Is the solution to $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma$ unique?












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Let $tilde Sigma=text{diag}(tilde sigma_i)$ be a diagonal matrix, with $tilde sigma_i>0$. ($1 le i le n$).



Suppose that $A$ is a real invertible $n times n$ matrix with positive determinant, satisfying $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma$, where $O(A)=A(sqrt{A^TA})^{-1}$ is the orthogonal polar factor of $A$, i.e. $A=OP$ for some special orthogonal matrix $O$ and symmetric positive-definite matrix $P$.




Is it true that $A=text{diag}(tilde sigma_i+1)$? (In that case $O(A)=text{Id}$).




Writing $A=USigma V^T$ (SVD), the equation $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma$ becomes



$$ U(Sigma -text{Id}) V^T=tilde Sigma.$$



Taking the transpose of the equation, we also have



$$ V(Sigma -text{Id}) U^T=tilde Sigma.$$



Combining these two equations, we then have



$$ U(Sigma -text{Id})^2 U^T=tilde Sigma^2.$$



Considering the eigenvalues of both sides, we deduce that $(sigma_i-1)^2=tilde sigma_{tau(i)}^2$, where $tau in S_n$ is a permutation. Let $v_i$ be the $i$-th column of $U^T$. If all the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct, then
$(Sigma -text{Id})^2 v_i=tilde sigma_{tau(i)}^2 v_i$, which implies $v_i in text{span}{e_{tau(i)}}$. Since the columns of $U^T$ are orthonormal, we have $v_i=pm e_{alpha(i)}$, i.e. $U^T$ must be a signed permutation matrix.



The same reasoning can be applied to $V$. Thus, $A=USigma V^T$ must be diagonal.
(Is this really true? I am not so sure now).










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    Let $tilde Sigma=text{diag}(tilde sigma_i)$ be a diagonal matrix, with $tilde sigma_i>0$. ($1 le i le n$).



    Suppose that $A$ is a real invertible $n times n$ matrix with positive determinant, satisfying $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma$, where $O(A)=A(sqrt{A^TA})^{-1}$ is the orthogonal polar factor of $A$, i.e. $A=OP$ for some special orthogonal matrix $O$ and symmetric positive-definite matrix $P$.




    Is it true that $A=text{diag}(tilde sigma_i+1)$? (In that case $O(A)=text{Id}$).




    Writing $A=USigma V^T$ (SVD), the equation $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma$ becomes



    $$ U(Sigma -text{Id}) V^T=tilde Sigma.$$



    Taking the transpose of the equation, we also have



    $$ V(Sigma -text{Id}) U^T=tilde Sigma.$$



    Combining these two equations, we then have



    $$ U(Sigma -text{Id})^2 U^T=tilde Sigma^2.$$



    Considering the eigenvalues of both sides, we deduce that $(sigma_i-1)^2=tilde sigma_{tau(i)}^2$, where $tau in S_n$ is a permutation. Let $v_i$ be the $i$-th column of $U^T$. If all the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct, then
    $(Sigma -text{Id})^2 v_i=tilde sigma_{tau(i)}^2 v_i$, which implies $v_i in text{span}{e_{tau(i)}}$. Since the columns of $U^T$ are orthonormal, we have $v_i=pm e_{alpha(i)}$, i.e. $U^T$ must be a signed permutation matrix.



    The same reasoning can be applied to $V$. Thus, $A=USigma V^T$ must be diagonal.
    (Is this really true? I am not so sure now).










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      Let $tilde Sigma=text{diag}(tilde sigma_i)$ be a diagonal matrix, with $tilde sigma_i>0$. ($1 le i le n$).



      Suppose that $A$ is a real invertible $n times n$ matrix with positive determinant, satisfying $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma$, where $O(A)=A(sqrt{A^TA})^{-1}$ is the orthogonal polar factor of $A$, i.e. $A=OP$ for some special orthogonal matrix $O$ and symmetric positive-definite matrix $P$.




      Is it true that $A=text{diag}(tilde sigma_i+1)$? (In that case $O(A)=text{Id}$).




