Should I return my bonus after resigning?
Situation: Awaiting final offer from another job before I hand in my resignation to my current job. I just received a bonus from my boss (to be paid tomorrow).
Dilemma: Should I give the bonus back once I hand in my resignation?
Reasoning:
I've read a lot of the posts here already, and it seems like a very common occurrence where there are a few resignations after bonuses are handed out. A lot of the comments reassure the OP because they say "it's not the boss's own money, so don't sweat it". But I work for a very small consulting firm (about 5 employees), so I know this money is most definitely coming out of our director's own pocket (it could've been funded through our project charges, but not too sure). The boss has been very good to me and I feel somewhat guilty to be taking the bonus and then immediately leaving. I'm resigning because I want to pursue other opportunities.
software-industry management resignation bonus
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Situation: Awaiting final offer from another job before I hand in my resignation to my current job. I just received a bonus from my boss (to be paid tomorrow).
Dilemma: Should I give the bonus back once I hand in my resignation?
Reasoning:
I've read a lot of the posts here already, and it seems like a very common occurrence where there are a few resignations after bonuses are handed out. A lot of the comments reassure the OP because they say "it's not the boss's own money, so don't sweat it". But I work for a very small consulting firm (about 5 employees), so I know this money is most definitely coming out of our director's own pocket (it could've been funded through our project charges, but not too sure). The boss has been very good to me and I feel somewhat guilty to be taking the bonus and then immediately leaving. I'm resigning because I want to pursue other opportunities.
software-industry management resignation bonus
asked Dec 18 '18 at 1:31
MikamiHero
343125
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The bonus is for work you’ve already done, not for work you might do in the future, no?
– AffableAmbler
Dec 18 '18 at 1:45
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Possible duplicate of Returning bonuses received while job hunting
– llrs
Dec 18 '18 at 11:22
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Why are they giving you a bonus?
– pwned
Dec 18 '18 at 12:13
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Is the bonus for what you did, or what you will do?
– Harper
Dec 18 '18 at 20:03
1
Is a bonus being given to you only, or to every employee of the company? I'm not asking about the amount of the bonus - just whether everyone in the company received one. Also: was the bonus something planned for the year, based on hitting certain targets? Or, is it more of an end-of-the-year gift?
– RDFozz
Dec 18 '18 at 21:32
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Situation: Awaiting final offer from another job before I hand in my resignation to my current job. I just received a bonus from my boss (to be paid tomorrow).
Dilemma: Should I give the bonus back once I hand in my resignation?
Reasoning:
I've read a lot of the posts here already, and it seems like a very common occurrence where there are a few resignations after bonuses are handed out. A lot of the comments reassure the OP because they say "it's not the boss's own money, so don't sweat it". But I work for a very small consulting firm (about 5 employees), so I know this money is most definitely coming out of our director's own pocket (it could've been funded through our project charges, but not too sure). The boss has been very good to me and I feel somewhat guilty to be taking the bonus and then immediately leaving. I'm resigning because I want to pursue other opportunities.
software-industry management resignation bonus
asked Dec 18 '18 at 1:31
MikamiHero
343125
Situation: Awaiting final offer from another job before I hand in my resignation to my current job. I just received a bonus from my boss (to be paid tomorrow).
Dilemma: Should I give the bonus back once I hand in my resignation?
Reasoning:
I've read a lot of the posts here already, and it seems like a very common occurrence where there are a few resignations after bonuses are handed out. A lot of the comments reassure the OP because they say "it's not the boss's own money, so don't sweat it". But I work for a very small consulting firm (about 5 employees), so I know this money is most definitely coming out of our director's own pocket (it could've been funded through our project charges, but not too sure). The boss has been very good to me and I feel somewhat guilty to be taking the bonus and then immediately leaving. I'm resigning because I want to pursue other opportunities.
software-industry management resignation bonus
software-industry management resignation bonus
asked Dec 18 '18 at 1:31
MikamiHero
343125
asked Dec 18 '18 at 1:31
MikamiHero
343125
asked Dec 18 '18 at 1:31
MikamiHero
343125
asked Dec 18 '18 at 1:31
MikamiHero
343125
asked Dec 18 '18 at 1:31
MikamiHero
343125
343125
220
The bonus is for work you’ve already done, not for work you might do in the future, no?
– AffableAmbler
Dec 18 '18 at 1:45
3
Possible duplicate of Returning bonuses received while job hunting
– llrs
Dec 18 '18 at 11:22
4
Why are they giving you a bonus?
– pwned
Dec 18 '18 at 12:13
2
Is the bonus for what you did, or what you will do?
– Harper
Dec 18 '18 at 20:03
1
Is a bonus being given to you only, or to every employee of the company? I'm not asking about the amount of the bonus - just whether everyone in the company received one. Also: was the bonus something planned for the year, based on hitting certain targets? Or, is it more of an end-of-the-year gift?
– RDFozz
Dec 18 '18 at 21:32
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show 3 more comments
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The bonus is for work you’ve already done, not for work you might do in the future, no?
– AffableAmbler
Dec 18 '18 at 1:45
3
Possible duplicate of Returning bonuses received while job hunting
– llrs
Dec 18 '18 at 11:22
4
Why are they giving you a bonus?
– pwned
Dec 18 '18 at 12:13
2
Is the bonus for what you did, or what you will do?
– Harper
Dec 18 '18 at 20:03
1
Is a bonus being given to you only, or to every employee of the company? I'm not asking about the amount of the bonus - just whether everyone in the company received one. Also: was the bonus something planned for the year, based on hitting certain targets? Or, is it more of an end-of-the-year gift?
– RDFozz
Dec 18 '18 at 21:32
220
220
The bonus is for work you’ve already done, not for work you might do in the future, no?
– AffableAmbler
Dec 18 '18 at 1:45
The bonus is for work you’ve already done, not for work you might do in the future, no?
– AffableAmbler
Dec 18 '18 at 1:45
3
3
Possible duplicate of Returning bonuses received while job hunting
– llrs
Dec 18 '18 at 11:22
Possible duplicate of Returning bonuses received while job hunting
– llrs
Dec 18 '18 at 11:22
4
4
Why are they giving you a bonus?
– pwned
Dec 18 '18 at 12:13
Why are they giving you a bonus?
– pwned
Dec 18 '18 at 12:13
2
2
Is the bonus for what you did, or what you will do?
– Harper
Dec 18 '18 at 20:03
Is the bonus for what you did, or what you will do?
– Harper
Dec 18 '18 at 20:03
1
1
Is a bonus being given to you only, or to every employee of the company? I'm not asking about the amount of the bonus - just whether everyone in the company received one. Also: was the bonus something planned for the year, based on hitting certain targets? Or, is it more of an end-of-the-year gift?
– RDFozz
Dec 18 '18 at 21:32
Is a bonus being given to you only, or to every employee of the company? I'm not asking about the amount of the bonus - just whether everyone in the company received one. Also: was the bonus something planned for the year, based on hitting certain targets? Or, is it more of an end-of-the-year gift?
– RDFozz
Dec 18 '18 at 21:32
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No, you should not.
