Can you break this curse from Princes of the Apocalypse by being reduced to 0 hp?
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In Princes of the Apocalypse, a player got hit with Ghaunadaur’s curse... The rules for the curse state (Temple of the Elder Elemental Eye, room F19; PotA, p. 121):
The curse is like a polymorph spell, except it turns the offender into an ochre jelly that lacks the Split reaction. A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
It says it's like a polymorph spell... and polymorph's description says that:
The transformation lasts for the duration, or until the target drops to 0 hit points or dies.
The part I'm hung up on is the a greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect part... does that mean only a greater restoration or remove curse spell ends the effect? The wording almost suggests that this overrules the way polymorph works (since it's a curse).
Bottom line - does dropping to 0 hp end the curse?
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In Princes of the Apocalypse, a player got hit with Ghaunadaur’s curse... The rules for the curse state (Temple of the Elder Elemental Eye, room F19; PotA, p. 121):
The curse is like a polymorph spell, except it turns the offender into an ochre jelly that lacks the Split reaction. A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
It says it's like a polymorph spell... and polymorph's description says that:
The transformation lasts for the duration, or until the target drops to 0 hit points or dies.
The part I'm hung up on is the a greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect part... does that mean only a greater restoration or remove curse spell ends the effect? The wording almost suggests that this overrules the way polymorph works (since it's a curse).
Bottom line - does dropping to 0 hp end the curse?
dnd-5e published-adventures polymorph curses princes-of-the-apocalypse
edited Jan 12 at 18:41
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I don't have access to this module, is your quote of the curse accurate in formatting?
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 17:27
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It's a literal copy/paste of the only two sentences about it (will I get in trouble for pasting this?)... the sentences before it explain how the curse gets inflicted (the DC, type of save, etc). There's no other information about it.
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– Hylianux
Jan 11 at 17:35
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For future reference, linking to D&D Beyond is perfectly fine, even references that are not public.
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– Sdjz
Jan 11 at 17:36
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Hmm... should I modify the title to say "polymorph-like curse"? I'm beginning to think that distinction might be necessary...
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– Hylianux
Jan 11 at 17:45
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@Hylianux There is no need, the question is fine as is. If such a distinction is necessary it is up to the answers to state/clarify that
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– Sdjz
Jan 11 at 17:54
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In Princes of the Apocalypse, a player got hit with Ghaunadaur’s curse... The rules for the curse state (Temple of the Elder Elemental Eye, room F19; PotA, p. 121):
The curse is like a polymorph spell, except it turns the offender into an ochre jelly that lacks the Split reaction. A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
It says it's like a polymorph spell... and polymorph's description says that:
The transformation lasts for the duration, or until the target drops to 0 hit points or dies.
The part I'm hung up on is the a greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect part... does that mean only a greater restoration or remove curse spell ends the effect? The wording almost suggests that this overrules the way polymorph works (since it's a curse).
Bottom line - does dropping to 0 hp end the curse?
dnd-5e published-adventures polymorph curses princes-of-the-apocalypse
edited Jan 12 at 18:41
SevenSidedDie♦
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asked Jan 11 at 16:37
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In Princes of the Apocalypse, a player got hit with Ghaunadaur’s curse... The rules for the curse state (Temple of the Elder Elemental Eye, room F19; PotA, p. 121):
The curse is like a polymorph spell, except it turns the offender into an ochre jelly that lacks the Split reaction. A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
It says it's like a polymorph spell... and polymorph's description says that:
The transformation lasts for the duration, or until the target drops to 0 hit points or dies.
The part I'm hung up on is the a greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect part... does that mean only a greater restoration or remove curse spell ends the effect? The wording almost suggests that this overrules the way polymorph works (since it's a curse).
Bottom line - does dropping to 0 hp end the curse?
dnd-5e published-adventures polymorph curses princes-of-the-apocalypse
dnd-5e published-adventures polymorph curses princes-of-the-apocalypse
edited Jan 12 at 18:41
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asked Jan 11 at 16:37
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edited Jan 12 at 18:41
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I don't have access to this module, is your quote of the curse accurate in formatting?
