?); however, other products and implementations follow their own conventions – and some of them use "implicit allow", either for historical reasons, or because it makes unnecessary to have a separate "on/off" switch for filtering (the filter is always active, it just starts with no rules).
For example, OpenBSD pf is documented to use implicit 'pass'. Linux iptables & nftables both have a policy setting which is set to implicit "accept" by default, but can be changed to "drop". And JunOS firewall filters apparently are implicit-accept when they don't have any match rules yet, but become implicit-deny when you add some.
In addition to that, user interfaces might act differently than the underlying mechanism. For example, although pfSense just provides graphical configuration for the same pf, it always adds a hidden "block all" rule, resulting in apparent implicit-deny even though under the hood it's explicit.
answered Feb 10 at 16:58
grawitygrawity
240k37508561
There is no standard or specification according to which packet filtering configuration should be written. (And in general, the term 'access control list' applies to many other things besides network packet filters.)
You've been taught about one specific implementation of access control lists (I'm guessing Cisco IOS?); however, other products and implementations follow their own conventions – and some of them use "implicit allow", either for historical reasons, or because it makes unnecessary to have a separate "on/off" switch for filtering (the filter is always active, it just starts with no rules).
For example, OpenBSD pf is documented to use implicit 'pass'. Linux iptables & nftables both have a policy setting which is set to implicit "accept" by default, but can be changed to "drop". And JunOS firewall filters apparently are implicit-accept when they don't have any match rules yet, but become implicit-deny when you add some.
In addition to that, user interfaces might act differently than the underlying mechanism. For example, although pfSense just provides graphical configuration for the same pf, it always adds a hidden "block all" rule, resulting in apparent implicit-deny even though under the hood it's explicit.
answered Feb 10 at 16:58
grawitygrawity
240k37508561
answered Feb 10 at 16:58
grawitygrawity
240k37508561
answered Feb 10 at 16:58
grawitygrawity
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answered Feb 10 at 16:58
grawitygrawity
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Generally by default for any consumer level firewall, the outgoing connections are allow by default, with implicit denying.
Most users don't want to stop traffic going out from their network (knowingly at least) so the default makes sense for the most people and is easiest to configure this way.
answered Feb 10 at 16:23
djsmiley2kdjsmiley2k
5,13612336
1
Why are you answering this non-question? This should be a comment.
– JakeGould
Feb 10 at 16:26
add a comment |
Generally by default for any consumer level firewall, the outgoing connections are allow by default, with implicit denying.
Most users don't want to stop traffic going out from their network (knowingly at least) so the default makes sense for the most people and is easiest to configure this way.
answered Feb 10 at 16:23
djsmiley2kdjsmiley2k
5,13612336
1
Why are you answering this non-question? This should be a comment.
– JakeGould
Feb 10 at 16:26
add a comment |
Generally by default for any consumer level firewall, the outgoing connections are allow by default, with implicit denying.
Most users don't want to stop traffic going out from their network (knowingly at least) so the default makes sense for the most people and is easiest to configure this way.
answered Feb 10 at 16:23
djsmiley2kdjsmiley2k
5,13612336
Generally by default for any consumer level firewall, the outgoing connections are allow by default, with implicit denying.
Most users don't want to stop traffic going out from their network (knowingly at least) so the default makes sense for the most people and is easiest to configure this way.
answered Feb 10 at 16:23
djsmiley2kdjsmiley2k
5,13612336
answered Feb 10 at 16:23
djsmiley2kdjsmiley2k
5,13612336
answered Feb 10 at 16:23
djsmiley2kdjsmiley2k
5,13612336
answered Feb 10 at 16:23
djsmiley2kdjsmiley2k
5,13612336
5,13612336
1
Why are you answering this non-question? This should be a comment.
– JakeGould
Feb 10 at 16:26
add a comment |
1
Why are you answering this non-question? This should be a comment.
– JakeGould
Feb 10 at 16:26
1
1
Why are you answering this non-question? This should be a comment.
– JakeGould
Feb 10 at 16:26
Why are you answering this non-question? This should be a comment.
– JakeGould
Feb 10 at 16:26
add a comment |
2
The methodology I use in such instances is "block everything and only allow thru what you need allow thru explicitly". I wouldn't worry about trying to find instances of routers that have implicit allow everything ACLs, etc. and would focus more on what you need to configure based on the defaults and such functionality of your make and model specific router.
– Pimp Juice IT
Feb 10 at 17:20