How to add a 7th gear to a car to enhance fuel economy?
Let's say there's a 6-Gear manual transmission car, whose 6th gear equals 2000 rpm at 100 km/h (~60 mph).
How can one theoretically add a 7th gear that can maintain the same speed at 1400 rpm in order to enhance fuel economy?
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Let's say there's a 6-Gear manual transmission car, whose 6th gear equals 2000 rpm at 100 km/h (~60 mph).
How can one theoretically add a 7th gear that can maintain the same speed at 1400 rpm in order to enhance fuel economy?
transmission manual-transmission repair
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Highway speeds are part of the tests for fuel consumption and emissions. If the fuel consumption of your car at highway speeds would significantly improve from lower rpms, the manufacturer would already have adjusted the 6th gear for this. It is likely that the load on the engine at these speeds does not match very well with the engine characteristics at 1400rpm.
– MadMarky
Dec 17 at 16:04
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My car 6th gear is about 80mph at 2000rpm... And will still accelerate reasonably...
– Solar Mike
Dec 17 at 18:07
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@MadMarky Not likely. They probably test "highway speeds", not (real) highway speeds.
– Apollys
Dec 17 at 22:16
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What do you mean, theoretically add a 7th gear? Do you mean the opposite - practically? How to actually make a 6-speed a 7-speed? or theoretically, how to construct a 7-speed gearbox and which components you need to add? Are you asking figuratively, how to - in essence - make the gear box behave as if it had a higher ratio? I don't understand, and by the spread of the answers, others are struggling as well.
– Stian Yttervik
Dec 18 at 10:30
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This is secondhand but when I was researching some maintenance on my old Saturn I came across a forum post of someone stating they had swapped their tallest gear out to get better fuel economy. It appears it was at least possible on 90's cars. That said cars today would probably be very very confused due to the increase in computer use. saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105555
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Dec 18 at 20:46
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Let's say there's a 6-Gear manual transmission car, whose 6th gear equals 2000 rpm at 100 km/h (~60 mph).
How can one theoretically add a 7th gear that can maintain the same speed at 1400 rpm in order to enhance fuel economy?
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Let's say there's a 6-Gear manual transmission car, whose 6th gear equals 2000 rpm at 100 km/h (~60 mph).
How can one theoretically add a 7th gear that can maintain the same speed at 1400 rpm in order to enhance fuel economy?
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Highway speeds are part of the tests for fuel consumption and emissions. If the fuel consumption of your car at highway speeds would significantly improve from lower rpms, the manufacturer would already have adjusted the 6th gear for this. It is likely that the load on the engine at these speeds does not match very well with the engine characteristics at 1400rpm.
– MadMarky
Dec 17 at 16:04
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My car 6th gear is about 80mph at 2000rpm... And will still accelerate reasonably...
– Solar Mike
Dec 17 at 18:07
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@MadMarky Not likely. They probably test "highway speeds", not (real) highway speeds.
– Apollys
Dec 17 at 22:16
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What do you mean, theoretically add a 7th gear? Do you mean the opposite - practically? How to actually make a 6-speed a 7-speed? or theoretically, how to construct a 7-speed gearbox and which components you need to add? Are you asking figuratively, how to - in essence - make the gear box behave as if it had a higher ratio? I don't understand, and by the spread of the answers, others are struggling as well.
– Stian Yttervik
Dec 18 at 10:30
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This is secondhand but when I was researching some maintenance on my old Saturn I came across a forum post of someone stating they had swapped their tallest gear out to get better fuel economy. It appears it was at least possible on 90's cars. That said cars today would probably be very very confused due to the increase in computer use. saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105555
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Dec 18 at 20:46
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Highway speeds are part of the tests for fuel consumption and emissions. If the fuel consumption of your car at highway speeds would significantly improve from lower rpms, the manufacturer would already have adjusted the 6th gear for this. It is likely that the load on the engine at these speeds does not match very well with the engine characteristics at 1400rpm.
– MadMarky
Dec 17 at 16:04
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My car 6th gear is about 80mph at 2000rpm... And will still accelerate reasonably...
– Solar Mike
Dec 17 at 18:07
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@MadMarky Not likely. They probably test "highway speeds", not (real) highway speeds.
– Apollys
Dec 17 at 22:16
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What do you mean, theoretically add a 7th gear? Do you mean the opposite - practically? How to actually make a 6-speed a 7-speed? or theoretically, how to construct a 7-speed gearbox and which components you need to add? Are you asking figuratively, how to - in essence - make the gear box behave as if it had a higher ratio? I don't understand, and by the spread of the answers, others are struggling as well.
– Stian Yttervik
Dec 18 at 10:30
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This is secondhand but when I was researching some maintenance on my old Saturn I came across a forum post of someone stating they had swapped their tallest gear out to get better fuel economy. It appears it was at least possible on 90's cars. That said cars today would probably be very very confused due to the increase in computer use. saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105555
– Sidney
Dec 18 at 20:46
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Highway speeds are part of the tests for fuel consumption and emissions. If the fuel consumption of your car at highway speeds would significantly improve from lower rpms, the manufacturer would already have adjusted the 6th gear for this. It is likely that the load on the engine at these speeds does not match very well with the engine characteristics at 1400rpm.
– MadMarky
Dec 17 at 16:04
Highway speeds are part of the tests for fuel consumption and emissions. If the fuel consumption of your car at highway speeds would significantly improve from lower rpms, the manufacturer would already have adjusted the 6th gear for this. It is likely that the load on the engine at these speeds does not match very well with the engine characteristics at 1400rpm.
– MadMarky
Dec 17 at 16:04
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My car 6th gear is about 80mph at 2000rpm... And will still accelerate reasonably...
– Solar Mike
Dec 17 at 18:07
My car 6th gear is about 80mph at 2000rpm... And will still accelerate reasonably...
– Solar Mike
Dec 17 at 18:07
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@MadMarky Not likely. They probably test "highway speeds", not (real) highway speeds.
– Apollys
Dec 17 at 22:16
@MadMarky Not likely. They probably test "highway speeds", not (real) highway speeds.
– Apollys
Dec 17 at 22:16
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What do you mean, theoretically add a 7th gear? Do you mean the opposite - practically? How to actually make a 6-speed a 7-speed? or theoretically, how to construct a 7-speed gearbox and which components you need to add? Are you asking figuratively, how to - in essence - make the gear box behave as if it had a higher ratio? I don't understand, and by the spread of the answers, others are struggling as well.
– Stian Yttervik
Dec 18 at 10:30
What do you mean, theoretically add a 7th gear? Do you mean the opposite - practically? How to actually make a 6-speed a 7-speed? or theoretically, how to construct a 7-speed gearbox and which components you need to add? Are you asking figuratively, how to - in essence - make the gear box behave as if it had a higher ratio? I don't understand, and by the spread of the answers, others are struggling as well.
– Stian Yttervik
Dec 18 at 10:30
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This is secondhand but when I was researching some maintenance on my old Saturn I came across a forum post of someone stating they had swapped their tallest gear out to get better fuel economy. It appears it was at least possible on 90's cars. That said cars today would probably be very very confused due to the increase in computer use. saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105555
– Sidney
Dec 18 at 20:46
This is secondhand but when I was researching some maintenance on my old Saturn I came across a forum post of someone stating they had swapped their tallest gear out to get better fuel economy. It appears it was at least possible on 90's cars. That said cars today would probably be very very confused due to the increase in computer use. saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105555
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This is something that used to be quite common - in the '60s and '70s, people would add an electronic (or manual) overdrive to the back of the 4-speed gearbox to give an extra gear (usually two, as it would operate in both 3rd and 4th, although on many cars the difference between overdrive-3rd and direct-4th was very little).
It's unlikely to be possible on many, if any, modern cars however, for several reasons:
Most modern cars are front-wheel-drive, so there's no output shaft on the gearbox, with the drive going directly into the differential (although some early 5-speed FWD boxes were simply the previous 4-speed with an extra bit bolted to the side to have the same effect)
There's no extra space in a modern engine bay to add the extra components.
The electronics integral to modern car engines would get very confused
It wouldn't be worth it anyway, as modern gearboxes are designed to more closely reflect the characteristics of the engine, so the top gear will be set to have the engine at optimum RPM at a typical cruising speed - that's much easier to do with 6 gears than it used to be with only 4. The use of overdrives I mention above largely coincided with the proliferation of motorways and other faster roads, so allowed the higher cruising speeds necessary for those roads.
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Your last point is very salient: transmissions are already optimized.
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 15:42
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Even if they weren't optimized it wouldn't be worth it. Would it really save you thousands of dollars in gasoline?
– Mazura
Dec 17 at 22:13
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@mckenzm even that's not worth it - on my car, an extra 20 miles per tank would save me 0.6p/mile. At ~£100 per tyre, I'd need to do 83k miles to recoup the cost of the new tyres...
– Nick C♦
Dec 18 at 9:06
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@NickC Of course I understand that completely. However, the statement that, "tranmissions are already optimized," is not mutually exclusive with the statement that it can be desirable to customize a transmission. As I said in my original comment, it is possible on the MX-5 to have the same gear ratio as the 5-speed model for acceleration on "B" roads while still having a taller top gear ratio by swapping out the ring and pinion.
– StockB
Dec 18 at 17:41
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@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 It's already optimized, yes. But for what? Load? Top speed? Acceleration? Fuel economy? A balance between the three? It's not unreasonable to assume one of the specialities could be improved upon further by sacrificing another. There are already cars out there with an eco setting, why not create a specialized eco gear as well?
– Mast
Dec 18 at 19:52
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As @SteveMatthews points out in the comments, it depends on the make/model of the car. To answer your question outright, though, you cannot just "add" another gear. A transmission in most cases are built as they are built. You wouldn't be able to just "add" in another gear, because there's not space to put it in there. They aren't designed to have more gears.
There might be several ways of working around it, though. If the vehicle is rear wheel drive, there's the option to add a product called the Gear Vendors under/overdrive. This attaches to the output of the existing transmission, which, when activated, can give an underdrive (like the low gear in a 4wd transfer case) to provide more torque or it can also give an overdrive, which compounds the output of the transmission to do exactly what you're suggesting. (NOTE: I have no affiliation with this product.)
Another way to partially accomplish this is by putting taller tires on the vehicle. The taller the tire, the more distance is traveled per revolution of the tire. This means at a given speed, your RPMs would be lower. Mind you, for this option, you are limited by the amount of space in the wheel well and by the available torque of the engine.
There may be another option of actually changing out the transmission itself. This is highly dependent upon the manufacturer of the vehicle and what they've created which might fit into your vehicle. Just note, most transmission's final drives sit about the same, depending upon the engine. This means, even if a different transmission has more gears, your engine would still be spinning about the same to achieve the same speed. If you have funds available, you could possibly retrofit another transmission into your vehicle, but the cost/labor/time involved would make this a non-starter for most people. It would be easier/cheaper/better to just purchase a different vehicle which gets better fuel mileage.
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Before buying taller tires please do check if its legal in your area. It's definitely illegal in mine. Even if legal, it changes handling characteristics, breaking properties, may confuse ESP, can lead to faster wear of suspension and drivetrain. In short, don't put taller tires on a vehicle with 6 gears.
– Pavel
Dec 17 at 16:37
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@Pavel - Great points and absolutely right. Please realize, I'm just giving options. It'd be up to the individual if they actually pursued them ... I take no responsibility for legality or detriment to the vehicle itself ;-) (Yes, standard disclaimer!)
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 16:58
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TL;DR: If you really must, try changing gear ratios. But what you actually want is a new car with automatic gearbox.
A 6 gear car must be a pretty modern one (15 years old or newer). Which means the car is very finely tuned and calibrated to work as a whole and is thoroughly controlled by electronics, which is more of a trouble than upgrading a pure mechanical car. You have basically one option only (you'd have one more if you wanted to upgrade from 5 gears to 6) which will most likely confuse your car, render it road illegal (subject to locale), void any warranties, make your car behave erratically under circumstances, lead to premature wear of the drivetrain and may even cause your car stop fulfilling ever more stringent exhaust regulations. That said, it sounds interesting, let's do it!
Your only workable option is to change gear ratios. You can't another gear, the upgrade will be prohibitively expensive (not only updating the gearbox housing, lever guides, linkage system and drivetrain control system, you'd have a big trouble working the stick to the seventh gear all the time, and once you lend your car to an uninitiated driver, the consequences of ensuing confusion may be fatal).
That may actually be pretty straightforward (changing the ratios, not killing your passengers!), because modern cars (European platform based ones I know tiny bit about) have standardized gearboxes for many model and engine combinations, where the only difference are the gear ratios. So you should only need to acquire a gearbox or two with the ratios you'd like, swap the cogwheels, synchronizing rings and their accessories, perhaps machine a new shaft or two, and you are good to go.
Depending on make and model, ESP and other governing systems may get confused by the relationship of engine power, engine revs and actual speed being way off, and you'd need either to disable the offending and offended systems (more probably they will disengage themselves automatically and light up a check bulb) or do a bit of tweaking in the ECU (drivetrain control unit). Modern cars tend to make it difficult, but the older your six speeder is, the easier it should be for a qualified geek to update the ECU to new values.
(On a side note, I used to think about optimizing the manual transmission in my car for a long time, so thank you for putting the idea here to get it properly answered!)
The proper solution
Most European car makers offer geared automatic gearboxes with dry or wet clutches. Perhaps you've read or heard of automatic gearboxes being inefficient, but that goes only for the traditional hydrodynamic ones. In a modern European gearbox, say Volkswagen DSG, you get 8 gear and a pair of dry clutches. The 'automatic' means that there is a robot doing the cluch and shift work for you, actually pretty nicely and comfortably. The added two (you buy one and get one free!) gears are what you are after, without compromising on efficiency (apart from the missing stick, the system is same as your manual one). The car will do all the shifting for you in a highly optimized manner, further enhancing your fuel economy and ecology.
6-speed manual transmissions have been around a lot longer than 15 years. The Corvette got it in the model year 1989 with the Camaro/Firebird getting one 4 years later.
– Bert
Dec 19 at 0:00
@Bert Of course, but I presumed one is not seeking fuel economy with cars like Corvette or Camaro.
– Pavel
Dec 19 at 8:04
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There are a number of responses on here that mention that it's infeasible to add a 7th gear to improve fuel economy, but none of them seem to actually answer the theoretical question of adding this extra gear to a manual transmission! So let's investigate this.