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 17:27
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It's a literal copy/paste of the only two sentences about it (will I get in trouble for pasting this?)... the sentences before it explain how the curse gets inflicted (the DC, type of save, etc). There's no other information about it.
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– Hylianux
Jan 11 at 17:35
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For future reference, linking to D&D Beyond is perfectly fine, even references that are not public.
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– Sdjz
Jan 11 at 17:36
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Hmm... should I modify the title to say "polymorph-like curse"? I'm beginning to think that distinction might be necessary...
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– Hylianux
Jan 11 at 17:45
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@Hylianux There is no need, the question is fine as is. If such a distinction is necessary it is up to the answers to state/clarify that
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– Sdjz
Jan 11 at 17:54
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I don't have access to this module, is your quote of the curse accurate in formatting?
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 17:27
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It's a literal copy/paste of the only two sentences about it (will I get in trouble for pasting this?)... the sentences before it explain how the curse gets inflicted (the DC, type of save, etc). There's no other information about it.
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– Hylianux
Jan 11 at 17:35
1
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For future reference, linking to D&D Beyond is perfectly fine, even references that are not public.
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– Sdjz
Jan 11 at 17:36
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Hmm... should I modify the title to say "polymorph-like curse"? I'm beginning to think that distinction might be necessary...
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– Hylianux
Jan 11 at 17:45
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@Hylianux There is no need, the question is fine as is. If such a distinction is necessary it is up to the answers to state/clarify that
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– Sdjz
Jan 11 at 17:54
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I don't have access to this module, is your quote of the curse accurate in formatting?
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 17:27
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I don't have access to this module, is your quote of the curse accurate in formatting?
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 17:27
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It's a literal copy/paste of the only two sentences about it (will I get in trouble for pasting this?)... the sentences before it explain how the curse gets inflicted (the DC, type of save, etc). There's no other information about it.
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– Hylianux
Jan 11 at 17:35
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It's a literal copy/paste of the only two sentences about it (will I get in trouble for pasting this?)... the sentences before it explain how the curse gets inflicted (the DC, type of save, etc). There's no other information about it.
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– Hylianux
Jan 11 at 17:35
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1
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For future reference, linking to D&D Beyond is perfectly fine, even references that are not public.
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– Sdjz
Jan 11 at 17:36
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For future reference, linking to D&D Beyond is perfectly fine, even references that are not public.
$endgroup$
– Sdjz
Jan 11 at 17:36
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Hmm... should I modify the title to say "polymorph-like curse"? I'm beginning to think that distinction might be necessary...
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– Hylianux
Jan 11 at 17:45
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Hmm... should I modify the title to say "polymorph-like curse"? I'm beginning to think that distinction might be necessary...
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– Hylianux
Jan 11 at 17:45
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2
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@Hylianux There is no need, the question is fine as is. If such a distinction is necessary it is up to the answers to state/clarify that
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– Sdjz
Jan 11 at 17:54
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@Hylianux There is no need, the question is fine as is. If such a distinction is necessary it is up to the answers to state/clarify that
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– Sdjz
Jan 11 at 17:54
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No, it is not the spell polymorph
We don't know what "like the polymorph spell" means, but we do know that there are times when a specific mechanic is provided and when something similar is done.
There are many examples of creatures that can "polymorph" but that don't directly associate with the polymorph spell. When that direct mechanic is used, WoTC typically uses language like "as if casting polymorph" with the associated italics. Without the italics and language, I don't think we can assume that it works exactly the same way - especially when there is language on how to remove it that is different from polymorph.
With this curse, we don't know the extent of what the similarity is (other than changing your form and statistics), but we do know that unlike polymorph, the only way to end this is the language in the curse of:
A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
That above language is not in the actual spell polymorph, so those are the only things that can end this particular curse and not the standard ways of ending polymorph like HP to 0 or even dispel magic.