A bonus is for past work. You've done that work, and you've earned the bonus. And think of it this way, would you have felt guilty if you left six months after getting a bonus? Three months? A month? Two weeks? A week? Would there ever be a day you felt guilty if you resigned that day, but not if you resigned the day after?
answered Dec 18 '18 at 1:47
Abigail
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Dec 20 '18 at 7:54
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You need to check what your contract says, or what the paperwork coming with the bonus says.
If the bonus says it will be paid if you are still employed say on the 31st of December, you keep it if you are still employed on that day. If it says “if you are employed and no notice is given”, you have to repay it if you have given notice. If you give 14 days notice, you are still employed for 14 days.
It’s always easier to keep a bonus than to force the company to give it to you, so it’s preferable not to give notice before the bonus is in your pocket.
And while there may be a legal obligation to repay the bonus, there is no ethical obligation. The bonus is to reward you for good work done.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:38
gnasher729
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The same goes for stock options and pretty much any benefit the company offers. There should be a specific timeline for eligibility. Check the contract and the company policy.
– Mindwin
Dec 18 '18 at 14:35
This is exactly why some incentive compensation has a vesting period, if yours does not, or you have reached a vested level, then there is no reason to return it or feel any sort of guilt for obtaining said bonus.
– user1723699
Dec 18 '18 at 15:42
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It is probably okay to keep the money.
However, given your recent edit that this is a five person company, I'd offer to give it back. Not because you owe it back (bonuses are generally for past work), but because the bridge is worth more if it hasn't been partially burned.
Now you don't say this, but if this bonus is an expected part of your pay don't offer it back.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 19:42
J. Chris Compton
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Why do you think you burn bridges if you don't return a bonus they didn't ask back?
– Patrick Hofman
Dec 20 '18 at 11:53
@PatrickHofman Not "burn", "partially burn" because if the small person shop had intended the bonus to help keep employees it could leave a bad taste in their mouth. Remember, I excluded if OP expects it (annual bonus, etc.) I'd tell OP 1 cash the check, and 2 on turning in his notice and giving the "it's not you, it's me" speech, to 3 offer verbally to repay it if necessary. That's the point where a classy boss who understands the world says, "Oh no, you've done a good job, keep it!" If boss says to repay it - OP saved a bridge that would have burned! Either way OP comes across classy.
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 14:13
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"I'd offer to give it back" this is very wrong. In many/most roles you get paid like this: "You'll get $XXX,000 salary per annum and you'll get a bonus on date Date being 30% to 70% {whatever figures} depending on performance and sales." It is simply PART OF YOUR SALARY. You would no more "give back" a bonus to a company than you would "give back" your salary or simply "give them some money". It would be wholly irrational to do so. If, bizarrely, you suggested it the accountants would just say "obviously you can not do that".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:40
@Fattie You are describing a situation where the bonus is part of your pay. Please reread my post and note the last sentence where I say, "if this bonus is an expected part of your pay don't offer it back."
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 15:22
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JCC, I do understand what you're saying: but it's a non-existent distinction. I appreciate what you mean: "Fattie's point is that sometimes, in black writing, it explains your bonus will exist and is very explicitly a payment; but, there may be no such document here." But ............. it's part of your pay. Pay is pay. "Pay is pay is pay." It could be we're on different scales here. If the "bonus" was a bottle of scotch, sure, give it back (whatever). But "pay is pay", there wouldn't even be a mechanism to "give back" a substantial bonus.
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 15:37
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I did something similar once. Working for a VERY small company and got a bonus right before deciding to leave. When explaining my resignation, I offered to return the bonus. The boss emphatically insisted that I keep the bonus anyway.
The general consensus on this site tends to lean towards the employee protecting themselves from the employer, due to large numbers of shady employers tricking their workers. HOWEVER, every work situation is different, and I've been lucky to work for mostly really great companies. Trust your instinct on this. If you feel the company needs the bonus money more than you, or that the bonus is implied to be an incentive to stay, then return it. The folks here saying "Bonuses are for past work!" are flat out wrong. Only YOU know the context of the bonus as its being given to you.
I would speak to your boss and indicate that you at least are having doubts about keeping the bonus. From the phrasing of your question, it sounds like you've had a good work environment so far, and I suspect the boss will let you keep the bonus anyway.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 16:03
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You should do what you feel is right, not what other people feel is right.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 3:53
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That's not necessarily sound advice. What we feel isn't always right. What others feel matters (we are very social animals, and most would consider it is good to consider also other people). Also, this doesn't seem to actually answer the question in any meaningful/useful way.
– hyde
Dec 18 '18 at 8:46
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I disagree. This answer is basically correct. OP is asking for moral guidance as though he has no morality of his own. Not only that but he is asking it of a community entirely irrelevant to his situation.
– Sentinel
Dec 18 '18 at 9:59
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Slavery felt right to a lot of people for some time. It's better to think things through, rather than let your feelings make the decisions.
– Mr Me
Dec 18 '18 at 10:44
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A large percentage of questions on The Workplace are from those seeking guidance based on misguided feelings and guilt regarding their employment. Better answers give guidance based on standard business practices and standard employee ethics.
– selbie
Dec 18 '18 at 17:32
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This problem with this line of thinking is that you think that you're being a "better person" by following whatever moral code when the opposite party would not (the company would not give a bonus had he quit sooner, or his boss getting a larger cut). The truth is you put yourself in a situation that you shouldn't be in just because you feel guilty.
– Dan
Dec 18 '18 at 19:50
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A bonus is given when the value of your work for the company, has been greater than the value of your compensation by the company, during the period of the work. This means that the company deemed that it owed you money/under-compensated your work. Your boss expected to get X work/quality out of you for an assignment and thus valued your contribution to the project as Z$ (your salary). You did X+Y, the bonus is the unaccounted Y converted to $.
The fact that your boss/company is likable, is part of the benefits of working for them, and is factored in your salary, and your acceptance of the position (if they were horrible, you would either ask for more or not work there).
If you feel bad that they are paying you out of their own money, and you are not providing enough return of investment, think of two things:
- You already provided more value than they expected
- This is the cost of doing business or realizing/implementing ideas. On average some ventures will generate more value (like added loyalty due to bonuses), some less. It's something accounted for by businesses.
Finally, when you give a bonus to someone, you generally accept the risk that they will leave the next day, and cannot expect to get that money back if they do. As a result, you only hand them that bonus, if that risk is acceptable, meaning that this amount of money is not too significant to the company (it can be risked without going under).
This money is yours, and you cannot "return" it. If you want, you can gift it to them.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:15
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Thanks mate. I consulted with a family member and they said pretty much this. It's my first professional role so there's still a lot I'm unfamiliar with like bonuses :P
– MikamiHero
Dec 19 '18 at 2:50
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Definitely not.
In fact, if you leave your company today and they give a bonus after 3-4 months for this year, you are eligible to get it whenever they pay out.
It is reward for your hard work.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 7:54
techie
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According to my employee handbook, I'm eligible for a bonus if I'm working there when the bonus is delivered. The employee has the right to be paid wages or salary, since they're part of whatever agreement, but generally not for a bonus.
– David Thornley
Dec 19 '18 at 19:25
Most employers do not have guaranteed bonuses and would certainly not pay out months after an employee had quit.
