Existence and uniqueness of PDE IVP : $z z_x + y z_y = x$, $C : x=t, y=t ; ; ; t >0$
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Exercise :
Consider the equation
$$z z_x + y z_y = x$$
and the initial curve
$$C : x=t, y=t ; ; ; t >0$$
Decide whether there is a unique solution, no solution or infinitely many solutions in a neighborhood of the point $(1,1)$, for the initial data $z=2t$.
Attempt :
We yield the Lagrange equations :
$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x}$$
and, easily, we can calculate two linearly independent integral curves :
$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} implies z_1 = y(x-z) $$
$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x} implies z_2 = frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)$$
Thus, the general solution is given by an expression of a $C^1$ differentiable function $F$, such that :
$$F(z_1,z_2) = 0 Rightarrow Fbigg(y(x-z), frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)bigg) = 0 $$
Taking into account the parameters of the initial curve $C$, we yield :
$$C : mathbf{r}_C(t) = (t,t,2t) ; ; ; t > 0$$
$$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = (1,1,2) ; ; ; t > 0$$
Since :
$$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = frac{1}{t} mathbf{r}_C(t)$$
there exists a proportionality function-constant $μ(t) = frac{1}{t}$ such that $frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = μ(t) mathbf{r}_C(t)$, which means that there exist infinitely many solutions.
Alternativelly, substituting the parameters into $F$, we get :
$$Fbigg(-t^2, frac{3}{2}t^2bigg) = z(t,t) = 2t = 0$$
But that would only hold for $t=0$, thus for $F(0,0) = 0$ and there can be infinitely many $C^1$ differentiable functions $F$ such that this case holds, thus we have infinitely many solutions again.
Questions : Is my approach correct ? Is there a more standard way of approaching the existence and uniqueness of a PDE ? Maybe more strictly and formally ? Am I missing something ?
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Exercise :
Consider the equation
$$z z_x + y z_y = x$$
and the initial curve
$$C : x=t, y=t ; ; ; t >0$$
Decide whether there is a unique solution, no solution or infinitely many solutions in a neighborhood of the point $(1,1)$, for the initial data $z=2t$.
Attempt :
We yield the Lagrange equations :
$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x}$$
and, easily, we can calculate two linearly independent integral curves :
$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} implies z_1 = y(x-z) $$
$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x} implies z_2 = frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)$$
Thus, the general solution is given by an expression of a $C^1$ differentiable function $F$, such that :
$$F(z_1,z_2) = 0 Rightarrow Fbigg(y(x-z), frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)bigg) = 0 $$
Taking into account the parameters of the initial curve $C$, we yield :
$$C : mathbf{r}_C(t) = (t,t,2t) ; ; ; t > 0$$
$$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = (1,1,2) ; ; ; t > 0$$
Since :
$$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = frac{1}{t} mathbf{r}_C(t)$$
there exists a proportionality function-constant $μ(t) = frac{1}{t}$ such that $frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = μ(t) mathbf{r}_C(t)$, which means that there exist infinitely many solutions.
Alternativelly, substituting the parameters into $F$, we get :
$$Fbigg(-t^2, frac{3}{2}t^2bigg) = z(t,t) = 2t = 0$$
But that would only hold for $t=0$, thus for $F(0,0) = 0$ and there can be infinitely many $C^1$ differentiable functions $F$ such that this case holds, thus we have infinitely many solutions again.
Questions : Is my approach correct ? Is there a more standard way of approaching the existence and uniqueness of a PDE ? Maybe more strictly and formally ? Am I missing something ?
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Exercise :
Consider the equation
$$z z_x + y z_y = x$$
and the initial curve
$$C : x=t, y=t ; ; ; t >0$$
Decide whether there is a unique solution, no solution or infinitely many solutions in a neighborhood of the point $(1,1)$, for the initial data $z=2t$.
Attempt :
We yield the Lagrange equations :
$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x}$$
and, easily, we can calculate two linearly independent integral curves :
$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} implies z_1 = y(x-z) $$
$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x} implies z_2 = frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)$$
Thus, the general solution is given by an expression of a $C^1$ differentiable function $F$, such that :
$$F(z_1,z_2) = 0 Rightarrow Fbigg(y(x-z), frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)bigg) = 0 $$
Taking into account the parameters of the initial curve $C$, we yield :
$$C : mathbf{r}_C(t) = (t,t,2t) ; ; ; t > 0$$
$$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = (1,1,2) ; ; ; t > 0$$
Since :
$$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = frac{1}{t} mathbf{r}_C(t)$$
there exists a proportionality function-constant $μ(t) = frac{1}{t}$ such that $frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = μ(t) mathbf{r}_C(t)$, which means that there exist infinitely many solutions.
Alternativelly, substituting the parameters into $F$, we get :
$$Fbigg(-t^2, frac{3}{2}t^2bigg) = z(t,t) = 2t = 0$$
But that would only hold for $t=0$, thus for $F(0,0) = 0$ and there can be infinitely many $C^1$ differentiable functions $F$ such that this case holds, thus we have infinitely many solutions again.
Questions : Is my approach correct ? Is there a more standard way of approaching the existence and uniqueness of a PDE ? Maybe more strictly and formally ? Am I missing something ?
pde initial-value-problems characteristics
Exercise :
Consider the equation
$$z z_x + y z_y = x$$
and the initial curve
$$C : x=t, y=t ; ; ; t >0$$
Decide whether there is a unique solution, no solution or infinitely many solutions in a neighborhood of the point $(1,1)$, for the initial data $z=2t$.
