Irreducible polynomial in $F[x]$ of degree $n$ is the minimal polynomial of exactly $n$ elements of $L$.












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The problem goes like the following:




Let $F$ be a finite field, and $L/F$ an extension of degree $n$.



(a) Show that any irreducible polynomial in $F[x]$ of degree $n$ is the minimal polynomial of exactly $n$ elements of $L$.



(b) Suppose $|F|=p$. Determine, in terms of $p$, the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 3, and also the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 9, respectively.




My approach for (a) is: If $f(x)$ is an irreducible polynomial of degree $n$ in $F[x]$ and if $alphain L$ is a root of the polynomial, then we have $F(alpha)cong dfrac{F[x]}{(f(x))}$ and $[F(alpha):F]=n$. Since $[L:F]=n$, $L=F(alpha)$. I wanted to say that $L$ is Galois over $F$ so that it would contain all the roots of $f(x)$ and thus $f$ is irreducible and has exactly $n$ roots in $L$. But I don't know how to justify that $L/F$ is indeed a Galois extension. Also, it seems to me that if $|F|=p$, then $F=mathbb{F}_p$ and $L=mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ but I don't know if these would be helpful.



For part (b), using Mobius inversion formula, the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 3 is given by
$$frac{1}{3}sum_{d|3} mu(d)p^{3/d} = frac{1}{3}(p^3-p).$$
However, I don't think this would be the purpose of this problem. Now I've noted that $|L|=p^n$ as it can be viewed as a vector space over $F$ of dimension $n$. Using (a), since the irreducible polynomial in $F[x]$ of degree 3 is the minimal polynomial of 3 elements of $L$, there would be $dfrac{p^3}{3}$ such irreducible polynomials as $|L|=p^3$, which does not match with the result given by the Mobius inversion formula. Can someone help me out here? Many thanks!



Edit: I still need some help on proving part (a), though. If anyone has anything, please leave a comment or a solution. That would be really helpful!










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    @Lubin Thanks for the comment. Yeah, I've thought about that. But when I was considering the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 9, I get $(p^9-p)/9$ by the same reasoning, while the Mobius inversion formula gives $(p^9-p^3)/9$. Am I missing something in this case?
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    Well, once again, you have to exclude the elements in $Bbb F_{p^9}$ that are already in $Bbb F_{p^3}$. Remember that you want to count only the elements of the biggest field that aren’t in any smaller field.
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    @Lubin Ohhh, I see now. Thanks for pointing that out!
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The problem goes like the following:




Let $F$ be a finite field, and $L/F$ an extension of degree $n$.



(a) Show that any irreducible polynomial in $F[x]$ of degree $n$ is the minimal polynomial of exactly $n$ elements of $L$.



(b) Suppose $|F|=p$. Determine, in terms of $p$, the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 3, and also the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 9, respectively.




My approach for (a) is: If $f(x)$ is an irreducible polynomial of degree $n$ in $F[x]$ and if $alphain L$ is a root of the polynomial, then we have $F(alpha)cong dfrac{F[x]}{(f(x))}$ and $[F(alpha):F]=n$. Since $[L:F]=n$, $L=F(alpha)$. I wanted to say that $L$ is Galois over $F$ so that it would contain all the roots of $f(x)$ and thus $f$ is irreducible and has exactly $n$ roots in $L$. But I don't know how to justify that $L/F$ is indeed a Galois extension. Also, it seems to me that if $|F|=p$, then $F=mathbb{F}_p$ and $L=mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ but I don't know if these would be helpful.



For part (b), using Mobius inversion formula, the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 3 is given by
$$frac{1}{3}sum_{d|3} mu(d)p^{3/d} = frac{1}{3}(p^3-p).$$
However, I don't think this would be the purpose of this problem. Now I've noted that $|L|=p^n$ as it can be viewed as a vector space over $F$ of dimension $n$. Using (a), since the irreducible polynomial in $F[x]$ of degree 3 is the minimal polynomial of 3 elements of $L$, there would be $dfrac{p^3}{3}$ such irreducible polynomials as $|L|=p^3$, which does not match with the result given by the Mobius inversion formula. Can someone help me out here? Many thanks!



