Prove if the product of $k$ matrices $A_1$ … $A_k$ is nonsingular, then each matrix $A_i$ is nonsingular.












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I'm having trouble proving this without using determinants. I know how to prove it with the product of just two matrices, but I'm not sure how to generalize this to a product of k matrices. Is there a way to do this proof without determinants?



To clarify the question, each matrix is an $n$ by $n$ matrix.



For example, I know that if the determinant of the product is nonzero, then all of the determinants of the individual matrices must also be nonzero.



I also know that if a product of two matrices $A$ and $B$, $AB$ is nonsingular, then there exists a matrix $C$ so that $C(AB) = I$ and $(AB)C = I$, and so $(CA)B = I$ and $A(BC) = I$, so $A$ and $B$ are both invertible, and thus nonsingular.



I'm looking for a way to generalize this. Or just any other way to prove this without determinants.



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    Take your argument for two and induct.
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    Induction is how you would prove this for all $k geq 2$. I would also suggest proving the contrapositive of the statement
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I'm having trouble proving this without using determinants. I know how to prove it with the product of just two matrices, but I'm not sure how to generalize this to a product of k matrices. Is there a way to do this proof without determinants?



To clarify the question, each matrix is an $n$ by $n$ matrix.



For example, I know that if the determinant of the product is nonzero, then all of the determinants of the individual matrices must also be nonzero.



I also know that if a product of two matrices $A$ and $B$, $AB$ is nonsingular, then there exists a matrix $C$ so that $C(AB) = I$ and $(AB)C = I$, and so $(CA)B = I$ and $A(BC) = I$, so $A$ and $B$ are both invertible, and thus nonsingular.



I'm looking for a way to generalize this. Or just any other way to prove this without determinants.



Thanks so much!










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    Take your argument for two and induct.
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    Induction is how you would prove this for all $k geq 2$. I would also suggest proving the contrapositive of the statement
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I'm having trouble proving this without using determinants. I know how to prove it with the product of just two matrices, but I'm not sure how to generalize this to a product of k matrices. Is there a way to do this proof without determinants?



To clarify the question, each matrix is an $n$ by $n$ matrix.



For example, I know that if the determinant of the product is nonzero, then all of the determinants of the individual matrices must also be nonzero.



I also know that if a product of two matrices $A$ and $B$, $AB$ is nonsingular, then there exists a matrix $C$ so that $C(AB) = I$ and $(AB)C = I$, and so $(CA)B = I$ and $A(BC) = I$, so $A$ and $B$ are both invertible, and thus nonsingular.



I'm looking for a way to generalize this. Or just any other way to prove this without determinants.



Thanks so much!










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I'm having trouble proving this without using determinants. I know how to prove it with the product of just two matrices, but I'm not sure how to generalize this to a product of k matrices. Is there a way to do this proof without determinants?



To clarify the question, each matrix is an $n$ by $n$ matrix.



For example, I know that if the determinant of the product is nonzero, then all of the determinants of the individual matrices must also be nonzero.



I also know that if a product of two matrices $A$ and $B$, $AB$ is nonsingular, then there exists a matrix $C$ so that $C(AB) = I$ and $(AB)C = I$, and so $(CA)B = I$ and $A(BC) = I$, so $A$ and $B$ are both invertible, and thus nonsingular.



I'm looking for a way to generalize this. Or just any other way to prove this without determinants.



Thanks so much!







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    Take your argument for two and induct.
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    Induction is how you would prove this for all $k geq 2$. I would also suggest proving the contrapositive of the statement
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    – JavaMan
    Dec 5 '18 at 4:32














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    Take your argument for two and induct.
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    – Randall
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    Induction is how you would prove this for all $k geq 2$. I would also suggest proving the contrapositive of the statement
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    – JavaMan
    Dec 5 '18 at 4:32








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Take your argument for two and induct.
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Take your argument for two and induct.
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Induction is how you would prove this for all $k geq 2$. I would also suggest proving the contrapositive of the statement
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Induction is how you would prove this for all $k geq 2$. I would also suggest proving the contrapositive of the statement
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Since each $A_j : mathbb F^n to mathbb F^n$ ($mathbb F$ can be $mathbb R$ or $mathbb C$), $A_j$ is invertible if and only if $A_j$ is injective by Rank-Nullity Theorem.