      Writing $A=USigma V^T$ (SVD), the equation $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma$ becomes



      $$ U(Sigma -text{Id}) V^T=tilde Sigma.$$



      Taking the transpose of the equation, we also have



      $$ V(Sigma -text{Id}) U^T=tilde Sigma.$$



      Combining these two equations, we then have



      $$ U(Sigma -text{Id})^2 U^T=tilde Sigma^2.$$



      Considering the eigenvalues of both sides, we deduce that $(sigma_i-1)^2=tilde sigma_{tau(i)}^2$, where $tau in S_n$ is a permutation. Let $v_i$ be the $i$-th column of $U^T$. If all the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct, then
      $(Sigma -text{Id})^2 v_i=tilde sigma_{tau(i)}^2 v_i$, which implies $v_i in text{span}{e_{tau(i)}}$. Since the columns of $U^T$ are orthonormal, we have $v_i=pm e_{alpha(i)}$, i.e. $U^T$ must be a signed permutation matrix.



      The same reasoning can be applied to $V$. Thus, $A=USigma V^T$ must be diagonal.
      (Is this really true? I am not so sure now).










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      Let $tilde Sigma=text{diag}(tilde sigma_i)$ be a diagonal matrix, with $tilde sigma_i>0$. ($1 le i le n$).



      Suppose that $A$ is a real invertible $n times n$ matrix with positive determinant, satisfying $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma$, where $O(A)=A(sqrt{A^TA})^{-1}$ is the orthogonal polar factor of $A$, i.e. $A=OP$ for some special orthogonal matrix $O$ and symmetric positive-definite matrix $P$.




      Is it true that $A=text{diag}(tilde sigma_i+1)$? (In that case $O(A)=text{Id}$).




      Writing $A=USigma V^T$ (SVD), the equation $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma$ becomes



      $$ U(Sigma -text{Id}) V^T=tilde Sigma.$$



      Taking the transpose of the equation, we also have



      $$ V(Sigma -text{Id}) U^T=tilde Sigma.$$



      Combining these two equations, we then have



      $$ U(Sigma -text{Id})^2 U^T=tilde Sigma^2.$$



      Considering the eigenvalues of both sides, we deduce that $(sigma_i-1)^2=tilde sigma_{tau(i)}^2$, where $tau in S_n$ is a permutation. Let $v_i$ be the $i$-th column of $U^T$. If all the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct, then
      $(Sigma -text{Id})^2 v_i=tilde sigma_{tau(i)}^2 v_i$, which implies $v_i in text{span}{e_{tau(i)}}$. Since the columns of $U^T$ are orthonormal, we have $v_i=pm e_{alpha(i)}$, i.e. $U^T$ must be a signed permutation matrix.



      The same reasoning can be applied to $V$. Thus, $A=USigma V^T$ must be diagonal.
      (Is this really true? I am not so sure now).







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          A counterexample is $A=-tfrac12 I$ and $tildeSigma=tfrac12 I$ for even $n.$ Here $O(A)=-I.$



          $A$ is not necessarily diagonal. For an example it should work to take $n=4,$ $tildeSigma=tfrac12I,$ and $A=UDU^T$ where $D=operatorname{diag}(tfrac32,tfrac32,-tfrac12,-tfrac12)$ and $U$ is a rotation by forty-five degrees in the y-z plane.





          It is true that $O^2=I$ and $O$ commutes with $tildeSigma.$ The situation could be described as: after an orthogonal change of basis, $tildeSigma$ is still diagonal and $A$ is diagonal with $A_{ii}=tildeSigma_{ii}pm 1$ (and the $-1$ case can only occur when $tildeSigma_{ii}<1.$)



          Write $A=OP$ with $Oin SO_n$ and $P$ symmetric positive definite.