First you'll need to make sure that there's enough space in your transmission to fit a 7th gear (and the gear selector!). If there isn't, then you'll need to modify the transmission housing to accommodate. If the modified transmission interferes with something else in the engine bay or transmission tunnel, then you'll have to modify that to fit the new transmission. Finally, you'll have to extend the gear shafts in the transmission so that they're still properly attached to the transmission housing (hint: this probably means you'll have to machine your own gear shafts).
Then, you'll have to add the new 7th gear. Or more specifically, if you want your 7th gear to drive at 1400 RPM at a speed where 6th gear would be at 2000 RPM, then you'll need a pair of gears which has a ratio of the number of teeth that is 0.7 times that of your 6th gear ratio. So if you had a 6th gear ratio of 0.5, then you'll need new gears that have a ratio of something like 0.35. Depending on the design of your transmission, these gears might go on the counter-shaft and the output shaft. Or, you might not have a output shaft at all (sometimes the counter-shaft directly connects to the differential), so then it would just go on the input and counter shafts. But that detail probably doesn't matter because most likely...
You'll need a new gear selector fork. And selector collar, and probably synchro too. These will be placed next to the 7th gear that will be free-spinning. Oh, by the way, the corresponding 7th gear that meshes with the aforementioned one should be splined to whichever shaft it goes on. So if want your input shaft gear to be free-spinning, then the selector collar and synchro will go next to it to connect it to the input shaft, and the counter-shaft gear will be fixed to its shaft. If you're lucky, you can reuse your reverse gear selector fork and collar, which might save you some work on the next step.
That next step is to modify the gear selector linkage on the transmission, as well as on the gear stick that you'll be using in the car. Basically, you'll have to make it so that when you move the gear stick to the side, it lets you control your new 7th gear selector fork, and then when you move the gear stick forward or backward, it moves the selector fork and engages the selector collar to your 7th gear. The way this works differs with the design of the car, but it's pretty easy to understand once you have a look at how it selects the other gears, like in this example.
Once you've done all that, you'll finally have a working 7th gear in your car! But chances are, as others have mentioned you'll probably have to reprogram or adjust your ECU to accept the new gear. Again, this will differ depending on your car... in the worst case you might have to invest in a standalone ECU that will take an arbitrary number of gears! Or, you might not have to do anything at all...
But that's not the end of it, you'll need to make sure that your car is actually more fuel efficient with the new gear ratio at 100 km/h (otherwise you'll have done all the work for nothing)! The factor that determines this is your engine's brake specific fuel consumption (or BSFC for short). In fact, we even have a question on this site dedicated to explaining what that is. If it turns out your engine is less efficient at 1400 RPM, then you'll have to re-tune the whole thing to make it work. This could mean redesigning the intake for low-speed air, adjusting the cam profiles or timing, or even changing the bore to stroke ratio of your engine (which usually just means lengthening the stroke). But, I'll let you make a new question for that if it comes down to it.
And that's the basic gist of it. Not surprisingly, as the other answers have suggested, it's pretty complicated, even though manual transmissions are usually the easiest to work on. But, if you ever do decide to take on this task, make sure you let us know! I'm sure it'll be a very interesting (and perhaps slightly pointless) project! I'll also be adding links to this post to expand on relevant topics when time permits (it's taken me long enough to write this up as it is). For now, if you have no idea what any of this means, this article on HowStuffWorks explains pretty much all of it.
This is the only answer (so far) that specifically answers the OP's question. Modifying an existing transmission to add an extra gear is beyond the purview of all but bleeding edge F1 design houses. But "in order to enhance fuel economy" is a big stick in already complex mud. As Nick C rightfully opined, the overdrive 6th gear is already optimized for a reasonable balance of cruise and fuel economy. The most efficient "gear" in a manual trans is a direct coupling of the input and output - often called 4th. Only an electric motor would increase "fuel" economy with an added taller gear.
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:44
Anything else without a flat torque curve (any IC engine) would need to be redesigned to operate more efficiently at the new lower RPM. Perhaps a sterling cycle combined with a CVT, or a hybrid with an engine with a narrow efficient operating range. It's like asking "what type of credit card can I get that I can transfer all my balances to, in order to decrease my debt?"
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:49
Oh - and to pick a nit, I've never seen a manual box with an extra space on the input or output and layshaft to "add" another gearset. You'll need to add "extend housing" and "lengthen shafts" to the to-do list. You'll need a new driveshaft for RWD and AWD, and will also have to relocate the entire drivetrain forward on FWD and AWD. The half shafts still have to spine to the differential...
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 2:01
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Theoretically the idea can work (essentially this is what the 7th gear in the Porsche 991 is for) and if you could find a 7-speed gearbox with the desired ratios that fit your car you could swap them and replace the selection linkage, shifter etc to match.
However, back in the real world.. the aforementioned 991 and the Corvette Z06 are the only cars I know of with a 7-speed manual box and the chances of that fitting into anything else are slim at best. And even if it does fit it's not going to be cheap - thousands upon thousands of dollars.
So your chances of actually saving any money through improved economy are negligible - and your chances of doing so versus trading in for a more efficient car are basically non-existent.
As to why 7-speed 'boxes specifically are so rare, well that's a little more complicated - the concept of a cruising or "overdrive" gear for economy purposes is not new and many 5/6 speed gearboxes over the years have done just that. In fact it's highly likely that your car does that already!
Specifically talking about adding a 7th gear though - well aside from the obvious factors of increased complexity, weight and cost there are issues elsewhere. 7 gears doesn't make for an easy to use H-pattern selector, and people have grumbled about this very issue in the Porsche.
Additionally there is the engine's efficiency to worry about - an internal combustion engine is always operating at it's most efficient at peak torque - which is not the same as the most fuel efficiency in the car! However they are related - particularly in petrol engines efficiency of the engine drops off massively with lower RPM and past a certain point the inefficiency in the use of the fuel by the engine will overtake the economy gains from the lower RPM.
A Corvette Z06 gear box could probably be made to fit any GM car using a modern LS series V8
– Dave Smith
Dec 18 at 11:41
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@DaveSmith You may well be right.. to be honest given it's essentially based off the ZF 7DT Dual-clutch box it may well fit more things then I'd originally anticipated - interestingly I believe it's available in the 2018 AM Vantage as well, suggesting it can be fitted with the Merc-AMG M177 engine as well. Still, such a conversion would be frighteningly expensive!
– motosubatsu
Dec 18 at 11:52
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Short Answer: Adding a 7th to a 6 spd trans is not how you want to tackle the problem. It would extremely expensive and require a lot of fabrication. It sounds easy but its not.
However, you can achieve your goals through a different methods.
1) Swap to a different 6 spd transmission. Many automakers use the same drivetrains in various cars with minor differences. One of these differences is usually the gearing in the transmission. Volkswagen does this with the GTI/Beetle/Jetta GLI. GTI has the most aggressive gearing (lowest mpg), where as the GLI and Beetle have different gearing, aimed more towards mpg (and so that they don't compete with the performance of the GTI). One could simply swap the GTI trans out for the GLI or Beetle Trans.
You can also look into older generations of the same car. Sometimes the transmissions are compatible and will offer different gearing
2) You could swap out the gears or the tallest for improved fuel economy. This could be done with VW GTI/GLI/Beetle example I gave above. Would yield the same results.
3) Taller tires would be the easiest way to reduce the rpms at highways speeds. However, you would slightly raise your car as well, which is counterproductive when mpg is our goal.
There are also many other ways to improve your mpg, such as Low Rolling Resistance Tires (LRR), lightweight wheels, aerodynamic mods, keeping up with maintenance, etc
There is nothing wrong with want some extra mpgs out of current car. I suggest you check ecomodder where these topics are discussed in depth.
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Instead of adding more gears, have you considered stretching the gearing by using slighty larger wheels/tyres?
This would move the top gear to slightly lower RPM at the same road speed, but will make all the gears a little taller so it will be easier to stall in first gear when moving off.
This will also affect your reverse gear in the same way.
Another point - if your spare wheel is full sized then it will be subtly smaller than the four on the car. If you have a space saver it will be a lot smaller, resulting in weirder handling and tyre wear.
If you tow a bit, this might not be a good idea. The car will be slightly taller too, slightly increasing body roll in corners.
Also, your speedo and odometer will now under-read by a few percent. This can be fixed with a replacement driver on the speedo cable, which is scaled for your wheels.
Finally your location may require recertifying the vehicle for a tyre size change. Your insurance company will need to be informed of the change too.
- Kind of not an answer, but it does address the question and gets the effective same result.
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If your goal (as stated) is to lower engine RPM at a given speed in top gear, then there are several ways to do that without adding an extra gear shiftable to the transmission.
The simplest way would be to simply use larger tires, possibly on a larger wheel. Another answer that suggests this was downvoted but it really is a cheap, effective method. However, you really are looking at a few percent increase at best unless you radically alter the wheel well or raise the vehicle. Note that this method will affect your speedometer and odometer calibration.
Given a rear-wheel drive vehicle, a more invasive method would be to change the differential gear ratio. On Ford cars especially, this is an easy swap. Many competition-oriented Fords do the opposite: they swap in a lower-geared differential. Like the tire swap, this method will affect your speedometer and odometer calibration.
Going up the complexity ladder, if your transmission has a locking torque converter available, perhaps for a different model, you could try to source that. It's a long shot, but some vehicles, i.e. the Crown Victory Police Package, offered locking differentials whereas the same engine/transmission combo in the Grand Marque did not. This would not require recalibrating the speedo and odometers.
Lastly, if you are willing to rebuild the transmission, then you could ask the builder if a taller top gear is available. If the tranny was used for many models and many model years, then it is certainly possible. This method would also not require recalibrating the speedometer and odometers.
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I've done this on more than one occasion.
Change the rear axle/differential/final drive
This is a gear with a ratio of typically 2.73:1 through 5.00:1. It is located in either
- your live rear axle, if that is one big assembly
- your rear gearbox, if your car has indepenent rear suspension (quartershafts coming out of the central pig)
- the bottom of your front-wheel-drive transmission, which will involve tearing down the transmission to access. In this case, a gear ratio change might not be practicable or possible.
You aren't going to get a 30% ratio bump this way. But you won't have any trouble getting around a 10% bump, and I have serious doubts that you would want more. The people* who designed your car are not morons.
I've always driven more simple cars, so the rear end swaps I've done have always involved lugging a live rear axle through a junkyard after determining its ratio by spinning a wheel.
Change the transmission
This one is a little trickier because it involves lots and lots of really geeky research, especially if the car is post-1996. Also, this only works because it's a manual; automatics are very tightly integrated with the powertrain computer and would be a staggering challenge.
You need to search for a transmission that has all the features your car needs to physically fit
- the engine
- the frame
- the halfshafts
- the electrical controls needed by the OBD system, starter interlock, reverse switch, etc.
This requires a craft of skill that isn't necessarily anything like run-of-the-mill hotrodding. Pretty much, you will be locked into one vendor, and it will just be a matter of figuring out which junkyard pick has the transmission you need.
Getting the electricals right is critical, both so the car works (reverse lights come on), and so it'll pass smog in the 12 states and not blow SES ligts. It's important not to just "put up with" the SES light being on 24x7, you want the SES light cleared so it can warn you about a new, genuine problem.
Add an external overdrive unit
This is an obsolete method and only works on RWD cars, so I will just touch on it.
Change the engine
Really. Smog legal and all. Broadly, you are allowed to put any engine in your car where service class is yours or better (car engine in truck, ok) and engine year >= car year.
Realistically in this day and age with OBDII and smog, that involves changing the entire powertrain, cutting at the fuel line, halfshaft, battery terminals and radiator hoses. I've done this too across wildly different model lines, and it's a PitA/ labor of love (you couldn't possibly pay someone to do this exceptionally tedious and research-driven work). Even though I did not touch the powertrain package at all, there were still like 20 circuits that "came through the firewall" and every one had to be engineered to match the vehicle.
Back when the Ford Festiva/Aspire was a thing, it was common for Miata owners to swap in the Festiva engine (or simply the 2V heads) for a significant bump in fuel economy, at the expense of power, of course. Hotrodders who thought a Festiva was a good place to start a performance build were all too happy to take those 4V heads off them. In that case the transmissions were electrically compatible, so the harness stayed with the engine.
Done competently, an engine change is smog legal in California. (In the Miata/Festiva case, both directions, heck, you can out a 'Vette LS1 in a Festiva and pass smog. Really, smog quotas are by year, not vehicle weight.)
* they're in Detroit. Really. All the world's makers have engineering departments in the Detroit suburbs, including makers who don't even build for the North American market. Both for the talent pool and the prototyping capability, and all the world's suppliers also have offices there. It's the Davos of cars.
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This is something that used to be quite common - in the '60s and '70s, people would add an electronic (or manual) overdrive to the back of the 4-speed gearbox to give an extra gear (usually two, as it would operate in both 3rd and 4th, although on many cars the difference between overdrive-3rd and direct-4th was very little).
It's unlikely to be possible on many, if any, modern cars however, for several reasons:
Most modern cars are front-wheel-drive, so there's no output shaft on the gearbox, with the drive going directly into the differential (although some early 5-speed FWD boxes were simply the previous 4-speed with an extra bit bolted to the side to have the same effect)
There's no extra space in a modern engine bay to add the extra components.
The electronics integral to modern car engines would get very confused
It wouldn't be worth it anyway, as modern gearboxes are designed to more closely reflect the characteristics of the engine, so the top gear will be set to have the engine at optimum RPM at a typical cruising speed - that's much easier to do with 6 gears than it used to be with only 4. The use of overdrives I mention above largely coincided with the proliferation of motorways and other faster roads, so allowed the higher cruising speeds necessary for those roads.
28
Your last point is very salient: transmissions are already optimized.
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 15:42
2
Even if they weren't optimized it wouldn't be worth it. Would it really save you thousands of dollars in gasoline?
– Mazura
Dec 17 at 22:13
2
@mckenzm even that's not worth it - on my car, an extra 20 miles per tank would save me 0.6p/mile. At ~£100 per tyre, I'd need to do 83k miles to recoup the cost of the new tyres...
– Nick C♦
Dec 18 at 9:06
4
@NickC Of course I understand that completely. However, the statement that, "tranmissions are already optimized," is not mutually exclusive with the statement that it can be desirable to customize a transmission. As I said in my original comment, it is possible on the MX-5 to have the same gear ratio as the 5-speed model for acceleration on "B" roads while still having a taller top gear ratio by swapping out the ring and pinion.
