How to calculate curve length of a helix with linearly variable pitch?












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I have designed a 3D helix which has a variable pitch $P(z)$ which is defined over the axial axis $z$ and has the form $P(z)=a*z+b$, $a$ and $b$ are constants. The larger the pitch, the sparser the helix should be at that part. It's like a wave which has variable wavelength. The radius of the helix is $r$. The total helix height (in $z$ direction) is $L$.



Since the helix has a linearly varying pitch, this spring-like helix will become more and more "dense" when $z$ increases if pitch decreases with $z$.



The question is how to express the helix length using all the aforementioned parameters?



I have a preliminary form, but this does not meet the result that I measured in the 3D CAD software.



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    In your picture $x$ is the direction of the amplitude, but only the frequency increases (or the wavelength decreases reciprocally), as $z$ increases. Can you please clarify what you mean. For example, draw a longer segment.
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    @JyrkiLahtonen Sorry for the confusion, it's indeed not clear. If using the coordinate system in the figure, the pitch function will be $P(z)=az+b$. And this shape is a 3D helix (like a spring) which becomes more and more "dense" when $z$ increases. This "density" is controlled by pitch $P(z)$. I will edit the question to clarify.
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    Is your pitch the distance between turns (the usual definition) or the inverse, the number of turns per unit distance?. You talk about the spring getting denser as $z$ increases, while in the standard definition it should get less dense.
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    @RossMillikan The pitch has the former definition. That is it's similar to a wavelength. And I think whether it's becoming denser or sparser depends on the sign of $a$ in the definition of $P(z)$.
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I have designed a 3D helix which has a variable pitch $P(z)$ which is defined over the axial axis $z$ and has the form $P(z)=a*z+b$, $a$ and $b$ are constants. The larger the pitch, the sparser the helix should be at that part. It's like a wave which has variable wavelength. The radius of the helix is $r$. The total helix height (in $z$ direction) is $L$.



Since the helix has a linearly varying pitch, this spring-like helix will become more and more "dense" when $z$ increases if pitch decreases with $z$.



The question is how to express the helix length using all the aforementioned parameters?



I have a preliminary form, but this does not meet the result that I measured in the 3D CAD software.



Schematic of a helix










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  • $begingroup$
    In your picture $x$ is the direction of the amplitude, but only the frequency increases (or the wavelength decreases reciprocally), as $z$ increases. Can you please clarify what you mean. For example, draw a longer segment.
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    – Jyrki Lahtonen
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    @JyrkiLahtonen Sorry for the confusion, it's indeed not clear. If using the coordinate system in the figure, the pitch function will be $P(z)=az+b$. And this shape is a 3D helix (like a spring) which becomes more and more "dense" when $z$ increases. This "density" is controlled by pitch $P(z)$. I will edit the question to clarify.
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    – Zhang Ze
    Dec 12 '18 at 15:12












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    Is your pitch the distance between turns (the usual definition) or the inverse, the number of turns per unit distance?. You talk about the spring getting denser as $z$ increases, while in the standard definition it should get less dense.
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    – Ross Millikan
    Dec 12 '18 at 15:37










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    @RossMillikan The pitch has the former definition. That is it's similar to a wavelength. And I think whether it's becoming denser or sparser depends on the sign of $a$ in the definition of $P(z)$.
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    – Zhang Ze
    Dec 12 '18 at 16:06














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I have designed a 3D helix which has a variable pitch $P(z)$ which is defined over the axial axis $z$ and has the form $P(z)=a*z+b$, $a$ and $b$ are constants. The larger the pitch, the sparser the helix should be at that part. It's like a wave which has variable wavelength. The radius of the helix is $r$. The total helix height (in $z$ direction) is $L$.



Since the helix has a linearly varying pitch, this spring-like helix will become more and more "dense" when $z$ increases if pitch decreases with $z$.



The question is how to express the helix length using all the aforementioned parameters?



I have a preliminary form, but this does not meet the result that I measured in the 3D CAD software.