          There's a $Vin SO_n$ such that the matrix $P':=V^TPV$ is diagonal. Write $S'$ for the result of replacing the diagonal entries of $P'-I$ by their sign $pm 1$ (note $P-I$ is non-singular, so this is well defined) and write $|P'-I|$ for the result of replacing the diagonal entries of $P'-I$ by their absolute value. Define $S=VS'V^T$ and $|P-I|=V|P'-I|V^T.$ Note that $P-I$ and $S$ and $|P-I|$ all commute - they are simultaneously diagonalized by conjugation by $V$ on the right. And $S|P-I|=P-I.$



          $S$ is symmetric and satisfies $S^2=I$ so is actually orthogonal. Applying the uniqueness of the orthogonal polar decomposition to $OS|P-I|=tildeSigma$ gives $OS=I,$ which gives $O=S.$






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            Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the possibility of $A_{ii}=tilde Sigma_{ii}-1$. I still wonder though: Is it true that when all the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct, the solution $A$ must be diagonal? Also, you could take any rotation $U$ in your example, right? (the exact angle does not matter I think, as you can see in my answer below).
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            @AsafShachar: (1) Yes, if the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct then $O$ and hence $A$ must be diagonal, since they commute with $tilde Sigma$ according to the argument in the second half of my answer. (2) Yes, I was just being concrete - anything that isn't a multiple of 90° should work
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            Thank you very much! I see why your argument implies $S=O$ so $O^2=id$, and $tilde Sigma=|P-I|$ but how do we deduce that $O$ and $A$ commute with $tilde Sigma$? (or equivalently why $O$ commute with $A$?)
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            @AsafShachar: $|P-I|$ and $O$ are simultaneously diagonalizable. I have edited to more explicitly define $S$ and $|P-I|,$ which should make it easier to see that these all commute.
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          It is worth noting that even if $A$ is diagonal, then the solution is not unique:



          Indeed, take $A_1=text{diag}(3/2,5/4,2)$,$A_2=text{diag}(-1/2,-3/4,2)$ which both correspond to $tilde Sigma=text{diag}(1/2,1/4,1)$.



          Indeed, note that for diagonal matrix $D=text{diag}(d_i)$ in $GL^+$, $O(D)=text{diag}(text{sgn} (d_i))$.



          Furthermore, if $Sigma=lambda Id$, then for every solution $A$, and every orthogonal matrix $U$, $U^TAU$ is also a solution. This follows immediately from the fact that $O(AU)=O(A)U,O(UA)=UO(A)$. (These properties are due to the fact that $O(A)$ is simultaneously the left and right orthogonal polar factor of $A$).



          Thus, if $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma=lambda Id$, then



          $$U^TAU-O(U^TAU)=U^TAU-U^TO(A)U=U^T(A-O(A))U=U^Ttilde Sigma U=tilde Sigma,$$



          since $Sigma$ commutes with all matrices.






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            A counterexample is $A=-tfrac12 I$ and $tildeSigma=tfrac12 I$ for even $n.$ Here $O(A)=-I.$



            $A$ is not necessarily diagonal. For an example it should work to take $n=4,$ $tildeSigma=tfrac12I,$ and $A=UDU^T$ where $D=operatorname{diag}(tfrac32,tfrac32,-tfrac12,-tfrac12)$ and $U$ is a rotation by forty-five degrees in the y-z plane.





            It is true that $O^2=I$ and $O$ commutes with $tildeSigma.$ The situation could be described as: after an orthogonal change of basis, $tildeSigma$ is still diagonal and $A$ is diagonal with $A_{ii}=tildeSigma_{ii}pm 1$ (and the $-1$ case can only occur when $tildeSigma_{ii}<1.$)



            Write $A=OP$ with $Oin SO_n$ and $P$ symmetric positive definite.



