Existence and uniqueness of PDE IVP : $z z_x + y z_y = x$, $C : x=t, y=t ; ; ; t >0$











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Consider the equation
$$z z_x + y z_y = x$$
and the initial curve
$$C : x=t, y=t ; ; ; t >0$$
Decide whether there is a unique solution, no solution or infinitely many solutions in a neighborhood of the point $(1,1)$, for the initial data $z=2t$.




Attempt :



We yield the Lagrange equations :



$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x}$$



and, easily, we can calculate two linearly independent integral curves :



$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} implies z_1 = y(x-z) $$



$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x} implies z_2 = frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)$$



Thus, the general solution is given by an expression of a $C^1$ differentiable function $F$, such that :



$$F(z_1,z_2) = 0 Rightarrow Fbigg(y(x-z), frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)bigg) = 0 $$



Taking into account the parameters of the initial curve $C$, we yield :



$$C : mathbf{r}_C(t) = (t,t,2t) ; ; ; t > 0$$
$$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = (1,1,2) ; ; ; t > 0$$



Since :



$$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = frac{1}{t} mathbf{r}_C(t)$$



there exists a proportionality function-constant $μ(t) = frac{1}{t}$ such that $frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = μ(t) mathbf{r}_C(t)$, which means that there exist infinitely many solutions.



Alternativelly, substituting the parameters into $F$, we get :



$$Fbigg(-t^2, frac{3}{2}t^2bigg) = z(t,t) = 2t = 0$$



But that would only hold for $t=0$, thus for $F(0,0) = 0$ and there can be infinitely many $C^1$ differentiable functions $F$ such that this case holds, thus we have infinitely many solutions again.



Questions : Is my approach correct ? Is there a more standard way of approaching the existence and uniqueness of a PDE ? Maybe more strictly and formally ? Am I missing something ?










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    Exercise :




    Consider the equation
    $$z z_x + y z_y = x$$
    and the initial curve
    $$C : x=t, y=t ; ; ; t >0$$
    Decide whether there is a unique solution, no solution or infinitely many solutions in a neighborhood of the point $(1,1)$, for the initial data $z=2t$.




    Attempt :



    We yield the Lagrange equations :



    $$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x}$$



    and, easily, we can calculate two linearly independent integral curves :



    $$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} implies z_1 = y(x-z) $$



    $$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x} implies z_2 = frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)$$



    Thus, the general solution is given by an expression of a $C^1$ differentiable function $F$, such that :



    $$F(z_1,z_2) = 0 Rightarrow Fbigg(y(x-z), frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)bigg) = 0 $$



    Taking into account the parameters of the initial curve $C$, we yield :



    $$C : mathbf{r}_C(t) = (t,t,2t) ; ; ; t > 0$$
    $$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = (1,1,2) ; ; ; t > 0$$



    Since :



    $$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = frac{1}{t} mathbf{r}_C(t)$$



    there exists a proportionality function-constant $μ(t) = frac{1}{t}$ such that $frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = μ(t) mathbf{r}_C(t)$, which means that there exist infinitely many solutions.



    Alternativelly, substituting the parameters into $F$, we get :



    $$Fbigg(-t^2, frac{3}{2}t^2bigg) = z(t,t) = 2t = 0$$



    But that would only hold for $t=0$, thus for $F(0,0) = 0$ and there can be infinitely many $C^1$ differentiable functions $F$ such that this case holds, thus we have infinitely many solutions again.



    Questions : Is my approach correct ? Is there a more standard way of approaching the existence and uniqueness of a PDE ? Maybe more strictly and formally ? Am I missing something ?










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      Consider the equation
      $$z z_x + y z_y = x$$
      and the initial curve
      $$C : x=t, y=t ; ; ; t >0$$
      Decide whether there is a unique solution, no solution or infinitely many solutions in a neighborhood of the point $(1,1)$, for the initial data $z=2t$.




      Attempt :



      We yield the Lagrange equations :



      $$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x}$$



      and, easily, we can calculate two linearly independent integral curves :



      $$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} implies z_1 = y(x-z) $$



      $$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x} implies z_2 = frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)$$



      Thus, the general solution is given by an expression of a $C^1$ differentiable function $F$, such that :



      $$F(z_1,z_2) = 0 Rightarrow Fbigg(y(x-z), frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)bigg) = 0 $$



      Taking into account the parameters of the initial curve $C$, we yield :



      $$C : mathbf{r}_C(t) = (t,t,2t) ; ; ; t > 0$$
      $$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = (1,1,2) ; ; ; t > 0$$



      Since :



      $$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = frac{1}{t} mathbf{r}_C(t)$$



      there exists a proportionality function-constant $μ(t) = frac{1}{t}$ such that $frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = μ(t) mathbf{r}_C(t)$, which means that there exist infinitely many solutions.



      Alternativelly, substituting the parameters into $F$, we get :



      $$Fbigg(-t^2, frac{3}{2}t^2bigg) = z(t,t) = 2t = 0$$



      But that would only hold for $t=0$, thus for $F(0,0) = 0$ and there can be infinitely many $C^1$ differentiable functions $F$ such that this case holds, thus we have infinitely many solutions again.



      Questions : Is my approach correct ? Is there a more standard way of approaching the existence and uniqueness of a PDE ? Maybe more strictly and formally ? Am I missing something ?