Schematic of a helix










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I have designed a 3D helix which has a variable pitch $P(z)$ which is defined over the axial axis $z$ and has the form $P(z)=a*z+b$, $a$ and $b$ are constants. The larger the pitch, the sparser the helix should be at that part. It's like a wave which has variable wavelength. The radius of the helix is $r$. The total helix height (in $z$ direction) is $L$.



Since the helix has a linearly varying pitch, this spring-like helix will become more and more "dense" when $z$ increases if pitch decreases with $z$.



The question is how to express the helix length using all the aforementioned parameters?



I have a preliminary form, but this does not meet the result that I measured in the 3D CAD software.



Schematic of a helix







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    In your picture $x$ is the direction of the amplitude, but only the frequency increases (or the wavelength decreases reciprocally), as $z$ increases. Can you please clarify what you mean. For example, draw a longer segment.
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    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Dec 12 '18 at 15:05










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    @JyrkiLahtonen Sorry for the confusion, it's indeed not clear. If using the coordinate system in the figure, the pitch function will be $P(z)=az+b$. And this shape is a 3D helix (like a spring) which becomes more and more "dense" when $z$ increases. This "density" is controlled by pitch $P(z)$. I will edit the question to clarify.
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    – Zhang Ze
    Dec 12 '18 at 15:12












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    Is your pitch the distance between turns (the usual definition) or the inverse, the number of turns per unit distance?. You talk about the spring getting denser as $z$ increases, while in the standard definition it should get less dense.
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    – Ross Millikan
    Dec 12 '18 at 15:37










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    @RossMillikan The pitch has the former definition. That is it's similar to a wavelength. And I think whether it's becoming denser or sparser depends on the sign of $a$ in the definition of $P(z)$.
    $endgroup$
    – Zhang Ze
    Dec 12 '18 at 16:06


















  • $begingroup$
    In your picture $x$ is the direction of the amplitude, but only the frequency increases (or the wavelength decreases reciprocally), as $z$ increases. Can you please clarify what you mean. For example, draw a longer segment.
    $endgroup$
    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Dec 12 '18 at 15:05










  • $begingroup$
    @JyrkiLahtonen Sorry for the confusion, it's indeed not clear. If using the coordinate system in the figure, the pitch function will be $P(z)=az+b$. And this shape is a 3D helix (like a spring) which becomes more and more "dense" when $z$ increases. This "density" is controlled by pitch $P(z)$. I will edit the question to clarify.
    $endgroup$
    – Zhang Ze
    Dec 12 '18 at 15:12












  • $begingroup$
    Is your pitch the distance between turns (the usual definition) or the inverse, the number of turns per unit distance?. You talk about the spring getting denser as $z$ increases, while in the standard definition it should get less dense.
    $endgroup$
    – Ross Millikan
    Dec 12 '18 at 15:37










  • $begingroup$
    @RossMillikan The pitch has the former definition. That is it's similar to a wavelength. And I think whether it's becoming denser or sparser depends on the sign of $a$ in the definition of $P(z)$.
    $endgroup$
    – Zhang Ze
    Dec 12 '18 at 16:06
















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In your picture $x$ is the direction of the amplitude, but only the frequency increases (or the wavelength decreases reciprocally), as $z$ increases. Can you please clarify what you mean. For example, draw a longer segment.
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– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:05




$begingroup$
In your picture $x$ is the direction of the amplitude, but only the frequency increases (or the wavelength decreases reciprocally), as $z$ increases. Can you please clarify what you mean. For example, draw a longer segment.
$endgroup$
– Jyrki Lahtonen
Dec 12 '18 at 15:05












$begingroup$
@JyrkiLahtonen Sorry for the confusion, it's indeed not clear. If using the coordinate system in the figure, the pitch function will be $P(z)=az+b$. And this shape is a 3D helix (like a spring) which becomes more and more "dense" when $z$ increases. This "density" is controlled by pitch $P(z)$. I will edit the question to clarify.
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– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 15:12






$begingroup$
@JyrkiLahtonen Sorry for the confusion, it's indeed not clear. If using the coordinate system in the figure, the pitch function will be $P(z)=az+b$. And this shape is a 3D helix (like a spring) which becomes more and more "dense" when $z$ increases. This "density" is controlled by pitch $P(z)$. I will edit the question to clarify.
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– Zhang Ze
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$begingroup$
Is your pitch the distance between turns (the usual definition) or the inverse, the number of turns per unit distance?. You talk about the spring getting denser as $z$ increases, while in the standard definition it should get less dense.
$endgroup$
– Ross Millikan
Dec 12 '18 at 15:37