            There's a $Vin SO_n$ such that the matrix $P':=V^TPV$ is diagonal. Write $S'$ for the result of replacing the diagonal entries of $P'-I$ by their sign $pm 1$ (note $P-I$ is non-singular, so this is well defined) and write $|P'-I|$ for the result of replacing the diagonal entries of $P'-I$ by their absolute value. Define $S=VS'V^T$ and $|P-I|=V|P'-I|V^T.$ Note that $P-I$ and $S$ and $|P-I|$ all commute - they are simultaneously diagonalized by conjugation by $V$ on the right. And $S|P-I|=P-I.$



            $S$ is symmetric and satisfies $S^2=I$ so is actually orthogonal. Applying the uniqueness of the orthogonal polar decomposition to $OS|P-I|=tildeSigma$ gives $OS=I,$ which gives $O=S.$






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              Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the possibility of $A_{ii}=tilde Sigma_{ii}-1$. I still wonder though: Is it true that when all the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct, the solution $A$ must be diagonal? Also, you could take any rotation $U$ in your example, right? (the exact angle does not matter I think, as you can see in my answer below).
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              @AsafShachar: (1) Yes, if the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct then $O$ and hence $A$ must be diagonal, since they commute with $tilde Sigma$ according to the argument in the second half of my answer. (2) Yes, I was just being concrete - anything that isn't a multiple of 90° should work
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              Thank you very much! I see why your argument implies $S=O$ so $O^2=id$, and $tilde Sigma=|P-I|$ but how do we deduce that $O$ and $A$ commute with $tilde Sigma$? (or equivalently why $O$ commute with $A$?)
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              @AsafShachar: $|P-I|$ and $O$ are simultaneously diagonalizable. I have edited to more explicitly define $S$ and $|P-I|,$ which should make it easier to see that these all commute.
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            A counterexample is $A=-tfrac12 I$ and $tildeSigma=tfrac12 I$ for even $n.$ Here $O(A)=-I.$



            $A$ is not necessarily diagonal. For an example it should work to take $n=4,$ $tildeSigma=tfrac12I,$ and $A=UDU^T$ where $D=operatorname{diag}(tfrac32,tfrac32,-tfrac12,-tfrac12)$ and $U$ is a rotation by forty-five degrees in the y-z plane.





            It is true that $O^2=I$ and $O$ commutes with $tildeSigma.$ The situation could be described as: after an orthogonal change of basis, $tildeSigma$ is still diagonal and $A$ is diagonal with $A_{ii}=tildeSigma_{ii}pm 1$ (and the $-1$ case can only occur when $tildeSigma_{ii}<1.$)



            Write $A=OP$ with $Oin SO_n$ and $P$ symmetric positive definite.



            There's a $Vin SO_n$ such that the matrix $P':=V^TPV$ is diagonal. Write $S'$ for the result of replacing the diagonal entries of $P'-I$ by their sign $pm 1$ (note $P-I$ is non-singular, so this is well defined) and write $|P'-I|$ for the result of replacing the diagonal entries of $P'-I$ by their absolute value. Define $S=VS'V^T$ and $|P-I|=V|P'-I|V^T.$ Note that $P-I$ and $S$ and $|P-I|$ all commute - they are simultaneously diagonalized by conjugation by $V$ on the right. And $S|P-I|=P-I.$



            $S$ is symmetric and satisfies $S^2=I$ so is actually orthogonal. Applying the uniqueness of the orthogonal polar decomposition to $OS|P-I|=tildeSigma$ gives $OS=I,$ which gives $O=S.$






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              Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the possibility of $A_{ii}=tilde Sigma_{ii}-1$. I still wonder though: Is it true that when all the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct, the solution $A$ must be diagonal? Also, you could take any rotation $U$ in your example, right? (the exact angle does not matter I think, as you can see in my answer below).
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              @AsafShachar: (1) Yes, if the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct then $O$ and hence $A$ must be diagonal, since they commute with $tilde Sigma$ according to the argument in the second half of my answer. (2) Yes, I was just being concrete - anything that isn't a multiple of 90° should work
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              Thank you very much! I see why your argument implies $S=O$ so $O^2=id$, and $tilde Sigma=|P-I|$ but how do we deduce that $O$ and $A$ commute with $tilde Sigma$? (or equivalently why $O$ commute with $A$?)
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              – Asaf Shachar
              Jan 1 at 19:48








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              @AsafShachar: $|P-I|$ and $O$ are simultaneously diagonalizable. I have edited to more explicitly define $S$ and $|P-I|,$ which should make it easier to see that these all commute.
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            A counterexample is $A=-tfrac12 I$ and $tildeSigma=tfrac12 I$ for even $n.$ Here $O(A)=-I.$



            $A$ is not necessarily diagonal. For an example it should work to take $n=4,$ $tildeSigma=tfrac12I,$ and $A=UDU^T$ where $D=operatorname{diag}(tfrac32,tfrac32,-tfrac12,-tfrac12)$ and $U$ is a rotation by forty-five degrees in the y-z plane.





