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If you have an equation of this kind: $u(x) × v(y)=0$
What would the set of solutions be?
Let s assume I have this one $u(x)^2 +v(y)^2 =0$
How different the set of solutions would be?
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If you have an equation of this kind: $u(x) × v(y)=0$
What would the set of solutions be?
Let s assume I have this one $u(x)^2 +v(y)^2 =0$
How different the set of solutions would be?
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One of the functions must vanish identically.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Nov 13 at 9:53
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They're not the same at all. The first is $u=0$ or $v = 0.$ The second is $u = 0$ and $v = 0$. Any solution of the second is a solution of the first, but not vice versa.
– saulspatz
Nov 13 at 9:53
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If you have an equation of this kind: $u(x) × v(y)=0$
What would the set of solutions be?
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How different the set of solutions would be?
functions systems-of-equations
If you have an equation of this kind: $u(x) × v(y)=0$
What would the set of solutions be?
Let s assume I have this one $u(x)^2 +v(y)^2 =0$
How different the set of solutions would be?
functions systems-of-equations
functions systems-of-equations
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One of the functions must vanish identically.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Nov 13 at 9:53
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They're not the same at all. The first is $u=0$ or $v = 0.$ The second is $u = 0$ and $v = 0$. Any solution of the second is a solution of the first, but not vice versa.
– saulspatz
Nov 13 at 9:53
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One of the functions must vanish identically.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Nov 13 at 9:53
2
They're not the same at all. The first is $u=0$ or $v = 0.$ The second is $u = 0$ and $v = 0$. Any solution of the second is a solution of the first, but not vice versa.
– saulspatz
Nov 13 at 9:53
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One of the functions must vanish identically.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Nov 13 at 9:53
One of the functions must vanish identically.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Nov 13 at 9:53
2
2
They're not the same at all. The first is $u=0$ or $v = 0.$ The second is $u = 0$ and $v = 0$. Any solution of the second is a solution of the first, but not vice versa.
– saulspatz
Nov 13 at 9:53
They're not the same at all. The first is $u=0$ or $v = 0.$ The second is $u = 0$ and $v = 0$. Any solution of the second is a solution of the first, but not vice versa.
– saulspatz
Nov 13 at 9:53
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In order for $(x_0,y_0)$ to be a solution for $u(x) times v(y) =0$, you need either that $u(x_0)=0$ or that $v(y_0)=0.$ So if you call $X_0={x vert u(x)=0}$ and $Y_0={y vert v(y)=0}$, all the solutions to $u(x) times v(y) =0$ belong to the set $X_0 cup Y_0$.
For your second case (which is not a rearrangement of the first), you need both $u(x_0)=0$ and $v(y_0)=0.$ Therefore all solutions to $u(x)^2+v(y)^2=0$ belong to the set $X_0 cap Y_0$ which, as @saulspatz has noted, is a subset of the previous one $X_0 cap Y_0 subset X_0 cup Y_0$.
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As $u(x)*v(y)=0$ that means whether $u(x)=0$ or $v(y)=0$ else, $u(x)$ and $v(y)$ both $=0$.and as you were able to make $u(x)^2+v(y)^2=0$(though you won't be able to do so) so it turns out both $u(x)=0$ and $v(y)=0$.So,now solve this two equation to get respective value of $x$ and $y$ for which $u(x)=0$ and $v(y)=0$.
If we consider these two equation as two different scenario then , for first equation there may be some value of x or y to make $u(x)$ or $v(y)=0$.but it can also be happen that $u(x)$ or $v(y) ne 0$.then there will be no solution for whether $x$ or $y$.but if the second equation is the case then there must be some solution of $x$ and $y$.so,we can say that ${x_{1_i},y_{1_i}}subset {x_{2_i},y_{2_i}}$.but the reverse is not true.
Would S for the first case be: $S = $ ${ (x_0, y); (x, y_0)/x,y in IR}$
– J.Moh
Nov 13 at 10:42
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In order for $(x_0,y_0)$ to be a solution for $u(x) times v(y) =0$, you need either that $u(x_0)=0$ or that $v(y_0)=0.$ So if you call $X_0={x vert u(x)=0}$ and $Y_0={y vert v(y)=0}$, all the solutions to $u(x) times v(y) =0$ belong to the set $X_0 cup Y_0$.
For your second case (which is not a rearrangement of the first), you need both $u(x_0)=0$ and $v(y_0)=0.$ Therefore all solutions to $u(x)^2+v(y)^2=0$ belong to the set $X_0 cap Y_0$ which, as @saulspatz has noted, is a subset of the previous one $X_0 cap Y_0 subset X_0 cup Y_0$.
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In order for $(x_0,y_0)$ to be a solution for $u(x) times v(y) =0$, you need either that $u(x_0)=0$ or that $v(y_0)=0.$ So if you call $X_0={x vert u(x)=0}$ and $Y_0={y vert v(y)=0}$, all the solutions to $u(x) times v(y) =0$ belong to the set $X_0 cup Y_0$.
For your second case (which is not a rearrangement of the first), you need both $u(x_0)=0$ and $v(y_0)=0.$ Therefore all solutions to $u(x)^2+v(y)^2=0$ belong to the set $X_0 cap Y_0$ which, as @saulspatz has noted, is a subset of the previous one $X_0 cap Y_0 subset X_0 cup Y_0$.
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In order for $(x_0,y_0)$ to be a solution for $u(x) times v(y) =0$, you need either that $u(x_0)=0$ or that $v(y_0)=0.$ So if you call $X_0={x vert u(x)=0}$ and $Y_0={y vert v(y)=0}$, all the solutions to $u(x) times v(y) =0$ belong to the set $X_0 cup Y_0$.