Edit: I still need some help on proving part (a), though. If anyone has anything, please leave a comment or a solution. That would be really helpful!










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    In your next-to-last sentence, you forgot to account for the $p$ elements of $L$ that are already in $F$. Their irreducibles are linear, and taking account of this, you again get a count of $(p^3-p)/3$
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    Jan 6 at 2:11










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    @Lubin Thanks for the comment. Yeah, I've thought about that. But when I was considering the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 9, I get $(p^9-p)/9$ by the same reasoning, while the Mobius inversion formula gives $(p^9-p^3)/9$. Am I missing something in this case?
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    Well, once again, you have to exclude the elements in $Bbb F_{p^9}$ that are already in $Bbb F_{p^3}$. Remember that you want to count only the elements of the biggest field that aren’t in any smaller field.
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    @Lubin Ohhh, I see now. Thanks for pointing that out!
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    Jan 6 at 2:55














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The problem goes like the following:




Let $F$ be a finite field, and $L/F$ an extension of degree $n$.



(a) Show that any irreducible polynomial in $F[x]$ of degree $n$ is the minimal polynomial of exactly $n$ elements of $L$.



(b) Suppose $|F|=p$. Determine, in terms of $p$, the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 3, and also the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 9, respectively.




My approach for (a) is: If $f(x)$ is an irreducible polynomial of degree $n$ in $F[x]$ and if $alphain L$ is a root of the polynomial, then we have $F(alpha)cong dfrac{F[x]}{(f(x))}$ and $[F(alpha):F]=n$. Since $[L:F]=n$, $L=F(alpha)$. I wanted to say that $L$ is Galois over $F$ so that it would contain all the roots of $f(x)$ and thus $f$ is irreducible and has exactly $n$ roots in $L$. But I don't know how to justify that $L/F$ is indeed a Galois extension. Also, it seems to me that if $|F|=p$, then $F=mathbb{F}_p$ and $L=mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ but I don't know if these would be helpful.



For part (b), using Mobius inversion formula, the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 3 is given by
$$frac{1}{3}sum_{d|3} mu(d)p^{3/d} = frac{1}{3}(p^3-p).$$
However, I don't think this would be the purpose of this problem. Now I've noted that $|L|=p^n$ as it can be viewed as a vector space over $F$ of dimension $n$. Using (a), since the irreducible polynomial in $F[x]$ of degree 3 is the minimal polynomial of 3 elements of $L$, there would be $dfrac{p^3}{3}$ such irreducible polynomials as $|L|=p^3$, which does not match with the result given by the Mobius inversion formula. Can someone help me out here? Many thanks!



Edit: I still need some help on proving part (a), though. If anyone has anything, please leave a comment or a solution. That would be really helpful!










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The problem goes like the following:




Let $F$ be a finite field, and $L/F$ an extension of degree $n$.



(a) Show that any irreducible polynomial in $F[x]$ of degree $n$ is the minimal polynomial of exactly $n$ elements of $L$.



(b) Suppose $|F|=p$. Determine, in terms of $p$, the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 3, and also the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 9, respectively.




My approach for (a) is: If $f(x)$ is an irreducible polynomial of degree $n$ in $F[x]$ and if $alphain L$ is a root of the polynomial, then we have $F(alpha)cong dfrac{F[x]}{(f(x))}$ and $[F(alpha):F]=n$. Since $[L:F]=n$, $L=F(alpha)$. I wanted to say that $L$ is Galois over $F$ so that it would contain all the roots of $f(x)$ and thus $f$ is irreducible and has exactly $n$ roots in $L$. But I don't know how to justify that $L/F$ is indeed a Galois extension. Also, it seems to me that if $|F|=p$, then $F=mathbb{F}_p$ and $L=mathbb{F}_{p^n}$ but I don't know if these would be helpful.



For part (b), using Mobius inversion formula, the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 3 is given by
$$frac{1}{3}sum_{d|3} mu(d)p^{3/d} = frac{1}{3}(p^3-p).$$
However, I don't think this would be the purpose of this problem. Now I've noted that $|L|=p^n$ as it can be viewed as a vector space over $F$ of dimension $n$. Using (a), since the irreducible polynomial in $F[x]$ of degree 3 is the minimal polynomial of 3 elements of $L$, there would be $dfrac{p^3}{3}$ such irreducible polynomials as $|L|=p^3$, which does not match with the result given by the Mobius inversion formula. Can someone help me out here? Many thanks!



