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So my friend asked me this random maths question - heres the scenario - an alien fleet fires 6 billion bombs onto a perfectly sphircal flat planet that has a surface area 5 trillion. each bomb has a radius of 5. if all bombs fall the exact same distance apart what is the distance between each blast.



i worked it out by getting total are of explosion (6 X 78.5) = 471(X10^9)
5000 - 471 = 4529(X10^9)
4529(X10^9) / 6(X10^9) = 754.833M



now im 90% sure that im wrong because what i found is the area left not touched by explosion per bomb not the distance between said circles










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    I don't understand your workings. First of all, please use MathJax to typeset the equation correctly. Please don't use "X" for multiplication. For example, in the very beginning, what is this $78.5$ that you're multiplying with?
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  • And what is a "spherical flat planet"? Is it the same as just "spherical"?
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  • So I'm guessing you calculated that the area covered by one bomb is $$ pi r^2 = pi times 5^2 approx 78.53 $$ And then you multiplied this by six billion. That's the total area covered by the bombs. And then what?
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  • i deducted that from the total area of of the sphere which gave me the 4529, also sorry new to the forum dont know how to use MathJax
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  • 2r + X = Y where X is the distance between circles and Y is the distance between center points, the diagonal wont be the same as vertical or horizontal so i tried using pytagaros to figure it out but got no where cos i dont have actual points to plot them on a graph
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So my friend asked me this random maths question - heres the scenario - an alien fleet fires 6 billion bombs onto a perfectly sphircal flat planet that has a surface area 5 trillion. each bomb has a radius of 5. if all bombs fall the exact same distance apart what is the distance between each blast.



i worked it out by getting total are of explosion (6 X 78.5) = 471(X10^9)
5000 - 471 = 4529(X10^9)
4529(X10^9) / 6(X10^9) = 754.833M



now im 90% sure that im wrong because what i found is the area left not touched by explosion per bomb not the distance between said circles










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    I don't understand your workings. First of all, please use MathJax to typeset the equation correctly. Please don't use "X" for multiplication. For example, in the very beginning, what is this $78.5$ that you're multiplying with?
    – Matti P.
    Nov 23 at 12:26










  • And what is a "spherical flat planet"? Is it the same as just "spherical"?
    – Matti P.
    Nov 23 at 12:29










  • So I'm guessing you calculated that the area covered by one bomb is $$ pi r^2 = pi times 5^2 approx 78.53 $$ And then you multiplied this by six billion. That's the total area covered by the bombs. And then what?
    – Matti P.
    Nov 23 at 12:52












  • i deducted that from the total area of of the sphere which gave me the 4529, also sorry new to the forum dont know how to use MathJax
    – AbsurdHero
    Nov 23 at 13:52












  • 2r + X = Y where X is the distance between circles and Y is the distance between center points, the diagonal wont be the same as vertical or horizontal so i tried using pytagaros to figure it out but got no where cos i dont have actual points to plot them on a graph
    – AbsurdHero
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So my friend asked me this random maths question - heres the scenario - an alien fleet fires 6 billion bombs onto a perfectly sphircal flat planet that has a surface area 5 trillion. each bomb has a radius of 5. if all bombs fall the exact same distance apart what is the distance between each blast.



i worked it out by getting total are of explosion (6 X 78.5) = 471(X10^9)
5000 - 471 = 4529(X10^9)
4529(X10^9) / 6(X10^9) = 754.833M



now im 90% sure that im wrong because what i found is the area left not touched by explosion per bomb not the distance between said circles










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So my friend asked me this random maths question - heres the scenario - an alien fleet fires 6 billion bombs onto a perfectly sphircal flat planet that has a surface area 5 trillion. each bomb has a radius of 5. if all bombs fall the exact same distance apart what is the distance between each blast.



i worked it out by getting total are of explosion (6 X 78.5) = 471(X10^9)
5000 - 471 = 4529(X10^9)
4529(X10^9) / 6(X10^9) = 754.833M



now im 90% sure that im wrong because what i found is the area left not touched by explosion per bomb not the distance between said circles







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    I don't understand your workings. First of all, please use MathJax to typeset the equation correctly. Please don't use "X" for multiplication. For example, in the very beginning, what is this $78.5$ that you're multiplying with?
    – Matti P.
    Nov 23 at 12:26