– StockB
Dec 18 at 17:41
1
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 It's already optimized, yes. But for what? Load? Top speed? Acceleration? Fuel economy? A balance between the three? It's not unreasonable to assume one of the specialities could be improved upon further by sacrificing another. There are already cars out there with an eco setting, why not create a specialized eco gear as well?
– Mast
Dec 18 at 19:52
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show 9 more comments
This is something that used to be quite common - in the '60s and '70s, people would add an electronic (or manual) overdrive to the back of the 4-speed gearbox to give an extra gear (usually two, as it would operate in both 3rd and 4th, although on many cars the difference between overdrive-3rd and direct-4th was very little).
It's unlikely to be possible on many, if any, modern cars however, for several reasons:
Most modern cars are front-wheel-drive, so there's no output shaft on the gearbox, with the drive going directly into the differential (although some early 5-speed FWD boxes were simply the previous 4-speed with an extra bit bolted to the side to have the same effect)
There's no extra space in a modern engine bay to add the extra components.
The electronics integral to modern car engines would get very confused
It wouldn't be worth it anyway, as modern gearboxes are designed to more closely reflect the characteristics of the engine, so the top gear will be set to have the engine at optimum RPM at a typical cruising speed - that's much easier to do with 6 gears than it used to be with only 4. The use of overdrives I mention above largely coincided with the proliferation of motorways and other faster roads, so allowed the higher cruising speeds necessary for those roads.
28
Your last point is very salient: transmissions are already optimized.
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 15:42
2
Even if they weren't optimized it wouldn't be worth it. Would it really save you thousands of dollars in gasoline?
– Mazura
Dec 17 at 22:13
2
@mckenzm even that's not worth it - on my car, an extra 20 miles per tank would save me 0.6p/mile. At ~£100 per tyre, I'd need to do 83k miles to recoup the cost of the new tyres...
– Nick C♦
Dec 18 at 9:06
4
@NickC Of course I understand that completely. However, the statement that, "tranmissions are already optimized," is not mutually exclusive with the statement that it can be desirable to customize a transmission. As I said in my original comment, it is possible on the MX-5 to have the same gear ratio as the 5-speed model for acceleration on "B" roads while still having a taller top gear ratio by swapping out the ring and pinion.
– StockB
Dec 18 at 17:41
1
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 It's already optimized, yes. But for what? Load? Top speed? Acceleration? Fuel economy? A balance between the three? It's not unreasonable to assume one of the specialities could be improved upon further by sacrificing another. There are already cars out there with an eco setting, why not create a specialized eco gear as well?
– Mast
Dec 18 at 19:52
|
show 9 more comments
This is something that used to be quite common - in the '60s and '70s, people would add an electronic (or manual) overdrive to the back of the 4-speed gearbox to give an extra gear (usually two, as it would operate in both 3rd and 4th, although on many cars the difference between overdrive-3rd and direct-4th was very little).
It's unlikely to be possible on many, if any, modern cars however, for several reasons:
Most modern cars are front-wheel-drive, so there's no output shaft on the gearbox, with the drive going directly into the differential (although some early 5-speed FWD boxes were simply the previous 4-speed with an extra bit bolted to the side to have the same effect)
There's no extra space in a modern engine bay to add the extra components.
The electronics integral to modern car engines would get very confused
It wouldn't be worth it anyway, as modern gearboxes are designed to more closely reflect the characteristics of the engine, so the top gear will be set to have the engine at optimum RPM at a typical cruising speed - that's much easier to do with 6 gears than it used to be with only 4. The use of overdrives I mention above largely coincided with the proliferation of motorways and other faster roads, so allowed the higher cruising speeds necessary for those roads.
This is something that used to be quite common - in the '60s and '70s, people would add an electronic (or manual) overdrive to the back of the 4-speed gearbox to give an extra gear (usually two, as it would operate in both 3rd and 4th, although on many cars the difference between overdrive-3rd and direct-4th was very little).
It's unlikely to be possible on many, if any, modern cars however, for several reasons:
Most modern cars are front-wheel-drive, so there's no output shaft on the gearbox, with the drive going directly into the differential (although some early 5-speed FWD boxes were simply the previous 4-speed with an extra bit bolted to the side to have the same effect)
There's no extra space in a modern engine bay to add the extra components.
The electronics integral to modern car engines would get very confused
It wouldn't be worth it anyway, as modern gearboxes are designed to more closely reflect the characteristics of the engine, so the top gear will be set to have the engine at optimum RPM at a typical cruising speed - that's much easier to do with 6 gears than it used to be with only 4. The use of overdrives I mention above largely coincided with the proliferation of motorways and other faster roads, so allowed the higher cruising speeds necessary for those roads.
answered Dec 17 at 15:19
Nick C♦
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Your last point is very salient: transmissions are already optimized.
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 15:42
2
Even if they weren't optimized it wouldn't be worth it. Would it really save you thousands of dollars in gasoline?
– Mazura
Dec 17 at 22:13
2
@mckenzm even that's not worth it - on my car, an extra 20 miles per tank would save me 0.6p/mile. At ~£100 per tyre, I'd need to do 83k miles to recoup the cost of the new tyres...
– Nick C♦
Dec 18 at 9:06
4
@NickC Of course I understand that completely. However, the statement that, "tranmissions are already optimized," is not mutually exclusive with the statement that it can be desirable to customize a transmission. As I said in my original comment, it is possible on the MX-5 to have the same gear ratio as the 5-speed model for acceleration on "B" roads while still having a taller top gear ratio by swapping out the ring and pinion.
– StockB
Dec 18 at 17:41
1
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 It's already optimized, yes. But for what? Load? Top speed? Acceleration? Fuel economy? A balance between the three? It's not unreasonable to assume one of the specialities could be improved upon further by sacrificing another. There are already cars out there with an eco setting, why not create a specialized eco gear as well?
– Mast
Dec 18 at 19:52
|
show 9 more comments
28
Your last point is very salient: transmissions are already optimized.
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 15:42
2
Even if they weren't optimized it wouldn't be worth it. Would it really save you thousands of dollars in gasoline?
– Mazura
Dec 17 at 22:13
2
@mckenzm even that's not worth it - on my car, an extra 20 miles per tank would save me 0.6p/mile. At ~£100 per tyre, I'd need to do 83k miles to recoup the cost of the new tyres...
– Nick C♦
Dec 18 at 9:06
4
@NickC Of course I understand that completely. However, the statement that, "tranmissions are already optimized," is not mutually exclusive with the statement that it can be desirable to customize a transmission. As I said in my original comment, it is possible on the MX-5 to have the same gear ratio as the 5-speed model for acceleration on "B" roads while still having a taller top gear ratio by swapping out the ring and pinion.
– StockB
Dec 18 at 17:41
1
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 It's already optimized, yes. But for what? Load? Top speed? Acceleration? Fuel economy? A balance between the three? It's not unreasonable to assume one of the specialities could be improved upon further by sacrificing another. There are already cars out there with an eco setting, why not create a specialized eco gear as well?
– Mast
Dec 18 at 19:52
28
28
Your last point is very salient: transmissions are already optimized.
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 15:42
Your last point is very salient: transmissions are already optimized.
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 15:42
2
2
Even if they weren't optimized it wouldn't be worth it. Would it really save you thousands of dollars in gasoline?
– Mazura
Dec 17 at 22:13
Even if they weren't optimized it wouldn't be worth it. Would it really save you thousands of dollars in gasoline?
– Mazura
Dec 17 at 22:13
2
2
@mckenzm even that's not worth it - on my car, an extra 20 miles per tank would save me 0.6p/mile. At ~£100 per tyre, I'd need to do 83k miles to recoup the cost of the new tyres...
– Nick C♦
Dec 18 at 9:06
@mckenzm even that's not worth it - on my car, an extra 20 miles per tank would save me 0.6p/mile. At ~£100 per tyre, I'd need to do 83k miles to recoup the cost of the new tyres...
– Nick C♦
Dec 18 at 9:06
4
4
@NickC Of course I understand that completely. However, the statement that, "tranmissions are already optimized," is not mutually exclusive with the statement that it can be desirable to customize a transmission. As I said in my original comment, it is possible on the MX-5 to have the same gear ratio as the 5-speed model for acceleration on "B" roads while still having a taller top gear ratio by swapping out the ring and pinion.
– StockB
Dec 18 at 17:41
@NickC Of course I understand that completely. However, the statement that, "tranmissions are already optimized," is not mutually exclusive with the statement that it can be desirable to customize a transmission. As I said in my original comment, it is possible on the MX-5 to have the same gear ratio as the 5-speed model for acceleration on "B" roads while still having a taller top gear ratio by swapping out the ring and pinion.
– StockB
Dec 18 at 17:41
1
1
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 It's already optimized, yes. But for what? Load? Top speed? Acceleration? Fuel economy? A balance between the three? It's not unreasonable to assume one of the specialities could be improved upon further by sacrificing another. There are already cars out there with an eco setting, why not create a specialized eco gear as well?
– Mast
Dec 18 at 19:52
@Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2 It's already optimized, yes. But for what? Load? Top speed? Acceleration? Fuel economy? A balance between the three? It's not unreasonable to assume one of the specialities could be improved upon further by sacrificing another. There are already cars out there with an eco setting, why not create a specialized eco gear as well?
– Mast
Dec 18 at 19:52
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As @SteveMatthews points out in the comments, it depends on the make/model of the car. To answer your question outright, though, you cannot just "add" another gear. A transmission in most cases are built as they are built. You wouldn't be able to just "add" in another gear, because there's not space to put it in there. They aren't designed to have more gears.
There might be several ways of working around it, though. If the vehicle is rear wheel drive, there's the option to add a product called the Gear Vendors under/overdrive. This attaches to the output of the existing transmission, which, when activated, can give an underdrive (like the low gear in a 4wd transfer case) to provide more torque or it can also give an overdrive, which compounds the output of the transmission to do exactly what you're suggesting. (NOTE: I have no affiliation with this product.)
Another way to partially accomplish this is by putting taller tires on the vehicle. The taller the tire, the more distance is traveled per revolution of the tire. This means at a given speed, your RPMs would be lower. Mind you, for this option, you are limited by the amount of space in the wheel well and by the available torque of the engine.
There may be another option of actually changing out the transmission itself. This is highly dependent upon the manufacturer of the vehicle and what they've created which might fit into your vehicle. Just note, most transmission's final drives sit about the same, depending upon the engine. This means, even if a different transmission has more gears, your engine would still be spinning about the same to achieve the same speed. If you have funds available, you could possibly retrofit another transmission into your vehicle, but the cost/labor/time involved would make this a non-starter for most people. It would be easier/cheaper/better to just purchase a different vehicle which gets better fuel mileage.
4
Before buying taller tires please do check if its legal in your area. It's definitely illegal in mine. Even if legal, it changes handling characteristics, breaking properties, may confuse ESP, can lead to faster wear of suspension and drivetrain. In short, don't put taller tires on a vehicle with 6 gears.
– Pavel
Dec 17 at 16:37
2
@Pavel - Great points and absolutely right. Please realize, I'm just giving options. It'd be up to the individual if they actually pursued them ... I take no responsibility for legality or detriment to the vehicle itself ;-) (Yes, standard disclaimer!)
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 16:58
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As @SteveMatthews points out in the comments, it depends on the make/model of the car. To answer your question outright, though, you cannot just "add" another gear. A transmission in most cases are built as they are built. You wouldn't be able to just "add" in another gear, because there's not space to put it in there. They aren't designed to have more gears.
There might be several ways of working around it, though. If the vehicle is rear wheel drive, there's the option to add a product called the Gear Vendors under/overdrive. This attaches to the output of the existing transmission, which, when activated, can give an underdrive (like the low gear in a 4wd transfer case) to provide more torque or it can also give an overdrive, which compounds the output of the transmission to do exactly what you're suggesting. (NOTE: I have no affiliation with this product.)
Another way to partially accomplish this is by putting taller tires on the vehicle. The taller the tire, the more distance is traveled per revolution of the tire. This means at a given speed, your RPMs would be lower. Mind you, for this option, you are limited by the amount of space in the wheel well and by the available torque of the engine.
There may be another option of actually changing out the transmission itself. This is highly dependent upon the manufacturer of the vehicle and what they've created which might fit into your vehicle. Just note, most transmission's final drives sit about the same, depending upon the engine. This means, even if a different transmission has more gears, your engine would still be spinning about the same to achieve the same speed. If you have funds available, you could possibly retrofit another transmission into your vehicle, but the cost/labor/time involved would make this a non-starter for most people. It would be easier/cheaper/better to just purchase a different vehicle which gets better fuel mileage.
4
Before buying taller tires please do check if its legal in your area. It's definitely illegal in mine. Even if legal, it changes handling characteristics, breaking properties, may confuse ESP, can lead to faster wear of suspension and drivetrain. In short, don't put taller tires on a vehicle with 6 gears.
– Pavel
Dec 17 at 16:37
2
@Pavel - Great points and absolutely right. Please realize, I'm just giving options. It'd be up to the individual if they actually pursued them ... I take no responsibility for legality or detriment to the vehicle itself ;-) (Yes, standard disclaimer!)
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 16:58
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As @SteveMatthews points out in the comments, it depends on the make/model of the car. To answer your question outright, though, you cannot just "add" another gear. A transmission in most cases are built as they are built. You wouldn't be able to just "add" in another gear, because there's not space to put it in there. They aren't designed to have more gears.
There might be several ways of working around it, though. If the vehicle is rear wheel drive, there's the option to add a product called the Gear Vendors under/overdrive. This attaches to the output of the existing transmission, which, when activated, can give an underdrive (like the low gear in a 4wd transfer case) to provide more torque or it can also give an overdrive, which compounds the output of the transmission to do exactly what you're suggesting. (NOTE: I have no affiliation with this product.)
Another way to partially accomplish this is by putting taller tires on the vehicle. The taller the tire, the more distance is traveled per revolution of the tire. This means at a given speed, your RPMs would be lower. Mind you, for this option, you are limited by the amount of space in the wheel well and by the available torque of the engine.
There may be another option of actually changing out the transmission itself. This is highly dependent upon the manufacturer of the vehicle and what they've created which might fit into your vehicle. Just note, most transmission's final drives sit about the same, depending upon the engine. This means, even if a different transmission has more gears, your engine would still be spinning about the same to achieve the same speed. If you have funds available, you could possibly retrofit another transmission into your vehicle, but the cost/labor/time involved would make this a non-starter for most people. It would be easier/cheaper/better to just purchase a different vehicle which gets better fuel mileage.