Edit: I still need some help on proving part (a), though. If anyone has anything, please leave a comment or a solution. That would be really helpful!







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    In your next-to-last sentence, you forgot to account for the $p$ elements of $L$ that are already in $F$. Their irreducibles are linear, and taking account of this, you again get a count of $(p^3-p)/3$
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    @Lubin Thanks for the comment. Yeah, I've thought about that. But when I was considering the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 9, I get $(p^9-p)/9$ by the same reasoning, while the Mobius inversion formula gives $(p^9-p^3)/9$. Am I missing something in this case?
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    Well, once again, you have to exclude the elements in $Bbb F_{p^9}$ that are already in $Bbb F_{p^3}$. Remember that you want to count only the elements of the biggest field that aren’t in any smaller field.
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    @Lubin Ohhh, I see now. Thanks for pointing that out!
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    $begingroup$
    In your next-to-last sentence, you forgot to account for the $p$ elements of $L$ that are already in $F$. Their irreducibles are linear, and taking account of this, you again get a count of $(p^3-p)/3$
    $endgroup$
    – Lubin
    Jan 6 at 2:11










  • $begingroup$
    @Lubin Thanks for the comment. Yeah, I've thought about that. But when I was considering the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 9, I get $(p^9-p)/9$ by the same reasoning, while the Mobius inversion formula gives $(p^9-p^3)/9$. Am I missing something in this case?
    $endgroup$
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    Jan 6 at 2:15








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    $begingroup$
    Well, once again, you have to exclude the elements in $Bbb F_{p^9}$ that are already in $Bbb F_{p^3}$. Remember that you want to count only the elements of the biggest field that aren’t in any smaller field.
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    – Lubin
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    @Lubin Ohhh, I see now. Thanks for pointing that out!
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In your next-to-last sentence, you forgot to account for the $p$ elements of $L$ that are already in $F$. Their irreducibles are linear, and taking account of this, you again get a count of $(p^3-p)/3$
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– Lubin
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$begingroup$
In your next-to-last sentence, you forgot to account for the $p$ elements of $L$ that are already in $F$. Their irreducibles are linear, and taking account of this, you again get a count of $(p^3-p)/3$
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$begingroup$
@Lubin Thanks for the comment. Yeah, I've thought about that. But when I was considering the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 9, I get $(p^9-p)/9$ by the same reasoning, while the Mobius inversion formula gives $(p^9-p^3)/9$. Am I missing something in this case?
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– Alex
Jan 6 at 2:15






$begingroup$
@Lubin Thanks for the comment. Yeah, I've thought about that. But when I was considering the number of irreducible polynomials in $F[x]$ of degree 9, I get $(p^9-p)/9$ by the same reasoning, while the Mobius inversion formula gives $(p^9-p^3)/9$. Am I missing something in this case?
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– Alex
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Well, once again, you have to exclude the elements in $Bbb F_{p^9}$ that are already in $Bbb F_{p^3}$. Remember that you want to count only the elements of the biggest field that aren’t in any smaller field.
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– Lubin
Jan 6 at 2:22






$begingroup$
Well, once again, you have to exclude the elements in $Bbb F_{p^9}$ that are already in $Bbb F_{p^3}$. Remember that you want to count only the elements of the biggest field that aren’t in any smaller field.
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@Lubin Ohhh, I see now. Thanks for pointing that out!
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First, Part (a):



Proof: Suppose $|F| = q$ (note that here $q$ is not necessarily a prime so in turn not necessarily a prime subfield of a finite field, it could be a power of prime, since any finite field is isomorphic to $mathbb{F}_{p^r}$ for some prime $p$ and integre $rge 1$), and suppose $L/F$ is an extension of degree $n$, i.e. $[L:F]=n$. Viewing $L$ as a vector space over $F$ of dimension $n$, we see that $|L| = q^n$. This says that $L cong mathbb{F}_{q^n}$. We claim that $L/F$ is a Galois extension. Note that $L^{times}$ (is cyclic being the mutiplicative group of $L$, which is finite) has order $q^n-1$. So for any $thetain L$,
$$theta^{q^n-1}=1implies theta^{q^n}=thetaimplies text{$theta$ is a root of the separable polynomial (by derivative test) $x^{q^n}-x$ over $F$.} $$
Therefore, $L$ is a subfield of the splitting field of $x^{q^n}-x$ hence is the splitting field as $|L|=q^n$. So such $L$ (an extension of $F$) exists and is Galois (also we have, by definition, $|$Gal$(L/F)|=[L:F]=n$).



