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Suppose the diagonal of a 3 dimentional box has length 10, what is its maximum perimeter length?



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let the three edges of the box adjacent to a vertex be labelled $a,b,c$. Then by cauchy-schwarts inequality, we have the size of the perimeters of the box is $4* langle(1,1,1),(a,b,c)rangle le 4*sqrt(a^2+b^2+c^2)*sqrt(1^2+1^2+1^2)=4*10*sqrt(3) $. Hence we know that the size of the perimeter of the box is bounded by $40*sqrt(3)$. Then I still need to find an actual box with perimeter that value and with the size of its diagonal equals to 10.










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    Suppose the diagonal of a 3 dimentional box has length 10, what is its maximum perimeter length?



    Here is my solution:
    let the three edges of the box adjacent to a vertex be labelled $a,b,c$. Then by cauchy-schwarts inequality, we have the size of the perimeters of the box is $4* langle(1,1,1),(a,b,c)rangle le 4*sqrt(a^2+b^2+c^2)*sqrt(1^2+1^2+1^2)=4*10*sqrt(3) $. Hence we know that the size of the perimeter of the box is bounded by $40*sqrt(3)$. Then I still need to find an actual box with perimeter that value and with the size of its diagonal equals to 10.










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      Suppose the diagonal of a 3 dimentional box has length 10, what is its maximum perimeter length?



      Here is my solution:
      let the three edges of the box adjacent to a vertex be labelled $a,b,c$. Then by cauchy-schwarts inequality, we have the size of the perimeters of the box is $4* langle(1,1,1),(a,b,c)rangle le 4*sqrt(a^2+b^2+c^2)*sqrt(1^2+1^2+1^2)=4*10*sqrt(3) $. Hence we know that the size of the perimeter of the box is bounded by $40*sqrt(3)$. Then I still need to find an actual box with perimeter that value and with the size of its diagonal equals to 10.










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      Suppose the diagonal of a 3 dimentional box has length 10, what is its maximum perimeter length?



      Here is my solution:
      let the three edges of the box adjacent to a vertex be labelled $a,b,c$. Then by cauchy-schwarts inequality, we have the size of the perimeters of the box is $4* langle(1,1,1),(a,b,c)rangle le 4*sqrt(a^2+b^2+c^2)*sqrt(1^2+1^2+1^2)=4*10*sqrt(3) $. Hence we know that the size of the perimeter of the box is bounded by $40*sqrt(3)$. Then I still need to find an actual box with perimeter that value and with the size of its diagonal equals to 10.







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          You want to maximise $a+b+c$ subject to the constraint $a^2+b^2+c^2=100$. This constraint is the surface of a sphere with radius $10$, so it is fairly clear from geometrical considerations that the maximum occurs when $a=b=c=sqrt{frac{10}{3}}$.



          To show this formally, we can use Lagrange multipliers: let $f(a,b,c)=a+b+c$ and $g(a,b,c)=a^2+b^2+c^2-100$. Then we have to find $lambda,a,b,c$ such that the Lagrange function



          $$left(frac{partial f}{partial a},frac{partial f}{partial b},frac{partial f}{partial c}right)-lambdaleft(frac{partial g}{partial a},frac{partial g}{partial b},frac{partial g}{partial c}right)$$
          is zero. This gives
          $$(1,1,1)-lambda(2a,2b,2c)=0$$
          So $$a=b=c=frac{1}{2lambda}$$
          The constraint $g(a,b,c)=0$ gives us $lambda=pmsqrt{frac{3}{40}}$, and we get the solutions
          $$(a,b,c)=left(sqrt{frac{10}{3}},sqrt{frac{10}{3}},sqrt{frac{10}{3}}right)$$
          and
          $$(a,b,c)=left(-sqrt{frac{10}{3}},-sqrt{frac{10}{3}},-sqrt{frac{10}{3}}right)$$



          corresponding to the maximum and minimum values of $a+b+c$.






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            hint



            $$L^2+l^2=D^2=100$$



            the perimeter is



            $$P=2(L+l)$$



            Let maximise $P^2$.



            $$P^2=400+4Lsqrt{100-L^2}$$



            Solve for $L$ the equation
            $$P'(L)=0$$



            which gives



            $$sqrt{100-L^2}-frac{2L^2}{2sqrt{100-L^2}}=0$$



            You should find $$L=5sqrt{2}=l$$



            It is a square of maximal perimeter $$P_{max}=20sqrt{2}$$






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            • The question asks about a 3-dimensional box, not a 2-dimensional rectangle.
              – TonyK
              Nov 14 at 13:02










            • @TonyK What is the perimeter of a 3D box.
              – hamam_Abdallah
              2 days ago











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            You want to maximise $a+b+c$ subject to the constraint $a^2+b^2+c^2=100$. This constraint is the surface of a sphere with radius $10$, so it is fairly clear from geometrical considerations that the maximum occurs when $a=b=c=sqrt{frac{10}{3}}$.