As @SteveMatthews points out in the comments, it depends on the make/model of the car. To answer your question outright, though, you cannot just "add" another gear. A transmission in most cases are built as they are built. You wouldn't be able to just "add" in another gear, because there's not space to put it in there. They aren't designed to have more gears.
There might be several ways of working around it, though. If the vehicle is rear wheel drive, there's the option to add a product called the Gear Vendors under/overdrive. This attaches to the output of the existing transmission, which, when activated, can give an underdrive (like the low gear in a 4wd transfer case) to provide more torque or it can also give an overdrive, which compounds the output of the transmission to do exactly what you're suggesting. (NOTE: I have no affiliation with this product.)
Another way to partially accomplish this is by putting taller tires on the vehicle. The taller the tire, the more distance is traveled per revolution of the tire. This means at a given speed, your RPMs would be lower. Mind you, for this option, you are limited by the amount of space in the wheel well and by the available torque of the engine.
There may be another option of actually changing out the transmission itself. This is highly dependent upon the manufacturer of the vehicle and what they've created which might fit into your vehicle. Just note, most transmission's final drives sit about the same, depending upon the engine. This means, even if a different transmission has more gears, your engine would still be spinning about the same to achieve the same speed. If you have funds available, you could possibly retrofit another transmission into your vehicle, but the cost/labor/time involved would make this a non-starter for most people. It would be easier/cheaper/better to just purchase a different vehicle which gets better fuel mileage.
answered Dec 17 at 15:17
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Before buying taller tires please do check if its legal in your area. It's definitely illegal in mine. Even if legal, it changes handling characteristics, breaking properties, may confuse ESP, can lead to faster wear of suspension and drivetrain. In short, don't put taller tires on a vehicle with 6 gears.
– Pavel
Dec 17 at 16:37
2
@Pavel - Great points and absolutely right. Please realize, I'm just giving options. It'd be up to the individual if they actually pursued them ... I take no responsibility for legality or detriment to the vehicle itself ;-) (Yes, standard disclaimer!)
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 16:58
add a comment |
4
Before buying taller tires please do check if its legal in your area. It's definitely illegal in mine. Even if legal, it changes handling characteristics, breaking properties, may confuse ESP, can lead to faster wear of suspension and drivetrain. In short, don't put taller tires on a vehicle with 6 gears.
– Pavel
Dec 17 at 16:37
2
@Pavel - Great points and absolutely right. Please realize, I'm just giving options. It'd be up to the individual if they actually pursued them ... I take no responsibility for legality or detriment to the vehicle itself ;-) (Yes, standard disclaimer!)
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 16:58
4
4
Before buying taller tires please do check if its legal in your area. It's definitely illegal in mine. Even if legal, it changes handling characteristics, breaking properties, may confuse ESP, can lead to faster wear of suspension and drivetrain. In short, don't put taller tires on a vehicle with 6 gears.
– Pavel
Dec 17 at 16:37
Before buying taller tires please do check if its legal in your area. It's definitely illegal in mine. Even if legal, it changes handling characteristics, breaking properties, may confuse ESP, can lead to faster wear of suspension and drivetrain. In short, don't put taller tires on a vehicle with 6 gears.
– Pavel
Dec 17 at 16:37
2
2
@Pavel - Great points and absolutely right. Please realize, I'm just giving options. It'd be up to the individual if they actually pursued them ... I take no responsibility for legality or detriment to the vehicle itself ;-) (Yes, standard disclaimer!)
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 16:58
@Pavel - Great points and absolutely right. Please realize, I'm just giving options. It'd be up to the individual if they actually pursued them ... I take no responsibility for legality or detriment to the vehicle itself ;-) (Yes, standard disclaimer!)
– Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2♦
Dec 17 at 16:58
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TL;DR: If you really must, try changing gear ratios. But what you actually want is a new car with automatic gearbox.
A 6 gear car must be a pretty modern one (15 years old or newer). Which means the car is very finely tuned and calibrated to work as a whole and is thoroughly controlled by electronics, which is more of a trouble than upgrading a pure mechanical car. You have basically one option only (you'd have one more if you wanted to upgrade from 5 gears to 6) which will most likely confuse your car, render it road illegal (subject to locale), void any warranties, make your car behave erratically under circumstances, lead to premature wear of the drivetrain and may even cause your car stop fulfilling ever more stringent exhaust regulations. That said, it sounds interesting, let's do it!
Your only workable option is to change gear ratios. You can't another gear, the upgrade will be prohibitively expensive (not only updating the gearbox housing, lever guides, linkage system and drivetrain control system, you'd have a big trouble working the stick to the seventh gear all the time, and once you lend your car to an uninitiated driver, the consequences of ensuing confusion may be fatal).
That may actually be pretty straightforward (changing the ratios, not killing your passengers!), because modern cars (European platform based ones I know tiny bit about) have standardized gearboxes for many model and engine combinations, where the only difference are the gear ratios. So you should only need to acquire a gearbox or two with the ratios you'd like, swap the cogwheels, synchronizing rings and their accessories, perhaps machine a new shaft or two, and you are good to go.
Depending on make and model, ESP and other governing systems may get confused by the relationship of engine power, engine revs and actual speed being way off, and you'd need either to disable the offending and offended systems (more probably they will disengage themselves automatically and light up a check bulb) or do a bit of tweaking in the ECU (drivetrain control unit). Modern cars tend to make it difficult, but the older your six speeder is, the easier it should be for a qualified geek to update the ECU to new values.
(On a side note, I used to think about optimizing the manual transmission in my car for a long time, so thank you for putting the idea here to get it properly answered!)
The proper solution
Most European car makers offer geared automatic gearboxes with dry or wet clutches. Perhaps you've read or heard of automatic gearboxes being inefficient, but that goes only for the traditional hydrodynamic ones. In a modern European gearbox, say Volkswagen DSG, you get 8 gear and a pair of dry clutches. The 'automatic' means that there is a robot doing the cluch and shift work for you, actually pretty nicely and comfortably. The added two (you buy one and get one free!) gears are what you are after, without compromising on efficiency (apart from the missing stick, the system is same as your manual one). The car will do all the shifting for you in a highly optimized manner, further enhancing your fuel economy and ecology.
6-speed manual transmissions have been around a lot longer than 15 years. The Corvette got it in the model year 1989 with the Camaro/Firebird getting one 4 years later.
– Bert
Dec 19 at 0:00
@Bert Of course, but I presumed one is not seeking fuel economy with cars like Corvette or Camaro.
– Pavel
Dec 19 at 8:04
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TL;DR: If you really must, try changing gear ratios. But what you actually want is a new car with automatic gearbox.
A 6 gear car must be a pretty modern one (15 years old or newer). Which means the car is very finely tuned and calibrated to work as a whole and is thoroughly controlled by electronics, which is more of a trouble than upgrading a pure mechanical car. You have basically one option only (you'd have one more if you wanted to upgrade from 5 gears to 6) which will most likely confuse your car, render it road illegal (subject to locale), void any warranties, make your car behave erratically under circumstances, lead to premature wear of the drivetrain and may even cause your car stop fulfilling ever more stringent exhaust regulations. That said, it sounds interesting, let's do it!
Your only workable option is to change gear ratios. You can't another gear, the upgrade will be prohibitively expensive (not only updating the gearbox housing, lever guides, linkage system and drivetrain control system, you'd have a big trouble working the stick to the seventh gear all the time, and once you lend your car to an uninitiated driver, the consequences of ensuing confusion may be fatal).
That may actually be pretty straightforward (changing the ratios, not killing your passengers!), because modern cars (European platform based ones I know tiny bit about) have standardized gearboxes for many model and engine combinations, where the only difference are the gear ratios. So you should only need to acquire a gearbox or two with the ratios you'd like, swap the cogwheels, synchronizing rings and their accessories, perhaps machine a new shaft or two, and you are good to go.
Depending on make and model, ESP and other governing systems may get confused by the relationship of engine power, engine revs and actual speed being way off, and you'd need either to disable the offending and offended systems (more probably they will disengage themselves automatically and light up a check bulb) or do a bit of tweaking in the ECU (drivetrain control unit). Modern cars tend to make it difficult, but the older your six speeder is, the easier it should be for a qualified geek to update the ECU to new values.
(On a side note, I used to think about optimizing the manual transmission in my car for a long time, so thank you for putting the idea here to get it properly answered!)
The proper solution
Most European car makers offer geared automatic gearboxes with dry or wet clutches. Perhaps you've read or heard of automatic gearboxes being inefficient, but that goes only for the traditional hydrodynamic ones. In a modern European gearbox, say Volkswagen DSG, you get 8 gear and a pair of dry clutches. The 'automatic' means that there is a robot doing the cluch and shift work for you, actually pretty nicely and comfortably. The added two (you buy one and get one free!) gears are what you are after, without compromising on efficiency (apart from the missing stick, the system is same as your manual one). The car will do all the shifting for you in a highly optimized manner, further enhancing your fuel economy and ecology.
6-speed manual transmissions have been around a lot longer than 15 years. The Corvette got it in the model year 1989 with the Camaro/Firebird getting one 4 years later.
– Bert
Dec 19 at 0:00
@Bert Of course, but I presumed one is not seeking fuel economy with cars like Corvette or Camaro.
– Pavel
Dec 19 at 8:04
add a comment |
TL;DR: If you really must, try changing gear ratios. But what you actually want is a new car with automatic gearbox.
A 6 gear car must be a pretty modern one (15 years old or newer). Which means the car is very finely tuned and calibrated to work as a whole and is thoroughly controlled by electronics, which is more of a trouble than upgrading a pure mechanical car. You have basically one option only (you'd have one more if you wanted to upgrade from 5 gears to 6) which will most likely confuse your car, render it road illegal (subject to locale), void any warranties, make your car behave erratically under circumstances, lead to premature wear of the drivetrain and may even cause your car stop fulfilling ever more stringent exhaust regulations. That said, it sounds interesting, let's do it!
Your only workable option is to change gear ratios. You can't another gear, the upgrade will be prohibitively expensive (not only updating the gearbox housing, lever guides, linkage system and drivetrain control system, you'd have a big trouble working the stick to the seventh gear all the time, and once you lend your car to an uninitiated driver, the consequences of ensuing confusion may be fatal).
That may actually be pretty straightforward (changing the ratios, not killing your passengers!), because modern cars (European platform based ones I know tiny bit about) have standardized gearboxes for many model and engine combinations, where the only difference are the gear ratios. So you should only need to acquire a gearbox or two with the ratios you'd like, swap the cogwheels, synchronizing rings and their accessories, perhaps machine a new shaft or two, and you are good to go.
Depending on make and model, ESP and other governing systems may get confused by the relationship of engine power, engine revs and actual speed being way off, and you'd need either to disable the offending and offended systems (more probably they will disengage themselves automatically and light up a check bulb) or do a bit of tweaking in the ECU (drivetrain control unit). Modern cars tend to make it difficult, but the older your six speeder is, the easier it should be for a qualified geek to update the ECU to new values.
(On a side note, I used to think about optimizing the manual transmission in my car for a long time, so thank you for putting the idea here to get it properly answered!)
The proper solution
Most European car makers offer geared automatic gearboxes with dry or wet clutches. Perhaps you've read or heard of automatic gearboxes being inefficient, but that goes only for the traditional hydrodynamic ones. In a modern European gearbox, say Volkswagen DSG, you get 8 gear and a pair of dry clutches. The 'automatic' means that there is a robot doing the cluch and shift work for you, actually pretty nicely and comfortably. The added two (you buy one and get one free!) gears are what you are after, without compromising on efficiency (apart from the missing stick, the system is same as your manual one). The car will do all the shifting for you in a highly optimized manner, further enhancing your fuel economy and ecology.
TL;DR: If you really must, try changing gear ratios. But what you actually want is a new car with automatic gearbox.
A 6 gear car must be a pretty modern one (15 years old or newer). Which means the car is very finely tuned and calibrated to work as a whole and is thoroughly controlled by electronics, which is more of a trouble than upgrading a pure mechanical car. You have basically one option only (you'd have one more if you wanted to upgrade from 5 gears to 6) which will most likely confuse your car, render it road illegal (subject to locale), void any warranties, make your car behave erratically under circumstances, lead to premature wear of the drivetrain and may even cause your car stop fulfilling ever more stringent exhaust regulations. That said, it sounds interesting, let's do it!
Your only workable option is to change gear ratios. You can't another gear, the upgrade will be prohibitively expensive (not only updating the gearbox housing, lever guides, linkage system and drivetrain control system, you'd have a big trouble working the stick to the seventh gear all the time, and once you lend your car to an uninitiated driver, the consequences of ensuing confusion may be fatal).
That may actually be pretty straightforward (changing the ratios, not killing your passengers!), because modern cars (European platform based ones I know tiny bit about) have standardized gearboxes for many model and engine combinations, where the only difference are the gear ratios. So you should only need to acquire a gearbox or two with the ratios you'd like, swap the cogwheels, synchronizing rings and their accessories, perhaps machine a new shaft or two, and you are good to go.
Depending on make and model, ESP and other governing systems may get confused by the relationship of engine power, engine revs and actual speed being way off, and you'd need either to disable the offending and offended systems (more probably they will disengage themselves automatically and light up a check bulb) or do a bit of tweaking in the ECU (drivetrain control unit). Modern cars tend to make it difficult, but the older your six speeder is, the easier it should be for a qualified geek to update the ECU to new values.
(On a side note, I used to think about optimizing the manual transmission in my car for a long time, so thank you for putting the idea here to get it properly answered!)
The proper solution
Most European car makers offer geared automatic gearboxes with dry or wet clutches. Perhaps you've read or heard of automatic gearboxes being inefficient, but that goes only for the traditional hydrodynamic ones. In a modern European gearbox, say Volkswagen DSG, you get 8 gear and a pair of dry clutches. The 'automatic' means that there is a robot doing the cluch and shift work for you, actually pretty nicely and comfortably. The added two (you buy one and get one free!) gears are what you are after, without compromising on efficiency (apart from the missing stick, the system is same as your manual one). The car will do all the shifting for you in a highly optimized manner, further enhancing your fuel economy and ecology.
answered Dec 17 at 17:01
Pavel
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6-speed manual transmissions have been around a lot longer than 15 years. The Corvette got it in the model year 1989 with the Camaro/Firebird getting one 4 years later.