            It is true that $O^2=I$ and $O$ commutes with $tildeSigma.$ The situation could be described as: after an orthogonal change of basis, $tildeSigma$ is still diagonal and $A$ is diagonal with $A_{ii}=tildeSigma_{ii}pm 1$ (and the $-1$ case can only occur when $tildeSigma_{ii}<1.$)



            Write $A=OP$ with $Oin SO_n$ and $P$ symmetric positive definite.



            There's a $Vin SO_n$ such that the matrix $P':=V^TPV$ is diagonal. Write $S'$ for the result of replacing the diagonal entries of $P'-I$ by their sign $pm 1$ (note $P-I$ is non-singular, so this is well defined) and write $|P'-I|$ for the result of replacing the diagonal entries of $P'-I$ by their absolute value. Define $S=VS'V^T$ and $|P-I|=V|P'-I|V^T.$ Note that $P-I$ and $S$ and $|P-I|$ all commute - they are simultaneously diagonalized by conjugation by $V$ on the right. And $S|P-I|=P-I.$



            $S$ is symmetric and satisfies $S^2=I$ so is actually orthogonal. Applying the uniqueness of the orthogonal polar decomposition to $OS|P-I|=tildeSigma$ gives $OS=I,$ which gives $O=S.$






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            A counterexample is $A=-tfrac12 I$ and $tildeSigma=tfrac12 I$ for even $n.$ Here $O(A)=-I.$



            $A$ is not necessarily diagonal. For an example it should work to take $n=4,$ $tildeSigma=tfrac12I,$ and $A=UDU^T$ where $D=operatorname{diag}(tfrac32,tfrac32,-tfrac12,-tfrac12)$ and $U$ is a rotation by forty-five degrees in the y-z plane.





            It is true that $O^2=I$ and $O$ commutes with $tildeSigma.$ The situation could be described as: after an orthogonal change of basis, $tildeSigma$ is still diagonal and $A$ is diagonal with $A_{ii}=tildeSigma_{ii}pm 1$ (and the $-1$ case can only occur when $tildeSigma_{ii}<1.$)



            Write $A=OP$ with $Oin SO_n$ and $P$ symmetric positive definite.



            There's a $Vin SO_n$ such that the matrix $P':=V^TPV$ is diagonal. Write $S'$ for the result of replacing the diagonal entries of $P'-I$ by their sign $pm 1$ (note $P-I$ is non-singular, so this is well defined) and write $|P'-I|$ for the result of replacing the diagonal entries of $P'-I$ by their absolute value. Define $S=VS'V^T$ and $|P-I|=V|P'-I|V^T.$ Note that $P-I$ and $S$ and $|P-I|$ all commute - they are simultaneously diagonalized by conjugation by $V$ on the right. And $S|P-I|=P-I.$



            $S$ is symmetric and satisfies $S^2=I$ so is actually orthogonal. Applying the uniqueness of the orthogonal polar decomposition to $OS|P-I|=tildeSigma$ gives $OS=I,$ which gives $O=S.$







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              Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the possibility of $A_{ii}=tilde Sigma_{ii}-1$. I still wonder though: Is it true that when all the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct, the solution $A$ must be diagonal? Also, you could take any rotation $U$ in your example, right? (the exact angle does not matter I think, as you can see in my answer below).
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              @AsafShachar: (1) Yes, if the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct then $O$ and hence $A$ must be diagonal, since they commute with $tilde Sigma$ according to the argument in the second half of my answer. (2) Yes, I was just being concrete - anything that isn't a multiple of 90° should work
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              Thank you very much! I see why your argument implies $S=O$ so $O^2=id$, and $tilde Sigma=|P-I|$ but how do we deduce that $O$ and $A$ commute with $tilde Sigma$? (or equivalently why $O$ commute with $A$?)
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              – Asaf Shachar
              Jan 1 at 19:48