  • And what is a "spherical flat planet"? Is it the same as just "spherical"?
    – Matti P.
    Nov 23 at 12:29










  • So I'm guessing you calculated that the area covered by one bomb is $$ pi r^2 = pi times 5^2 approx 78.53 $$ And then you multiplied this by six billion. That's the total area covered by the bombs. And then what?
    – Matti P.
    Nov 23 at 12:52












  • i deducted that from the total area of of the sphere which gave me the 4529, also sorry new to the forum dont know how to use MathJax
    – AbsurdHero
    Nov 23 at 13:52












  • 2r + X = Y where X is the distance between circles and Y is the distance between center points, the diagonal wont be the same as vertical or horizontal so i tried using pytagaros to figure it out but got no where cos i dont have actual points to plot them on a graph
    – AbsurdHero
    Nov 23 at 14:01
















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    I don't understand your workings. First of all, please use MathJax to typeset the equation correctly. Please don't use "X" for multiplication. For example, in the very beginning, what is this $78.5$ that you're multiplying with?
    – Matti P.
    Nov 23 at 12:26










  • And what is a "spherical flat planet"? Is it the same as just "spherical"?
    – Matti P.
    Nov 23 at 12:29










  • So I'm guessing you calculated that the area covered by one bomb is $$ pi r^2 = pi times 5^2 approx 78.53 $$ And then you multiplied this by six billion. That's the total area covered by the bombs. And then what?
    – Matti P.
    Nov 23 at 12:52












  • i deducted that from the total area of of the sphere which gave me the 4529, also sorry new to the forum dont know how to use MathJax
    – AbsurdHero
    Nov 23 at 13:52












  • 2r + X = Y where X is the distance between circles and Y is the distance between center points, the diagonal wont be the same as vertical or horizontal so i tried using pytagaros to figure it out but got no where cos i dont have actual points to plot them on a graph
    – AbsurdHero
    Nov 23 at 14:01










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I don't understand your workings. First of all, please use MathJax to typeset the equation correctly. Please don't use "X" for multiplication. For example, in the very beginning, what is this $78.5$ that you're multiplying with?
– Matti P.
Nov 23 at 12:26




I don't understand your workings. First of all, please use MathJax to typeset the equation correctly. Please don't use "X" for multiplication. For example, in the very beginning, what is this $78.5$ that you're multiplying with?
– Matti P.
Nov 23 at 12:26












And what is a "spherical flat planet"? Is it the same as just "spherical"?
– Matti P.
Nov 23 at 12:29




And what is a "spherical flat planet"? Is it the same as just "spherical"?
– Matti P.
Nov 23 at 12:29












So I'm guessing you calculated that the area covered by one bomb is $$ pi r^2 = pi times 5^2 approx 78.53 $$ And then you multiplied this by six billion. That's the total area covered by the bombs. And then what?
– Matti P.
Nov 23 at 12:52






So I'm guessing you calculated that the area covered by one bomb is $$ pi r^2 = pi times 5^2 approx 78.53 $$ And then you multiplied this by six billion. That's the total area covered by the bombs. And then what?
– Matti P.
Nov 23 at 12:52














i deducted that from the total area of of the sphere which gave me the 4529, also sorry new to the forum dont know how to use MathJax
– AbsurdHero
Nov 23 at 13:52






i deducted that from the total area of of the sphere which gave me the 4529, also sorry new to the forum dont know how to use MathJax
– AbsurdHero
Nov 23 at 13:52














2r + X = Y where X is the distance between circles and Y is the distance between center points, the diagonal wont be the same as vertical or horizontal so i tried using pytagaros to figure it out but got no where cos i dont have actual points to plot them on a graph
– AbsurdHero
Nov 23 at 14:01






2r + X = Y where X is the distance between circles and Y is the distance between center points, the diagonal wont be the same as vertical or horizontal so i tried using pytagaros to figure it out but got no where cos i dont have actual points to plot them on a graph
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Ah! Nothing suits a Black Friday better than contemplating destruction at the planetary level!