$begingroup$
Is your pitch the distance between turns (the usual definition) or the inverse, the number of turns per unit distance?. You talk about the spring getting denser as $z$ increases, while in the standard definition it should get less dense.
$endgroup$
– Ross Millikan
Dec 12 '18 at 15:37












$begingroup$
@RossMillikan The pitch has the former definition. That is it's similar to a wavelength. And I think whether it's becoming denser or sparser depends on the sign of $a$ in the definition of $P(z)$.
$endgroup$
– Zhang Ze
Dec 12 '18 at 16:06




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@RossMillikan The pitch has the former definition. That is it's similar to a wavelength. And I think whether it's becoming denser or sparser depends on the sign of $a$ in the definition of $P(z)$.
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Parametrize the helix as



begin{eqnarray}
x(t) &=& r cos (2pi t) \
y(t) &=& r sin (2pi t) \
z(t) &=& at + b
end{eqnarray}



The length of the helix is



$$
L = int_{t_1}^{t_2}left[ left(frac{{rm d}x}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}y}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}z}{{rm d}t} right)^2right]^{1/2}{rm d}t = int_{t_1}^{t_2}[b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2]^{1/2}{rm d}t = sqrt{b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2}(t_2 - t_1)
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    The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
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    @JyrkiLahtonen You're right, it is a bit confusing. I will delete the answer if this is not what the OP had in mind
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    Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
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    Your solution is for a constant pitch.
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Just served as some inspirations for others, I posted my derivation process. Maybe someone can help to review the process? I hope this is counted as en eligible answer.



My derivation process is like the following:



$$frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$$
so that:
$$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz+const$$



Consider $theta_{z=0}=0$:



$$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$$



Thus $z$ can be expressed by $theta$:



$$z=frac{e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}-b}{a}$$



For $x$ and $y$:



$$x=rcos{theta}$$
$$y=rsin{theta}$$



And the helix length is:



begin{equation*}
L_{helix}=int_{theta_1}^{theta_2}left[left(frac{dx}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dy}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dz}{dtheta}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
end{equation*}



The upper and lower boundary of $theta$ can be decided by plugging boundary conditions for $z=0$ and $z=L$ into $theta=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$



So the final form before solving the integral is:



begin{equation*}
L_{helix}=int_{frac{2pi}{a}log{b}}^{frac{2pi}{a}log{(aL+b)}}left[r^2+left(frac{1}{2pi}e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
end{equation*}



This can be solved in some software. To me, I think this first equation $frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$ is the key one. I'm not sure its correctness. I get it from intuition.






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    The pitch is the derivative of the $z$ position on the angle parameter, hence the element of arc is



    $$sqrt{(at+b)^2+r^2},dt,$$



    which integrates as follows:



    https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+sqrt((az%2Bb)%5E2%2Br%5E2)+dz






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      Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
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      @ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
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    Parametrize the helix as



    begin{eqnarray}
    x(t) &=& r cos (2pi t) \
    y(t) &=& r sin (2pi t) \
    z(t) &=& at + b
    end{eqnarray}



    The length of the helix is



    $$
    L = int_{t_1}^{t_2}left[ left(frac{{rm d}x}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}y}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}z}{{rm d}t} right)^2right]^{1/2}{rm d}t = int_{t_1}^{t_2}[b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2]^{1/2}{rm d}t = sqrt{b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2}(t_2 - t_1)
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      The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
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      @JyrkiLahtonen You're right, it is a bit confusing. I will delete the answer if this is not what the OP had in mind
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      Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
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      Your solution is for a constant pitch.
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    Parametrize the helix as



    begin{eqnarray}
    x(t) &=& r cos (2pi t) \
    y(t) &=& r sin (2pi t) \
    z(t) &=& at + b
    end{eqnarray}



