How to calculate curve length of a helix with linearly variable pitch?
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I have designed a 3D helix which has a variable pitch $P(z)$ which is defined over the axial axis $z$ and has the form $P(z)=a*z+b$, $a$ and $b$ are constants. The larger the pitch, the sparser the helix should be at that part. It's like a wave which has variable wavelength. The radius of the helix is $r$. The total helix height (in $z$ direction) is $L$.
Since the helix has a linearly varying pitch, this spring-like helix will become more and more "dense" when $z$ increases if pitch decreases with $z$.
The question is how to express the helix length using all the aforementioned parameters?
I have a preliminary form, but this does not meet the result that I measured in the 3D CAD software.
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I have designed a 3D helix which has a variable pitch $P(z)$ which is defined over the axial axis $z$ and has the form $P(z)=a*z+b$, $a$ and $b$ are constants. The larger the pitch, the sparser the helix should be at that part. It's like a wave which has variable wavelength. The radius of the helix is $r$. The total helix height (in $z$ direction) is $L$.
Since the helix has a linearly varying pitch, this spring-like helix will become more and more "dense" when $z$ increases if pitch decreases with $z$.
The question is how to express the helix length using all the aforementioned parameters?
I have a preliminary form, but this does not meet the result that I measured in the 3D CAD software.
definite-integrals indefinite-integrals
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In your picture $x$ is the direction of the amplitude, but only the frequency increases (or the wavelength decreases reciprocally), as $z$ increases. Can you please clarify what you mean. For example, draw a longer segment.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:05
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@JyrkiLahtonen Sorry for the confusion, it's indeed not clear. If using the coordinate system in the figure, the pitch function will be $P(z)=az+b$. And this shape is a 3D helix (like a spring) which becomes more and more "dense" when $z$ increases. This "density" is controlled by pitch $P(z)$. I will edit the question to clarify.
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 15:12
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Is your pitch the distance between turns (the usual definition) or the inverse, the number of turns per unit distance?. You talk about the spring getting denser as $z$ increases, while in the standard definition it should get less dense.
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– Ross Millikan
Dec 12 '18 at 15:37
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@RossMillikan The pitch has the former definition. That is it's similar to a wavelength. And I think whether it's becoming denser or sparser depends on the sign of $a$ in the definition of $P(z)$.
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:06
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I have designed a 3D helix which has a variable pitch $P(z)$ which is defined over the axial axis $z$ and has the form $P(z)=a*z+b$, $a$ and $b$ are constants. The larger the pitch, the sparser the helix should be at that part. It's like a wave which has variable wavelength. The radius of the helix is $r$. The total helix height (in $z$ direction) is $L$.
Since the helix has a linearly varying pitch, this spring-like helix will become more and more "dense" when $z$ increases if pitch decreases with $z$.
The question is how to express the helix length using all the aforementioned parameters?
I have a preliminary form, but this does not meet the result that I measured in the 3D CAD software.
definite-integrals indefinite-integrals
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I have designed a 3D helix which has a variable pitch $P(z)$ which is defined over the axial axis $z$ and has the form $P(z)=a*z+b$, $a$ and $b$ are constants. The larger the pitch, the sparser the helix should be at that part. It's like a wave which has variable wavelength. The radius of the helix is $r$. The total helix height (in $z$ direction) is $L$.
Since the helix has a linearly varying pitch, this spring-like helix will become more and more "dense" when $z$ increases if pitch decreases with $z$.
The question is how to express the helix length using all the aforementioned parameters?
I have a preliminary form, but this does not meet the result that I measured in the 3D CAD software.
definite-integrals indefinite-integrals
definite-integrals indefinite-integrals
edited Dec 12 '18 at 16:30
Zhang Ze
asked Dec 12 '18 at 13:02
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In your picture $x$ is the direction of the amplitude, but only the frequency increases (or the wavelength decreases reciprocally), as $z$ increases. Can you please clarify what you mean. For example, draw a longer segment.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:05
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@JyrkiLahtonen Sorry for the confusion, it's indeed not clear. If using the coordinate system in the figure, the pitch function will be $P(z)=az+b$. And this shape is a 3D helix (like a spring) which becomes more and more "dense" when $z$ increases. This "density" is controlled by pitch $P(z)$. I will edit the question to clarify.