– Matthew Read
Dec 19 '18 at 23:09
is it? didnt know that. In some of the previous companies I worked, they gave out bonuses even after I quit for the time I spent there. Ex: I quit a company in June 2015 and in 2016, I got a pro-rated bonus amount for the 6 months I worked there in 2015. (Not a huge amount but something)
– techie
Dec 20 '18 at 4:57
Almost all employees have some sort of guaranteed (variable) bonus. It's just a normal everyday part of "your payment".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:41
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No, you should not.
A bonus is for past work. You've done that work, and you've earned the bonus. And think of it this way, would you have felt guilty if you left six months after getting a bonus? Three months? A month? Two weeks? A week? Would there ever be a day you felt guilty if you resigned that day, but not if you resigned the day after?
answered Dec 18 '18 at 1:47
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No, you should not.
A bonus is for past work. You've done that work, and you've earned the bonus. And think of it this way, would you have felt guilty if you left six months after getting a bonus? Three months? A month? Two weeks? A week? Would there ever be a day you felt guilty if you resigned that day, but not if you resigned the day after?
answered Dec 18 '18 at 1:47
Abigail
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– Snow♦
Dec 20 '18 at 7:54
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No, you should not.
A bonus is for past work. You've done that work, and you've earned the bonus. And think of it this way, would you have felt guilty if you left six months after getting a bonus? Three months? A month? Two weeks? A week? Would there ever be a day you felt guilty if you resigned that day, but not if you resigned the day after?
answered Dec 18 '18 at 1:47
Abigail
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No, you should not.
A bonus is for past work. You've done that work, and you've earned the bonus. And think of it this way, would you have felt guilty if you left six months after getting a bonus? Three months? A month? Two weeks? A week? Would there ever be a day you felt guilty if you resigned that day, but not if you resigned the day after?
answered Dec 18 '18 at 1:47
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You need to check what your contract says, or what the paperwork coming with the bonus says.
If the bonus says it will be paid if you are still employed say on the 31st of December, you keep it if you are still employed on that day. If it says “if you are employed and no notice is given”, you have to repay it if you have given notice. If you give 14 days notice, you are still employed for 14 days.
It’s always easier to keep a bonus than to force the company to give it to you, so it’s preferable not to give notice before the bonus is in your pocket.
And while there may be a legal obligation to repay the bonus, there is no ethical obligation. The bonus is to reward you for good work done.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:38
gnasher729
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The same goes for stock options and pretty much any benefit the company offers. There should be a specific timeline for eligibility. Check the contract and the company policy.
– Mindwin
Dec 18 '18 at 14:35
This is exactly why some incentive compensation has a vesting period, if yours does not, or you have reached a vested level, then there is no reason to return it or feel any sort of guilt for obtaining said bonus.
– user1723699
Dec 18 '18 at 15:42
add a comment |
You need to check what your contract says, or what the paperwork coming with the bonus says.
If the bonus says it will be paid if you are still employed say on the 31st of December, you keep it if you are still employed on that day. If it says “if you are employed and no notice is given”, you have to repay it if you have given notice. If you give 14 days notice, you are still employed for 14 days.
It’s always easier to keep a bonus than to force the company to give it to you, so it’s preferable not to give notice before the bonus is in your pocket.
And while there may be a legal obligation to repay the bonus, there is no ethical obligation. The bonus is to reward you for good work done.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:38
gnasher729
83k37148263
1
The same goes for stock options and pretty much any benefit the company offers. There should be a specific timeline for eligibility. Check the contract and the company policy.
– Mindwin
Dec 18 '18 at 14:35
This is exactly why some incentive compensation has a vesting period, if yours does not, or you have reached a vested level, then there is no reason to return it or feel any sort of guilt for obtaining said bonus.
– user1723699
Dec 18 '18 at 15:42
add a comment |
You need to check what your contract says, or what the paperwork coming with the bonus says.
If the bonus says it will be paid if you are still employed say on the 31st of December, you keep it if you are still employed on that day. If it says “if you are employed and no notice is given”, you have to repay it if you have given notice. If you give 14 days notice, you are still employed for 14 days.
It’s always easier to keep a bonus than to force the company to give it to you, so it’s preferable not to give notice before the bonus is in your pocket.
And while there may be a legal obligation to repay the bonus, there is no ethical obligation. The bonus is to reward you for good work done.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:38
gnasher729
83k37148263
You need to check what your contract says, or what the paperwork coming with the bonus says.
If the bonus says it will be paid if you are still employed say on the 31st of December, you keep it if you are still employed on that day. If it says “if you are employed and no notice is given”, you have to repay it if you have given notice. If you give 14 days notice, you are still employed for 14 days.
It’s always easier to keep a bonus than to force the company to give it to you, so it’s preferable not to give notice before the bonus is in your pocket.
And while there may be a legal obligation to repay the bonus, there is no ethical obligation. The bonus is to reward you for good work done.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:38
gnasher729
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answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:38
gnasher729
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answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:38
gnasher729
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answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:38
gnasher729
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83k37148263
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The same goes for stock options and pretty much any benefit the company offers. There should be a specific timeline for eligibility. Check the contract and the company policy.
– Mindwin
Dec 18 '18 at 14:35
This is exactly why some incentive compensation has a vesting period, if yours does not, or you have reached a vested level, then there is no reason to return it or feel any sort of guilt for obtaining said bonus.
– user1723699
Dec 18 '18 at 15:42
add a comment |
1
The same goes for stock options and pretty much any benefit the company offers. There should be a specific timeline for eligibility. Check the contract and the company policy.
– Mindwin
Dec 18 '18 at 14:35
This is exactly why some incentive compensation has a vesting period, if yours does not, or you have reached a vested level, then there is no reason to return it or feel any sort of guilt for obtaining said bonus.
– user1723699
Dec 18 '18 at 15:42
1
1
The same goes for stock options and pretty much any benefit the company offers. There should be a specific timeline for eligibility. Check the contract and the company policy.
– Mindwin
Dec 18 '18 at 14:35
The same goes for stock options and pretty much any benefit the company offers. There should be a specific timeline for eligibility. Check the contract and the company policy.
– Mindwin
Dec 18 '18 at 14:35
This is exactly why some incentive compensation has a vesting period, if yours does not, or you have reached a vested level, then there is no reason to return it or feel any sort of guilt for obtaining said bonus.
– user1723699
Dec 18 '18 at 15:42
This is exactly why some incentive compensation has a vesting period, if yours does not, or you have reached a vested level, then there is no reason to return it or feel any sort of guilt for obtaining said bonus.
– user1723699
Dec 18 '18 at 15:42
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It is probably okay to keep the money.
However, given your recent edit that this is a five person company, I'd offer to give it back. Not because you owe it back (bonuses are generally for past work), but because the bridge is worth more if it hasn't been partially burned.
Now you don't say this, but if this bonus is an expected part of your pay don't offer it back.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 19:42
J. Chris Compton
2,153316
Why do you think you burn bridges if you don't return a bonus they didn't ask back?