    The length of the helix is



    $$
    L = int_{t_1}^{t_2}left[ left(frac{{rm d}x}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}y}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}z}{{rm d}t} right)^2right]^{1/2}{rm d}t = int_{t_1}^{t_2}[b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2]^{1/2}{rm d}t = sqrt{b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2}(t_2 - t_1)
    $$






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      The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
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      Dec 12 '18 at 15:02










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      @JyrkiLahtonen You're right, it is a bit confusing. I will delete the answer if this is not what the OP had in mind
      $endgroup$
      – caverac
      Dec 12 '18 at 15:03










    • $begingroup$
      Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
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      – Zhang Ze
      Dec 12 '18 at 15:06










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      Your solution is for a constant pitch.
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      – Yves Daoust
      Dec 12 '18 at 16:36














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    Parametrize the helix as



    begin{eqnarray}
    x(t) &=& r cos (2pi t) \
    y(t) &=& r sin (2pi t) \
    z(t) &=& at + b
    end{eqnarray}



    The length of the helix is



    $$
    L = int_{t_1}^{t_2}left[ left(frac{{rm d}x}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}y}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}z}{{rm d}t} right)^2right]^{1/2}{rm d}t = int_{t_1}^{t_2}[b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2]^{1/2}{rm d}t = sqrt{b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2}(t_2 - t_1)
    $$






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    Parametrize the helix as



    begin{eqnarray}
    x(t) &=& r cos (2pi t) \
    y(t) &=& r sin (2pi t) \
    z(t) &=& at + b
    end{eqnarray}



    The length of the helix is



    $$
    L = int_{t_1}^{t_2}left[ left(frac{{rm d}x}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}y}{{rm d}t} right)^2 + left(frac{{rm d}z}{{rm d}t} right)^2right]^{1/2}{rm d}t = int_{t_1}^{t_2}[b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2]^{1/2}{rm d}t = sqrt{b^2 + 4pi^2 r^2}(t_2 - t_1)
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    • $begingroup$
      The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
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      @JyrkiLahtonen You're right, it is a bit confusing. I will delete the answer if this is not what the OP had in mind
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      – caverac
      Dec 12 '18 at 15:03










    • $begingroup$
      Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
      $endgroup$
      – Zhang Ze
      Dec 12 '18 at 15:06










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      Your solution is for a constant pitch.
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      – Yves Daoust
      Dec 12 '18 at 16:36


















    • $begingroup$
      The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
      $endgroup$
      – Jyrki Lahtonen
      Dec 12 '18 at 15:02










    • $begingroup$
      @JyrkiLahtonen You're right, it is a bit confusing. I will delete the answer if this is not what the OP had in mind
      $endgroup$
      – caverac
      Dec 12 '18 at 15:03










    • $begingroup$
      Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
      $endgroup$
      – Zhang Ze
      Dec 12 '18 at 15:06










    • $begingroup$
      Your solution is for a constant pitch.
      $endgroup$
      – Yves Daoust
      Dec 12 '18 at 16:36
















    $begingroup$
    The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
    $endgroup$
    – Jyrki Lahtonen
    Dec 12 '18 at 15:02




    $begingroup$
    The way I read the question gave me the impression that the "pitch", i.e. the frequency, varies linearly. So your "constant pitch" $=2pi$ should actually increase linearly as a function of $t$. Admittedly the OP is unclear, because the say that the pitch should vary as a function of $x$, but in their image it varies as a function of $z$.
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    Dec 12 '18 at 15:03




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    @JyrkiLahtonen You're right, it is a bit confusing. I will delete the answer if this is not what the OP had in mind
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    Dec 12 '18 at 15:03












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    Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
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    – Zhang Ze
    Dec 12 '18 at 15:06




    $begingroup$
    Hi, thanks for the reply. I have difficulty in understanding $z(t)=at+b$. It seems to me that $z$ is related to pitch $P(x)$ through integration: $Delta t*P(z)=Delta z$. Would you elaborate on it a little bit?
    $endgroup$
    – Zhang Ze
    Dec 12 '18 at 15:06












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    Your solution is for a constant pitch.
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    – Yves Daoust
    Dec 12 '18 at 16:36




    $begingroup$
    Your solution is for a constant pitch.
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    – Yves Daoust
    Dec 12 '18 at 16:36











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    Just served as some inspirations for others, I posted my derivation process. Maybe someone can help to review the process? I hope this is counted as en eligible answer.