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 15:12
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Is your pitch the distance between turns (the usual definition) or the inverse, the number of turns per unit distance?. You talk about the spring getting denser as $z$ increases, while in the standard definition it should get less dense.
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– Ross Millikan
Dec 12 '18 at 15:37
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@RossMillikan The pitch has the former definition. That is it's similar to a wavelength. And I think whether it's becoming denser or sparser depends on the sign of $a$ in the definition of $P(z)$.
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:06
add a comment |
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In your picture $x$ is the direction of the amplitude, but only the frequency increases (or the wavelength decreases reciprocally), as $z$ increases. Can you please clarify what you mean. For example, draw a longer segment.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:05
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@JyrkiLahtonen Sorry for the confusion, it's indeed not clear. If using the coordinate system in the figure, the pitch function will be $P(z)=az+b$. And this shape is a 3D helix (like a spring) which becomes more and more "dense" when $z$ increases. This "density" is controlled by pitch $P(z)$. I will edit the question to clarify.
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 15:12
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Is your pitch the distance between turns (the usual definition) or the inverse, the number of turns per unit distance?. You talk about the spring getting denser as $z$ increases, while in the standard definition it should get less dense.
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– Ross Millikan
Dec 12 '18 at 15:37
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@RossMillikan The pitch has the former definition. That is it's similar to a wavelength. And I think whether it's becoming denser or sparser depends on the sign of $a$ in the definition of $P(z)$.
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:06
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In your picture $x$ is the direction of the amplitude, but only the frequency increases (or the wavelength decreases reciprocally), as $z$ increases. Can you please clarify what you mean. For example, draw a longer segment.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:05
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In your picture $x$ is the direction of the amplitude, but only the frequency increases (or the wavelength decreases reciprocally), as $z$ increases. Can you please clarify what you mean. For example, draw a longer segment.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:05
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@JyrkiLahtonen Sorry for the confusion, it's indeed not clear. If using the coordinate system in the figure, the pitch function will be $P(z)=az+b$. And this shape is a 3D helix (like a spring) which becomes more and more "dense" when $z$ increases. This "density" is controlled by pitch $P(z)$. I will edit the question to clarify.
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 15:12
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@JyrkiLahtonen Sorry for the confusion, it's indeed not clear. If using the coordinate system in the figure, the pitch function will be $P(z)=az+b$. And this shape is a 3D helix (like a spring) which becomes more and more "dense" when $z$ increases. This "density" is controlled by pitch $P(z)$. I will edit the question to clarify.
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 15:12
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Is your pitch the distance between turns (the usual definition) or the inverse, the number of turns per unit distance?. You talk about the spring getting denser as $z$ increases, while in the standard definition it should get less dense.
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– Ross Millikan
Dec 12 '18 at 15:37
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Is your pitch the distance between turns (the usual definition) or the inverse, the number of turns per unit distance?. You talk about the spring getting denser as $z$ increases, while in the standard definition it should get less dense.
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– Ross Millikan
Dec 12 '18 at 15:37
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@RossMillikan The pitch has the former definition. That is it's similar to a wavelength. And I think whether it's becoming denser or sparser depends on the sign of $a$ in the definition of $P(z)$.
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:06
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@RossMillikan The pitch has the former definition. That is it's similar to a wavelength. And I think whether it's becoming denser or sparser depends on the sign of $a$ in the definition of $P(z)$.
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:06
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Parametrize the helix as
begin{eqnarray}
x(t) &=& r cos (2pi t) \
y(t) &=& r sin (2pi t) \
z(t) &=& at + b
end{eqnarray}
The length of the helix is
$$
L = int_{t_1}^{t_2}left[ left(frac{{rm d}x}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}y}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}z}{{rm d}t} right)^2right]^{1/2}{rm d}t = int_{t_1}^{t_2}[b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2]^{1/2}{rm d}t = sqrt{b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2}(t_2 - t_1)
$$
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The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:02
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@JyrkiLahtonen You're right, it is a bit confusing. I will delete the answer if this is not what the OP had in mind
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– caverac
Dec 12 '18 at 15:03
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Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
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Dec 12 '18 at 15:06
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Your solution is for a constant pitch.