– Patrick Hofman
Dec 20 '18 at 11:53
@PatrickHofman Not "burn", "partially burn" because if the small person shop had intended the bonus to help keep employees it could leave a bad taste in their mouth. Remember, I excluded if OP expects it (annual bonus, etc.) I'd tell OP 1 cash the check, and 2 on turning in his notice and giving the "it's not you, it's me" speech, to 3 offer verbally to repay it if necessary. That's the point where a classy boss who understands the world says, "Oh no, you've done a good job, keep it!" If boss says to repay it - OP saved a bridge that would have burned! Either way OP comes across classy.
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 14:13
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"I'd offer to give it back" this is very wrong. In many/most roles you get paid like this: "You'll get $XXX,000 salary per annum and you'll get a bonus on date Date being 30% to 70% {whatever figures} depending on performance and sales." It is simply PART OF YOUR SALARY. You would no more "give back" a bonus to a company than you would "give back" your salary or simply "give them some money". It would be wholly irrational to do so. If, bizarrely, you suggested it the accountants would just say "obviously you can not do that".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:40
@Fattie You are describing a situation where the bonus is part of your pay. Please reread my post and note the last sentence where I say, "if this bonus is an expected part of your pay don't offer it back."
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 15:22
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JCC, I do understand what you're saying: but it's a non-existent distinction. I appreciate what you mean: "Fattie's point is that sometimes, in black writing, it explains your bonus will exist and is very explicitly a payment; but, there may be no such document here." But ............. it's part of your pay. Pay is pay. "Pay is pay is pay." It could be we're on different scales here. If the "bonus" was a bottle of scotch, sure, give it back (whatever). But "pay is pay", there wouldn't even be a mechanism to "give back" a substantial bonus.
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 15:37
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It is probably okay to keep the money.
However, given your recent edit that this is a five person company, I'd offer to give it back. Not because you owe it back (bonuses are generally for past work), but because the bridge is worth more if it hasn't been partially burned.
Now you don't say this, but if this bonus is an expected part of your pay don't offer it back.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 19:42
J. Chris Compton
2,153316
Why do you think you burn bridges if you don't return a bonus they didn't ask back?
– Patrick Hofman
Dec 20 '18 at 11:53
@PatrickHofman Not "burn", "partially burn" because if the small person shop had intended the bonus to help keep employees it could leave a bad taste in their mouth. Remember, I excluded if OP expects it (annual bonus, etc.) I'd tell OP 1 cash the check, and 2 on turning in his notice and giving the "it's not you, it's me" speech, to 3 offer verbally to repay it if necessary. That's the point where a classy boss who understands the world says, "Oh no, you've done a good job, keep it!" If boss says to repay it - OP saved a bridge that would have burned! Either way OP comes across classy.
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 14:13
1
"I'd offer to give it back" this is very wrong. In many/most roles you get paid like this: "You'll get $XXX,000 salary per annum and you'll get a bonus on date Date being 30% to 70% {whatever figures} depending on performance and sales." It is simply PART OF YOUR SALARY. You would no more "give back" a bonus to a company than you would "give back" your salary or simply "give them some money". It would be wholly irrational to do so. If, bizarrely, you suggested it the accountants would just say "obviously you can not do that".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:40
@Fattie You are describing a situation where the bonus is part of your pay. Please reread my post and note the last sentence where I say, "if this bonus is an expected part of your pay don't offer it back."
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 15:22
1
JCC, I do understand what you're saying: but it's a non-existent distinction. I appreciate what you mean: "Fattie's point is that sometimes, in black writing, it explains your bonus will exist and is very explicitly a payment; but, there may be no such document here." But ............. it's part of your pay. Pay is pay. "Pay is pay is pay." It could be we're on different scales here. If the "bonus" was a bottle of scotch, sure, give it back (whatever). But "pay is pay", there wouldn't even be a mechanism to "give back" a substantial bonus.
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 15:37
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It is probably okay to keep the money.
However, given your recent edit that this is a five person company, I'd offer to give it back. Not because you owe it back (bonuses are generally for past work), but because the bridge is worth more if it hasn't been partially burned.
Now you don't say this, but if this bonus is an expected part of your pay don't offer it back.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 19:42
J. Chris Compton
2,153316
It is probably okay to keep the money.
However, given your recent edit that this is a five person company, I'd offer to give it back. Not because you owe it back (bonuses are generally for past work), but because the bridge is worth more if it hasn't been partially burned.
Now you don't say this, but if this bonus is an expected part of your pay don't offer it back.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 19:42
J. Chris Compton
2,153316
answered Dec 19 '18 at 19:42
J. Chris Compton
2,153316
answered Dec 19 '18 at 19:42
J. Chris Compton
2,153316
answered Dec 19 '18 at 19:42
J. Chris Compton
2,153316
2,153316
Why do you think you burn bridges if you don't return a bonus they didn't ask back?
– Patrick Hofman
Dec 20 '18 at 11:53
@PatrickHofman Not "burn", "partially burn" because if the small person shop had intended the bonus to help keep employees it could leave a bad taste in their mouth. Remember, I excluded if OP expects it (annual bonus, etc.) I'd tell OP 1 cash the check, and 2 on turning in his notice and giving the "it's not you, it's me" speech, to 3 offer verbally to repay it if necessary. That's the point where a classy boss who understands the world says, "Oh no, you've done a good job, keep it!" If boss says to repay it - OP saved a bridge that would have burned! Either way OP comes across classy.
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 14:13
1
"I'd offer to give it back" this is very wrong. In many/most roles you get paid like this: "You'll get $XXX,000 salary per annum and you'll get a bonus on date Date being 30% to 70% {whatever figures} depending on performance and sales." It is simply PART OF YOUR SALARY. You would no more "give back" a bonus to a company than you would "give back" your salary or simply "give them some money". It would be wholly irrational to do so. If, bizarrely, you suggested it the accountants would just say "obviously you can not do that".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:40
@Fattie You are describing a situation where the bonus is part of your pay. Please reread my post and note the last sentence where I say, "if this bonus is an expected part of your pay don't offer it back."
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 15:22
1
JCC, I do understand what you're saying: but it's a non-existent distinction. I appreciate what you mean: "Fattie's point is that sometimes, in black writing, it explains your bonus will exist and is very explicitly a payment; but, there may be no such document here." But ............. it's part of your pay. Pay is pay. "Pay is pay is pay." It could be we're on different scales here. If the "bonus" was a bottle of scotch, sure, give it back (whatever). But "pay is pay", there wouldn't even be a mechanism to "give back" a substantial bonus.
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 15:37
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Why do you think you burn bridges if you don't return a bonus they didn't ask back?
– Patrick Hofman
Dec 20 '18 at 11:53
@PatrickHofman Not "burn", "partially burn" because if the small person shop had intended the bonus to help keep employees it could leave a bad taste in their mouth. Remember, I excluded if OP expects it (annual bonus, etc.) I'd tell OP 1 cash the check, and 2 on turning in his notice and giving the "it's not you, it's me" speech, to 3 offer verbally to repay it if necessary. That's the point where a classy boss who understands the world says, "Oh no, you've done a good job, keep it!" If boss says to repay it - OP saved a bridge that would have burned! Either way OP comes across classy.