Now if the product $A_1 dots A_k$ is invertible, then $A_1 dots A_k$ is injective and it follows for every $j$, $A_j$ must be injective. So $A_j$ is invertible for each $j$.






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    Another way to present it: A matrix $A$ is invertible if and only if image of $R^n$ by $A$ is equal to $R^n$. It follows that if a given $A_i$ is singular, then the product is singular






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      It's already stated in comment, but I think it deserve an answer.



      You say you are able to do it with 2 matrix $A$ and $B$. So, if $k=2$, you're done. Now, use induction to prove it's true for every $k$.



      First, let P(k)="if the product of $k$ matrices $A_1$ ... $A_k$ is nonsingular, then each matrix $A_i$ is nonsingular"



      To use induction, you need to prove:




      1. $exists k in mathbb N, P(k)$

      2. $forall n in mathbb N, P(n) implies P(n+1)$


      In your case, this is how you do it:




      1. You can show that P(2) is true as you did in the question body, but you can even start with P(1), which read as "If $A_1$ is nonsingular, then $A_1$ is non singular".

      2. Suppose P(n) and try to proove that P(n+1) holds. To do this, consider $A=prod_{i in {1ldots n}}{A_i}$ and $B=A_{n+1}$, and use the same technic as in your question. You'll end up with 2 nonsingular matrix. One being $A_{n+1}$, and the other one being a nonsingular product of $n$ matrix. But since you supposed $P(n)$, this means that every matrix in the product is nonsingular itself.






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        Since each $A_j : mathbb F^n to mathbb F^n$ ($mathbb F$ can be $mathbb R$ or $mathbb C$), $A_j$ is invertible if and only if $A_j$ is injective by Rank-Nullity Theorem.



        Now if the product $A_1 dots A_k$ is invertible, then $A_1 dots A_k$ is injective and it follows for every $j$, $A_j$ must be injective. So $A_j$ is invertible for each $j$.






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          Since each $A_j : mathbb F^n to mathbb F^n$ ($mathbb F$ can be $mathbb R$ or $mathbb C$), $A_j$ is invertible if and only if $A_j$ is injective by Rank-Nullity Theorem.



          Now if the product $A_1 dots A_k$ is invertible, then $A_1 dots A_k$ is injective and it follows for every $j$, $A_j$ must be injective. So $A_j$ is invertible for each $j$.






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            Since each $A_j : mathbb F^n to mathbb F^n$ ($mathbb F$ can be $mathbb R$ or $mathbb C$), $A_j$ is invertible if and only if $A_j$ is injective by Rank-Nullity Theorem.



            Now if the product $A_1 dots A_k$ is invertible, then $A_1 dots A_k$ is injective and it follows for every $j$, $A_j$ must be injective. So $A_j$ is invertible for each $j$.






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            Since each $A_j : mathbb F^n to mathbb F^n$ ($mathbb F$ can be $mathbb R$ or $mathbb C$), $A_j$ is invertible if and only if $A_j$ is injective by Rank-Nullity Theorem.



            Now if the product $A_1 dots A_k$ is invertible, then $A_1 dots A_k$ is injective and it follows for every $j$, $A_j$ must be injective. So $A_j$ is invertible for each $j$.







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                Another way to present it: A matrix $A$ is invertible if and only if image of $R^n$ by $A$ is equal to $R^n$. It follows that if a given $A_i$ is singular, then the product is singular






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                  Another way to present it: A matrix $A$ is invertible if and only if image of $R^n$ by $A$ is equal to $R^n$. It follows that if a given $A_i$ is singular, then the product is singular






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                    Another way to present it: A matrix $A$ is invertible if and only if image of $R^n$ by $A$ is equal to $R^n$. It follows that if a given $A_i$ is singular, then the product is singular






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                        It's already stated in comment, but I think it deserve an answer.



                        You say you are able to do it with 2 matrix $A$ and $B$. So, if $k=2$, you're done. Now, use induction to prove it's true for every $k$.