Now suppose that $f(x)in F[x]$ is an irreducible polynomial of degree $n$ having $alphain Lsetminus F$ as a root. Then all roots of $f$ are contained in $L$ since the extension is Galois. These $n$ roots are distinct elements in $L$ since $f$ is irreducible over a perfect field (namely, the finite field $F$) thus separable. It then follows that $f$ is the irreducible polynomial for the $n$ roots in $L$ and so $f$ is the minimal polynomial of $n$ elements of $L$. (a) is proved.



Part (b) is solved (see the comments given by Lubin above).






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    Well, since no solution so far has been posted, I'll give what I figured out.



    First, Part (a):



    Proof: Suppose $|F| = q$ (note that here $q$ is not necessarily a prime so in turn not necessarily a prime subfield of a finite field, it could be a power of prime, since any finite field is isomorphic to $mathbb{F}_{p^r}$ for some prime $p$ and integre $rge 1$), and suppose $L/F$ is an extension of degree $n$, i.e. $[L:F]=n$. Viewing $L$ as a vector space over $F$ of dimension $n$, we see that $|L| = q^n$. This says that $L cong mathbb{F}_{q^n}$. We claim that $L/F$ is a Galois extension. Note that $L^{times}$ (is cyclic being the mutiplicative group of $L$, which is finite) has order $q^n-1$. So for any $thetain L$,
    $$theta^{q^n-1}=1implies theta^{q^n}=thetaimplies text{$theta$ is a root of the separable polynomial (by derivative test) $x^{q^n}-x$ over $F$.} $$
    Therefore, $L$ is a subfield of the splitting field of $x^{q^n}-x$ hence is the splitting field as $|L|=q^n$. So such $L$ (an extension of $F$) exists and is Galois (also we have, by definition, $|$Gal$(L/F)|=[L:F]=n$).



    Now suppose that $f(x)in F[x]$ is an irreducible polynomial of degree $n$ having $alphain Lsetminus F$ as a root. Then all roots of $f$ are contained in $L$ since the extension is Galois. These $n$ roots are distinct elements in $L$ since $f$ is irreducible over a perfect field (namely, the finite field $F$) thus separable. It then follows that $f$ is the irreducible polynomial for the $n$ roots in $L$ and so $f$ is the minimal polynomial of $n$ elements of $L$. (a) is proved.



    Part (b) is solved (see the comments given by Lubin above).






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      Well, since no solution so far has been posted, I'll give what I figured out.



      First, Part (a):



      Proof: Suppose $|F| = q$ (note that here $q$ is not necessarily a prime so in turn not necessarily a prime subfield of a finite field, it could be a power of prime, since any finite field is isomorphic to $mathbb{F}_{p^r}$ for some prime $p$ and integre $rge 1$), and suppose $L/F$ is an extension of degree $n$, i.e. $[L:F]=n$. Viewing $L$ as a vector space over $F$ of dimension $n$, we see that $|L| = q^n$. This says that $L cong mathbb{F}_{q^n}$. We claim that $L/F$ is a Galois extension. Note that $L^{times}$ (is cyclic being the mutiplicative group of $L$, which is finite) has order $q^n-1$. So for any $thetain L$,
      $$theta^{q^n-1}=1implies theta^{q^n}=thetaimplies text{$theta$ is a root of the separable polynomial (by derivative test) $x^{q^n}-x$ over $F$.} $$
      Therefore, $L$ is a subfield of the splitting field of $x^{q^n}-x$ hence is the splitting field as $|L|=q^n$. So such $L$ (an extension of $F$) exists and is Galois (also we have, by definition, $|$Gal$(L/F)|=[L:F]=n$).



