Can polite and casual Japanese be combined?
What I mean is, is there any overlap? are you allowed to speak in a way that combines both forms of speech?
like are there words that, even if using formal speech, are typical to use casual speech for and vice versa?
I really struggle getting my head around it, like whether or not people are stuck with using one form or the other. (I know they can change depending on who they're speaking to, but I mean naturally within a conversation.
politeness keigo casual
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What I mean is, is there any overlap? are you allowed to speak in a way that combines both forms of speech?
like are there words that, even if using formal speech, are typical to use casual speech for and vice versa?
I really struggle getting my head around it, like whether or not people are stuck with using one form or the other. (I know they can change depending on who they're speaking to, but I mean naturally within a conversation.
politeness keigo casual
asked Dec 18 '18 at 23:29
Fuure
885
2
Related: How do Japanese speakers transition from polite to plain form amongst friends?
– naruto
Dec 19 '18 at 3:24
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What I mean is, is there any overlap? are you allowed to speak in a way that combines both forms of speech?
like are there words that, even if using formal speech, are typical to use casual speech for and vice versa?
I really struggle getting my head around it, like whether or not people are stuck with using one form or the other. (I know they can change depending on who they're speaking to, but I mean naturally within a conversation.
politeness keigo casual
asked Dec 18 '18 at 23:29
Fuure
885
What I mean is, is there any overlap? are you allowed to speak in a way that combines both forms of speech?
like are there words that, even if using formal speech, are typical to use casual speech for and vice versa?
I really struggle getting my head around it, like whether or not people are stuck with using one form or the other. (I know they can change depending on who they're speaking to, but I mean naturally within a conversation.
politeness keigo casual
politeness keigo casual
asked Dec 18 '18 at 23:29
Fuure
885
asked Dec 18 '18 at 23:29
Fuure
885
asked Dec 18 '18 at 23:29
Fuure
885
asked Dec 18 '18 at 23:29
Fuure
885
asked Dec 18 '18 at 23:29
Fuure
885
885
2
Related: How do Japanese speakers transition from polite to plain form amongst friends?
– naruto
Dec 19 '18 at 3:24
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Related: How do Japanese speakers transition from polite to plain form amongst friends?
– naruto
Dec 19 '18 at 3:24
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Related: How do Japanese speakers transition from polite to plain form amongst friends?
– naruto
Dec 19 '18 at 3:24
Related: How do Japanese speakers transition from polite to plain form amongst friends?
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Yes, absolutely. It's called "style shift." There's a whole book about it, and it's covered in brief in A Dictionary of Advanced Japanese Grammar, but in short:
The most common place to hear style shifts is when the background style is polite. In most conversations in です・ます style between native speakers you will hear shifts to plain form. Here are some reasons it happens:
- The speaker is expressing their feelings emphatically. (So, to go back to your question: -しい adjectives often appear in plain form even during a polite conversation. e.g., I'm eating lunch with a superior and take a bite of something delicious; I'm likely to say 「おいしい！」, not 「おいしいです」.)
- The topic has shifted from, say, business to "So, what are you doing this weekend?"
- The speaker is switching from an explanatory to conversational tone.
This is far from unique to Japanese; you hear it in English conversations as well; it's just that we don't tend to mark politeness level syntactically. (And yes, there are also shifts from plain to polite style.)
Shifting style in a natural way takes a long time to learn as a JSL speaker. You know how you get to the point where you don't have to think about は and が anymore, when you can just feel which one is right? Style shifting is like that but takes even longer. It's probably not even something you can study, per se; you just have to listen to and participate in lots and lots of conversations with native speakers.
Oh, one interesting thing: if you ask Japanese speakers about style shift, they will often deny that it happens and/or not notice that they're doing it.
(Hat tip to Prof. Amy Ohta at University of Washington, who has studied this topic at length and taught me most of what I know about it.)
answered Dec 19 '18 at 0:42
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This was pretty much exactly what I was asking about, so thank you for the very helpful answer <3
– Fuure
Dec 19 '18 at 1:15
5
Style shifts also often occur in English often for comedic effect. "Would you kindly extend to the Duke my most humble invitation to kiss my ass."
– Shufflepants
Dec 19 '18 at 16:07
1
True in Japanese also!
