Defining number set sequences based on the fundamental theorem of arithmetic












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The Fundamental theorem of arithmetic gives a natural way to write natural numbers $mathbb{N}$ uniquely in terms of products in powers of primes:



$$N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots $$ for all $N in mathbb{N}$ with $n_i in mathbb{N}$



This can be generalized to rational numbers:



$$N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots $$ for all $N in mathbb{Q}$ with $n_i in mathbb{Z}$



Can this scheme be generalized on more ways?



For example, is not clear that algebraic irrationals are contained in the set of



$$N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots $$ with $n_i in mathbb{Q}$



but clearly this set is contained in the algebraic irrationals union rationals.



In a parallel fashion, if we take imaginary unit $i$ as a new element of the prime set, we can rotate in any dense direction in the complex plane by taking all rational exponents



One in principle could define a family of sets in a recursive way:



$$mathbb{T}_{i+1} = big{ N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots n_j in mathbb{T}_i big } $$



with $mathbb{T}_0 = mathbb{Z}$



And ask, do transcendental numbers like $pi$ or $e$ belong to $mathbb{T}_i$ for some $i$?










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    I am not giving you a solution but it can be done using programing. Wolfram alpha and other sites are best to check your predictions.
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    – user627824
    Dec 19 '18 at 10:44






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    Also the smallest field $F$ containing $mathbb{Q}$ and closed under $x mapsto x^{1/m}$ for every $min mathbb{Z}$ is well-known, this is the largest radical extension of $mathbb{Q}$, whose Galois group is the largest solvable quotient group of $Gal(overline{mathbb{Q}}/mathbb{Q})$. That is $F$ is the field containing all the towers of cyclic extensions of the full cyclotomic field $bigcup_n mathbb{Q}(zeta_{n})$.
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    – reuns
    Dec 19 '18 at 11:29
















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$begingroup$


The Fundamental theorem of arithmetic gives a natural way to write natural numbers $mathbb{N}$ uniquely in terms of products in powers of primes:



$$N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots $$ for all $N in mathbb{N}$ with $n_i in mathbb{N}$



This can be generalized to rational numbers:



$$N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots $$ for all $N in mathbb{Q}$ with $n_i in mathbb{Z}$



Can this scheme be generalized on more ways?



For example, is not clear that algebraic irrationals are contained in the set of



$$N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots $$ with $n_i in mathbb{Q}$



but clearly this set is contained in the algebraic irrationals union rationals.



In a parallel fashion, if we take imaginary unit $i$ as a new element of the prime set, we can rotate in any dense direction in the complex plane by taking all rational exponents



One in principle could define a family of sets in a recursive way:



$$mathbb{T}_{i+1} = big{ N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots n_j in mathbb{T}_i big } $$



with $mathbb{T}_0 = mathbb{Z}$



And ask, do transcendental numbers like $pi$ or $e$ belong to $mathbb{T}_i$ for some $i$?










share|cite|improve this question











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  • $begingroup$
    I am not giving you a solution but it can be done using programing. Wolfram alpha and other sites are best to check your predictions.
    $endgroup$
    – user627824
    Dec 19 '18 at 10:44






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Also the smallest field $F$ containing $mathbb{Q}$ and closed under $x mapsto x^{1/m}$ for every $min mathbb{Z}$ is well-known, this is the largest radical extension of $mathbb{Q}$, whose Galois group is the largest solvable quotient group of $Gal(overline{mathbb{Q}}/mathbb{Q})$. That is $F$ is the field containing all the towers of cyclic extensions of the full cyclotomic field $bigcup_n mathbb{Q}(zeta_{n})$.
    $endgroup$
    – reuns
    Dec 19 '18 at 11:29














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$begingroup$


The Fundamental theorem of arithmetic gives a natural way to write natural numbers $mathbb{N}$ uniquely in terms of products in powers of primes:



$$N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots $$ for all $N in mathbb{N}$ with $n_i in mathbb{N}$



This can be generalized to rational numbers:



$$N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots $$ for all $N in mathbb{Q}$ with $n_i in mathbb{Z}$



Can this scheme be generalized on more ways?



For example, is not clear that algebraic irrationals are contained in the set of



$$N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots $$ with $n_i in mathbb{Q}$



but clearly this set is contained in the algebraic irrationals union rationals.