      Now suppose that $f(x)in F[x]$ is an irreducible polynomial of degree $n$ having $alphain Lsetminus F$ as a root. Then all roots of $f$ are contained in $L$ since the extension is Galois. These $n$ roots are distinct elements in $L$ since $f$ is irreducible over a perfect field (namely, the finite field $F$) thus separable. It then follows that $f$ is the irreducible polynomial for the $n$ roots in $L$ and so $f$ is the minimal polynomial of $n$ elements of $L$. (a) is proved.



      Part (b) is solved (see the comments given by Lubin above).






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        Well, since no solution so far has been posted, I'll give what I figured out.



        First, Part (a):



        Proof: Suppose $|F| = q$ (note that here $q$ is not necessarily a prime so in turn not necessarily a prime subfield of a finite field, it could be a power of prime, since any finite field is isomorphic to $mathbb{F}_{p^r}$ for some prime $p$ and integre $rge 1$), and suppose $L/F$ is an extension of degree $n$, i.e. $[L:F]=n$. Viewing $L$ as a vector space over $F$ of dimension $n$, we see that $|L| = q^n$. This says that $L cong mathbb{F}_{q^n}$. We claim that $L/F$ is a Galois extension. Note that $L^{times}$ (is cyclic being the mutiplicative group of $L$, which is finite) has order $q^n-1$. So for any $thetain L$,
        $$theta^{q^n-1}=1implies theta^{q^n}=thetaimplies text{$theta$ is a root of the separable polynomial (by derivative test) $x^{q^n}-x$ over $F$.} $$
        Therefore, $L$ is a subfield of the splitting field of $x^{q^n}-x$ hence is the splitting field as $|L|=q^n$. So such $L$ (an extension of $F$) exists and is Galois (also we have, by definition, $|$Gal$(L/F)|=[L:F]=n$).



        Now suppose that $f(x)in F[x]$ is an irreducible polynomial of degree $n$ having $alphain Lsetminus F$ as a root. Then all roots of $f$ are contained in $L$ since the extension is Galois. These $n$ roots are distinct elements in $L$ since $f$ is irreducible over a perfect field (namely, the finite field $F$) thus separable. It then follows that $f$ is the irreducible polynomial for the $n$ roots in $L$ and so $f$ is the minimal polynomial of $n$ elements of $L$. (a) is proved.



        Part (b) is solved (see the comments given by Lubin above).






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        Well, since no solution so far has been posted, I'll give what I figured out.



        First, Part (a):



        Proof: Suppose $|F| = q$ (note that here $q$ is not necessarily a prime so in turn not necessarily a prime subfield of a finite field, it could be a power of prime, since any finite field is isomorphic to $mathbb{F}_{p^r}$ for some prime $p$ and integre $rge 1$), and suppose $L/F$ is an extension of degree $n$, i.e. $[L:F]=n$. Viewing $L$ as a vector space over $F$ of dimension $n$, we see that $|L| = q^n$. This says that $L cong mathbb{F}_{q^n}$. We claim that $L/F$ is a Galois extension. Note that $L^{times}$ (is cyclic being the mutiplicative group of $L$, which is finite) has order $q^n-1$. So for any $thetain L$,
        $$theta^{q^n-1}=1implies theta^{q^n}=thetaimplies text{$theta$ is a root of the separable polynomial (by derivative test) $x^{q^n}-x$ over $F$.} $$
        Therefore, $L$ is a subfield of the splitting field of $x^{q^n}-x$ hence is the splitting field as $|L|=q^n$. So such $L$ (an extension of $F$) exists and is Galois (also we have, by definition, $|$Gal$(L/F)|=[L:F]=n$).



        Now suppose that $f(x)in F[x]$ is an irreducible polynomial of degree $n$ having $alphain Lsetminus F$ as a root. Then all roots of $f$ are contained in $L$ since the extension is Galois. These $n$ roots are distinct elements in $L$ since $f$ is irreducible over a perfect field (namely, the finite field $F$) thus separable. It then follows that $f$ is the irreducible polynomial for the $n$ roots in $L$ and so $f$ is the minimal polynomial of $n$ elements of $L$. (a) is proved.



        Part (b) is solved (see the comments given by Lubin above).







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