Bestowing a Curse
The spell Bestow Curse utilizes similar removal techniques to this particular curse. The listed removal techniques for this spell are Remove Curse and Greater Restoration's specific bullet point. However, Dispel Magic seems to remain an option for Bestow Curse where it is may not be an option for this particular curse. That's up to another question to resolve :)
For whether or not Dispel Magic would work on this curse requires determining if Ghaundaur's Curse is a magical effect or not. Based on this question it does appear that it is a magical effect as it is like a spell.
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As I commented to Mr Spudtastic, it may be worth exploring the "bestow curse" thread from the "curse" piece of the name Ghaunadaur’s curse for the affliction/spell that turns creatures into an ooze. Your call.
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@KorvinStarmast Great idea. I've added it - and then realized this generates another question about dispel magic.
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 17:54
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Naut, all I can do is offer you an evil grin - my work is done here. :)
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:55
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@KorvinStarmast Here it is. I have a feeling it's obvious, but interesting enough to ask and clarify :)
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By RAW, yes, dropping to 0 hp does end the curse
If the text you gave is, as stated in your comment, the only information given about the curse, then all the normal means of ending a polymorph spell will end the curse.
As quoted,
The curse is like a polymorph spell, except it turns the offender into an ochre jelly that lacks the Split reaction.
Meaning, that it should otherwise be like the Polymorph spell in every way except those that are specifically noted.
A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
This doesn't exclude the normal means of ending the spell. It just adds an additional means to end the curse. It still maintains its "like a polymorph spell" status.
To add clarity, you can look at T.J.L.'s answer on this question. To summarize in his words, it's "Additive, Not Exclusive".
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While I appreciate your reasoning, a lot of NPC abilities and module specific-details are not identical to what's in the PHB, and tend to be "custom made for this module" things. I think that your answer would be improved if you explored the fact that the term "curse" is used in the spell description and show the relationship to the bestow curse spell ... your call.
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– KorvinStarmast
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Yeah, I'll admit, "like a polymorph spell" might not be as far-reaching as I think it is. If that is indeed the case, then Nautarch has provided a good answer for that line of reasoning.
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Wouldn't the specific mention of "like polymorph" beat the general likeness this effect has with Bestow Curse?
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No, it is not the spell polymorph
We don't know what "like the polymorph spell" means, but we do know that there are times when a specific mechanic is provided and when something similar is done.
There are many examples of creatures that can "polymorph" but that don't directly associate with the polymorph spell. When that direct mechanic is used, WoTC typically uses language like "as if casting polymorph" with the associated italics. Without the italics and language, I don't think we can assume that it works exactly the same way - especially when there is language on how to remove it that is different from polymorph.
With this curse, we don't know the extent of what the similarity is (other than changing your form and statistics), but we do know that unlike polymorph, the only way to end this is the language in the curse of:
A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
That above language is not in the actual spell polymorph, so those are the only things that can end this particular curse and not the standard ways of ending polymorph like HP to 0 or even dispel magic.
Bestowing a Curse
The spell Bestow Curse utilizes similar removal techniques to this particular curse. The listed removal techniques for this spell are Remove Curse and Greater Restoration's specific bullet point. However, Dispel Magic seems to remain an option for Bestow Curse where it is may not be an option for this particular curse. That's up to another question to resolve :)
For whether or not Dispel Magic would work on this curse requires determining if Ghaundaur's Curse is a magical effect or not. Based on this question it does appear that it is a magical effect as it is like a spell.
edited Jan 11 at 18:43
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As I commented to Mr Spudtastic, it may be worth exploring the "bestow curse" thread from the "curse" piece of the name Ghaunadaur’s curse for the affliction/spell that turns creatures into an ooze. Your call.
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:47
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@KorvinStarmast Great idea. I've added it - and then realized this generates another question about dispel magic.