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Dec 12 '18 at 16:36
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Just served as some inspirations for others, I posted my derivation process. Maybe someone can help to review the process? I hope this is counted as en eligible answer.
My derivation process is like the following:
$$frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$$
so that:
$$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz+const$$
Consider $theta_{z=0}=0$:
$$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$$
Thus $z$ can be expressed by $theta$:
$$z=frac{e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}-b}{a}$$
For $x$ and $y$:
$$x=rcos{theta}$$
$$y=rsin{theta}$$
And the helix length is:
begin{equation*}
L_{helix}=int_{theta_1}^{theta_2}left[left(frac{dx}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dy}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dz}{dtheta}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
end{equation*}
The upper and lower boundary of $theta$ can be decided by plugging boundary conditions for $z=0$ and $z=L$ into $theta=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$
So the final form before solving the integral is:
begin{equation*}
L_{helix}=int_{frac{2pi}{a}log{b}}^{frac{2pi}{a}log{(aL+b)}}left[r^2+left(frac{1}{2pi}e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
end{equation*}
This can be solved in some software. To me, I think this first equation $frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$ is the key one. I'm not sure its correctness. I get it from intuition.
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The pitch is the derivative of the $z$ position on the angle parameter, hence the element of arc is
$$sqrt{(at+b)^2+r^2},dt,$$
which integrates as follows:
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+sqrt((az%2Bb)%5E2%2Br%5E2)+dz
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Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:09
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@ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 12 '18 at 16:32
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Parametrize the helix as
begin{eqnarray}
x(t) &=& r cos (2pi t) \
y(t) &=& r sin (2pi t) \
z(t) &=& at + b
end{eqnarray}
The length of the helix is
$$
L = int_{t_1}^{t_2}left[ left(frac{{rm d}x}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}y}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}z}{{rm d}t} right)^2right]^{1/2}{rm d}t = int_{t_1}^{t_2}[b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2]^{1/2}{rm d}t = sqrt{b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2}(t_2 - t_1)
$$
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The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:02
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@JyrkiLahtonen You're right, it is a bit confusing. I will delete the answer if this is not what the OP had in mind
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– caverac
Dec 12 '18 at 15:03
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Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 15:06
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Your solution is for a constant pitch.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 12 '18 at 16:36
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Parametrize the helix as
begin{eqnarray}
x(t) &=& r cos (2pi t) \
y(t) &=& r sin (2pi t) \
z(t) &=& at + b
end{eqnarray}
The length of the helix is
$$
L = int_{t_1}^{t_2}left[ left(frac{{rm d}x}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}y}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}z}{{rm d}t} right)^2right]^{1/2}{rm d}t = int_{t_1}^{t_2}[b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2]^{1/2}{rm d}t = sqrt{b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2}(t_2 - t_1)
$$
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The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:02
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@JyrkiLahtonen You're right, it is a bit confusing. I will delete the answer if this is not what the OP had in mind
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– caverac
Dec 12 '18 at 15:03
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Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 15:06
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Your solution is for a constant pitch.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 12 '18 at 16:36
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Parametrize the helix as
begin{eqnarray}
x(t) &=& r cos (2pi t) \
y(t) &=& r sin (2pi t) \
z(t) &=& at + b
end{eqnarray}
The length of the helix is
$$
L = int_{t_1}^{t_2}left[ left(frac{{rm d}x}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}y}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}z}{{rm d}t} right)^2right]^{1/2}{rm d}t = int_{t_1}^{t_2}[b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2]^{1/2}{rm d}t = sqrt{b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2}(t_2 - t_1)
$$
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Parametrize the helix as
begin{eqnarray}
x(t) &=& r cos (2pi t) \
y(t) &=& r sin (2pi t) \
z(t) &=& at + b
end{eqnarray}
The length of the helix is
$$
L = int_{t_1}^{t_2}left[ left(frac{{rm d}x}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}y}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}z}{{rm d}t} right)^2right]^{1/2}{rm d}t = int_{t_1}^{t_2}[b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2]^{1/2}{rm d}t = sqrt{b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2}(t_2 - t_1)
$$
answered Dec 12 '18 at 13:44
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The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:02