First, let's define coverage ratio $P$ as the fraction of the planetary surface area $A_s$ covered by the $N$ circular blasts of radius $r$, each having area $A_circ$:



$$bbox{A_circ = pi r^2} , quad bbox{P = frac{A_s}{N A_circ} = frac{A_s}{N pi r^2}}$$



In general, the best packing for spheres (or circular disks like here) is hexagonal close packing:
Hexagonal close packing illustration
If you look at the blue illustration on the right, you'll see that an equilateral triangle with edge length $a = r + d + r$ covers one half of a blast disk. The area of an equilateral triangle with edge length $a$ is
$$bbox{A_triangle = frac{sqrt{3}}{4} a^2 = frac{sqrt{3}}{4}left(2 r + dright)^2}$$
This triangle represents the hexagonal close packing pattern of the planetary bombardment, if their coverage ratios $P$ are the same:
$$bbox{frac{A_s}{N A_circ} = P = frac{A_triangle}{frac{1}{2} A_circ}}$$
i.e.
$$bbox{frac{A_s}{N pi r^2} = frac{ frac{sqrt{3}}{4}left(2 r + dright)^2 }{frac{1}{2} pi r^2 }}$$
If we solve this for $d$, we get
$$bbox{d = sqrt{frac{2 A_s}{sqrt{3} N}} - 2 r approx 1.07457 sqrt{frac{A_s}{N}} - 2 r}$$



In OP's particular case, $A_s = 5,000,000,000,000$ (assuming short trillion), $r = 5$, $N = 6,000,000,000$ (assuming short billion). Then,
$$bbox[#ffffef, 1em]{d approx 21}$$





In the illustration, the green middle figure is intended as a reminder that if complete coverage is required, $d$ must be negative. Because each angle in an equilateral triangle is $60text{°}$, for full coverage we need
$$bbox{2 r + d = 2 r cos(30text{°})}$$
i.e.
$$bbox{d = r left ( sqrt{3} - 2 right ) approx -0.267949 r}$$
This means that to get a full coverage, i.e. every point on the surface within at least one blast radius $r$, you need $N$ bombs:
$$bbox{N = frac{2}{3sqrt{3}}frac{A_s}{r^2} approx 0.3849 frac{A_s}{r^2}}$$
In OP's case, that is about 76,980,000,000 bombs, or under 77 billion bombs; less than 13 times the suggested number of bombs, to utterly cover the planetary surface with glorious, wondrous hellfire!



Apologies, but I must now cut my contemplations short: The nice men have come to take me back to my padded room.






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Ah! Nothing suits a Black Friday better than contemplating destruction at the planetary level!



First, let's define coverage ratio $P$ as the fraction of the planetary surface area $A_s$ covered by the $N$ circular blasts of radius $r$, each having area $A_circ$:



$$bbox{A_circ = pi r^2} , quad bbox{P = frac{A_s}{N A_circ} = frac{A_s}{N pi r^2}}$$



In general, the best packing for spheres (or circular disks like here) is hexagonal close packing:
Hexagonal close packing illustration
If you look at the blue illustration on the right, you'll see that an equilateral triangle with edge length $a = r + d + r$ covers one half of a blast disk. The area of an equilateral triangle with edge length $a$ is
$$bbox{A_triangle = frac{sqrt{3}}{4} a^2 = frac{sqrt{3}}{4}left(2 r + dright)^2}$$
This triangle represents the hexagonal close packing pattern of the planetary bombardment, if their coverage ratios $P$ are the same:
$$bbox{frac{A_s}{N A_circ} = P = frac{A_triangle}{frac{1}{2} A_circ}}$$
i.e.
$$bbox{frac{A_s}{N pi r^2} = frac{ frac{sqrt{3}}{4}left(2 r + dright)^2 }{frac{1}{2} pi r^2 }}$$
If we solve this for $d$, we get
$$bbox{d = sqrt{frac{2 A_s}{sqrt{3} N}} - 2 r approx 1.07457 sqrt{frac{A_s}{N}} - 2 r}$$



In OP's particular case, $A_s = 5,000,000,000,000$ (assuming short trillion), $r = 5$, $N = 6,000,000,000$ (assuming short billion). Then,
$$bbox[#ffffef, 1em]{d approx 21}$$





In the illustration, the green middle figure is intended as a reminder that if complete coverage is required, $d$ must be negative. Because each angle in an equilateral triangle is $60text{°}$, for full coverage we need
$$bbox{2 r + d = 2 r cos(30text{°})}$$
i.e.
$$bbox{d = r left ( sqrt{3} - 2 right ) approx -0.267949 r}$$
This means that to get a full coverage, i.e. every point on the surface within at least one blast radius $r$, you need $N$ bombs:
$$bbox{N = frac{2}{3sqrt{3}}frac{A_s}{r^2} approx 0.3849 frac{A_s}{r^2}}$$
In OP's case, that is about 76,980,000,000 bombs, or under 77 billion bombs; less than 13 times the suggested number of bombs, to utterly cover the planetary surface with glorious, wondrous hellfire!