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 17:54
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Naut, all I can do is offer you an evil grin - my work is done here. :)
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:55
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@KorvinStarmast Here it is. I have a feeling it's obvious, but interesting enough to ask and clarify :)
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 18:17
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No, it is not the spell polymorph
We don't know what "like the polymorph spell" means, but we do know that there are times when a specific mechanic is provided and when something similar is done.
There are many examples of creatures that can "polymorph" but that don't directly associate with the polymorph spell. When that direct mechanic is used, WoTC typically uses language like "as if casting polymorph" with the associated italics. Without the italics and language, I don't think we can assume that it works exactly the same way - especially when there is language on how to remove it that is different from polymorph.
With this curse, we don't know the extent of what the similarity is (other than changing your form and statistics), but we do know that unlike polymorph, the only way to end this is the language in the curse of:
A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
That above language is not in the actual spell polymorph, so those are the only things that can end this particular curse and not the standard ways of ending polymorph like HP to 0 or even dispel magic.
Bestowing a Curse
The spell Bestow Curse utilizes similar removal techniques to this particular curse. The listed removal techniques for this spell are Remove Curse and Greater Restoration's specific bullet point. However, Dispel Magic seems to remain an option for Bestow Curse where it is may not be an option for this particular curse. That's up to another question to resolve :)
For whether or not Dispel Magic would work on this curse requires determining if Ghaundaur's Curse is a magical effect or not. Based on this question it does appear that it is a magical effect as it is like a spell.
edited Jan 11 at 18:43
Rubiksmoose
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answered Jan 11 at 17:18
NautArchNautArch
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As I commented to Mr Spudtastic, it may be worth exploring the "bestow curse" thread from the "curse" piece of the name Ghaunadaur’s curse for the affliction/spell that turns creatures into an ooze. Your call.
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:47
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@KorvinStarmast Great idea. I've added it - and then realized this generates another question about dispel magic.
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 17:54
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Naut, all I can do is offer you an evil grin - my work is done here. :)
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:55
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@KorvinStarmast Here it is. I have a feeling it's obvious, but interesting enough to ask and clarify :)
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 18:17
add a comment |
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No, it is not the spell polymorph
We don't know what "like the polymorph spell" means, but we do know that there are times when a specific mechanic is provided and when something similar is done.
There are many examples of creatures that can "polymorph" but that don't directly associate with the polymorph spell. When that direct mechanic is used, WoTC typically uses language like "as if casting polymorph" with the associated italics. Without the italics and language, I don't think we can assume that it works exactly the same way - especially when there is language on how to remove it that is different from polymorph.
With this curse, we don't know the extent of what the similarity is (other than changing your form and statistics), but we do know that unlike polymorph, the only way to end this is the language in the curse of:
A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
That above language is not in the actual spell polymorph, so those are the only things that can end this particular curse and not the standard ways of ending polymorph like HP to 0 or even dispel magic.
Bestowing a Curse
The spell Bestow Curse utilizes similar removal techniques to this particular curse. The listed removal techniques for this spell are Remove Curse and Greater Restoration's specific bullet point. However, Dispel Magic seems to remain an option for Bestow Curse where it is may not be an option for this particular curse. That's up to another question to resolve :)
For whether or not Dispel Magic would work on this curse requires determining if Ghaundaur's Curse is a magical effect or not. Based on this question it does appear that it is a magical effect as it is like a spell.
edited Jan 11 at 18:43
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No, it is not the spell polymorph
We don't know what "like the polymorph spell" means, but we do know that there are times when a specific mechanic is provided and when something similar is done.
There are many examples of creatures that can "polymorph" but that don't directly associate with the polymorph spell. When that direct mechanic is used, WoTC typically uses language like "as if casting polymorph" with the associated italics. Without the italics and language, I don't think we can assume that it works exactly the same way - especially when there is language on how to remove it that is different from polymorph.