– mamster
Dec 19 '18 at 16:47
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Yes, absolutely. It's called "style shift." There's a whole book about it, and it's covered in brief in A Dictionary of Advanced Japanese Grammar, but in short:
The most common place to hear style shifts is when the background style is polite. In most conversations in です・ます style between native speakers you will hear shifts to plain form. Here are some reasons it happens:
- The speaker is expressing their feelings emphatically. (So, to go back to your question: -しい adjectives often appear in plain form even during a polite conversation. e.g., I'm eating lunch with a superior and take a bite of something delicious; I'm likely to say 「おいしい！」, not 「おいしいです」.)
- The topic has shifted from, say, business to "So, what are you doing this weekend?"
- The speaker is switching from an explanatory to conversational tone.
This is far from unique to Japanese; you hear it in English conversations as well; it's just that we don't tend to mark politeness level syntactically. (And yes, there are also shifts from plain to polite style.)
Shifting style in a natural way takes a long time to learn as a JSL speaker. You know how you get to the point where you don't have to think about は and が anymore, when you can just feel which one is right? Style shifting is like that but takes even longer. It's probably not even something you can study, per se; you just have to listen to and participate in lots and lots of conversations with native speakers.
Oh, one interesting thing: if you ask Japanese speakers about style shift, they will often deny that it happens and/or not notice that they're doing it.
(Hat tip to Prof. Amy Ohta at University of Washington, who has studied this topic at length and taught me most of what I know about it.)
answered Dec 19 '18 at 0:42
mamster
2,2631313
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This was pretty much exactly what I was asking about, so thank you for the very helpful answer <3
– Fuure
Dec 19 '18 at 1:15
5
Style shifts also often occur in English often for comedic effect. "Would you kindly extend to the Duke my most humble invitation to kiss my ass."
– Shufflepants
Dec 19 '18 at 16:07
1
True in Japanese also!
– mamster
Dec 19 '18 at 16:47
add a comment |
Yes, absolutely. It's called "style shift." There's a whole book about it, and it's covered in brief in A Dictionary of Advanced Japanese Grammar, but in short:
The most common place to hear style shifts is when the background style is polite. In most conversations in です・ます style between native speakers you will hear shifts to plain form. Here are some reasons it happens:
- The speaker is expressing their feelings emphatically. (So, to go back to your question: -しい adjectives often appear in plain form even during a polite conversation. e.g., I'm eating lunch with a superior and take a bite of something delicious; I'm likely to say 「おいしい！」, not 「おいしいです」.)
- The topic has shifted from, say, business to "So, what are you doing this weekend?"
- The speaker is switching from an explanatory to conversational tone.
This is far from unique to Japanese; you hear it in English conversations as well; it's just that we don't tend to mark politeness level syntactically. (And yes, there are also shifts from plain to polite style.)
Shifting style in a natural way takes a long time to learn as a JSL speaker. You know how you get to the point where you don't have to think about は and が anymore, when you can just feel which one is right? Style shifting is like that but takes even longer. It's probably not even something you can study, per se; you just have to listen to and participate in lots and lots of conversations with native speakers.
Oh, one interesting thing: if you ask Japanese speakers about style shift, they will often deny that it happens and/or not notice that they're doing it.
(Hat tip to Prof. Amy Ohta at University of Washington, who has studied this topic at length and taught me most of what I know about it.)
answered Dec 19 '18 at 0:42
mamster
2,2631313
4
This was pretty much exactly what I was asking about, so thank you for the very helpful answer <3
– Fuure
Dec 19 '18 at 1:15
5
Style shifts also often occur in English often for comedic effect. "Would you kindly extend to the Duke my most humble invitation to kiss my ass."
– Shufflepants
Dec 19 '18 at 16:07
1
True in Japanese also!
– mamster
Dec 19 '18 at 16:47
add a comment |
Yes, absolutely. It's called "style shift." There's a whole book about it, and it's covered in brief in A Dictionary of Advanced Japanese Grammar, but in short:
The most common place to hear style shifts is when the background style is polite. In most conversations in です・ます style between native speakers you will hear shifts to plain form. Here are some reasons it happens:
- The speaker is expressing their feelings emphatically. (So, to go back to your question: -しい adjectives often appear in plain form even during a polite conversation. e.g., I'm eating lunch with a superior and take a bite of something delicious; I'm likely to say 「おいしい！」, not 「おいしいです」.)