Apologies, but I must now cut my contemplations short: The nice men have come to take me back to my padded room.






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Ah! Nothing suits a Black Friday better than contemplating destruction at the planetary level!



First, let's define coverage ratio $P$ as the fraction of the planetary surface area $A_s$ covered by the $N$ circular blasts of radius $r$, each having area $A_circ$:



$$bbox{A_circ = pi r^2} , quad bbox{P = frac{A_s}{N A_circ} = frac{A_s}{N pi r^2}}$$



In general, the best packing for spheres (or circular disks like here) is hexagonal close packing:
Hexagonal close packing illustration
If you look at the blue illustration on the right, you'll see that an equilateral triangle with edge length $a = r + d + r$ covers one half of a blast disk. The area of an equilateral triangle with edge length $a$ is
$$bbox{A_triangle = frac{sqrt{3}}{4} a^2 = frac{sqrt{3}}{4}left(2 r + dright)^2}$$
This triangle represents the hexagonal close packing pattern of the planetary bombardment, if their coverage ratios $P$ are the same:
$$bbox{frac{A_s}{N A_circ} = P = frac{A_triangle}{frac{1}{2} A_circ}}$$
i.e.
$$bbox{frac{A_s}{N pi r^2} = frac{ frac{sqrt{3}}{4}left(2 r + dright)^2 }{frac{1}{2} pi r^2 }}$$
If we solve this for $d$, we get
$$bbox{d = sqrt{frac{2 A_s}{sqrt{3} N}} - 2 r approx 1.07457 sqrt{frac{A_s}{N}} - 2 r}$$



In OP's particular case, $A_s = 5,000,000,000,000$ (assuming short trillion), $r = 5$, $N = 6,000,000,000$ (assuming short billion). Then,
$$bbox[#ffffef, 1em]{d approx 21}$$





In the illustration, the green middle figure is intended as a reminder that if complete coverage is required, $d$ must be negative. Because each angle in an equilateral triangle is $60text{°}$, for full coverage we need
$$bbox{2 r + d = 2 r cos(30text{°})}$$
i.e.
$$bbox{d = r left ( sqrt{3} - 2 right ) approx -0.267949 r}$$
This means that to get a full coverage, i.e. every point on the surface within at least one blast radius $r$, you need $N$ bombs:
$$bbox{N = frac{2}{3sqrt{3}}frac{A_s}{r^2} approx 0.3849 frac{A_s}{r^2}}$$
In OP's case, that is about 76,980,000,000 bombs, or under 77 billion bombs; less than 13 times the suggested number of bombs, to utterly cover the planetary surface with glorious, wondrous hellfire!



Apologies, but I must now cut my contemplations short: The nice men have come to take me back to my padded room.






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Ah! Nothing suits a Black Friday better than contemplating destruction at the planetary level!



First, let's define coverage ratio $P$ as the fraction of the planetary surface area $A_s$ covered by the $N$ circular blasts of radius $r$, each having area $A_circ$:



$$bbox{A_circ = pi r^2} , quad bbox{P = frac{A_s}{N A_circ} = frac{A_s}{N pi r^2}}$$



In general, the best packing for spheres (or circular disks like here) is hexagonal close packing:
Hexagonal close packing illustration
If you look at the blue illustration on the right, you'll see that an equilateral triangle with edge length $a = r + d + r$ covers one half of a blast disk. The area of an equilateral triangle with edge length $a$ is
$$bbox{A_triangle = frac{sqrt{3}}{4} a^2 = frac{sqrt{3}}{4}left(2 r + dright)^2}$$
This triangle represents the hexagonal close packing pattern of the planetary bombardment, if their coverage ratios $P$ are the same:
$$bbox{frac{A_s}{N A_circ} = P = frac{A_triangle}{frac{1}{2} A_circ}}$$
i.e.
$$bbox{frac{A_s}{N pi r^2} = frac{ frac{sqrt{3}}{4}left(2 r + dright)^2 }{frac{1}{2} pi r^2 }}$$
If we solve this for $d$, we get
$$bbox{d = sqrt{frac{2 A_s}{sqrt{3} N}} - 2 r approx 1.07457 sqrt{frac{A_s}{N}} - 2 r}$$