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@JyrkiLahtonen You're right, it is a bit confusing. I will delete the answer if this is not what the OP had in mind
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– caverac
Dec 12 '18 at 15:03
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Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 15:06
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Your solution is for a constant pitch.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 12 '18 at 16:36
add a comment |
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The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:02
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@JyrkiLahtonen You're right, it is a bit confusing. I will delete the answer if this is not what the OP had in mind
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– caverac
Dec 12 '18 at 15:03
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Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 15:06
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Your solution is for a constant pitch.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 12 '18 at 16:36
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The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:02
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The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
$endgroup$
– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:02
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@JyrkiLahtonen You're right, it is a bit confusing. I will delete the answer if this is not what the OP had in mind
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– caverac
Dec 12 '18 at 15:03
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@JyrkiLahtonen You're right, it is a bit confusing. I will delete the answer if this is not what the OP had in mind
$endgroup$
– caverac
Dec 12 '18 at 15:03
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Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 15:06
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Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 15:06
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Your solution is for a constant pitch.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 12 '18 at 16:36
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Your solution is for a constant pitch.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 12 '18 at 16:36
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Just served as some inspirations for others, I posted my derivation process. Maybe someone can help to review the process? I hope this is counted as en eligible answer.
My derivation process is like the following:
$$frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$$
so that:
$$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz+const$$
Consider $theta_{z=0}=0$:
$$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$$
Thus $z$ can be expressed by $theta$:
$$z=frac{e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}-b}{a}$$
For $x$ and $y$:
$$x=rcos{theta}$$
$$y=rsin{theta}$$
And the helix length is:
begin{equation*}
L_{helix}=int_{theta_1}^{theta_2}left[left(frac{dx}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dy}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dz}{dtheta}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
end{equation*}
The upper and lower boundary of $theta$ can be decided by plugging boundary conditions for $z=0$ and $z=L$ into $theta=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$
So the final form before solving the integral is:
begin{equation*}
L_{helix}=int_{frac{2pi}{a}log{b}}^{frac{2pi}{a}log{(aL+b)}}left[r^2+left(frac{1}{2pi}e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
end{equation*}
This can be solved in some software. To me, I think this first equation $frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$ is the key one. I'm not sure its correctness. I get it from intuition.
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Just served as some inspirations for others, I posted my derivation process. Maybe someone can help to review the process? I hope this is counted as en eligible answer.
My derivation process is like the following:
$$frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$$
so that:
$$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz+const$$
Consider $theta_{z=0}=0$:
$$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$$
Thus $z$ can be expressed by $theta$:
$$z=frac{e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}-b}{a}$$
For $x$ and $y$:
$$x=rcos{theta}$$
$$y=rsin{theta}$$
And the helix length is:
begin{equation*}
L_{helix}=int_{theta_1}^{theta_2}left[left(frac{dx}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dy}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dz}{dtheta}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
end{equation*}
The upper and lower boundary of $theta$ can be decided by plugging boundary conditions for $z=0$ and $z=L$ into $theta=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$
So the final form before solving the integral is:
begin{equation*}
L_{helix}=int_{frac{2pi}{a}log{b}}^{frac{2pi}{a}log{(aL+b)}}left[r^2+left(frac{1}{2pi}e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
end{equation*}
This can be solved in some software. To me, I think this first equation $frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$ is the key one. I'm not sure its correctness. I get it from intuition.
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Just served as some inspirations for others, I posted my derivation process. Maybe someone can help to review the process? I hope this is counted as en eligible answer.