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 14:13
1
"I'd offer to give it back" this is very wrong. In many/most roles you get paid like this: "You'll get $XXX,000 salary per annum and you'll get a bonus on date Date being 30% to 70% {whatever figures} depending on performance and sales." It is simply PART OF YOUR SALARY. You would no more "give back" a bonus to a company than you would "give back" your salary or simply "give them some money". It would be wholly irrational to do so. If, bizarrely, you suggested it the accountants would just say "obviously you can not do that".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:40
@Fattie You are describing a situation where the bonus is part of your pay. Please reread my post and note the last sentence where I say, "if this bonus is an expected part of your pay don't offer it back."
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 15:22
1
JCC, I do understand what you're saying: but it's a non-existent distinction. I appreciate what you mean: "Fattie's point is that sometimes, in black writing, it explains your bonus will exist and is very explicitly a payment; but, there may be no such document here." But ............. it's part of your pay. Pay is pay. "Pay is pay is pay." It could be we're on different scales here. If the "bonus" was a bottle of scotch, sure, give it back (whatever). But "pay is pay", there wouldn't even be a mechanism to "give back" a substantial bonus.
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 15:37
Why do you think you burn bridges if you don't return a bonus they didn't ask back?
– Patrick Hofman
Dec 20 '18 at 11:53
Why do you think you burn bridges if you don't return a bonus they didn't ask back?
– Patrick Hofman
Dec 20 '18 at 11:53
@PatrickHofman Not "burn", "partially burn" because if the small person shop had intended the bonus to help keep employees it could leave a bad taste in their mouth. Remember, I excluded if OP expects it (annual bonus, etc.) I'd tell OP 1 cash the check, and 2 on turning in his notice and giving the "it's not you, it's me" speech, to 3 offer verbally to repay it if necessary. That's the point where a classy boss who understands the world says, "Oh no, you've done a good job, keep it!" If boss says to repay it - OP saved a bridge that would have burned! Either way OP comes across classy.
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 14:13
@PatrickHofman Not "burn", "partially burn" because if the small person shop had intended the bonus to help keep employees it could leave a bad taste in their mouth. Remember, I excluded if OP expects it (annual bonus, etc.) I'd tell OP 1 cash the check, and 2 on turning in his notice and giving the "it's not you, it's me" speech, to 3 offer verbally to repay it if necessary. That's the point where a classy boss who understands the world says, "Oh no, you've done a good job, keep it!" If boss says to repay it - OP saved a bridge that would have burned! Either way OP comes across classy.
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 14:13
1
1
"I'd offer to give it back" this is very wrong. In many/most roles you get paid like this: "You'll get $XXX,000 salary per annum and you'll get a bonus on date Date being 30% to 70% {whatever figures} depending on performance and sales." It is simply PART OF YOUR SALARY. You would no more "give back" a bonus to a company than you would "give back" your salary or simply "give them some money". It would be wholly irrational to do so. If, bizarrely, you suggested it the accountants would just say "obviously you can not do that".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:40
"I'd offer to give it back" this is very wrong. In many/most roles you get paid like this: "You'll get $XXX,000 salary per annum and you'll get a bonus on date Date being 30% to 70% {whatever figures} depending on performance and sales." It is simply PART OF YOUR SALARY. You would no more "give back" a bonus to a company than you would "give back" your salary or simply "give them some money". It would be wholly irrational to do so. If, bizarrely, you suggested it the accountants would just say "obviously you can not do that".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:40
@Fattie You are describing a situation where the bonus is part of your pay. Please reread my post and note the last sentence where I say, "if this bonus is an expected part of your pay don't offer it back."
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 15:22
@Fattie You are describing a situation where the bonus is part of your pay. Please reread my post and note the last sentence where I say, "if this bonus is an expected part of your pay don't offer it back."
– J. Chris Compton
Dec 20 '18 at 15:22
1
1
JCC, I do understand what you're saying: but it's a non-existent distinction. I appreciate what you mean: "Fattie's point is that sometimes, in black writing, it explains your bonus will exist and is very explicitly a payment; but, there may be no such document here." But ............. it's part of your pay. Pay is pay. "Pay is pay is pay." It could be we're on different scales here. If the "bonus" was a bottle of scotch, sure, give it back (whatever). But "pay is pay", there wouldn't even be a mechanism to "give back" a substantial bonus.
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 15:37
JCC, I do understand what you're saying: but it's a non-existent distinction. I appreciate what you mean: "Fattie's point is that sometimes, in black writing, it explains your bonus will exist and is very explicitly a payment; but, there may be no such document here." But ............. it's part of your pay. Pay is pay. "Pay is pay is pay." It could be we're on different scales here. If the "bonus" was a bottle of scotch, sure, give it back (whatever). But "pay is pay", there wouldn't even be a mechanism to "give back" a substantial bonus.
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 15:37
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I did something similar once. Working for a VERY small company and got a bonus right before deciding to leave. When explaining my resignation, I offered to return the bonus. The boss emphatically insisted that I keep the bonus anyway.
The general consensus on this site tends to lean towards the employee protecting themselves from the employer, due to large numbers of shady employers tricking their workers. HOWEVER, every work situation is different, and I've been lucky to work for mostly really great companies. Trust your instinct on this. If you feel the company needs the bonus money more than you, or that the bonus is implied to be an incentive to stay, then return it. The folks here saying "Bonuses are for past work!" are flat out wrong. Only YOU know the context of the bonus as its being given to you.
I would speak to your boss and indicate that you at least are having doubts about keeping the bonus. From the phrasing of your question, it sounds like you've had a good work environment so far, and I suspect the boss will let you keep the bonus anyway.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 16:03
Graham
1574
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I did something similar once. Working for a VERY small company and got a bonus right before deciding to leave. When explaining my resignation, I offered to return the bonus. The boss emphatically insisted that I keep the bonus anyway.
The general consensus on this site tends to lean towards the employee protecting themselves from the employer, due to large numbers of shady employers tricking their workers. HOWEVER, every work situation is different, and I've been lucky to work for mostly really great companies. Trust your instinct on this. If you feel the company needs the bonus money more than you, or that the bonus is implied to be an incentive to stay, then return it. The folks here saying "Bonuses are for past work!" are flat out wrong. Only YOU know the context of the bonus as its being given to you.
I would speak to your boss and indicate that you at least are having doubts about keeping the bonus. From the phrasing of your question, it sounds like you've had a good work environment so far, and I suspect the boss will let you keep the bonus anyway.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 16:03
Graham
1574
add a comment |
I did something similar once. Working for a VERY small company and got a bonus right before deciding to leave. When explaining my resignation, I offered to return the bonus. The boss emphatically insisted that I keep the bonus anyway.
The general consensus on this site tends to lean towards the employee protecting themselves from the employer, due to large numbers of shady employers tricking their workers. HOWEVER, every work situation is different, and I've been lucky to work for mostly really great companies. Trust your instinct on this. If you feel the company needs the bonus money more than you, or that the bonus is implied to be an incentive to stay, then return it. The folks here saying "Bonuses are for past work!" are flat out wrong. Only YOU know the context of the bonus as its being given to you.