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      Exercise :




      Consider the equation
      $$z z_x + y z_y = x$$
      and the initial curve
      $$C : x=t, y=t ; ; ; t >0$$
      Decide whether there is a unique solution, no solution or infinitely many solutions in a neighborhood of the point $(1,1)$, for the initial data $z=2t$.




      Attempt :



      We yield the Lagrange equations :



      $$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x}$$



      and, easily, we can calculate two linearly independent integral curves :



      $$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} implies z_1 = y(x-z) $$



      $$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x} implies z_2 = frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)$$



      Thus, the general solution is given by an expression of a $C^1$ differentiable function $F$, such that :



      $$F(z_1,z_2) = 0 Rightarrow Fbigg(y(x-z), frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)bigg) = 0 $$



      Taking into account the parameters of the initial curve $C$, we yield :



      $$C : mathbf{r}_C(t) = (t,t,2t) ; ; ; t > 0$$
      $$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = (1,1,2) ; ; ; t > 0$$



      Since :



      $$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = frac{1}{t} mathbf{r}_C(t)$$



      there exists a proportionality function-constant $μ(t) = frac{1}{t}$ such that $frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = μ(t) mathbf{r}_C(t)$, which means that there exist infinitely many solutions.



      Alternativelly, substituting the parameters into $F$, we get :



      $$Fbigg(-t^2, frac{3}{2}t^2bigg) = z(t,t) = 2t = 0$$



      But that would only hold for $t=0$, thus for $F(0,0) = 0$ and there can be infinitely many $C^1$ differentiable functions $F$ such that this case holds, thus we have infinitely many solutions again.



      Questions : Is my approach correct ? Is there a more standard way of approaching the existence and uniqueness of a PDE ? Maybe more strictly and formally ? Am I missing something ?







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          Let $c_1=y(z-x)$ and $c_2=z^2-x^2$ be the constants of the characteristic curves. None are constant on the initial data, indeed there $c_1=t^2$ and $c_2=3t^2$ so that $c_2=3c_1$ and inserting that relation backwards
          $$
          z^2-x^2=3y(z-x)iff z=xlor z=3y-x
          $$
          Both are solutions of the PDE, $z(x,y)=x$ and $z(x,y)=3y-x$, but the first does not satisfy the initial conditions except at $t=0$, which is not enough.






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          • +1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
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          • Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
            – Rebellos
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          Let $c_1=y(z-x)$ and $c_2=z^2-x^2$ be the constants of the characteristic curves. None are constant on the initial data, indeed there $c_1=t^2$ and $c_2=3t^2$ so that $c_2=3c_1$ and inserting that relation backwards
          $$
          z^2-x^2=3y(z-x)iff z=xlor z=3y-x
          $$
          Both are solutions of the PDE, $z(x,y)=x$ and $z(x,y)=3y-x$, but the first does not satisfy the initial conditions except at $t=0$, which is not enough.






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          • +1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
            – Isham
            May 10 at 7:25










          • Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
            – Rebellos
            May 10 at 19:34

















          up vote
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          Let $c_1=y(z-x)$ and $c_2=z^2-x^2$ be the constants of the characteristic curves. None are constant on the initial data, indeed there $c_1=t^2$ and $c_2=3t^2$ so that $c_2=3c_1$ and inserting that relation backwards
          $$
          z^2-x^2=3y(z-x)iff z=xlor z=3y-x
          $$
          Both are solutions of the PDE, $z(x,y)=x$ and $z(x,y)=3y-x$, but the first does not satisfy the initial conditions except at $t=0$, which is not enough.






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          • +1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
            – Isham
            May 10 at 7:25










          • Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
            – Rebellos
            May 10 at 19:34















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          Let $c_1=y(z-x)$ and $c_2=z^2-x^2$ be the constants of the characteristic curves. None are constant on the initial data, indeed there $c_1=t^2$ and $c_2=3t^2$ so that $c_2=3c_1$ and inserting that relation backwards
          $$
          z^2-x^2=3y(z-x)iff z=xlor z=3y-x
          $$
          Both are solutions of the PDE, $z(x,y)=x$ and $z(x,y)=3y-x$, but the first does not satisfy the initial conditions except at $t=0$, which is not enough.






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          Let $c_1=y(z-x)$ and $c_2=z^2-x^2$ be the constants of the characteristic curves. None are constant on the initial data, indeed there $c_1=t^2$ and $c_2=3t^2$ so that $c_2=3c_1$ and inserting that relation backwards
          $$
          z^2-x^2=3y(z-x)iff z=xlor z=3y-x
          $$
          Both are solutions of the PDE, $z(x,y)=x$ and $z(x,y)=3y-x$, but the first does not satisfy the initial conditions except at $t=0$, which is not enough.







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          • +1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
            – Isham
            May 10 at 7:25










          • Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
            – Rebellos
            May 10 at 19:34




















          • +1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
            – Isham
            May 10 at 7:25










          • Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
            – Rebellos
            May 10 at 19:34


















          +1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
          – Isham
          May 10 at 7:25




          +1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
          – Isham
          May 10 at 7:25












          Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
          – Rebellos
          May 10 at 19:34






          Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
          – Rebellos
          May 10 at 19:34




















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