            To show this formally, we can use Lagrange multipliers: let $f(a,b,c)=a+b+c$ and $g(a,b,c)=a^2+b^2+c^2-100$. Then we have to find $lambda,a,b,c$ such that the Lagrange function



            $$left(frac{partial f}{partial a},frac{partial f}{partial b},frac{partial f}{partial c}right)-lambdaleft(frac{partial g}{partial a},frac{partial g}{partial b},frac{partial g}{partial c}right)$$
            is zero. This gives
            $$(1,1,1)-lambda(2a,2b,2c)=0$$
            So $$a=b=c=frac{1}{2lambda}$$
            The constraint $g(a,b,c)=0$ gives us $lambda=pmsqrt{frac{3}{40}}$, and we get the solutions
            $$(a,b,c)=left(sqrt{frac{10}{3}},sqrt{frac{10}{3}},sqrt{frac{10}{3}}right)$$
            and
            $$(a,b,c)=left(-sqrt{frac{10}{3}},-sqrt{frac{10}{3}},-sqrt{frac{10}{3}}right)$$



            corresponding to the maximum and minimum values of $a+b+c$.






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              You want to maximise $a+b+c$ subject to the constraint $a^2+b^2+c^2=100$. This constraint is the surface of a sphere with radius $10$, so it is fairly clear from geometrical considerations that the maximum occurs when $a=b=c=sqrt{frac{10}{3}}$.



              To show this formally, we can use Lagrange multipliers: let $f(a,b,c)=a+b+c$ and $g(a,b,c)=a^2+b^2+c^2-100$. Then we have to find $lambda,a,b,c$ such that the Lagrange function



              $$left(frac{partial f}{partial a},frac{partial f}{partial b},frac{partial f}{partial c}right)-lambdaleft(frac{partial g}{partial a},frac{partial g}{partial b},frac{partial g}{partial c}right)$$
              is zero. This gives
              $$(1,1,1)-lambda(2a,2b,2c)=0$$
              So $$a=b=c=frac{1}{2lambda}$$
              The constraint $g(a,b,c)=0$ gives us $lambda=pmsqrt{frac{3}{40}}$, and we get the solutions
              $$(a,b,c)=left(sqrt{frac{10}{3}},sqrt{frac{10}{3}},sqrt{frac{10}{3}}right)$$
              and
              $$(a,b,c)=left(-sqrt{frac{10}{3}},-sqrt{frac{10}{3}},-sqrt{frac{10}{3}}right)$$



              corresponding to the maximum and minimum values of $a+b+c$.






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                You want to maximise $a+b+c$ subject to the constraint $a^2+b^2+c^2=100$. This constraint is the surface of a sphere with radius $10$, so it is fairly clear from geometrical considerations that the maximum occurs when $a=b=c=sqrt{frac{10}{3}}$.



                To show this formally, we can use Lagrange multipliers: let $f(a,b,c)=a+b+c$ and $g(a,b,c)=a^2+b^2+c^2-100$. Then we have to find $lambda,a,b,c$ such that the Lagrange function



                $$left(frac{partial f}{partial a},frac{partial f}{partial b},frac{partial f}{partial c}right)-lambdaleft(frac{partial g}{partial a},frac{partial g}{partial b},frac{partial g}{partial c}right)$$
                is zero. This gives
                $$(1,1,1)-lambda(2a,2b,2c)=0$$
                So $$a=b=c=frac{1}{2lambda}$$
                The constraint $g(a,b,c)=0$ gives us $lambda=pmsqrt{frac{3}{40}}$, and we get the solutions
                $$(a,b,c)=left(sqrt{frac{10}{3}},sqrt{frac{10}{3}},sqrt{frac{10}{3}}right)$$
                and
                $$(a,b,c)=left(-sqrt{frac{10}{3}},-sqrt{frac{10}{3}},-sqrt{frac{10}{3}}right)$$



                corresponding to the maximum and minimum values of $a+b+c$.






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                You want to maximise $a+b+c$ subject to the constraint $a^2+b^2+c^2=100$. This constraint is the surface of a sphere with radius $10$, so it is fairly clear from geometrical considerations that the maximum occurs when $a=b=c=sqrt{frac{10}{3}}$.