For your second case (which is not a rearrangement of the first), you need both $u(x_0)=0$ and $v(y_0)=0.$ Therefore all solutions to $u(x)^2+v(y)^2=0$ belong to the set $X_0 cap Y_0$ which, as @saulspatz has noted, is a subset of the previous one $X_0 cap Y_0 subset X_0 cup Y_0$.
In order for $(x_0,y_0)$ to be a solution for $u(x) times v(y) =0$, you need either that $u(x_0)=0$ or that $v(y_0)=0.$ So if you call $X_0={x vert u(x)=0}$ and $Y_0={y vert v(y)=0}$, all the solutions to $u(x) times v(y) =0$ belong to the set $X_0 cup Y_0$.
For your second case (which is not a rearrangement of the first), you need both $u(x_0)=0$ and $v(y_0)=0.$ Therefore all solutions to $u(x)^2+v(y)^2=0$ belong to the set $X_0 cap Y_0$ which, as @saulspatz has noted, is a subset of the previous one $X_0 cap Y_0 subset X_0 cup Y_0$.
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As $u(x)*v(y)=0$ that means whether $u(x)=0$ or $v(y)=0$ else, $u(x)$ and $v(y)$ both $=0$.and as you were able to make $u(x)^2+v(y)^2=0$(though you won't be able to do so) so it turns out both $u(x)=0$ and $v(y)=0$.So,now solve this two equation to get respective value of $x$ and $y$ for which $u(x)=0$ and $v(y)=0$.
If we consider these two equation as two different scenario then , for first equation there may be some value of x or y to make $u(x)$ or $v(y)=0$.but it can also be happen that $u(x)$ or $v(y) ne 0$.then there will be no solution for whether $x$ or $y$.but if the second equation is the case then there must be some solution of $x$ and $y$.so,we can say that ${x_{1_i},y_{1_i}}subset {x_{2_i},y_{2_i}}$.but the reverse is not true.
Would S for the first case be: $S = $ ${ (x_0, y); (x, y_0)/x,y in IR}$
– J.Moh
Nov 13 at 10:42
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As $u(x)*v(y)=0$ that means whether $u(x)=0$ or $v(y)=0$ else, $u(x)$ and $v(y)$ both $=0$.and as you were able to make $u(x)^2+v(y)^2=0$(though you won't be able to do so) so it turns out both $u(x)=0$ and $v(y)=0$.So,now solve this two equation to get respective value of $x$ and $y$ for which $u(x)=0$ and $v(y)=0$.
If we consider these two equation as two different scenario then , for first equation there may be some value of x or y to make $u(x)$ or $v(y)=0$.but it can also be happen that $u(x)$ or $v(y) ne 0$.then there will be no solution for whether $x$ or $y$.but if the second equation is the case then there must be some solution of $x$ and $y$.so,we can say that ${x_{1_i},y_{1_i}}subset {x_{2_i},y_{2_i}}$.but the reverse is not true.
Would S for the first case be: $S = $ ${ (x_0, y); (x, y_0)/x,y in IR}$
– J.Moh
Nov 13 at 10:42
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As $u(x)*v(y)=0$ that means whether $u(x)=0$ or $v(y)=0$ else, $u(x)$ and $v(y)$ both $=0$.and as you were able to make $u(x)^2+v(y)^2=0$(though you won't be able to do so) so it turns out both $u(x)=0$ and $v(y)=0$.So,now solve this two equation to get respective value of $x$ and $y$ for which $u(x)=0$ and $v(y)=0$.
If we consider these two equation as two different scenario then , for first equation there may be some value of x or y to make $u(x)$ or $v(y)=0$.but it can also be happen that $u(x)$ or $v(y) ne 0$.then there will be no solution for whether $x$ or $y$.but if the second equation is the case then there must be some solution of $x$ and $y$.so,we can say that ${x_{1_i},y_{1_i}}subset {x_{2_i},y_{2_i}}$.but the reverse is not true.
As $u(x)*v(y)=0$ that means whether $u(x)=0$ or $v(y)=0$ else, $u(x)$ and $v(y)$ both $=0$.and as you were able to make $u(x)^2+v(y)^2=0$(though you won't be able to do so) so it turns out both $u(x)=0$ and $v(y)=0$.So,now solve this two equation to get respective value of $x$ and $y$ for which $u(x)=0$ and $v(y)=0$.
If we consider these two equation as two different scenario then , for first equation there may be some value of x or y to make $u(x)$ or $v(y)=0$.but it can also be happen that $u(x)$ or $v(y) ne 0$.then there will be no solution for whether $x$ or $y$.but if the second equation is the case then there must be some solution of $x$ and $y$.so,we can say that ${x_{1_i},y_{1_i}}subset {x_{2_i},y_{2_i}}$.but the reverse is not true.
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Would S for the first case be: $S = $ ${ (x_0, y); (x, y_0)/x,y in IR}$
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Would S for the first case be: $S = $ ${ (x_0, y); (x, y_0)/x,y in IR}$
– J.Moh
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Would S for the first case be: $S = $ ${ (x_0, y); (x, y_0)/x,y in IR}$
– J.Moh
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Would S for the first case be: $S = $ ${ (x_0, y); (x, y_0)/x,y in IR}$
– J.Moh
Nov 13 at 10:42
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Would S for the first case be:
$S = $
${ (x_0, y); (x, y_0)/x,y in IR}$
Would S for the first case be:
$S = $
${ (x_0, y); (x, y_0)/x,y in IR}$
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One of the functions must vanish identically.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Nov 13 at 9:53
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They're not the same at all. The first is $u=0$ or $v = 0.$ The second is $u = 0$ and $v = 0$. Any solution of the second is a solution of the first, but not vice versa.
– saulspatz
Nov 13 at 9:53