With this curse, we don't know the extent of what the similarity is (other than changing your form and statistics), but we do know that unlike polymorph, the only way to end this is the language in the curse of:
A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
That above language is not in the actual spell polymorph, so those are the only things that can end this particular curse and not the standard ways of ending polymorph like HP to 0 or even dispel magic.
Bestowing a Curse
The spell Bestow Curse utilizes similar removal techniques to this particular curse. The listed removal techniques for this spell are Remove Curse and Greater Restoration's specific bullet point. However, Dispel Magic seems to remain an option for Bestow Curse where it is may not be an option for this particular curse. That's up to another question to resolve :)
For whether or not Dispel Magic would work on this curse requires determining if Ghaundaur's Curse is a magical effect or not. Based on this question it does appear that it is a magical effect as it is like a spell.
edited Jan 11 at 18:43
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answered Jan 11 at 17:18
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As I commented to Mr Spudtastic, it may be worth exploring the "bestow curse" thread from the "curse" piece of the name Ghaunadaur’s curse for the affliction/spell that turns creatures into an ooze. Your call.
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:47
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@KorvinStarmast Great idea. I've added it - and then realized this generates another question about dispel magic.
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 17:54
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Naut, all I can do is offer you an evil grin - my work is done here. :)
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:55
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@KorvinStarmast Here it is. I have a feeling it's obvious, but interesting enough to ask and clarify :)
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 18:17
add a comment |
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As I commented to Mr Spudtastic, it may be worth exploring the "bestow curse" thread from the "curse" piece of the name Ghaunadaur’s curse for the affliction/spell that turns creatures into an ooze. Your call.
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:47
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@KorvinStarmast Great idea. I've added it - and then realized this generates another question about dispel magic.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
Jan 11 at 17:54
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Naut, all I can do is offer you an evil grin - my work is done here. :)
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:55
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@KorvinStarmast Here it is. I have a feeling it's obvious, but interesting enough to ask and clarify :)
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 18:17
1
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As I commented to Mr Spudtastic, it may be worth exploring the "bestow curse" thread from the "curse" piece of the name Ghaunadaur’s curse for the affliction/spell that turns creatures into an ooze. Your call.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:47
$begingroup$
As I commented to Mr Spudtastic, it may be worth exploring the "bestow curse" thread from the "curse" piece of the name Ghaunadaur’s curse for the affliction/spell that turns creatures into an ooze. Your call.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:47
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@KorvinStarmast Great idea. I've added it - and then realized this generates another question about dispel magic.
$endgroup$
– NautArch
Jan 11 at 17:54
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@KorvinStarmast Great idea. I've added it - and then realized this generates another question about dispel magic.
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 17:54
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Naut, all I can do is offer you an evil grin - my work is done here. :)
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:55
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Naut, all I can do is offer you an evil grin - my work is done here. :)
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:55
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@KorvinStarmast Here it is. I have a feeling it's obvious, but interesting enough to ask and clarify :)
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 18:17
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@KorvinStarmast Here it is. I have a feeling it's obvious, but interesting enough to ask and clarify :)
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 18:17
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By RAW, yes, dropping to 0 hp does end the curse
If the text you gave is, as stated in your comment, the only information given about the curse, then all the normal means of ending a polymorph spell will end the curse.
As quoted,
The curse is like a polymorph spell, except it turns the offender into an ochre jelly that lacks the Split reaction.
Meaning, that it should otherwise be like the Polymorph spell in every way except those that are specifically noted.
A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
This doesn't exclude the normal means of ending the spell. It just adds an additional means to end the curse. It still maintains its "like a polymorph spell" status.
To add clarity, you can look at T.J.L.'s answer on this question. To summarize in his words, it's "Additive, Not Exclusive".
edited Jan 12 at 5:11
V2Blast
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answered Jan 11 at 17:07
MrSpudtasticMrSpudtastic
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While I appreciate your reasoning, a lot of NPC abilities and module specific-details are not identical to what's in the PHB, and tend to be "custom made for this module" things. I think that your answer would be improved if you explored the fact that the term "curse" is used in the spell description and show the relationship to the bestow curse spell ... your call.