– Bert
Dec 19 at 0:00
@Bert Of course, but I presumed one is not seeking fuel economy with cars like Corvette or Camaro.
– Pavel
Dec 19 at 8:04
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6-speed manual transmissions have been around a lot longer than 15 years. The Corvette got it in the model year 1989 with the Camaro/Firebird getting one 4 years later.
– Bert
Dec 19 at 0:00
@Bert Of course, but I presumed one is not seeking fuel economy with cars like Corvette or Camaro.
– Pavel
Dec 19 at 8:04
6-speed manual transmissions have been around a lot longer than 15 years. The Corvette got it in the model year 1989 with the Camaro/Firebird getting one 4 years later.
– Bert
Dec 19 at 0:00
6-speed manual transmissions have been around a lot longer than 15 years. The Corvette got it in the model year 1989 with the Camaro/Firebird getting one 4 years later.
– Bert
Dec 19 at 0:00
@Bert Of course, but I presumed one is not seeking fuel economy with cars like Corvette or Camaro.
– Pavel
Dec 19 at 8:04
@Bert Of course, but I presumed one is not seeking fuel economy with cars like Corvette or Camaro.
– Pavel
Dec 19 at 8:04
add a comment |
There are a number of responses on here that mention that it's infeasible to add a 7th gear to improve fuel economy, but none of them seem to actually answer the theoretical question of adding this extra gear to a manual transmission! So let's investigate this.
First you'll need to make sure that there's enough space in your transmission to fit a 7th gear (and the gear selector!). If there isn't, then you'll need to modify the transmission housing to accommodate. If the modified transmission interferes with something else in the engine bay or transmission tunnel, then you'll have to modify that to fit the new transmission. Finally, you'll have to extend the gear shafts in the transmission so that they're still properly attached to the transmission housing (hint: this probably means you'll have to machine your own gear shafts).
Then, you'll have to add the new 7th gear. Or more specifically, if you want your 7th gear to drive at 1400 RPM at a speed where 6th gear would be at 2000 RPM, then you'll need a pair of gears which has a ratio of the number of teeth that is 0.7 times that of your 6th gear ratio. So if you had a 6th gear ratio of 0.5, then you'll need new gears that have a ratio of something like 0.35. Depending on the design of your transmission, these gears might go on the counter-shaft and the output shaft. Or, you might not have a output shaft at all (sometimes the counter-shaft directly connects to the differential), so then it would just go on the input and counter shafts. But that detail probably doesn't matter because most likely...
You'll need a new gear selector fork. And selector collar, and probably synchro too. These will be placed next to the 7th gear that will be free-spinning. Oh, by the way, the corresponding 7th gear that meshes with the aforementioned one should be splined to whichever shaft it goes on. So if want your input shaft gear to be free-spinning, then the selector collar and synchro will go next to it to connect it to the input shaft, and the counter-shaft gear will be fixed to its shaft. If you're lucky, you can reuse your reverse gear selector fork and collar, which might save you some work on the next step.
That next step is to modify the gear selector linkage on the transmission, as well as on the gear stick that you'll be using in the car. Basically, you'll have to make it so that when you move the gear stick to the side, it lets you control your new 7th gear selector fork, and then when you move the gear stick forward or backward, it moves the selector fork and engages the selector collar to your 7th gear. The way this works differs with the design of the car, but it's pretty easy to understand once you have a look at how it selects the other gears, like in this example.
Once you've done all that, you'll finally have a working 7th gear in your car! But chances are, as others have mentioned you'll probably have to reprogram or adjust your ECU to accept the new gear. Again, this will differ depending on your car... in the worst case you might have to invest in a standalone ECU that will take an arbitrary number of gears! Or, you might not have to do anything at all...
But that's not the end of it, you'll need to make sure that your car is actually more fuel efficient with the new gear ratio at 100 km/h (otherwise you'll have done all the work for nothing)! The factor that determines this is your engine's brake specific fuel consumption (or BSFC for short). In fact, we even have a question on this site dedicated to explaining what that is. If it turns out your engine is less efficient at 1400 RPM, then you'll have to re-tune the whole thing to make it work. This could mean redesigning the intake for low-speed air, adjusting the cam profiles or timing, or even changing the bore to stroke ratio of your engine (which usually just means lengthening the stroke). But, I'll let you make a new question for that if it comes down to it.
And that's the basic gist of it. Not surprisingly, as the other answers have suggested, it's pretty complicated, even though manual transmissions are usually the easiest to work on. But, if you ever do decide to take on this task, make sure you let us know! I'm sure it'll be a very interesting (and perhaps slightly pointless) project! I'll also be adding links to this post to expand on relevant topics when time permits (it's taken me long enough to write this up as it is). For now, if you have no idea what any of this means, this article on HowStuffWorks explains pretty much all of it.
This is the only answer (so far) that specifically answers the OP's question. Modifying an existing transmission to add an extra gear is beyond the purview of all but bleeding edge F1 design houses. But "in order to enhance fuel economy" is a big stick in already complex mud. As Nick C rightfully opined, the overdrive 6th gear is already optimized for a reasonable balance of cruise and fuel economy. The most efficient "gear" in a manual trans is a direct coupling of the input and output - often called 4th. Only an electric motor would increase "fuel" economy with an added taller gear.
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:44
Anything else without a flat torque curve (any IC engine) would need to be redesigned to operate more efficiently at the new lower RPM. Perhaps a sterling cycle combined with a CVT, or a hybrid with an engine with a narrow efficient operating range. It's like asking "what type of credit card can I get that I can transfer all my balances to, in order to decrease my debt?"
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:49
Oh - and to pick a nit, I've never seen a manual box with an extra space on the input or output and layshaft to "add" another gearset. You'll need to add "extend housing" and "lengthen shafts" to the to-do list. You'll need a new driveshaft for RWD and AWD, and will also have to relocate the entire drivetrain forward on FWD and AWD. The half shafts still have to spine to the differential...
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 2:01
add a comment |
There are a number of responses on here that mention that it's infeasible to add a 7th gear to improve fuel economy, but none of them seem to actually answer the theoretical question of adding this extra gear to a manual transmission! So let's investigate this.
First you'll need to make sure that there's enough space in your transmission to fit a 7th gear (and the gear selector!). If there isn't, then you'll need to modify the transmission housing to accommodate. If the modified transmission interferes with something else in the engine bay or transmission tunnel, then you'll have to modify that to fit the new transmission. Finally, you'll have to extend the gear shafts in the transmission so that they're still properly attached to the transmission housing (hint: this probably means you'll have to machine your own gear shafts).
Then, you'll have to add the new 7th gear. Or more specifically, if you want your 7th gear to drive at 1400 RPM at a speed where 6th gear would be at 2000 RPM, then you'll need a pair of gears which has a ratio of the number of teeth that is 0.7 times that of your 6th gear ratio. So if you had a 6th gear ratio of 0.5, then you'll need new gears that have a ratio of something like 0.35. Depending on the design of your transmission, these gears might go on the counter-shaft and the output shaft. Or, you might not have a output shaft at all (sometimes the counter-shaft directly connects to the differential), so then it would just go on the input and counter shafts. But that detail probably doesn't matter because most likely...
You'll need a new gear selector fork. And selector collar, and probably synchro too. These will be placed next to the 7th gear that will be free-spinning. Oh, by the way, the corresponding 7th gear that meshes with the aforementioned one should be splined to whichever shaft it goes on. So if want your input shaft gear to be free-spinning, then the selector collar and synchro will go next to it to connect it to the input shaft, and the counter-shaft gear will be fixed to its shaft. If you're lucky, you can reuse your reverse gear selector fork and collar, which might save you some work on the next step.
That next step is to modify the gear selector linkage on the transmission, as well as on the gear stick that you'll be using in the car. Basically, you'll have to make it so that when you move the gear stick to the side, it lets you control your new 7th gear selector fork, and then when you move the gear stick forward or backward, it moves the selector fork and engages the selector collar to your 7th gear. The way this works differs with the design of the car, but it's pretty easy to understand once you have a look at how it selects the other gears, like in this example.
Once you've done all that, you'll finally have a working 7th gear in your car! But chances are, as others have mentioned you'll probably have to reprogram or adjust your ECU to accept the new gear. Again, this will differ depending on your car... in the worst case you might have to invest in a standalone ECU that will take an arbitrary number of gears! Or, you might not have to do anything at all...
But that's not the end of it, you'll need to make sure that your car is actually more fuel efficient with the new gear ratio at 100 km/h (otherwise you'll have done all the work for nothing)! The factor that determines this is your engine's brake specific fuel consumption (or BSFC for short). In fact, we even have a question on this site dedicated to explaining what that is. If it turns out your engine is less efficient at 1400 RPM, then you'll have to re-tune the whole thing to make it work. This could mean redesigning the intake for low-speed air, adjusting the cam profiles or timing, or even changing the bore to stroke ratio of your engine (which usually just means lengthening the stroke). But, I'll let you make a new question for that if it comes down to it.
And that's the basic gist of it. Not surprisingly, as the other answers have suggested, it's pretty complicated, even though manual transmissions are usually the easiest to work on. But, if you ever do decide to take on this task, make sure you let us know! I'm sure it'll be a very interesting (and perhaps slightly pointless) project! I'll also be adding links to this post to expand on relevant topics when time permits (it's taken me long enough to write this up as it is). For now, if you have no idea what any of this means, this article on HowStuffWorks explains pretty much all of it.
This is the only answer (so far) that specifically answers the OP's question. Modifying an existing transmission to add an extra gear is beyond the purview of all but bleeding edge F1 design houses. But "in order to enhance fuel economy" is a big stick in already complex mud. As Nick C rightfully opined, the overdrive 6th gear is already optimized for a reasonable balance of cruise and fuel economy. The most efficient "gear" in a manual trans is a direct coupling of the input and output - often called 4th. Only an electric motor would increase "fuel" economy with an added taller gear.
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:44
Anything else without a flat torque curve (any IC engine) would need to be redesigned to operate more efficiently at the new lower RPM. Perhaps a sterling cycle combined with a CVT, or a hybrid with an engine with a narrow efficient operating range. It's like asking "what type of credit card can I get that I can transfer all my balances to, in order to decrease my debt?"
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:49
Oh - and to pick a nit, I've never seen a manual box with an extra space on the input or output and layshaft to "add" another gearset. You'll need to add "extend housing" and "lengthen shafts" to the to-do list. You'll need a new driveshaft for RWD and AWD, and will also have to relocate the entire drivetrain forward on FWD and AWD. The half shafts still have to spine to the differential...
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 2:01
add a comment |
There are a number of responses on here that mention that it's infeasible to add a 7th gear to improve fuel economy, but none of them seem to actually answer the theoretical question of adding this extra gear to a manual transmission! So let's investigate this.
First you'll need to make sure that there's enough space in your transmission to fit a 7th gear (and the gear selector!). If there isn't, then you'll need to modify the transmission housing to accommodate. If the modified transmission interferes with something else in the engine bay or transmission tunnel, then you'll have to modify that to fit the new transmission. Finally, you'll have to extend the gear shafts in the transmission so that they're still properly attached to the transmission housing (hint: this probably means you'll have to machine your own gear shafts).
Then, you'll have to add the new 7th gear. Or more specifically, if you want your 7th gear to drive at 1400 RPM at a speed where 6th gear would be at 2000 RPM, then you'll need a pair of gears which has a ratio of the number of teeth that is 0.7 times that of your 6th gear ratio. So if you had a 6th gear ratio of 0.5, then you'll need new gears that have a ratio of something like 0.35. Depending on the design of your transmission, these gears might go on the counter-shaft and the output shaft. Or, you might not have a output shaft at all (sometimes the counter-shaft directly connects to the differential), so then it would just go on the input and counter shafts. But that detail probably doesn't matter because most likely...
You'll need a new gear selector fork. And selector collar, and probably synchro too. These will be placed next to the 7th gear that will be free-spinning. Oh, by the way, the corresponding 7th gear that meshes with the aforementioned one should be splined to whichever shaft it goes on. So if want your input shaft gear to be free-spinning, then the selector collar and synchro will go next to it to connect it to the input shaft, and the counter-shaft gear will be fixed to its shaft. If you're lucky, you can reuse your reverse gear selector fork and collar, which might save you some work on the next step.
That next step is to modify the gear selector linkage on the transmission, as well as on the gear stick that you'll be using in the car. Basically, you'll have to make it so that when you move the gear stick to the side, it lets you control your new 7th gear selector fork, and then when you move the gear stick forward or backward, it moves the selector fork and engages the selector collar to your 7th gear. The way this works differs with the design of the car, but it's pretty easy to understand once you have a look at how it selects the other gears, like in this example.
Once you've done all that, you'll finally have a working 7th gear in your car! But chances are, as others have mentioned you'll probably have to reprogram or adjust your ECU to accept the new gear. Again, this will differ depending on your car... in the worst case you might have to invest in a standalone ECU that will take an arbitrary number of gears! Or, you might not have to do anything at all...
But that's not the end of it, you'll need to make sure that your car is actually more fuel efficient with the new gear ratio at 100 km/h (otherwise you'll have done all the work for nothing)! The factor that determines this is your engine's brake specific fuel consumption (or BSFC for short). In fact, we even have a question on this site dedicated to explaining what that is. If it turns out your engine is less efficient at 1400 RPM, then you'll have to re-tune the whole thing to make it work. This could mean redesigning the intake for low-speed air, adjusting the cam profiles or timing, or even changing the bore to stroke ratio of your engine (which usually just means lengthening the stroke). But, I'll let you make a new question for that if it comes down to it.
And that's the basic gist of it. Not surprisingly, as the other answers have suggested, it's pretty complicated, even though manual transmissions are usually the easiest to work on. But, if you ever do decide to take on this task, make sure you let us know! I'm sure it'll be a very interesting (and perhaps slightly pointless) project! I'll also be adding links to this post to expand on relevant topics when time permits (it's taken me long enough to write this up as it is). For now, if you have no idea what any of this means, this article on HowStuffWorks explains pretty much all of it.
There are a number of responses on here that mention that it's infeasible to add a 7th gear to improve fuel economy, but none of them seem to actually answer the theoretical question of adding this extra gear to a manual transmission! So let's investigate this.
First you'll need to make sure that there's enough space in your transmission to fit a 7th gear (and the gear selector!). If there isn't, then you'll need to modify the transmission housing to accommodate. If the modified transmission interferes with something else in the engine bay or transmission tunnel, then you'll have to modify that to fit the new transmission. Finally, you'll have to extend the gear shafts in the transmission so that they're still properly attached to the transmission housing (hint: this probably means you'll have to machine your own gear shafts).