                To show this formally, we can use Lagrange multipliers: let $f(a,b,c)=a+b+c$ and $g(a,b,c)=a^2+b^2+c^2-100$. Then we have to find $lambda,a,b,c$ such that the Lagrange function



                $$left(frac{partial f}{partial a},frac{partial f}{partial b},frac{partial f}{partial c}right)-lambdaleft(frac{partial g}{partial a},frac{partial g}{partial b},frac{partial g}{partial c}right)$$
                is zero. This gives
                $$(1,1,1)-lambda(2a,2b,2c)=0$$
                So $$a=b=c=frac{1}{2lambda}$$
                The constraint $g(a,b,c)=0$ gives us $lambda=pmsqrt{frac{3}{40}}$, and we get the solutions
                $$(a,b,c)=left(sqrt{frac{10}{3}},sqrt{frac{10}{3}},sqrt{frac{10}{3}}right)$$
                and
                $$(a,b,c)=left(-sqrt{frac{10}{3}},-sqrt{frac{10}{3}},-sqrt{frac{10}{3}}right)$$



                corresponding to the maximum and minimum values of $a+b+c$.







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                    hint



                    $$L^2+l^2=D^2=100$$



                    the perimeter is



                    $$P=2(L+l)$$



                    Let maximise $P^2$.



                    $$P^2=400+4Lsqrt{100-L^2}$$



                    Solve for $L$ the equation
                    $$P'(L)=0$$



                    which gives



                    $$sqrt{100-L^2}-frac{2L^2}{2sqrt{100-L^2}}=0$$



                    You should find $$L=5sqrt{2}=l$$



                    It is a square of maximal perimeter $$P_{max}=20sqrt{2}$$






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                    • The question asks about a 3-dimensional box, not a 2-dimensional rectangle.
                      – TonyK
                      Nov 14 at 13:02










                    • @TonyK What is the perimeter of a 3D box.
                      – hamam_Abdallah
                      2 days ago















                    up vote
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                    hint



                    $$L^2+l^2=D^2=100$$



                    the perimeter is



                    $$P=2(L+l)$$



                    Let maximise $P^2$.



                    $$P^2=400+4Lsqrt{100-L^2}$$



                    Solve for $L$ the equation
                    $$P'(L)=0$$



                    which gives



                    $$sqrt{100-L^2}-frac{2L^2}{2sqrt{100-L^2}}=0$$



                    You should find $$L=5sqrt{2}=l$$



                    It is a square of maximal perimeter $$P_{max}=20sqrt{2}$$






                    share|cite|improve this answer























                    • The question asks about a 3-dimensional box, not a 2-dimensional rectangle.
                      – TonyK
                      Nov 14 at 13:02










                    • @TonyK What is the perimeter of a 3D box.
                      – hamam_Abdallah
                      2 days ago













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                    hint



                    $$L^2+l^2=D^2=100$$



                    the perimeter is



                    $$P=2(L+l)$$



                    Let maximise $P^2$.



                    $$P^2=400+4Lsqrt{100-L^2}$$



                    Solve for $L$ the equation
                    $$P'(L)=0$$



                    which gives



                    $$sqrt{100-L^2}-frac{2L^2}{2sqrt{100-L^2}}=0$$



                    You should find $$L=5sqrt{2}=l$$



                    It is a square of maximal perimeter $$P_{max}=20sqrt{2}$$






                    share|cite|improve this answer














                    hint



                    $$L^2+l^2=D^2=100$$



                    the perimeter is



                    $$P=2(L+l)$$



                    Let maximise $P^2$.



                    $$P^2=400+4Lsqrt{100-L^2}$$



                    Solve for $L$ the equation
                    $$P'(L)=0$$



                    which gives



                    $$sqrt{100-L^2}-frac{2L^2}{2sqrt{100-L^2}}=0$$



                    You should find $$L=5sqrt{2}=l$$



                    It is a square of maximal perimeter $$P_{max}=20sqrt{2}$$







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                    • The question asks about a 3-dimensional box, not a 2-dimensional rectangle.
                      – TonyK
                      Nov 14 at 13:02










                    • @TonyK What is the perimeter of a 3D box.
                      – hamam_Abdallah
                      2 days ago


















                    • The question asks about a 3-dimensional box, not a 2-dimensional rectangle.
                      – TonyK
                      Nov 14 at 13:02










                    • @TonyK What is the perimeter of a 3D box.
                      – hamam_Abdallah
                      2 days ago
















                    The question asks about a 3-dimensional box, not a 2-dimensional rectangle.
                    – TonyK
                    Nov 14 at 13:02




                    The question asks about a 3-dimensional box, not a 2-dimensional rectangle.
                    – TonyK
                    Nov 14 at 13:02












                    @TonyK What is the perimeter of a 3D box.
                    – hamam_Abdallah
                    2 days ago




                    @TonyK What is the perimeter of a 3D box.
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                    2 days ago


















                     

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