I would speak to your boss and indicate that you at least are having doubts about keeping the bonus. From the phrasing of your question, it sounds like you've had a good work environment so far, and I suspect the boss will let you keep the bonus anyway.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 16:03
Graham
1574
I did something similar once. Working for a VERY small company and got a bonus right before deciding to leave. When explaining my resignation, I offered to return the bonus. The boss emphatically insisted that I keep the bonus anyway.
The general consensus on this site tends to lean towards the employee protecting themselves from the employer, due to large numbers of shady employers tricking their workers. HOWEVER, every work situation is different, and I've been lucky to work for mostly really great companies. Trust your instinct on this. If you feel the company needs the bonus money more than you, or that the bonus is implied to be an incentive to stay, then return it. The folks here saying "Bonuses are for past work!" are flat out wrong. Only YOU know the context of the bonus as its being given to you.
I would speak to your boss and indicate that you at least are having doubts about keeping the bonus. From the phrasing of your question, it sounds like you've had a good work environment so far, and I suspect the boss will let you keep the bonus anyway.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 16:03
Graham
1574
answered Dec 19 '18 at 16:03
Graham
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answered Dec 19 '18 at 16:03
Graham
1574
answered Dec 19 '18 at 16:03
Graham
1574
1574
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You should do what you feel is right, not what other people feel is right.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 3:53
Chan-Ho Suh
2,25511012
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That's not necessarily sound advice. What we feel isn't always right. What others feel matters (we are very social animals, and most would consider it is good to consider also other people). Also, this doesn't seem to actually answer the question in any meaningful/useful way.
– hyde
Dec 18 '18 at 8:46
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I disagree. This answer is basically correct. OP is asking for moral guidance as though he has no morality of his own. Not only that but he is asking it of a community entirely irrelevant to his situation.
– Sentinel
Dec 18 '18 at 9:59
5
Slavery felt right to a lot of people for some time. It's better to think things through, rather than let your feelings make the decisions.
– Mr Me
Dec 18 '18 at 10:44
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A large percentage of questions on The Workplace are from those seeking guidance based on misguided feelings and guilt regarding their employment. Better answers give guidance based on standard business practices and standard employee ethics.
– selbie
Dec 18 '18 at 17:32
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This problem with this line of thinking is that you think that you're being a "better person" by following whatever moral code when the opposite party would not (the company would not give a bonus had he quit sooner, or his boss getting a larger cut). The truth is you put yourself in a situation that you shouldn't be in just because you feel guilty.
– Dan
Dec 18 '18 at 19:50
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You should do what you feel is right, not what other people feel is right.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 3:53
Chan-Ho Suh
2,25511012
We're looking for long answers that provide some explanation and context. Don't just give a one-line answer; explain why your answer is right, ideally with citations. Answers that don't include explanations may be removed.
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That's not necessarily sound advice. What we feel isn't always right. What others feel matters (we are very social animals, and most would consider it is good to consider also other people). Also, this doesn't seem to actually answer the question in any meaningful/useful way.
– hyde
Dec 18 '18 at 8:46
5
I disagree. This answer is basically correct. OP is asking for moral guidance as though he has no morality of his own. Not only that but he is asking it of a community entirely irrelevant to his situation.
– Sentinel
Dec 18 '18 at 9:59
5
Slavery felt right to a lot of people for some time. It's better to think things through, rather than let your feelings make the decisions.
– Mr Me
Dec 18 '18 at 10:44
10
A large percentage of questions on The Workplace are from those seeking guidance based on misguided feelings and guilt regarding their employment. Better answers give guidance based on standard business practices and standard employee ethics.
– selbie
Dec 18 '18 at 17:32
2
This problem with this line of thinking is that you think that you're being a "better person" by following whatever moral code when the opposite party would not (the company would not give a bonus had he quit sooner, or his boss getting a larger cut). The truth is you put yourself in a situation that you shouldn't be in just because you feel guilty.
– Dan
Dec 18 '18 at 19:50
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You should do what you feel is right, not what other people feel is right.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 3:53
Chan-Ho Suh
2,25511012
You should do what you feel is right, not what other people feel is right.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 3:53
Chan-Ho Suh
2,25511012
answered Dec 18 '18 at 3:53
Chan-Ho Suh
2,25511012
answered Dec 18 '18 at 3:53
Chan-Ho Suh
2,25511012
answered Dec 18 '18 at 3:53
Chan-Ho Suh
2,25511012
2,25511012
We're looking for long answers that provide some explanation and context. Don't just give a one-line answer; explain why your answer is right, ideally with citations. Answers that don't include explanations may be removed.
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That's not necessarily sound advice. What we feel isn't always right. What others feel matters (we are very social animals, and most would consider it is good to consider also other people). Also, this doesn't seem to actually answer the question in any meaningful/useful way.
– hyde
Dec 18 '18 at 8:46
5
I disagree. This answer is basically correct. OP is asking for moral guidance as though he has no morality of his own. Not only that but he is asking it of a community entirely irrelevant to his situation.
– Sentinel
Dec 18 '18 at 9:59
5
Slavery felt right to a lot of people for some time. It's better to think things through, rather than let your feelings make the decisions.
– Mr Me
Dec 18 '18 at 10:44
10
A large percentage of questions on The Workplace are from those seeking guidance based on misguided feelings and guilt regarding their employment. Better answers give guidance based on standard business practices and standard employee ethics.
– selbie
Dec 18 '18 at 17:32
2
This problem with this line of thinking is that you think that you're being a "better person" by following whatever moral code when the opposite party would not (the company would not give a bonus had he quit sooner, or his boss getting a larger cut). The truth is you put yourself in a situation that you shouldn't be in just because you feel guilty.
– Dan
Dec 18 '18 at 19:50
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That's not necessarily sound advice. What we feel isn't always right. What others feel matters (we are very social animals, and most would consider it is good to consider also other people). Also, this doesn't seem to actually answer the question in any meaningful/useful way.
– hyde
Dec 18 '18 at 8:46
5
I disagree. This answer is basically correct. OP is asking for moral guidance as though he has no morality of his own. Not only that but he is asking it of a community entirely irrelevant to his situation.
– Sentinel
Dec 18 '18 at 9:59
5
Slavery felt right to a lot of people for some time. It's better to think things through, rather than let your feelings make the decisions.
– Mr Me
Dec 18 '18 at 10:44
10
A large percentage of questions on The Workplace are from those seeking guidance based on misguided feelings and guilt regarding their employment. Better answers give guidance based on standard business practices and standard employee ethics.
– selbie
Dec 18 '18 at 17:32
2
This problem with this line of thinking is that you think that you're being a "better person" by following whatever moral code when the opposite party would not (the company would not give a bonus had he quit sooner, or his boss getting a larger cut). The truth is you put yourself in a situation that you shouldn't be in just because you feel guilty.
– Dan
Dec 18 '18 at 19:50
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28
That's not necessarily sound advice. What we feel isn't always right. What others feel matters (we are very social animals, and most would consider it is good to consider also other people). Also, this doesn't seem to actually answer the question in any meaningful/useful way.