Then, you'll have to add the new 7th gear. Or more specifically, if you want your 7th gear to drive at 1400 RPM at a speed where 6th gear would be at 2000 RPM, then you'll need a pair of gears which has a ratio of the number of teeth that is 0.7 times that of your 6th gear ratio. So if you had a 6th gear ratio of 0.5, then you'll need new gears that have a ratio of something like 0.35. Depending on the design of your transmission, these gears might go on the counter-shaft and the output shaft. Or, you might not have a output shaft at all (sometimes the counter-shaft directly connects to the differential), so then it would just go on the input and counter shafts. But that detail probably doesn't matter because most likely...
You'll need a new gear selector fork. And selector collar, and probably synchro too. These will be placed next to the 7th gear that will be free-spinning. Oh, by the way, the corresponding 7th gear that meshes with the aforementioned one should be splined to whichever shaft it goes on. So if want your input shaft gear to be free-spinning, then the selector collar and synchro will go next to it to connect it to the input shaft, and the counter-shaft gear will be fixed to its shaft. If you're lucky, you can reuse your reverse gear selector fork and collar, which might save you some work on the next step.
That next step is to modify the gear selector linkage on the transmission, as well as on the gear stick that you'll be using in the car. Basically, you'll have to make it so that when you move the gear stick to the side, it lets you control your new 7th gear selector fork, and then when you move the gear stick forward or backward, it moves the selector fork and engages the selector collar to your 7th gear. The way this works differs with the design of the car, but it's pretty easy to understand once you have a look at how it selects the other gears, like in this example.
Once you've done all that, you'll finally have a working 7th gear in your car! But chances are, as others have mentioned you'll probably have to reprogram or adjust your ECU to accept the new gear. Again, this will differ depending on your car... in the worst case you might have to invest in a standalone ECU that will take an arbitrary number of gears! Or, you might not have to do anything at all...
But that's not the end of it, you'll need to make sure that your car is actually more fuel efficient with the new gear ratio at 100 km/h (otherwise you'll have done all the work for nothing)! The factor that determines this is your engine's brake specific fuel consumption (or BSFC for short). In fact, we even have a question on this site dedicated to explaining what that is. If it turns out your engine is less efficient at 1400 RPM, then you'll have to re-tune the whole thing to make it work. This could mean redesigning the intake for low-speed air, adjusting the cam profiles or timing, or even changing the bore to stroke ratio of your engine (which usually just means lengthening the stroke). But, I'll let you make a new question for that if it comes down to it.
And that's the basic gist of it. Not surprisingly, as the other answers have suggested, it's pretty complicated, even though manual transmissions are usually the easiest to work on. But, if you ever do decide to take on this task, make sure you let us know! I'm sure it'll be a very interesting (and perhaps slightly pointless) project! I'll also be adding links to this post to expand on relevant topics when time permits (it's taken me long enough to write this up as it is). For now, if you have no idea what any of this means, this article on HowStuffWorks explains pretty much all of it.
edited Dec 18 at 2:07
answered Dec 17 at 19:16
Kitsunemimi
3106
3106
This is the only answer (so far) that specifically answers the OP's question. Modifying an existing transmission to add an extra gear is beyond the purview of all but bleeding edge F1 design houses. But "in order to enhance fuel economy" is a big stick in already complex mud. As Nick C rightfully opined, the overdrive 6th gear is already optimized for a reasonable balance of cruise and fuel economy. The most efficient "gear" in a manual trans is a direct coupling of the input and output - often called 4th. Only an electric motor would increase "fuel" economy with an added taller gear.
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:44
Anything else without a flat torque curve (any IC engine) would need to be redesigned to operate more efficiently at the new lower RPM. Perhaps a sterling cycle combined with a CVT, or a hybrid with an engine with a narrow efficient operating range. It's like asking "what type of credit card can I get that I can transfer all my balances to, in order to decrease my debt?"
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:49
Oh - and to pick a nit, I've never seen a manual box with an extra space on the input or output and layshaft to "add" another gearset. You'll need to add "extend housing" and "lengthen shafts" to the to-do list. You'll need a new driveshaft for RWD and AWD, and will also have to relocate the entire drivetrain forward on FWD and AWD. The half shafts still have to spine to the differential...
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 2:01
add a comment |
This is the only answer (so far) that specifically answers the OP's question. Modifying an existing transmission to add an extra gear is beyond the purview of all but bleeding edge F1 design houses. But "in order to enhance fuel economy" is a big stick in already complex mud. As Nick C rightfully opined, the overdrive 6th gear is already optimized for a reasonable balance of cruise and fuel economy. The most efficient "gear" in a manual trans is a direct coupling of the input and output - often called 4th. Only an electric motor would increase "fuel" economy with an added taller gear.
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:44
Anything else without a flat torque curve (any IC engine) would need to be redesigned to operate more efficiently at the new lower RPM. Perhaps a sterling cycle combined with a CVT, or a hybrid with an engine with a narrow efficient operating range. It's like asking "what type of credit card can I get that I can transfer all my balances to, in order to decrease my debt?"
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:49
Oh - and to pick a nit, I've never seen a manual box with an extra space on the input or output and layshaft to "add" another gearset. You'll need to add "extend housing" and "lengthen shafts" to the to-do list. You'll need a new driveshaft for RWD and AWD, and will also have to relocate the entire drivetrain forward on FWD and AWD. The half shafts still have to spine to the differential...
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 2:01
This is the only answer (so far) that specifically answers the OP's question. Modifying an existing transmission to add an extra gear is beyond the purview of all but bleeding edge F1 design houses. But "in order to enhance fuel economy" is a big stick in already complex mud. As Nick C rightfully opined, the overdrive 6th gear is already optimized for a reasonable balance of cruise and fuel economy. The most efficient "gear" in a manual trans is a direct coupling of the input and output - often called 4th. Only an electric motor would increase "fuel" economy with an added taller gear.
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:44
This is the only answer (so far) that specifically answers the OP's question. Modifying an existing transmission to add an extra gear is beyond the purview of all but bleeding edge F1 design houses. But "in order to enhance fuel economy" is a big stick in already complex mud. As Nick C rightfully opined, the overdrive 6th gear is already optimized for a reasonable balance of cruise and fuel economy. The most efficient "gear" in a manual trans is a direct coupling of the input and output - often called 4th. Only an electric motor would increase "fuel" economy with an added taller gear.
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:44
Anything else without a flat torque curve (any IC engine) would need to be redesigned to operate more efficiently at the new lower RPM. Perhaps a sterling cycle combined with a CVT, or a hybrid with an engine with a narrow efficient operating range. It's like asking "what type of credit card can I get that I can transfer all my balances to, in order to decrease my debt?"
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:49
Anything else without a flat torque curve (any IC engine) would need to be redesigned to operate more efficiently at the new lower RPM. Perhaps a sterling cycle combined with a CVT, or a hybrid with an engine with a narrow efficient operating range. It's like asking "what type of credit card can I get that I can transfer all my balances to, in order to decrease my debt?"
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 1:49
Oh - and to pick a nit, I've never seen a manual box with an extra space on the input or output and layshaft to "add" another gearset. You'll need to add "extend housing" and "lengthen shafts" to the to-do list. You'll need a new driveshaft for RWD and AWD, and will also have to relocate the entire drivetrain forward on FWD and AWD. The half shafts still have to spine to the differential...
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 2:01
Oh - and to pick a nit, I've never seen a manual box with an extra space on the input or output and layshaft to "add" another gearset. You'll need to add "extend housing" and "lengthen shafts" to the to-do list. You'll need a new driveshaft for RWD and AWD, and will also have to relocate the entire drivetrain forward on FWD and AWD. The half shafts still have to spine to the differential...
– SteveRacer
Dec 19 at 2:01
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Theoretically the idea can work (essentially this is what the 7th gear in the Porsche 991 is for) and if you could find a 7-speed gearbox with the desired ratios that fit your car you could swap them and replace the selection linkage, shifter etc to match.
However, back in the real world.. the aforementioned 991 and the Corvette Z06 are the only cars I know of with a 7-speed manual box and the chances of that fitting into anything else are slim at best. And even if it does fit it's not going to be cheap - thousands upon thousands of dollars.
So your chances of actually saving any money through improved economy are negligible - and your chances of doing so versus trading in for a more efficient car are basically non-existent.
As to why 7-speed 'boxes specifically are so rare, well that's a little more complicated - the concept of a cruising or "overdrive" gear for economy purposes is not new and many 5/6 speed gearboxes over the years have done just that. In fact it's highly likely that your car does that already!
Specifically talking about adding a 7th gear though - well aside from the obvious factors of increased complexity, weight and cost there are issues elsewhere. 7 gears doesn't make for an easy to use H-pattern selector, and people have grumbled about this very issue in the Porsche.
Additionally there is the engine's efficiency to worry about - an internal combustion engine is always operating at it's most efficient at peak torque - which is not the same as the most fuel efficiency in the car! However they are related - particularly in petrol engines efficiency of the engine drops off massively with lower RPM and past a certain point the inefficiency in the use of the fuel by the engine will overtake the economy gains from the lower RPM.
A Corvette Z06 gear box could probably be made to fit any GM car using a modern LS series V8
– Dave Smith
Dec 18 at 11:41
2
@DaveSmith You may well be right.. to be honest given it's essentially based off the ZF 7DT Dual-clutch box it may well fit more things then I'd originally anticipated - interestingly I believe it's available in the 2018 AM Vantage as well, suggesting it can be fitted with the Merc-AMG M177 engine as well. Still, such a conversion would be frighteningly expensive!
– motosubatsu
Dec 18 at 11:52
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Theoretically the idea can work (essentially this is what the 7th gear in the Porsche 991 is for) and if you could find a 7-speed gearbox with the desired ratios that fit your car you could swap them and replace the selection linkage, shifter etc to match.
However, back in the real world.. the aforementioned 991 and the Corvette Z06 are the only cars I know of with a 7-speed manual box and the chances of that fitting into anything else are slim at best. And even if it does fit it's not going to be cheap - thousands upon thousands of dollars.
So your chances of actually saving any money through improved economy are negligible - and your chances of doing so versus trading in for a more efficient car are basically non-existent.
As to why 7-speed 'boxes specifically are so rare, well that's a little more complicated - the concept of a cruising or "overdrive" gear for economy purposes is not new and many 5/6 speed gearboxes over the years have done just that. In fact it's highly likely that your car does that already!
Specifically talking about adding a 7th gear though - well aside from the obvious factors of increased complexity, weight and cost there are issues elsewhere. 7 gears doesn't make for an easy to use H-pattern selector, and people have grumbled about this very issue in the Porsche.
Additionally there is the engine's efficiency to worry about - an internal combustion engine is always operating at it's most efficient at peak torque - which is not the same as the most fuel efficiency in the car! However they are related - particularly in petrol engines efficiency of the engine drops off massively with lower RPM and past a certain point the inefficiency in the use of the fuel by the engine will overtake the economy gains from the lower RPM.
A Corvette Z06 gear box could probably be made to fit any GM car using a modern LS series V8
– Dave Smith
Dec 18 at 11:41
2
@DaveSmith You may well be right.. to be honest given it's essentially based off the ZF 7DT Dual-clutch box it may well fit more things then I'd originally anticipated - interestingly I believe it's available in the 2018 AM Vantage as well, suggesting it can be fitted with the Merc-AMG M177 engine as well. Still, such a conversion would be frighteningly expensive!
– motosubatsu
Dec 18 at 11:52
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Theoretically the idea can work (essentially this is what the 7th gear in the Porsche 991 is for) and if you could find a 7-speed gearbox with the desired ratios that fit your car you could swap them and replace the selection linkage, shifter etc to match.
However, back in the real world.. the aforementioned 991 and the Corvette Z06 are the only cars I know of with a 7-speed manual box and the chances of that fitting into anything else are slim at best. And even if it does fit it's not going to be cheap - thousands upon thousands of dollars.
So your chances of actually saving any money through improved economy are negligible - and your chances of doing so versus trading in for a more efficient car are basically non-existent.
As to why 7-speed 'boxes specifically are so rare, well that's a little more complicated - the concept of a cruising or "overdrive" gear for economy purposes is not new and many 5/6 speed gearboxes over the years have done just that. In fact it's highly likely that your car does that already!
Specifically talking about adding a 7th gear though - well aside from the obvious factors of increased complexity, weight and cost there are issues elsewhere. 7 gears doesn't make for an easy to use H-pattern selector, and people have grumbled about this very issue in the Porsche.
Additionally there is the engine's efficiency to worry about - an internal combustion engine is always operating at it's most efficient at peak torque - which is not the same as the most fuel efficiency in the car! However they are related - particularly in petrol engines efficiency of the engine drops off massively with lower RPM and past a certain point the inefficiency in the use of the fuel by the engine will overtake the economy gains from the lower RPM.
Theoretically the idea can work (essentially this is what the 7th gear in the Porsche 991 is for) and if you could find a 7-speed gearbox with the desired ratios that fit your car you could swap them and replace the selection linkage, shifter etc to match.
However, back in the real world.. the aforementioned 991 and the Corvette Z06 are the only cars I know of with a 7-speed manual box and the chances of that fitting into anything else are slim at best. And even if it does fit it's not going to be cheap - thousands upon thousands of dollars.
So your chances of actually saving any money through improved economy are negligible - and your chances of doing so versus trading in for a more efficient car are basically non-existent.
As to why 7-speed 'boxes specifically are so rare, well that's a little more complicated - the concept of a cruising or "overdrive" gear for economy purposes is not new and many 5/6 speed gearboxes over the years have done just that. In fact it's highly likely that your car does that already!
Specifically talking about adding a 7th gear though - well aside from the obvious factors of increased complexity, weight and cost there are issues elsewhere. 7 gears doesn't make for an easy to use H-pattern selector, and people have grumbled about this very issue in the Porsche.