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:34
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Yeah, I'll admit, "like a polymorph spell" might not be as far-reaching as I think it is. If that is indeed the case, then Nautarch has provided a good answer for that line of reasoning.
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– MrSpudtastic
Jan 11 at 17:46
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Wouldn't the specific mention of "like polymorph" beat the general likeness this effect has with Bestow Curse?
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– R. McMillan
Jan 11 at 20:17
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By RAW, yes, dropping to 0 hp does end the curse
If the text you gave is, as stated in your comment, the only information given about the curse, then all the normal means of ending a polymorph spell will end the curse.
As quoted,
The curse is like a polymorph spell, except it turns the offender into an ochre jelly that lacks the Split reaction.
Meaning, that it should otherwise be like the Polymorph spell in every way except those that are specifically noted.
A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
This doesn't exclude the normal means of ending the spell. It just adds an additional means to end the curse. It still maintains its "like a polymorph spell" status.
To add clarity, you can look at T.J.L.'s answer on this question. To summarize in his words, it's "Additive, Not Exclusive".
edited Jan 12 at 5:11
V2Blast
21.4k361135
answered Jan 11 at 17:07
MrSpudtasticMrSpudtastic
3555
$endgroup$
1
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While I appreciate your reasoning, a lot of NPC abilities and module specific-details are not identical to what's in the PHB, and tend to be "custom made for this module" things. I think that your answer would be improved if you explored the fact that the term "curse" is used in the spell description and show the relationship to the bestow curse spell ... your call.
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:34
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Yeah, I'll admit, "like a polymorph spell" might not be as far-reaching as I think it is. If that is indeed the case, then Nautarch has provided a good answer for that line of reasoning.
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– MrSpudtastic
Jan 11 at 17:46
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Wouldn't the specific mention of "like polymorph" beat the general likeness this effect has with Bestow Curse?
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– R. McMillan
Jan 11 at 20:17
add a comment |
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By RAW, yes, dropping to 0 hp does end the curse
If the text you gave is, as stated in your comment, the only information given about the curse, then all the normal means of ending a polymorph spell will end the curse.
As quoted,
The curse is like a polymorph spell, except it turns the offender into an ochre jelly that lacks the Split reaction.
Meaning, that it should otherwise be like the Polymorph spell in every way except those that are specifically noted.
A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
This doesn't exclude the normal means of ending the spell. It just adds an additional means to end the curse. It still maintains its "like a polymorph spell" status.
To add clarity, you can look at T.J.L.'s answer on this question. To summarize in his words, it's "Additive, Not Exclusive".
edited Jan 12 at 5:11
V2Blast
21.4k361135
answered Jan 11 at 17:07
MrSpudtasticMrSpudtastic
3555
$endgroup$
By RAW, yes, dropping to 0 hp does end the curse
If the text you gave is, as stated in your comment, the only information given about the curse, then all the normal means of ending a polymorph spell will end the curse.
As quoted,
The curse is like a polymorph spell, except it turns the offender into an ochre jelly that lacks the Split reaction.
Meaning, that it should otherwise be like the Polymorph spell in every way except those that are specifically noted.
A greater restoration or remove curse spell ends this effect.
This doesn't exclude the normal means of ending the spell. It just adds an additional means to end the curse. It still maintains its "like a polymorph spell" status.