Attempt :
We yield the Lagrange equations :
$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x}$$
and, easily, we can calculate two linearly independent integral curves :
$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}y}{y} implies z_1 = y(x-z) $$
$$frac{mathrm{d}x}{z} = frac{mathrm{d}z}{x} implies z_2 = frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)$$
Thus, the general solution is given by an expression of a $C^1$ differentiable function $F$, such that :
$$F(z_1,z_2) = 0 Rightarrow Fbigg(y(x-z), frac{1}{2}(z^2-x^2)bigg) = 0 $$
Taking into account the parameters of the initial curve $C$, we yield :
$$C : mathbf{r}_C(t) = (t,t,2t) ; ; ; t > 0$$
$$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = (1,1,2) ; ; ; t > 0$$
Since :
$$frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = frac{1}{t} mathbf{r}_C(t)$$
there exists a proportionality function-constant $μ(t) = frac{1}{t}$ such that $frac{mathrm{d}mathbf{r}_C(t)}{mathrm{d}t} = μ(t) mathbf{r}_C(t)$, which means that there exist infinitely many solutions.
Alternativelly, substituting the parameters into $F$, we get :
$$Fbigg(-t^2, frac{3}{2}t^2bigg) = z(t,t) = 2t = 0$$
But that would only hold for $t=0$, thus for $F(0,0) = 0$ and there can be infinitely many $C^1$ differentiable functions $F$ such that this case holds, thus we have infinitely many solutions again.
Questions : Is my approach correct ? Is there a more standard way of approaching the existence and uniqueness of a PDE ? Maybe more strictly and formally ? Am I missing something ?
pde initial-value-problems characteristics
pde initial-value-problems characteristics
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Let $c_1=y(z-x)$ and $c_2=z^2-x^2$ be the constants of the characteristic curves. None are constant on the initial data, indeed there $c_1=t^2$ and $c_2=3t^2$ so that $c_2=3c_1$ and inserting that relation backwards
$$
z^2-x^2=3y(z-x)iff z=xlor z=3y-x
$$
Both are solutions of the PDE, $z(x,y)=x$ and $z(x,y)=3y-x$, but the first does not satisfy the initial conditions except at $t=0$, which is not enough.
+1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
– Isham
May 10 at 7:25
Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
– Rebellos
May 10 at 19:34
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1 Answer
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
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up vote
2
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Let $c_1=y(z-x)$ and $c_2=z^2-x^2$ be the constants of the characteristic curves. None are constant on the initial data, indeed there $c_1=t^2$ and $c_2=3t^2$ so that $c_2=3c_1$ and inserting that relation backwards
$$
z^2-x^2=3y(z-x)iff z=xlor z=3y-x
$$
Both are solutions of the PDE, $z(x,y)=x$ and $z(x,y)=3y-x$, but the first does not satisfy the initial conditions except at $t=0$, which is not enough.
+1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
– Isham
May 10 at 7:25
Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
– Rebellos
May 10 at 19:34
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Let $c_1=y(z-x)$ and $c_2=z^2-x^2$ be the constants of the characteristic curves. None are constant on the initial data, indeed there $c_1=t^2$ and $c_2=3t^2$ so that $c_2=3c_1$ and inserting that relation backwards
$$
z^2-x^2=3y(z-x)iff z=xlor z=3y-x
$$
Both are solutions of the PDE, $z(x,y)=x$ and $z(x,y)=3y-x$, but the first does not satisfy the initial conditions except at $t=0$, which is not enough.
+1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
– Isham
May 10 at 7:25
Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
– Rebellos
May 10 at 19:34
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Let $c_1=y(z-x)$ and $c_2=z^2-x^2$ be the constants of the characteristic curves. None are constant on the initial data, indeed there $c_1=t^2$ and $c_2=3t^2$ so that $c_2=3c_1$ and inserting that relation backwards
$$
z^2-x^2=3y(z-x)iff z=xlor z=3y-x
$$
Both are solutions of the PDE, $z(x,y)=x$ and $z(x,y)=3y-x$, but the first does not satisfy the initial conditions except at $t=0$, which is not enough.
Let $c_1=y(z-x)$ and $c_2=z^2-x^2$ be the constants of the characteristic curves. None are constant on the initial data, indeed there $c_1=t^2$ and $c_2=3t^2$ so that $c_2=3c_1$ and inserting that relation backwards
$$
z^2-x^2=3y(z-x)iff z=xlor z=3y-x
$$
Both are solutions of the PDE, $z(x,y)=x$ and $z(x,y)=3y-x$, but the first does not satisfy the initial conditions except at $t=0$, which is not enough.
edited May 10 at 7:25
answered May 10 at 7:22
LutzL
54.6k41953
54.6k41953
+1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
– Isham
May 10 at 7:25
Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
– Rebellos
May 10 at 19:34
add a comment |
+1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
– Isham
May 10 at 7:25
Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
– Rebellos
May 10 at 19:34
+1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
– Isham
May 10 at 7:25
+1 nice ......I only focused on integral curves
– Isham
May 10 at 7:25
Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
– Rebellos
May 10 at 19:34
Hi and thanks a lot for the answer. I understand your point, but what conclusion can be made about the existence and/or the uniqueness ?
– Rebellos
May 10 at 19:34
add a comment |
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