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              @AsafShachar: $|P-I|$ and $O$ are simultaneously diagonalizable. I have edited to more explicitly define $S$ and $|P-I|,$ which should make it easier to see that these all commute.
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            • $begingroup$
              Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the possibility of $A_{ii}=tilde Sigma_{ii}-1$. I still wonder though: Is it true that when all the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct, the solution $A$ must be diagonal? Also, you could take any rotation $U$ in your example, right? (the exact angle does not matter I think, as you can see in my answer below).
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              – Asaf Shachar
              Jan 1 at 9:49










            • $begingroup$
              @AsafShachar: (1) Yes, if the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct then $O$ and hence $A$ must be diagonal, since they commute with $tilde Sigma$ according to the argument in the second half of my answer. (2) Yes, I was just being concrete - anything that isn't a multiple of 90° should work
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              – Dap
              Jan 1 at 10:26












            • $begingroup$
              Thank you very much! I see why your argument implies $S=O$ so $O^2=id$, and $tilde Sigma=|P-I|$ but how do we deduce that $O$ and $A$ commute with $tilde Sigma$? (or equivalently why $O$ commute with $A$?)
              $endgroup$
              – Asaf Shachar
              Jan 1 at 19:48








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              $begingroup$
              @AsafShachar: $|P-I|$ and $O$ are simultaneously diagonalizable. I have edited to more explicitly define $S$ and $|P-I|,$ which should make it easier to see that these all commute.
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            $begingroup$
            Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the possibility of $A_{ii}=tilde Sigma_{ii}-1$. I still wonder though: Is it true that when all the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct, the solution $A$ must be diagonal? Also, you could take any rotation $U$ in your example, right? (the exact angle does not matter I think, as you can see in my answer below).
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            – Asaf Shachar
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            Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the possibility of $A_{ii}=tilde Sigma_{ii}-1$. I still wonder though: Is it true that when all the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct, the solution $A$ must be diagonal? Also, you could take any rotation $U$ in your example, right? (the exact angle does not matter I think, as you can see in my answer below).
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            @AsafShachar: (1) Yes, if the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct then $O$ and hence $A$ must be diagonal, since they commute with $tilde Sigma$ according to the argument in the second half of my answer. (2) Yes, I was just being concrete - anything that isn't a multiple of 90° should work
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            @AsafShachar: (1) Yes, if the $tilde sigma_i$ are distinct then $O$ and hence $A$ must be diagonal, since they commute with $tilde Sigma$ according to the argument in the second half of my answer. (2) Yes, I was just being concrete - anything that isn't a multiple of 90° should work
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            Thank you very much! I see why your argument implies $S=O$ so $O^2=id$, and $tilde Sigma=|P-I|$ but how do we deduce that $O$ and $A$ commute with $tilde Sigma$? (or equivalently why $O$ commute with $A$?)
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            Thank you very much! I see why your argument implies $S=O$ so $O^2=id$, and $tilde Sigma=|P-I|$ but how do we deduce that $O$ and $A$ commute with $tilde Sigma$? (or equivalently why $O$ commute with $A$?)
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            @AsafShachar: $|P-I|$ and $O$ are simultaneously diagonalizable. I have edited to more explicitly define $S$ and $|P-I|,$ which should make it easier to see that these all commute.
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            @AsafShachar: $|P-I|$ and $O$ are simultaneously diagonalizable. I have edited to more explicitly define $S$ and $|P-I|,$ which should make it easier to see that these all commute.
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            It is worth noting that even if $A$ is diagonal, then the solution is not unique:



            Indeed, take $A_1=text{diag}(3/2,5/4,2)$,$A_2=text{diag}(-1/2,-3/4,2)$ which both correspond to $tilde Sigma=text{diag}(1/2,1/4,1)$.