In a parallel fashion, if we take imaginary unit $i$ as a new element of the prime set, we can rotate in any dense direction in the complex plane by taking all rational exponents



One in principle could define a family of sets in a recursive way:



$$mathbb{T}_{i+1} = big{ N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots n_j in mathbb{T}_i big } $$



with $mathbb{T}_0 = mathbb{Z}$



And ask, do transcendental numbers like $pi$ or $e$ belong to $mathbb{T}_i$ for some $i$?










share|cite|improve this question











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The Fundamental theorem of arithmetic gives a natural way to write natural numbers $mathbb{N}$ uniquely in terms of products in powers of primes:



$$N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots $$ for all $N in mathbb{N}$ with $n_i in mathbb{N}$



This can be generalized to rational numbers:



$$N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots $$ for all $N in mathbb{Q}$ with $n_i in mathbb{Z}$



Can this scheme be generalized on more ways?



For example, is not clear that algebraic irrationals are contained in the set of



$$N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots $$ with $n_i in mathbb{Q}$



but clearly this set is contained in the algebraic irrationals union rationals.



In a parallel fashion, if we take imaginary unit $i$ as a new element of the prime set, we can rotate in any dense direction in the complex plane by taking all rational exponents



One in principle could define a family of sets in a recursive way:



$$mathbb{T}_{i+1} = big{ N = 2^{n_2} 3^{n_3} 5^{n_5} ldots n_j in mathbb{T}_i big } $$



with $mathbb{T}_0 = mathbb{Z}$



And ask, do transcendental numbers like $pi$ or $e$ belong to $mathbb{T}_i$ for some $i$?







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  • $begingroup$
    I am not giving you a solution but it can be done using programing. Wolfram alpha and other sites are best to check your predictions.
    $endgroup$
    – user627824
    Dec 19 '18 at 10:44






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Also the smallest field $F$ containing $mathbb{Q}$ and closed under $x mapsto x^{1/m}$ for every $min mathbb{Z}$ is well-known, this is the largest radical extension of $mathbb{Q}$, whose Galois group is the largest solvable quotient group of $Gal(overline{mathbb{Q}}/mathbb{Q})$. That is $F$ is the field containing all the towers of cyclic extensions of the full cyclotomic field $bigcup_n mathbb{Q}(zeta_{n})$.
    $endgroup$
    – reuns
    Dec 19 '18 at 11:29


















  • $begingroup$
    I am not giving you a solution but it can be done using programing. Wolfram alpha and other sites are best to check your predictions.
    $endgroup$
    – user627824
    Dec 19 '18 at 10:44






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Also the smallest field $F$ containing $mathbb{Q}$ and closed under $x mapsto x^{1/m}$ for every $min mathbb{Z}$ is well-known, this is the largest radical extension of $mathbb{Q}$, whose Galois group is the largest solvable quotient group of $Gal(overline{mathbb{Q}}/mathbb{Q})$. That is $F$ is the field containing all the towers of cyclic extensions of the full cyclotomic field $bigcup_n mathbb{Q}(zeta_{n})$.
    $endgroup$
    – reuns
    Dec 19 '18 at 11:29
















$begingroup$
I am not giving you a solution but it can be done using programing. Wolfram alpha and other sites are best to check your predictions.
$endgroup$
– user627824
Dec 19 '18 at 10:44




$begingroup$
I am not giving you a solution but it can be done using programing. Wolfram alpha and other sites are best to check your predictions.
$endgroup$
– user627824
Dec 19 '18 at 10:44




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$begingroup$
Also the smallest field $F$ containing $mathbb{Q}$ and closed under $x mapsto x^{1/m}$ for every $min mathbb{Z}$ is well-known, this is the largest radical extension of $mathbb{Q}$, whose Galois group is the largest solvable quotient group of $Gal(overline{mathbb{Q}}/mathbb{Q})$. That is $F$ is the field containing all the towers of cyclic extensions of the full cyclotomic field $bigcup_n mathbb{Q}(zeta_{n})$.
$endgroup$
– reuns
Dec 19 '18 at 11:29




$begingroup$
Also the smallest field $F$ containing $mathbb{Q}$ and closed under $x mapsto x^{1/m}$ for every $min mathbb{Z}$ is well-known, this is the largest radical extension of $mathbb{Q}$, whose Galois group is the largest solvable quotient group of $Gal(overline{mathbb{Q}}/mathbb{Q})$. That is $F$ is the field containing all the towers of cyclic extensions of the full cyclotomic field $bigcup_n mathbb{Q}(zeta_{n})$.
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– reuns
Dec 19 '18 at 11:29










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