                        First, let P(k)="if the product of $k$ matrices $A_1$ ... $A_k$ is nonsingular, then each matrix $A_i$ is nonsingular"



                        To use induction, you need to prove:




                        1. $exists k in mathbb N, P(k)$

                        2. $forall n in mathbb N, P(n) implies P(n+1)$


                        In your case, this is how you do it:




                        1. You can show that P(2) is true as you did in the question body, but you can even start with P(1), which read as "If $A_1$ is nonsingular, then $A_1$ is non singular".

                        2. Suppose P(n) and try to proove that P(n+1) holds. To do this, consider $A=prod_{i in {1ldots n}}{A_i}$ and $B=A_{n+1}$, and use the same technic as in your question. You'll end up with 2 nonsingular matrix. One being $A_{n+1}$, and the other one being a nonsingular product of $n$ matrix. But since you supposed $P(n)$, this means that every matrix in the product is nonsingular itself.






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                          It's already stated in comment, but I think it deserve an answer.



                          You say you are able to do it with 2 matrix $A$ and $B$. So, if $k=2$, you're done. Now, use induction to prove it's true for every $k$.



                          First, let P(k)="if the product of $k$ matrices $A_1$ ... $A_k$ is nonsingular, then each matrix $A_i$ is nonsingular"



                          To use induction, you need to prove:




                          1. $exists k in mathbb N, P(k)$

                          2. $forall n in mathbb N, P(n) implies P(n+1)$


                          In your case, this is how you do it:




                          1. You can show that P(2) is true as you did in the question body, but you can even start with P(1), which read as "If $A_1$ is nonsingular, then $A_1$ is non singular".

                          2. Suppose P(n) and try to proove that P(n+1) holds. To do this, consider $A=prod_{i in {1ldots n}}{A_i}$ and $B=A_{n+1}$, and use the same technic as in your question. You'll end up with 2 nonsingular matrix. One being $A_{n+1}$, and the other one being a nonsingular product of $n$ matrix. But since you supposed $P(n)$, this means that every matrix in the product is nonsingular itself.






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                            It's already stated in comment, but I think it deserve an answer.



                            You say you are able to do it with 2 matrix $A$ and $B$. So, if $k=2$, you're done. Now, use induction to prove it's true for every $k$.



                            First, let P(k)="if the product of $k$ matrices $A_1$ ... $A_k$ is nonsingular, then each matrix $A_i$ is nonsingular"



                            To use induction, you need to prove:




                            1. $exists k in mathbb N, P(k)$

                            2. $forall n in mathbb N, P(n) implies P(n+1)$


                            In your case, this is how you do it:




                            1. You can show that P(2) is true as you did in the question body, but you can even start with P(1), which read as "If $A_1$ is nonsingular, then $A_1$ is non singular".

                            2. Suppose P(n) and try to proove that P(n+1) holds. To do this, consider $A=prod_{i in {1ldots n}}{A_i}$ and $B=A_{n+1}$, and use the same technic as in your question. You'll end up with 2 nonsingular matrix. One being $A_{n+1}$, and the other one being a nonsingular product of $n$ matrix. But since you supposed $P(n)$, this means that every matrix in the product is nonsingular itself.






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                            It's already stated in comment, but I think it deserve an answer.



                            You say you are able to do it with 2 matrix $A$ and $B$. So, if $k=2$, you're done. Now, use induction to prove it's true for every $k$.



                            First, let P(k)="if the product of $k$ matrices $A_1$ ... $A_k$ is nonsingular, then each matrix $A_i$ is nonsingular"



                            To use induction, you need to prove:




                            1. $exists k in mathbb N, P(k)$

                            2. $forall n in mathbb N, P(n) implies P(n+1)$


                            In your case, this is how you do it:




                            1. You can show that P(2) is true as you did in the question body, but you can even start with P(1), which read as "If $A_1$ is nonsingular, then $A_1$ is non singular".

                            2. Suppose P(n) and try to proove that P(n+1) holds. To do this, consider $A=prod_{i in {1ldots n}}{A_i}$ and $B=A_{n+1}$, and use the same technic as in your question. You'll end up with 2 nonsingular matrix. One being $A_{n+1}$, and the other one being a nonsingular product of $n$ matrix. But since you supposed $P(n)$, this means that every matrix in the product is nonsingular itself.







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