- The topic has shifted from, say, business to "So, what are you doing this weekend?"
- The speaker is switching from an explanatory to conversational tone.
This is far from unique to Japanese; you hear it in English conversations as well; it's just that we don't tend to mark politeness level syntactically. (And yes, there are also shifts from plain to polite style.)
Shifting style in a natural way takes a long time to learn as a JSL speaker. You know how you get to the point where you don't have to think about は and が anymore, when you can just feel which one is right? Style shifting is like that but takes even longer. It's probably not even something you can study, per se; you just have to listen to and participate in lots and lots of conversations with native speakers.
Oh, one interesting thing: if you ask Japanese speakers about style shift, they will often deny that it happens and/or not notice that they're doing it.
(Hat tip to Prof. Amy Ohta at University of Washington, who has studied this topic at length and taught me most of what I know about it.)
answered Dec 19 '18 at 0:42
mamster
2,2631313
Yes, absolutely. It's called "style shift." There's a whole book about it, and it's covered in brief in A Dictionary of Advanced Japanese Grammar, but in short:
The most common place to hear style shifts is when the background style is polite. In most conversations in です・ます style between native speakers you will hear shifts to plain form. Here are some reasons it happens:
- The speaker is expressing their feelings emphatically. (So, to go back to your question: -しい adjectives often appear in plain form even during a polite conversation. e.g., I'm eating lunch with a superior and take a bite of something delicious; I'm likely to say 「おいしい！」, not 「おいしいです」.)
- The topic has shifted from, say, business to "So, what are you doing this weekend?"
- The speaker is switching from an explanatory to conversational tone.
This is far from unique to Japanese; you hear it in English conversations as well; it's just that we don't tend to mark politeness level syntactically. (And yes, there are also shifts from plain to polite style.)
Shifting style in a natural way takes a long time to learn as a JSL speaker. You know how you get to the point where you don't have to think about は and が anymore, when you can just feel which one is right? Style shifting is like that but takes even longer. It's probably not even something you can study, per se; you just have to listen to and participate in lots and lots of conversations with native speakers.
Oh, one interesting thing: if you ask Japanese speakers about style shift, they will often deny that it happens and/or not notice that they're doing it.
(Hat tip to Prof. Amy Ohta at University of Washington, who has studied this topic at length and taught me most of what I know about it.)
answered Dec 19 '18 at 0:42
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This was pretty much exactly what I was asking about, so thank you for the very helpful answer <3
– Fuure
Dec 19 '18 at 1:15
5
Style shifts also often occur in English often for comedic effect. "Would you kindly extend to the Duke my most humble invitation to kiss my ass."
– Shufflepants
Dec 19 '18 at 16:07
1
True in Japanese also!
– mamster
Dec 19 '18 at 16:47
add a comment |
4
This was pretty much exactly what I was asking about, so thank you for the very helpful answer <3
– Fuure
Dec 19 '18 at 1:15
5
Style shifts also often occur in English often for comedic effect. "Would you kindly extend to the Duke my most humble invitation to kiss my ass."
– Shufflepants
Dec 19 '18 at 16:07
1
True in Japanese also!
– mamster
Dec 19 '18 at 16:47
4
4
This was pretty much exactly what I was asking about, so thank you for the very helpful answer <3
– Fuure
Dec 19 '18 at 1:15
This was pretty much exactly what I was asking about, so thank you for the very helpful answer <3
– Fuure
Dec 19 '18 at 1:15
5
5
Style shifts also often occur in English often for comedic effect. "Would you kindly extend to the Duke my most humble invitation to kiss my ass."
– Shufflepants
Dec 19 '18 at 16:07
Style shifts also often occur in English often for comedic effect. "Would you kindly extend to the Duke my most humble invitation to kiss my ass."
– Shufflepants
Dec 19 '18 at 16:07
1
1
True in Japanese also!
– mamster
Dec 19 '18 at 16:47
True in Japanese also!
– mamster
Dec 19 '18 at 16:47
add a comment |
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