– hyde
Dec 18 '18 at 8:46
That's not necessarily sound advice. What we feel isn't always right. What others feel matters (we are very social animals, and most would consider it is good to consider also other people). Also, this doesn't seem to actually answer the question in any meaningful/useful way.
– hyde
Dec 18 '18 at 8:46
5
5
I disagree. This answer is basically correct. OP is asking for moral guidance as though he has no morality of his own. Not only that but he is asking it of a community entirely irrelevant to his situation.
– Sentinel
Dec 18 '18 at 9:59
I disagree. This answer is basically correct. OP is asking for moral guidance as though he has no morality of his own. Not only that but he is asking it of a community entirely irrelevant to his situation.
– Sentinel
Dec 18 '18 at 9:59
5
5
Slavery felt right to a lot of people for some time. It's better to think things through, rather than let your feelings make the decisions.
– Mr Me
Dec 18 '18 at 10:44
Slavery felt right to a lot of people for some time. It's better to think things through, rather than let your feelings make the decisions.
– Mr Me
Dec 18 '18 at 10:44
10
10
A large percentage of questions on The Workplace are from those seeking guidance based on misguided feelings and guilt regarding their employment. Better answers give guidance based on standard business practices and standard employee ethics.
– selbie
Dec 18 '18 at 17:32
A large percentage of questions on The Workplace are from those seeking guidance based on misguided feelings and guilt regarding their employment. Better answers give guidance based on standard business practices and standard employee ethics.
– selbie
Dec 18 '18 at 17:32
2
2
This problem with this line of thinking is that you think that you're being a "better person" by following whatever moral code when the opposite party would not (the company would not give a bonus had he quit sooner, or his boss getting a larger cut). The truth is you put yourself in a situation that you shouldn't be in just because you feel guilty.
– Dan
Dec 18 '18 at 19:50
This problem with this line of thinking is that you think that you're being a "better person" by following whatever moral code when the opposite party would not (the company would not give a bonus had he quit sooner, or his boss getting a larger cut). The truth is you put yourself in a situation that you shouldn't be in just because you feel guilty.
– Dan
Dec 18 '18 at 19:50
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A bonus is given when the value of your work for the company, has been greater than the value of your compensation by the company, during the period of the work. This means that the company deemed that it owed you money/under-compensated your work. Your boss expected to get X work/quality out of you for an assignment and thus valued your contribution to the project as Z$ (your salary). You did X+Y, the bonus is the unaccounted Y converted to $.
The fact that your boss/company is likable, is part of the benefits of working for them, and is factored in your salary, and your acceptance of the position (if they were horrible, you would either ask for more or not work there).
If you feel bad that they are paying you out of their own money, and you are not providing enough return of investment, think of two things:
- You already provided more value than they expected
- This is the cost of doing business or realizing/implementing ideas. On average some ventures will generate more value (like added loyalty due to bonuses), some less. It's something accounted for by businesses.
Finally, when you give a bonus to someone, you generally accept the risk that they will leave the next day, and cannot expect to get that money back if they do. As a result, you only hand them that bonus, if that risk is acceptable, meaning that this amount of money is not too significant to the company (it can be risked without going under).
This money is yours, and you cannot "return" it. If you want, you can gift it to them.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:15
K. Gkinis
1373
Thanks mate. I consulted with a family member and they said pretty much this. It's my first professional role so there's still a lot I'm unfamiliar with like bonuses :P
– MikamiHero
Dec 19 '18 at 2:50
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A bonus is given when the value of your work for the company, has been greater than the value of your compensation by the company, during the period of the work. This means that the company deemed that it owed you money/under-compensated your work. Your boss expected to get X work/quality out of you for an assignment and thus valued your contribution to the project as Z$ (your salary). You did X+Y, the bonus is the unaccounted Y converted to $.
The fact that your boss/company is likable, is part of the benefits of working for them, and is factored in your salary, and your acceptance of the position (if they were horrible, you would either ask for more or not work there).
If you feel bad that they are paying you out of their own money, and you are not providing enough return of investment, think of two things:
- You already provided more value than they expected
- This is the cost of doing business or realizing/implementing ideas. On average some ventures will generate more value (like added loyalty due to bonuses), some less. It's something accounted for by businesses.
Finally, when you give a bonus to someone, you generally accept the risk that they will leave the next day, and cannot expect to get that money back if they do. As a result, you only hand them that bonus, if that risk is acceptable, meaning that this amount of money is not too significant to the company (it can be risked without going under).
This money is yours, and you cannot "return" it. If you want, you can gift it to them.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:15
K. Gkinis
1373
Thanks mate. I consulted with a family member and they said pretty much this. It's my first professional role so there's still a lot I'm unfamiliar with like bonuses :P
– MikamiHero
Dec 19 '18 at 2:50
add a comment |
A bonus is given when the value of your work for the company, has been greater than the value of your compensation by the company, during the period of the work. This means that the company deemed that it owed you money/under-compensated your work. Your boss expected to get X work/quality out of you for an assignment and thus valued your contribution to the project as Z$ (your salary). You did X+Y, the bonus is the unaccounted Y converted to $.
The fact that your boss/company is likable, is part of the benefits of working for them, and is factored in your salary, and your acceptance of the position (if they were horrible, you would either ask for more or not work there).
If you feel bad that they are paying you out of their own money, and you are not providing enough return of investment, think of two things:
- You already provided more value than they expected
- This is the cost of doing business or realizing/implementing ideas. On average some ventures will generate more value (like added loyalty due to bonuses), some less. It's something accounted for by businesses.
Finally, when you give a bonus to someone, you generally accept the risk that they will leave the next day, and cannot expect to get that money back if they do. As a result, you only hand them that bonus, if that risk is acceptable, meaning that this amount of money is not too significant to the company (it can be risked without going under).
This money is yours, and you cannot "return" it. If you want, you can gift it to them.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:15
K. Gkinis
1373
A bonus is given when the value of your work for the company, has been greater than the value of your compensation by the company, during the period of the work. This means that the company deemed that it owed you money/under-compensated your work. Your boss expected to get X work/quality out of you for an assignment and thus valued your contribution to the project as Z$ (your salary). You did X+Y, the bonus is the unaccounted Y converted to $.
The fact that your boss/company is likable, is part of the benefits of working for them, and is factored in your salary, and your acceptance of the position (if they were horrible, you would either ask for more or not work there).
If you feel bad that they are paying you out of their own money, and you are not providing enough return of investment, think of two things:
- You already provided more value than they expected
- This is the cost of doing business or realizing/implementing ideas. On average some ventures will generate more value (like added loyalty due to bonuses), some less. It's something accounted for by businesses.
Finally, when you give a bonus to someone, you generally accept the risk that they will leave the next day, and cannot expect to get that money back if they do. As a result, you only hand them that bonus, if that risk is acceptable, meaning that this amount of money is not too significant to the company (it can be risked without going under).