Additionally there is the engine's efficiency to worry about - an internal combustion engine is always operating at it's most efficient at peak torque - which is not the same as the most fuel efficiency in the car! However they are related - particularly in petrol engines efficiency of the engine drops off massively with lower RPM and past a certain point the inefficiency in the use of the fuel by the engine will overtake the economy gains from the lower RPM.
answered Dec 17 at 16:57
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A Corvette Z06 gear box could probably be made to fit any GM car using a modern LS series V8
– Dave Smith
Dec 18 at 11:41
2
@DaveSmith You may well be right.. to be honest given it's essentially based off the ZF 7DT Dual-clutch box it may well fit more things then I'd originally anticipated - interestingly I believe it's available in the 2018 AM Vantage as well, suggesting it can be fitted with the Merc-AMG M177 engine as well. Still, such a conversion would be frighteningly expensive!
– motosubatsu
Dec 18 at 11:52
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A Corvette Z06 gear box could probably be made to fit any GM car using a modern LS series V8
– Dave Smith
Dec 18 at 11:41
2
@DaveSmith You may well be right.. to be honest given it's essentially based off the ZF 7DT Dual-clutch box it may well fit more things then I'd originally anticipated - interestingly I believe it's available in the 2018 AM Vantage as well, suggesting it can be fitted with the Merc-AMG M177 engine as well. Still, such a conversion would be frighteningly expensive!
– motosubatsu
Dec 18 at 11:52
A Corvette Z06 gear box could probably be made to fit any GM car using a modern LS series V8
– Dave Smith
Dec 18 at 11:41
A Corvette Z06 gear box could probably be made to fit any GM car using a modern LS series V8
– Dave Smith
Dec 18 at 11:41
2
2
@DaveSmith You may well be right.. to be honest given it's essentially based off the ZF 7DT Dual-clutch box it may well fit more things then I'd originally anticipated - interestingly I believe it's available in the 2018 AM Vantage as well, suggesting it can be fitted with the Merc-AMG M177 engine as well. Still, such a conversion would be frighteningly expensive!
– motosubatsu
Dec 18 at 11:52
@DaveSmith You may well be right.. to be honest given it's essentially based off the ZF 7DT Dual-clutch box it may well fit more things then I'd originally anticipated - interestingly I believe it's available in the 2018 AM Vantage as well, suggesting it can be fitted with the Merc-AMG M177 engine as well. Still, such a conversion would be frighteningly expensive!
– motosubatsu
Dec 18 at 11:52
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Short Answer: Adding a 7th to a 6 spd trans is not how you want to tackle the problem. It would extremely expensive and require a lot of fabrication. It sounds easy but its not.
However, you can achieve your goals through a different methods.
1) Swap to a different 6 spd transmission. Many automakers use the same drivetrains in various cars with minor differences. One of these differences is usually the gearing in the transmission. Volkswagen does this with the GTI/Beetle/Jetta GLI. GTI has the most aggressive gearing (lowest mpg), where as the GLI and Beetle have different gearing, aimed more towards mpg (and so that they don't compete with the performance of the GTI). One could simply swap the GTI trans out for the GLI or Beetle Trans.
You can also look into older generations of the same car. Sometimes the transmissions are compatible and will offer different gearing
2) You could swap out the gears or the tallest for improved fuel economy. This could be done with VW GTI/GLI/Beetle example I gave above. Would yield the same results.
3) Taller tires would be the easiest way to reduce the rpms at highways speeds. However, you would slightly raise your car as well, which is counterproductive when mpg is our goal.
There are also many other ways to improve your mpg, such as Low Rolling Resistance Tires (LRR), lightweight wheels, aerodynamic mods, keeping up with maintenance, etc
There is nothing wrong with want some extra mpgs out of current car. I suggest you check ecomodder where these topics are discussed in depth.
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Short Answer: Adding a 7th to a 6 spd trans is not how you want to tackle the problem. It would extremely expensive and require a lot of fabrication. It sounds easy but its not.
However, you can achieve your goals through a different methods.
1) Swap to a different 6 spd transmission. Many automakers use the same drivetrains in various cars with minor differences. One of these differences is usually the gearing in the transmission. Volkswagen does this with the GTI/Beetle/Jetta GLI. GTI has the most aggressive gearing (lowest mpg), where as the GLI and Beetle have different gearing, aimed more towards mpg (and so that they don't compete with the performance of the GTI). One could simply swap the GTI trans out for the GLI or Beetle Trans.
You can also look into older generations of the same car. Sometimes the transmissions are compatible and will offer different gearing
2) You could swap out the gears or the tallest for improved fuel economy. This could be done with VW GTI/GLI/Beetle example I gave above. Would yield the same results.
3) Taller tires would be the easiest way to reduce the rpms at highways speeds. However, you would slightly raise your car as well, which is counterproductive when mpg is our goal.
There are also many other ways to improve your mpg, such as Low Rolling Resistance Tires (LRR), lightweight wheels, aerodynamic mods, keeping up with maintenance, etc
There is nothing wrong with want some extra mpgs out of current car. I suggest you check ecomodder where these topics are discussed in depth.
add a comment |
Short Answer: Adding a 7th to a 6 spd trans is not how you want to tackle the problem. It would extremely expensive and require a lot of fabrication. It sounds easy but its not.
However, you can achieve your goals through a different methods.
1) Swap to a different 6 spd transmission. Many automakers use the same drivetrains in various cars with minor differences. One of these differences is usually the gearing in the transmission. Volkswagen does this with the GTI/Beetle/Jetta GLI. GTI has the most aggressive gearing (lowest mpg), where as the GLI and Beetle have different gearing, aimed more towards mpg (and so that they don't compete with the performance of the GTI). One could simply swap the GTI trans out for the GLI or Beetle Trans.
You can also look into older generations of the same car. Sometimes the transmissions are compatible and will offer different gearing
2) You could swap out the gears or the tallest for improved fuel economy. This could be done with VW GTI/GLI/Beetle example I gave above. Would yield the same results.
3) Taller tires would be the easiest way to reduce the rpms at highways speeds. However, you would slightly raise your car as well, which is counterproductive when mpg is our goal.
There are also many other ways to improve your mpg, such as Low Rolling Resistance Tires (LRR), lightweight wheels, aerodynamic mods, keeping up with maintenance, etc
There is nothing wrong with want some extra mpgs out of current car. I suggest you check ecomodder where these topics are discussed in depth.
Short Answer: Adding a 7th to a 6 spd trans is not how you want to tackle the problem. It would extremely expensive and require a lot of fabrication. It sounds easy but its not.
However, you can achieve your goals through a different methods.
1) Swap to a different 6 spd transmission. Many automakers use the same drivetrains in various cars with minor differences. One of these differences is usually the gearing in the transmission. Volkswagen does this with the GTI/Beetle/Jetta GLI. GTI has the most aggressive gearing (lowest mpg), where as the GLI and Beetle have different gearing, aimed more towards mpg (and so that they don't compete with the performance of the GTI). One could simply swap the GTI trans out for the GLI or Beetle Trans.
You can also look into older generations of the same car. Sometimes the transmissions are compatible and will offer different gearing
2) You could swap out the gears or the tallest for improved fuel economy. This could be done with VW GTI/GLI/Beetle example I gave above. Would yield the same results.
3) Taller tires would be the easiest way to reduce the rpms at highways speeds. However, you would slightly raise your car as well, which is counterproductive when mpg is our goal.
There are also many other ways to improve your mpg, such as Low Rolling Resistance Tires (LRR), lightweight wheels, aerodynamic mods, keeping up with maintenance, etc
There is nothing wrong with want some extra mpgs out of current car. I suggest you check ecomodder where these topics are discussed in depth.
answered Dec 18 at 21:32
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Instead of adding more gears, have you considered stretching the gearing by using slighty larger wheels/tyres?
This would move the top gear to slightly lower RPM at the same road speed, but will make all the gears a little taller so it will be easier to stall in first gear when moving off.
This will also affect your reverse gear in the same way.
Another point - if your spare wheel is full sized then it will be subtly smaller than the four on the car. If you have a space saver it will be a lot smaller, resulting in weirder handling and tyre wear.
If you tow a bit, this might not be a good idea. The car will be slightly taller too, slightly increasing body roll in corners.
Also, your speedo and odometer will now under-read by a few percent. This can be fixed with a replacement driver on the speedo cable, which is scaled for your wheels.
Finally your location may require recertifying the vehicle for a tyre size change. Your insurance company will need to be informed of the change too.
- Kind of not an answer, but it does address the question and gets the effective same result.
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Instead of adding more gears, have you considered stretching the gearing by using slighty larger wheels/tyres?
This would move the top gear to slightly lower RPM at the same road speed, but will make all the gears a little taller so it will be easier to stall in first gear when moving off.
This will also affect your reverse gear in the same way.
Another point - if your spare wheel is full sized then it will be subtly smaller than the four on the car. If you have a space saver it will be a lot smaller, resulting in weirder handling and tyre wear.
If you tow a bit, this might not be a good idea. The car will be slightly taller too, slightly increasing body roll in corners.
Also, your speedo and odometer will now under-read by a few percent. This can be fixed with a replacement driver on the speedo cable, which is scaled for your wheels.
Finally your location may require recertifying the vehicle for a tyre size change. Your insurance company will need to be informed of the change too.
- Kind of not an answer, but it does address the question and gets the effective same result.
add a comment |
Instead of adding more gears, have you considered stretching the gearing by using slighty larger wheels/tyres?
This would move the top gear to slightly lower RPM at the same road speed, but will make all the gears a little taller so it will be easier to stall in first gear when moving off.
This will also affect your reverse gear in the same way.
Another point - if your spare wheel is full sized then it will be subtly smaller than the four on the car. If you have a space saver it will be a lot smaller, resulting in weirder handling and tyre wear.
If you tow a bit, this might not be a good idea. The car will be slightly taller too, slightly increasing body roll in corners.
Also, your speedo and odometer will now under-read by a few percent. This can be fixed with a replacement driver on the speedo cable, which is scaled for your wheels.
Finally your location may require recertifying the vehicle for a tyre size change. Your insurance company will need to be informed of the change too.
- Kind of not an answer, but it does address the question and gets the effective same result.
Instead of adding more gears, have you considered stretching the gearing by using slighty larger wheels/tyres?
This would move the top gear to slightly lower RPM at the same road speed, but will make all the gears a little taller so it will be easier to stall in first gear when moving off.
This will also affect your reverse gear in the same way.
Another point - if your spare wheel is full sized then it will be subtly smaller than the four on the car. If you have a space saver it will be a lot smaller, resulting in weirder handling and tyre wear.
If you tow a bit, this might not be a good idea. The car will be slightly taller too, slightly increasing body roll in corners.
Also, your speedo and odometer will now under-read by a few percent. This can be fixed with a replacement driver on the speedo cable, which is scaled for your wheels.
Finally your location may require recertifying the vehicle for a tyre size change. Your insurance company will need to be informed of the change too.
- Kind of not an answer, but it does address the question and gets the effective same result.
answered Dec 18 at 1:17
Criggie
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If your goal (as stated) is to lower engine RPM at a given speed in top gear, then there are several ways to do that without adding an extra gear shiftable to the transmission.
The simplest way would be to simply use larger tires, possibly on a larger wheel. Another answer that suggests this was downvoted but it really is a cheap, effective method. However, you really are looking at a few percent increase at best unless you radically alter the wheel well or raise the vehicle. Note that this method will affect your speedometer and odometer calibration.
Given a rear-wheel drive vehicle, a more invasive method would be to change the differential gear ratio. On Ford cars especially, this is an easy swap. Many competition-oriented Fords do the opposite: they swap in a lower-geared differential. Like the tire swap, this method will affect your speedometer and odometer calibration.
Going up the complexity ladder, if your transmission has a locking torque converter available, perhaps for a different model, you could try to source that. It's a long shot, but some vehicles, i.e. the Crown Victory Police Package, offered locking differentials whereas the same engine/transmission combo in the Grand Marque did not. This would not require recalibrating the speedo and odometers.
Lastly, if you are willing to rebuild the transmission, then you could ask the builder if a taller top gear is available. If the tranny was used for many models and many model years, then it is certainly possible. This method would also not require recalibrating the speedometer and odometers.
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If your goal (as stated) is to lower engine RPM at a given speed in top gear, then there are several ways to do that without adding an extra gear shiftable to the transmission.
The simplest way would be to simply use larger tires, possibly on a larger wheel. Another answer that suggests this was downvoted but it really is a cheap, effective method. However, you really are looking at a few percent increase at best unless you radically alter the wheel well or raise the vehicle. Note that this method will affect your speedometer and odometer calibration.
Given a rear-wheel drive vehicle, a more invasive method would be to change the differential gear ratio. On Ford cars especially, this is an easy swap. Many competition-oriented Fords do the opposite: they swap in a lower-geared differential. Like the tire swap, this method will affect your speedometer and odometer calibration.
Going up the complexity ladder, if your transmission has a locking torque converter available, perhaps for a different model, you could try to source that. It's a long shot, but some vehicles, i.e. the Crown Victory Police Package, offered locking differentials whereas the same engine/transmission combo in the Grand Marque did not. This would not require recalibrating the speedo and odometers.
Lastly, if you are willing to rebuild the transmission, then you could ask the builder if a taller top gear is available. If the tranny was used for many models and many model years, then it is certainly possible. This method would also not require recalibrating the speedometer and odometers.
add a comment |
If your goal (as stated) is to lower engine RPM at a given speed in top gear, then there are several ways to do that without adding an extra gear shiftable to the transmission.
The simplest way would be to simply use larger tires, possibly on a larger wheel. Another answer that suggests this was downvoted but it really is a cheap, effective method. However, you really are looking at a few percent increase at best unless you radically alter the wheel well or raise the vehicle. Note that this method will affect your speedometer and odometer calibration.
Given a rear-wheel drive vehicle, a more invasive method would be to change the differential gear ratio. On Ford cars especially, this is an easy swap. Many competition-oriented Fords do the opposite: they swap in a lower-geared differential. Like the tire swap, this method will affect your speedometer and odometer calibration.
Going up the complexity ladder, if your transmission has a locking torque converter available, perhaps for a different model, you could try to source that. It's a long shot, but some vehicles, i.e. the Crown Victory Police Package, offered locking differentials whereas the same engine/transmission combo in the Grand Marque did not. This would not require recalibrating the speedo and odometers.
Lastly, if you are willing to rebuild the transmission, then you could ask the builder if a taller top gear is available. If the tranny was used for many models and many model years, then it is certainly possible. This method would also not require recalibrating the speedometer and odometers.
If your goal (as stated) is to lower engine RPM at a given speed in top gear, then there are several ways to do that without adding an extra gear shiftable to the transmission.