            Indeed, note that for diagonal matrix $D=text{diag}(d_i)$ in $GL^+$, $O(D)=text{diag}(text{sgn} (d_i))$.



            Furthermore, if $Sigma=lambda Id$, then for every solution $A$, and every orthogonal matrix $U$, $U^TAU$ is also a solution. This follows immediately from the fact that $O(AU)=O(A)U,O(UA)=UO(A)$. (These properties are due to the fact that $O(A)$ is simultaneously the left and right orthogonal polar factor of $A$).



            Thus, if $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma=lambda Id$, then



            $$U^TAU-O(U^TAU)=U^TAU-U^TO(A)U=U^T(A-O(A))U=U^Ttilde Sigma U=tilde Sigma,$$



            since $Sigma$ commutes with all matrices.






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              It is worth noting that even if $A$ is diagonal, then the solution is not unique:



              Indeed, take $A_1=text{diag}(3/2,5/4,2)$,$A_2=text{diag}(-1/2,-3/4,2)$ which both correspond to $tilde Sigma=text{diag}(1/2,1/4,1)$.



              Indeed, note that for diagonal matrix $D=text{diag}(d_i)$ in $GL^+$, $O(D)=text{diag}(text{sgn} (d_i))$.



              Furthermore, if $Sigma=lambda Id$, then for every solution $A$, and every orthogonal matrix $U$, $U^TAU$ is also a solution. This follows immediately from the fact that $O(AU)=O(A)U,O(UA)=UO(A)$. (These properties are due to the fact that $O(A)$ is simultaneously the left and right orthogonal polar factor of $A$).



              Thus, if $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma=lambda Id$, then



              $$U^TAU-O(U^TAU)=U^TAU-U^TO(A)U=U^T(A-O(A))U=U^Ttilde Sigma U=tilde Sigma,$$



              since $Sigma$ commutes with all matrices.






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                It is worth noting that even if $A$ is diagonal, then the solution is not unique:



                Indeed, take $A_1=text{diag}(3/2,5/4,2)$,$A_2=text{diag}(-1/2,-3/4,2)$ which both correspond to $tilde Sigma=text{diag}(1/2,1/4,1)$.



                Indeed, note that for diagonal matrix $D=text{diag}(d_i)$ in $GL^+$, $O(D)=text{diag}(text{sgn} (d_i))$.



                Furthermore, if $Sigma=lambda Id$, then for every solution $A$, and every orthogonal matrix $U$, $U^TAU$ is also a solution. This follows immediately from the fact that $O(AU)=O(A)U,O(UA)=UO(A)$. (These properties are due to the fact that $O(A)$ is simultaneously the left and right orthogonal polar factor of $A$).



                Thus, if $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma=lambda Id$, then



                $$U^TAU-O(U^TAU)=U^TAU-U^TO(A)U=U^T(A-O(A))U=U^Ttilde Sigma U=tilde Sigma,$$



                since $Sigma$ commutes with all matrices.






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                It is worth noting that even if $A$ is diagonal, then the solution is not unique:



                Indeed, take $A_1=text{diag}(3/2,5/4,2)$,$A_2=text{diag}(-1/2,-3/4,2)$ which both correspond to $tilde Sigma=text{diag}(1/2,1/4,1)$.



                Indeed, note that for diagonal matrix $D=text{diag}(d_i)$ in $GL^+$, $O(D)=text{diag}(text{sgn} (d_i))$.



                Furthermore, if $Sigma=lambda Id$, then for every solution $A$, and every orthogonal matrix $U$, $U^TAU$ is also a solution. This follows immediately from the fact that $O(AU)=O(A)U,O(UA)=UO(A)$. (These properties are due to the fact that $O(A)$ is simultaneously the left and right orthogonal polar factor of $A$).



                Thus, if $A-O(A)=tilde Sigma=lambda Id$, then



                $$U^TAU-O(U^TAU)=U^TAU-U^TO(A)U=U^T(A-O(A))U=U^Ttilde Sigma U=tilde Sigma,$$



                since $Sigma$ commutes with all matrices.







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