In OP's particular case, $A_s = 5,000,000,000,000$ (assuming short trillion), $r = 5$, $N = 6,000,000,000$ (assuming short billion). Then,
$$bbox[#ffffef, 1em]{d approx 21}$$





In the illustration, the green middle figure is intended as a reminder that if complete coverage is required, $d$ must be negative. Because each angle in an equilateral triangle is $60text{°}$, for full coverage we need
$$bbox{2 r + d = 2 r cos(30text{°})}$$
i.e.
$$bbox{d = r left ( sqrt{3} - 2 right ) approx -0.267949 r}$$
This means that to get a full coverage, i.e. every point on the surface within at least one blast radius $r$, you need $N$ bombs:
$$bbox{N = frac{2}{3sqrt{3}}frac{A_s}{r^2} approx 0.3849 frac{A_s}{r^2}}$$
In OP's case, that is about 76,980,000,000 bombs, or under 77 billion bombs; less than 13 times the suggested number of bombs, to utterly cover the planetary surface with glorious, wondrous hellfire!



Apologies, but I must now cut my contemplations short: The nice men have come to take me back to my padded room.






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Ah! Nothing suits a Black Friday better than contemplating destruction at the planetary level!



First, let's define coverage ratio $P$ as the fraction of the planetary surface area $A_s$ covered by the $N$ circular blasts of radius $r$, each having area $A_circ$:



$$bbox{A_circ = pi r^2} , quad bbox{P = frac{A_s}{N A_circ} = frac{A_s}{N pi r^2}}$$



In general, the best packing for spheres (or circular disks like here) is hexagonal close packing:
Hexagonal close packing illustration
If you look at the blue illustration on the right, you'll see that an equilateral triangle with edge length $a = r + d + r$ covers one half of a blast disk. The area of an equilateral triangle with edge length $a$ is
$$bbox{A_triangle = frac{sqrt{3}}{4} a^2 = frac{sqrt{3}}{4}left(2 r + dright)^2}$$
This triangle represents the hexagonal close packing pattern of the planetary bombardment, if their coverage ratios $P$ are the same:
$$bbox{frac{A_s}{N A_circ} = P = frac{A_triangle}{frac{1}{2} A_circ}}$$
i.e.
$$bbox{frac{A_s}{N pi r^2} = frac{ frac{sqrt{3}}{4}left(2 r + dright)^2 }{frac{1}{2} pi r^2 }}$$
If we solve this for $d$, we get
$$bbox{d = sqrt{frac{2 A_s}{sqrt{3} N}} - 2 r approx 1.07457 sqrt{frac{A_s}{N}} - 2 r}$$



In OP's particular case, $A_s = 5,000,000,000,000$ (assuming short trillion), $r = 5$, $N = 6,000,000,000$ (assuming short billion). Then,
$$bbox[#ffffef, 1em]{d approx 21}$$





In the illustration, the green middle figure is intended as a reminder that if complete coverage is required, $d$ must be negative. Because each angle in an equilateral triangle is $60text{°}$, for full coverage we need
$$bbox{2 r + d = 2 r cos(30text{°})}$$
i.e.
$$bbox{d = r left ( sqrt{3} - 2 right ) approx -0.267949 r}$$
This means that to get a full coverage, i.e. every point on the surface within at least one blast radius $r$, you need $N$ bombs:
$$bbox{N = frac{2}{3sqrt{3}}frac{A_s}{r^2} approx 0.3849 frac{A_s}{r^2}}$$
In OP's case, that is about 76,980,000,000 bombs, or under 77 billion bombs; less than 13 times the suggested number of bombs, to utterly cover the planetary surface with glorious, wondrous hellfire!



Apologies, but I must now cut my contemplations short: The nice men have come to take me back to my padded room.







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