My derivation process is like the following:
$$frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$$
so that:
$$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz+const$$
Consider $theta_{z=0}=0$:
$$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$$
Thus $z$ can be expressed by $theta$:
$$z=frac{e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}-b}{a}$$
For $x$ and $y$:
$$x=rcos{theta}$$
$$y=rsin{theta}$$
And the helix length is:
begin{equation*}
L_{helix}=int_{theta_1}^{theta_2}left[left(frac{dx}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dy}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dz}{dtheta}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
end{equation*}
The upper and lower boundary of $theta$ can be decided by plugging boundary conditions for $z=0$ and $z=L$ into $theta=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$
So the final form before solving the integral is:
begin{equation*}
L_{helix}=int_{frac{2pi}{a}log{b}}^{frac{2pi}{a}log{(aL+b)}}left[r^2+left(frac{1}{2pi}e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
end{equation*}
This can be solved in some software. To me, I think this first equation $frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$ is the key one. I'm not sure its correctness. I get it from intuition.
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Just served as some inspirations for others, I posted my derivation process. Maybe someone can help to review the process? I hope this is counted as en eligible answer.
My derivation process is like the following:
$$frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$$
so that:
$$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz+const$$
Consider $theta_{z=0}=0$:
$$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$$
Thus $z$ can be expressed by $theta$:
$$z=frac{e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}-b}{a}$$
For $x$ and $y$:
$$x=rcos{theta}$$
$$y=rsin{theta}$$
And the helix length is:
begin{equation*}
L_{helix}=int_{theta_1}^{theta_2}left[left(frac{dx}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dy}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dz}{dtheta}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
end{equation*}
The upper and lower boundary of $theta$ can be decided by plugging boundary conditions for $z=0$ and $z=L$ into $theta=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$
So the final form before solving the integral is:
begin{equation*}
L_{helix}=int_{frac{2pi}{a}log{b}}^{frac{2pi}{a}log{(aL+b)}}left[r^2+left(frac{1}{2pi}e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
end{equation*}
This can be solved in some software. To me, I think this first equation $frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$ is the key one. I'm not sure its correctness. I get it from intuition.
answered Dec 12 '18 at 16:16
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The pitch is the derivative of the $z$ position on the angle parameter, hence the element of arc is
$$sqrt{(at+b)^2+r^2},dt,$$
which integrates as follows:
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+sqrt((az%2Bb)%5E2%2Br%5E2)+dz
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Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:09
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@ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 12 '18 at 16:32
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The pitch is the derivative of the $z$ position on the angle parameter, hence the element of arc is
$$sqrt{(at+b)^2+r^2},dt,$$
which integrates as follows:
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+sqrt((az%2Bb)%5E2%2Br%5E2)+dz
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Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:09
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@ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 12 '18 at 16:32
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The pitch is the derivative of the $z$ position on the angle parameter, hence the element of arc is
$$sqrt{(at+b)^2+r^2},dt,$$
which integrates as follows:
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+sqrt((az%2Bb)%5E2%2Br%5E2)+dz
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The pitch is the derivative of the $z$ position on the angle parameter, hence the element of arc is
$$sqrt{(at+b)^2+r^2},dt,$$
which integrates as follows:
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+sqrt((az%2Bb)%5E2%2Br%5E2)+dz
edited Dec 12 '18 at 16:32
answered Dec 12 '18 at 15:42
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Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:09
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@ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 12 '18 at 16:32
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Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:09
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@ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 12 '18 at 16:32
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Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:09
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Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:09
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@ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 12 '18 at 16:32
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@ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
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– Yves Daoust
Dec 12 '18 at 16:32
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In your picture $x$ is the direction of the amplitude, but only the frequency increases (or the wavelength decreases reciprocally), as $z$ increases. Can you please clarify what you mean. For example, draw a longer segment.
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@JyrkiLahtonen Sorry for the confusion, it's indeed not clear. If using the coordinate system in the figure, the pitch function will be $P(z)=az+b$. And this shape is a 3D helix (like a spring) which becomes more and more "dense" when $z$ increases. This "density" is controlled by pitch $P(z)$. I will edit the question to clarify.
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Dec 12 '18 at 15:12
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Is your pitch the distance between turns (the usual definition) or the inverse, the number of turns per unit distance?. You talk about the spring getting denser as $z$ increases, while in the standard definition it should get less dense.
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@RossMillikan The pitch has the former definition. That is it's similar to a wavelength. And I think whether it's becoming denser or sparser depends on the sign of $a$ in the definition of $P(z)$.
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:06