To add clarity, you can look at T.J.L.'s answer on this question. To summarize in his words, it's "Additive, Not Exclusive".
edited Jan 12 at 5:11
V2Blast
21.4k361135
answered Jan 11 at 17:07
MrSpudtasticMrSpudtastic
3555
edited Jan 12 at 5:11
V2Blast
21.4k361135
edited Jan 12 at 5:11
V2Blast
21.4k361135
edited Jan 12 at 5:11
V2Blast
21.4k361135
21.4k361135
answered Jan 11 at 17:07
MrSpudtasticMrSpudtastic
3555
answered Jan 11 at 17:07
MrSpudtasticMrSpudtastic
3555
answered Jan 11 at 17:07
MrSpudtasticMrSpudtastic
3555
3555
1
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While I appreciate your reasoning, a lot of NPC abilities and module specific-details are not identical to what's in the PHB, and tend to be "custom made for this module" things. I think that your answer would be improved if you explored the fact that the term "curse" is used in the spell description and show the relationship to the bestow curse spell ... your call.
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:34
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Yeah, I'll admit, "like a polymorph spell" might not be as far-reaching as I think it is. If that is indeed the case, then Nautarch has provided a good answer for that line of reasoning.
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– MrSpudtastic
Jan 11 at 17:46
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Wouldn't the specific mention of "like polymorph" beat the general likeness this effect has with Bestow Curse?
$endgroup$
– R. McMillan
Jan 11 at 20:17
add a comment |
1
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While I appreciate your reasoning, a lot of NPC abilities and module specific-details are not identical to what's in the PHB, and tend to be "custom made for this module" things. I think that your answer would be improved if you explored the fact that the term "curse" is used in the spell description and show the relationship to the bestow curse spell ... your call.
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– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:34
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Yeah, I'll admit, "like a polymorph spell" might not be as far-reaching as I think it is. If that is indeed the case, then Nautarch has provided a good answer for that line of reasoning.
$endgroup$
– MrSpudtastic
Jan 11 at 17:46
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Wouldn't the specific mention of "like polymorph" beat the general likeness this effect has with Bestow Curse?
$endgroup$
– R. McMillan
Jan 11 at 20:17
1
1
$begingroup$
While I appreciate your reasoning, a lot of NPC abilities and module specific-details are not identical to what's in the PHB, and tend to be "custom made for this module" things. I think that your answer would be improved if you explored the fact that the term "curse" is used in the spell description and show the relationship to the bestow curse spell ... your call.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:34
$begingroup$
While I appreciate your reasoning, a lot of NPC abilities and module specific-details are not identical to what's in the PHB, and tend to be "custom made for this module" things. I think that your answer would be improved if you explored the fact that the term "curse" is used in the spell description and show the relationship to the bestow curse spell ... your call.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
Jan 11 at 17:34
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Yeah, I'll admit, "like a polymorph spell" might not be as far-reaching as I think it is. If that is indeed the case, then Nautarch has provided a good answer for that line of reasoning.
$endgroup$
– MrSpudtastic
Jan 11 at 17:46
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Yeah, I'll admit, "like a polymorph spell" might not be as far-reaching as I think it is. If that is indeed the case, then Nautarch has provided a good answer for that line of reasoning.
$endgroup$
– MrSpudtastic
Jan 11 at 17:46
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Wouldn't the specific mention of "like polymorph" beat the general likeness this effect has with Bestow Curse?
$endgroup$
– R. McMillan
Jan 11 at 20:17
$begingroup$
Wouldn't the specific mention of "like polymorph" beat the general likeness this effect has with Bestow Curse?
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– R. McMillan
Jan 11 at 20:17
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I don't have access to this module, is your quote of the curse accurate in formatting?
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– NautArch
Jan 11 at 17:27
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It's a literal copy/paste of the only two sentences about it (will I get in trouble for pasting this?)... the sentences before it explain how the curse gets inflicted (the DC, type of save, etc). There's no other information about it.
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– Hylianux
Jan 11 at 17:35
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For future reference, linking to D&D Beyond is perfectly fine, even references that are not public.
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– Sdjz
Jan 11 at 17:36
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Hmm... should I modify the title to say "polymorph-like curse"? I'm beginning to think that distinction might be necessary...
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– Hylianux
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@Hylianux There is no need, the question is fine as is. If such a distinction is necessary it is up to the answers to state/clarify that
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– Sdjz
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