The simplest way would be to simply use larger tires, possibly on a larger wheel. Another answer that suggests this was downvoted but it really is a cheap, effective method. However, you really are looking at a few percent increase at best unless you radically alter the wheel well or raise the vehicle. Note that this method will affect your speedometer and odometer calibration.
Given a rear-wheel drive vehicle, a more invasive method would be to change the differential gear ratio. On Ford cars especially, this is an easy swap. Many competition-oriented Fords do the opposite: they swap in a lower-geared differential. Like the tire swap, this method will affect your speedometer and odometer calibration.
Going up the complexity ladder, if your transmission has a locking torque converter available, perhaps for a different model, you could try to source that. It's a long shot, but some vehicles, i.e. the Crown Victory Police Package, offered locking differentials whereas the same engine/transmission combo in the Grand Marque did not. This would not require recalibrating the speedo and odometers.
Lastly, if you are willing to rebuild the transmission, then you could ask the builder if a taller top gear is available. If the tranny was used for many models and many model years, then it is certainly possible. This method would also not require recalibrating the speedometer and odometers.
answered Dec 18 at 15:18
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I've done this on more than one occasion.
Change the rear axle/differential/final drive
This is a gear with a ratio of typically 2.73:1 through 5.00:1. It is located in either
- your live rear axle, if that is one big assembly
- your rear gearbox, if your car has indepenent rear suspension (quartershafts coming out of the central pig)
- the bottom of your front-wheel-drive transmission, which will involve tearing down the transmission to access. In this case, a gear ratio change might not be practicable or possible.
You aren't going to get a 30% ratio bump this way. But you won't have any trouble getting around a 10% bump, and I have serious doubts that you would want more. The people* who designed your car are not morons.
I've always driven more simple cars, so the rear end swaps I've done have always involved lugging a live rear axle through a junkyard after determining its ratio by spinning a wheel.
Change the transmission
This one is a little trickier because it involves lots and lots of really geeky research, especially if the car is post-1996. Also, this only works because it's a manual; automatics are very tightly integrated with the powertrain computer and would be a staggering challenge.
You need to search for a transmission that has all the features your car needs to physically fit
- the engine
- the frame
- the halfshafts
- the electrical controls needed by the OBD system, starter interlock, reverse switch, etc.
This requires a craft of skill that isn't necessarily anything like run-of-the-mill hotrodding. Pretty much, you will be locked into one vendor, and it will just be a matter of figuring out which junkyard pick has the transmission you need.
Getting the electricals right is critical, both so the car works (reverse lights come on), and so it'll pass smog in the 12 states and not blow SES ligts. It's important not to just "put up with" the SES light being on 24x7, you want the SES light cleared so it can warn you about a new, genuine problem.
Add an external overdrive unit
This is an obsolete method and only works on RWD cars, so I will just touch on it.
Change the engine
Really. Smog legal and all. Broadly, you are allowed to put any engine in your car where service class is yours or better (car engine in truck, ok) and engine year >= car year.
Realistically in this day and age with OBDII and smog, that involves changing the entire powertrain, cutting at the fuel line, halfshaft, battery terminals and radiator hoses. I've done this too across wildly different model lines, and it's a PitA/ labor of love (you couldn't possibly pay someone to do this exceptionally tedious and research-driven work). Even though I did not touch the powertrain package at all, there were still like 20 circuits that "came through the firewall" and every one had to be engineered to match the vehicle.
Back when the Ford Festiva/Aspire was a thing, it was common for Miata owners to swap in the Festiva engine (or simply the 2V heads) for a significant bump in fuel economy, at the expense of power, of course. Hotrodders who thought a Festiva was a good place to start a performance build were all too happy to take those 4V heads off them. In that case the transmissions were electrically compatible, so the harness stayed with the engine.
Done competently, an engine change is smog legal in California. (In the Miata/Festiva case, both directions, heck, you can out a 'Vette LS1 in a Festiva and pass smog. Really, smog quotas are by year, not vehicle weight.)
* they're in Detroit. Really. All the world's makers have engineering departments in the Detroit suburbs, including makers who don't even build for the North American market. Both for the talent pool and the prototyping capability, and all the world's suppliers also have offices there. It's the Davos of cars.
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I've done this on more than one occasion.
Change the rear axle/differential/final drive
This is a gear with a ratio of typically 2.73:1 through 5.00:1. It is located in either
- your live rear axle, if that is one big assembly
- your rear gearbox, if your car has indepenent rear suspension (quartershafts coming out of the central pig)
- the bottom of your front-wheel-drive transmission, which will involve tearing down the transmission to access. In this case, a gear ratio change might not be practicable or possible.
You aren't going to get a 30% ratio bump this way. But you won't have any trouble getting around a 10% bump, and I have serious doubts that you would want more. The people* who designed your car are not morons.
I've always driven more simple cars, so the rear end swaps I've done have always involved lugging a live rear axle through a junkyard after determining its ratio by spinning a wheel.
Change the transmission
This one is a little trickier because it involves lots and lots of really geeky research, especially if the car is post-1996. Also, this only works because it's a manual; automatics are very tightly integrated with the powertrain computer and would be a staggering challenge.
You need to search for a transmission that has all the features your car needs to physically fit
- the engine
- the frame
- the halfshafts
- the electrical controls needed by the OBD system, starter interlock, reverse switch, etc.
This requires a craft of skill that isn't necessarily anything like run-of-the-mill hotrodding. Pretty much, you will be locked into one vendor, and it will just be a matter of figuring out which junkyard pick has the transmission you need.
Getting the electricals right is critical, both so the car works (reverse lights come on), and so it'll pass smog in the 12 states and not blow SES ligts. It's important not to just "put up with" the SES light being on 24x7, you want the SES light cleared so it can warn you about a new, genuine problem.
Add an external overdrive unit
This is an obsolete method and only works on RWD cars, so I will just touch on it.
Change the engine
Really. Smog legal and all. Broadly, you are allowed to put any engine in your car where service class is yours or better (car engine in truck, ok) and engine year >= car year.
Realistically in this day and age with OBDII and smog, that involves changing the entire powertrain, cutting at the fuel line, halfshaft, battery terminals and radiator hoses. I've done this too across wildly different model lines, and it's a PitA/ labor of love (you couldn't possibly pay someone to do this exceptionally tedious and research-driven work). Even though I did not touch the powertrain package at all, there were still like 20 circuits that "came through the firewall" and every one had to be engineered to match the vehicle.
Back when the Ford Festiva/Aspire was a thing, it was common for Miata owners to swap in the Festiva engine (or simply the 2V heads) for a significant bump in fuel economy, at the expense of power, of course. Hotrodders who thought a Festiva was a good place to start a performance build were all too happy to take those 4V heads off them. In that case the transmissions were electrically compatible, so the harness stayed with the engine.
Done competently, an engine change is smog legal in California. (In the Miata/Festiva case, both directions, heck, you can out a 'Vette LS1 in a Festiva and pass smog. Really, smog quotas are by year, not vehicle weight.)
* they're in Detroit. Really. All the world's makers have engineering departments in the Detroit suburbs, including makers who don't even build for the North American market. Both for the talent pool and the prototyping capability, and all the world's suppliers also have offices there. It's the Davos of cars.
add a comment |
I've done this on more than one occasion.
Change the rear axle/differential/final drive
This is a gear with a ratio of typically 2.73:1 through 5.00:1. It is located in either
- your live rear axle, if that is one big assembly
- your rear gearbox, if your car has indepenent rear suspension (quartershafts coming out of the central pig)
- the bottom of your front-wheel-drive transmission, which will involve tearing down the transmission to access. In this case, a gear ratio change might not be practicable or possible.
You aren't going to get a 30% ratio bump this way. But you won't have any trouble getting around a 10% bump, and I have serious doubts that you would want more. The people* who designed your car are not morons.
I've always driven more simple cars, so the rear end swaps I've done have always involved lugging a live rear axle through a junkyard after determining its ratio by spinning a wheel.
Change the transmission
This one is a little trickier because it involves lots and lots of really geeky research, especially if the car is post-1996. Also, this only works because it's a manual; automatics are very tightly integrated with the powertrain computer and would be a staggering challenge.
You need to search for a transmission that has all the features your car needs to physically fit
- the engine
- the frame
- the halfshafts
- the electrical controls needed by the OBD system, starter interlock, reverse switch, etc.
This requires a craft of skill that isn't necessarily anything like run-of-the-mill hotrodding. Pretty much, you will be locked into one vendor, and it will just be a matter of figuring out which junkyard pick has the transmission you need.
Getting the electricals right is critical, both so the car works (reverse lights come on), and so it'll pass smog in the 12 states and not blow SES ligts. It's important not to just "put up with" the SES light being on 24x7, you want the SES light cleared so it can warn you about a new, genuine problem.
Add an external overdrive unit
This is an obsolete method and only works on RWD cars, so I will just touch on it.
Change the engine
Really. Smog legal and all. Broadly, you are allowed to put any engine in your car where service class is yours or better (car engine in truck, ok) and engine year >= car year.
Realistically in this day and age with OBDII and smog, that involves changing the entire powertrain, cutting at the fuel line, halfshaft, battery terminals and radiator hoses. I've done this too across wildly different model lines, and it's a PitA/ labor of love (you couldn't possibly pay someone to do this exceptionally tedious and research-driven work). Even though I did not touch the powertrain package at all, there were still like 20 circuits that "came through the firewall" and every one had to be engineered to match the vehicle.
Back when the Ford Festiva/Aspire was a thing, it was common for Miata owners to swap in the Festiva engine (or simply the 2V heads) for a significant bump in fuel economy, at the expense of power, of course. Hotrodders who thought a Festiva was a good place to start a performance build were all too happy to take those 4V heads off them. In that case the transmissions were electrically compatible, so the harness stayed with the engine.
Done competently, an engine change is smog legal in California. (In the Miata/Festiva case, both directions, heck, you can out a 'Vette LS1 in a Festiva and pass smog. Really, smog quotas are by year, not vehicle weight.)
* they're in Detroit. Really. All the world's makers have engineering departments in the Detroit suburbs, including makers who don't even build for the North American market. Both for the talent pool and the prototyping capability, and all the world's suppliers also have offices there. It's the Davos of cars.
I've done this on more than one occasion.
Change the rear axle/differential/final drive
This is a gear with a ratio of typically 2.73:1 through 5.00:1. It is located in either
- your live rear axle, if that is one big assembly
- your rear gearbox, if your car has indepenent rear suspension (quartershafts coming out of the central pig)
- the bottom of your front-wheel-drive transmission, which will involve tearing down the transmission to access. In this case, a gear ratio change might not be practicable or possible.
You aren't going to get a 30% ratio bump this way. But you won't have any trouble getting around a 10% bump, and I have serious doubts that you would want more. The people* who designed your car are not morons.
I've always driven more simple cars, so the rear end swaps I've done have always involved lugging a live rear axle through a junkyard after determining its ratio by spinning a wheel.
Change the transmission
This one is a little trickier because it involves lots and lots of really geeky research, especially if the car is post-1996. Also, this only works because it's a manual; automatics are very tightly integrated with the powertrain computer and would be a staggering challenge.
You need to search for a transmission that has all the features your car needs to physically fit
- the engine
- the frame
- the halfshafts
- the electrical controls needed by the OBD system, starter interlock, reverse switch, etc.
This requires a craft of skill that isn't necessarily anything like run-of-the-mill hotrodding. Pretty much, you will be locked into one vendor, and it will just be a matter of figuring out which junkyard pick has the transmission you need.
Getting the electricals right is critical, both so the car works (reverse lights come on), and so it'll pass smog in the 12 states and not blow SES ligts. It's important not to just "put up with" the SES light being on 24x7, you want the SES light cleared so it can warn you about a new, genuine problem.
Add an external overdrive unit
This is an obsolete method and only works on RWD cars, so I will just touch on it.
Change the engine
Really. Smog legal and all. Broadly, you are allowed to put any engine in your car where service class is yours or better (car engine in truck, ok) and engine year >= car year.
Realistically in this day and age with OBDII and smog, that involves changing the entire powertrain, cutting at the fuel line, halfshaft, battery terminals and radiator hoses. I've done this too across wildly different model lines, and it's a PitA/ labor of love (you couldn't possibly pay someone to do this exceptionally tedious and research-driven work). Even though I did not touch the powertrain package at all, there were still like 20 circuits that "came through the firewall" and every one had to be engineered to match the vehicle.
Back when the Ford Festiva/Aspire was a thing, it was common for Miata owners to swap in the Festiva engine (or simply the 2V heads) for a significant bump in fuel economy, at the expense of power, of course. Hotrodders who thought a Festiva was a good place to start a performance build were all too happy to take those 4V heads off them. In that case the transmissions were electrically compatible, so the harness stayed with the engine.
Done competently, an engine change is smog legal in California. (In the Miata/Festiva case, both directions, heck, you can out a 'Vette LS1 in a Festiva and pass smog. Really, smog quotas are by year, not vehicle weight.)
* they're in Detroit. Really. All the world's makers have engineering departments in the Detroit suburbs, including makers who don't even build for the North American market. Both for the talent pool and the prototyping capability, and all the world's suppliers also have offices there. It's the Davos of cars.
edited Dec 19 at 20:31
answered Dec 19 at 20:19
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Highway speeds are part of the tests for fuel consumption and emissions. If the fuel consumption of your car at highway speeds would significantly improve from lower rpms, the manufacturer would already have adjusted the 6th gear for this. It is likely that the load on the engine at these speeds does not match very well with the engine characteristics at 1400rpm.
– MadMarky
Dec 17 at 16:04
1
My car 6th gear is about 80mph at 2000rpm... And will still accelerate reasonably...
– Solar Mike
Dec 17 at 18:07
1
@MadMarky Not likely. They probably test "highway speeds", not (real) highway speeds.
– Apollys
Dec 17 at 22:16
3
What do you mean, theoretically add a 7th gear? Do you mean the opposite - practically? How to actually make a 6-speed a 7-speed? or theoretically, how to construct a 7-speed gearbox and which components you need to add? Are you asking figuratively, how to - in essence - make the gear box behave as if it had a higher ratio? I don't understand, and by the spread of the answers, others are struggling as well.
– Stian Yttervik
Dec 18 at 10:30
1
This is secondhand but when I was researching some maintenance on my old Saturn I came across a forum post of someone stating they had swapped their tallest gear out to get better fuel economy. It appears it was at least possible on 90's cars. That said cars today would probably be very very confused due to the increase in computer use. saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105555
– Sidney
Dec 18 at 20:46