    My derivation process is like the following:



    $$frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$$
    so that:
    $$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz+const$$



    Consider $theta_{z=0}=0$:



    $$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$$



    Thus $z$ can be expressed by $theta$:



    $$z=frac{e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}-b}{a}$$



    For $x$ and $y$:



    $$x=rcos{theta}$$
    $$y=rsin{theta}$$



    And the helix length is:



    begin{equation*}
    L_{helix}=int_{theta_1}^{theta_2}left[left(frac{dx}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dy}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dz}{dtheta}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
    end{equation*}



    The upper and lower boundary of $theta$ can be decided by plugging boundary conditions for $z=0$ and $z=L$ into $theta=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$



    So the final form before solving the integral is:



    begin{equation*}
    L_{helix}=int_{frac{2pi}{a}log{b}}^{frac{2pi}{a}log{(aL+b)}}left[r^2+left(frac{1}{2pi}e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
    end{equation*}



    This can be solved in some software. To me, I think this first equation $frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$ is the key one. I'm not sure its correctness. I get it from intuition.






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      1












      $begingroup$

      Just served as some inspirations for others, I posted my derivation process. Maybe someone can help to review the process? I hope this is counted as en eligible answer.



      My derivation process is like the following:



      $$frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$$
      so that:
      $$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz+const$$



      Consider $theta_{z=0}=0$:



      $$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$$



      Thus $z$ can be expressed by $theta$:



      $$z=frac{e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}-b}{a}$$



      For $x$ and $y$:



      $$x=rcos{theta}$$
      $$y=rsin{theta}$$



      And the helix length is:



      begin{equation*}
      L_{helix}=int_{theta_1}^{theta_2}left[left(frac{dx}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dy}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dz}{dtheta}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
      end{equation*}



      The upper and lower boundary of $theta$ can be decided by plugging boundary conditions for $z=0$ and $z=L$ into $theta=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$



      So the final form before solving the integral is:



      begin{equation*}
      L_{helix}=int_{frac{2pi}{a}log{b}}^{frac{2pi}{a}log{(aL+b)}}left[r^2+left(frac{1}{2pi}e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
      end{equation*}



      This can be solved in some software. To me, I think this first equation $frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$ is the key one. I'm not sure its correctness. I get it from intuition.






      share|cite|improve this answer









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        1





        $begingroup$

        Just served as some inspirations for others, I posted my derivation process. Maybe someone can help to review the process? I hope this is counted as en eligible answer.



        My derivation process is like the following:



        $$frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$$
        so that:
        $$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz+const$$



        Consider $theta_{z=0}=0$:



        $$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$$



        Thus $z$ can be expressed by $theta$:



        $$z=frac{e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}-b}{a}$$



        For $x$ and $y$:



        $$x=rcos{theta}$$
        $$y=rsin{theta}$$



        And the helix length is:



        begin{equation*}
        L_{helix}=int_{theta_1}^{theta_2}left[left(frac{dx}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dy}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dz}{dtheta}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
        end{equation*}



        The upper and lower boundary of $theta$ can be decided by plugging boundary conditions for $z=0$ and $z=L$ into $theta=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$



        So the final form before solving the integral is:



        begin{equation*}
        L_{helix}=int_{frac{2pi}{a}log{b}}^{frac{2pi}{a}log{(aL+b)}}left[r^2+left(frac{1}{2pi}e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
        end{equation*}



        This can be solved in some software. To me, I think this first equation $frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$ is the key one. I'm not sure its correctness. I get it from intuition.






        share|cite|improve this answer









        $endgroup$



        Just served as some inspirations for others, I posted my derivation process. Maybe someone can help to review the process? I hope this is counted as en eligible answer.