This money is yours, and you cannot "return" it. If you want, you can gift it to them.
answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:15
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answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:15
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answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:15
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answered Dec 18 '18 at 11:15
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Thanks mate. I consulted with a family member and they said pretty much this. It's my first professional role so there's still a lot I'm unfamiliar with like bonuses :P
– MikamiHero
Dec 19 '18 at 2:50
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Thanks mate. I consulted with a family member and they said pretty much this. It's my first professional role so there's still a lot I'm unfamiliar with like bonuses :P
– MikamiHero
Dec 19 '18 at 2:50
Thanks mate. I consulted with a family member and they said pretty much this. It's my first professional role so there's still a lot I'm unfamiliar with like bonuses :P
– MikamiHero
Dec 19 '18 at 2:50
Thanks mate. I consulted with a family member and they said pretty much this. It's my first professional role so there's still a lot I'm unfamiliar with like bonuses :P
– MikamiHero
Dec 19 '18 at 2:50
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Definitely not.
In fact, if you leave your company today and they give a bonus after 3-4 months for this year, you are eligible to get it whenever they pay out.
It is reward for your hard work.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 7:54
techie
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According to my employee handbook, I'm eligible for a bonus if I'm working there when the bonus is delivered. The employee has the right to be paid wages or salary, since they're part of whatever agreement, but generally not for a bonus.
– David Thornley
Dec 19 '18 at 19:25
Most employers do not have guaranteed bonuses and would certainly not pay out months after an employee had quit.
– Matthew Read
Dec 19 '18 at 23:09
is it? didnt know that. In some of the previous companies I worked, they gave out bonuses even after I quit for the time I spent there. Ex: I quit a company in June 2015 and in 2016, I got a pro-rated bonus amount for the 6 months I worked there in 2015. (Not a huge amount but something)
– techie
Dec 20 '18 at 4:57
Almost all employees have some sort of guaranteed (variable) bonus. It's just a normal everyday part of "your payment".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:41
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Definitely not.
In fact, if you leave your company today and they give a bonus after 3-4 months for this year, you are eligible to get it whenever they pay out.
It is reward for your hard work.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 7:54
techie
39113
According to my employee handbook, I'm eligible for a bonus if I'm working there when the bonus is delivered. The employee has the right to be paid wages or salary, since they're part of whatever agreement, but generally not for a bonus.
– David Thornley
Dec 19 '18 at 19:25
Most employers do not have guaranteed bonuses and would certainly not pay out months after an employee had quit.
– Matthew Read
Dec 19 '18 at 23:09
is it? didnt know that. In some of the previous companies I worked, they gave out bonuses even after I quit for the time I spent there. Ex: I quit a company in June 2015 and in 2016, I got a pro-rated bonus amount for the 6 months I worked there in 2015. (Not a huge amount but something)
– techie
Dec 20 '18 at 4:57
Almost all employees have some sort of guaranteed (variable) bonus. It's just a normal everyday part of "your payment".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:41
add a comment |
Definitely not.
In fact, if you leave your company today and they give a bonus after 3-4 months for this year, you are eligible to get it whenever they pay out.
It is reward for your hard work.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 7:54
techie
39113
Definitely not.
In fact, if you leave your company today and they give a bonus after 3-4 months for this year, you are eligible to get it whenever they pay out.
It is reward for your hard work.
answered Dec 19 '18 at 7:54
techie
39113
answered Dec 19 '18 at 7:54
techie
39113
answered Dec 19 '18 at 7:54
techie
39113
answered Dec 19 '18 at 7:54
techie
39113
39113
According to my employee handbook, I'm eligible for a bonus if I'm working there when the bonus is delivered. The employee has the right to be paid wages or salary, since they're part of whatever agreement, but generally not for a bonus.
– David Thornley
Dec 19 '18 at 19:25
Most employers do not have guaranteed bonuses and would certainly not pay out months after an employee had quit.
– Matthew Read
Dec 19 '18 at 23:09
is it? didnt know that. In some of the previous companies I worked, they gave out bonuses even after I quit for the time I spent there. Ex: I quit a company in June 2015 and in 2016, I got a pro-rated bonus amount for the 6 months I worked there in 2015. (Not a huge amount but something)
– techie
Dec 20 '18 at 4:57
Almost all employees have some sort of guaranteed (variable) bonus. It's just a normal everyday part of "your payment".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:41
add a comment |
According to my employee handbook, I'm eligible for a bonus if I'm working there when the bonus is delivered. The employee has the right to be paid wages or salary, since they're part of whatever agreement, but generally not for a bonus.
– David Thornley
Dec 19 '18 at 19:25
Most employers do not have guaranteed bonuses and would certainly not pay out months after an employee had quit.
– Matthew Read
Dec 19 '18 at 23:09
is it? didnt know that. In some of the previous companies I worked, they gave out bonuses even after I quit for the time I spent there. Ex: I quit a company in June 2015 and in 2016, I got a pro-rated bonus amount for the 6 months I worked there in 2015. (Not a huge amount but something)
– techie
Dec 20 '18 at 4:57
Almost all employees have some sort of guaranteed (variable) bonus. It's just a normal everyday part of "your payment".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:41
According to my employee handbook, I'm eligible for a bonus if I'm working there when the bonus is delivered. The employee has the right to be paid wages or salary, since they're part of whatever agreement, but generally not for a bonus.
– David Thornley
Dec 19 '18 at 19:25
According to my employee handbook, I'm eligible for a bonus if I'm working there when the bonus is delivered. The employee has the right to be paid wages or salary, since they're part of whatever agreement, but generally not for a bonus.
– David Thornley
Dec 19 '18 at 19:25
Most employers do not have guaranteed bonuses and would certainly not pay out months after an employee had quit.
– Matthew Read
Dec 19 '18 at 23:09
Most employers do not have guaranteed bonuses and would certainly not pay out months after an employee had quit.
– Matthew Read
Dec 19 '18 at 23:09
is it? didnt know that. In some of the previous companies I worked, they gave out bonuses even after I quit for the time I spent there. Ex: I quit a company in June 2015 and in 2016, I got a pro-rated bonus amount for the 6 months I worked there in 2015. (Not a huge amount but something)
– techie
Dec 20 '18 at 4:57
is it? didnt know that. In some of the previous companies I worked, they gave out bonuses even after I quit for the time I spent there. Ex: I quit a company in June 2015 and in 2016, I got a pro-rated bonus amount for the 6 months I worked there in 2015. (Not a huge amount but something)
– techie
Dec 20 '18 at 4:57
Almost all employees have some sort of guaranteed (variable) bonus. It's just a normal everyday part of "your payment".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:41
Almost all employees have some sort of guaranteed (variable) bonus. It's just a normal everyday part of "your payment".
– Fattie
Dec 20 '18 at 14:41
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The bonus is for work you’ve already done, not for work you might do in the future, no?
– AffableAmbler
Dec 18 '18 at 1:45
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Possible duplicate of Returning bonuses received while job hunting
– llrs
Dec 18 '18 at 11:22
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Why are they giving you a bonus?
– pwned
Dec 18 '18 at 12:13
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Is the bonus for what you did, or what you will do?
– Harper
Dec 18 '18 at 20:03
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Is a bonus being given to you only, or to every employee of the company? I'm not asking about the amount of the bonus - just whether everyone in the company received one. Also: was the bonus something planned for the year, based on hitting certain targets? Or, is it more of an end-of-the-year gift?
– RDFozz
Dec 18 '18 at 21:32