        My derivation process is like the following:



        $$frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$$
        so that:
        $$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz+const$$



        Consider $theta_{z=0}=0$:



        $$theta=2piint_0^zfrac{1}{P(z)}dz=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$$



        Thus $z$ can be expressed by $theta$:



        $$z=frac{e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}-b}{a}$$



        For $x$ and $y$:



        $$x=rcos{theta}$$
        $$y=rsin{theta}$$



        And the helix length is:



        begin{equation*}
        L_{helix}=int_{theta_1}^{theta_2}left[left(frac{dx}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dy}{dtheta}right)^2+left(frac{dz}{dtheta}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
        end{equation*}



        The upper and lower boundary of $theta$ can be decided by plugging boundary conditions for $z=0$ and $z=L$ into $theta=frac{2pi}{a}log(az+b)$



        So the final form before solving the integral is:



        begin{equation*}
        L_{helix}=int_{frac{2pi}{a}log{b}}^{frac{2pi}{a}log{(aL+b)}}left[r^2+left(frac{1}{2pi}e^{frac{atheta}{2pi}}right)^2right]^frac{1}{2}dtheta
        end{equation*}



        This can be solved in some software. To me, I think this first equation $frac{dz}{dtheta}=frac{P(z)}{2pi}$ is the key one. I'm not sure its correctness. I get it from intuition.







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        answered Dec 12 '18 at 16:16









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            The pitch is the derivative of the $z$ position on the angle parameter, hence the element of arc is



            $$sqrt{(at+b)^2+r^2},dt,$$



            which integrates as follows:



            https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+sqrt((az%2Bb)%5E2%2Br%5E2)+dz






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            • $begingroup$
              Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
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              – Zhang Ze
              Dec 12 '18 at 16:09










            • $begingroup$
              @ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
              $endgroup$
              – Yves Daoust
              Dec 12 '18 at 16:32


















            0












            $begingroup$

            The pitch is the derivative of the $z$ position on the angle parameter, hence the element of arc is



            $$sqrt{(at+b)^2+r^2},dt,$$



            which integrates as follows:



            https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+sqrt((az%2Bb)%5E2%2Br%5E2)+dz






            share|cite|improve this answer











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            • $begingroup$
              Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
              $endgroup$
              – Zhang Ze
              Dec 12 '18 at 16:09










            • $begingroup$
              @ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
              $endgroup$
              – Yves Daoust
              Dec 12 '18 at 16:32
















            0












            0








            0





            $begingroup$

            The pitch is the derivative of the $z$ position on the angle parameter, hence the element of arc is



            $$sqrt{(at+b)^2+r^2},dt,$$



            which integrates as follows:



            https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+sqrt((az%2Bb)%5E2%2Br%5E2)+dz






            share|cite|improve this answer











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            The pitch is the derivative of the $z$ position on the angle parameter, hence the element of arc is



            $$sqrt{(at+b)^2+r^2},dt,$$



            which integrates as follows:



            https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+sqrt((az%2Bb)%5E2%2Br%5E2)+dz







            share|cite|improve this answer














            share|cite|improve this answer



            share|cite|improve this answer








            edited Dec 12 '18 at 16:32

























            answered Dec 12 '18 at 15:42









            Yves DaoustYves Daoust

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            • $begingroup$
              Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
              $endgroup$
              – Zhang Ze
              Dec 12 '18 at 16:09










            • $begingroup$
              @ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
              $endgroup$
              – Yves Daoust
              Dec 12 '18 at 16:32




















            • $begingroup$
              Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
              $endgroup$
              – Zhang Ze
              Dec 12 '18 at 16:09










            • $begingroup$
              @ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
              $endgroup$
              – Yves Daoust
              Dec 12 '18 at 16:32


















            $begingroup$
            Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
            $endgroup$
            – Zhang Ze
            Dec 12 '18 at 16:09




            $begingroup$
            Hi, I don't quite get the pitch is the derivative of the z position part. You mean it's the derivative of $z$ in terms of which variable? Would you elaborate on that?
            $endgroup$
            – Zhang Ze
            Dec 12 '18 at 16:09












            $begingroup$
            @ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
            $endgroup$
            – Yves Daoust
            Dec 12 '18 at 16:32






            $begingroup$
            @ZhangZe: I was wrong, it's in terms of $t$ where $t$ represents the rotation angle. The $z$ value is a quadratic function of $t$.
            $endgroup$
            – Yves Daoust
            Dec 12 '18 at 16:32




















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