How do I find the $y$ in $y^{sin x} = x^{sin y}$?












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I know how to derivate and I've found the implicit differentiation of $y^{sin x} = x^{sin y}$ which is $y' = frac{frac{sin x}{y} - cos x ln y}{frac{sin y}{x} - cos y ln x}$, but how do I obtain $y$ alone, is there a way?



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  • There is no way to explicitly isolate $y$ (or, for that matter, $x$) in this equation.
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I know how to derivate and I've found the implicit differentiation of $y^{sin x} = x^{sin y}$ which is $y' = frac{frac{sin x}{y} - cos x ln y}{frac{sin y}{x} - cos y ln x}$, but how do I obtain $y$ alone, is there a way?



PD: Thanks you all for helping me understand this problem :)










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  • There is no way to explicitly isolate $y$ (or, for that matter, $x$) in this equation.
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I know how to derivate and I've found the implicit differentiation of $y^{sin x} = x^{sin y}$ which is $y' = frac{frac{sin x}{y} - cos x ln y}{frac{sin y}{x} - cos y ln x}$, but how do I obtain $y$ alone, is there a way?



PD: Thanks you all for helping me understand this problem :)










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I know how to derivate and I've found the implicit differentiation of $y^{sin x} = x^{sin y}$ which is $y' = frac{frac{sin x}{y} - cos x ln y}{frac{sin y}{x} - cos y ln x}$, but how do I obtain $y$ alone, is there a way?



PD: Thanks you all for helping me understand this problem :)







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  • There is no way to explicitly isolate $y$ (or, for that matter, $x$) in this equation.
    – mweiss
    Nov 26 at 1:38


















  • There is no way to explicitly isolate $y$ (or, for that matter, $x$) in this equation.
    – mweiss
    Nov 26 at 1:38
















There is no way to explicitly isolate $y$ (or, for that matter, $x$) in this equation.
– mweiss
Nov 26 at 1:38




There is no way to explicitly isolate $y$ (or, for that matter, $x$) in this equation.
– mweiss
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Apparently $sin x=0$ or $sin y=0$ doesn't satisfy the equation.



And $x=y>0$ are solutions to the equation. We now only consider solutions in which $xne y$.



Assuming $x,y>0$, take logarithm on both side, we have



$sin x ln y = sin y ln x$



or



$cfrac {ln x}{sin x}=cfrac{ln y}{sin y}$



Define $f(x)=cfrac {ln x}{sin x}$



Plot the graph of f(x), test it with $y=c$ ($c in mathbb{R}$), provided the graph intersect $y=c$ for more than once, the corresponding $x$ values of the intersections form a set ${x_i}, ige 2$, $x=x_i , y=x_j, ine j$ is a solution to the original equation with $xne y$.



enter image description here



PS: for example, the line $y=10$ will intersect the graph of our $f(x)$ over many dozens of times, let's say it's $k$ times; name the x-coordinates of these intersection $x_1, x_2, cdots, x_k$. Apparently $f(x_1)=f(x_2)=cdots=f(x_k)$, which implies $cfrac{ln x_1}{sin x_1}=cfrac{ln x_2}{sin x_2}=cdots=cfrac{ln x_k}{sin x_k}$ which in turn means $x=x_1, y=x_2$, etc (Pick $2$ out of $k$ and assign them to $x,y$) are all solutions to the original equation. You will have to find the exact values numerically though.






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  • Why use $frac{ln y}{sin y}$ and not $frac{sin y}{ln y}$ which has less poles?
    – LutzL
    Nov 26 at 7:39










  • remind me why we know solutions are only in the first quadrant?
    – Chase Ryan Taylor
    Nov 26 at 19:41










  • @LutzL as the latter will approach the x-axis as $|sin y|ne 1$ and $ln y$ goes to $infty$. The other one is more visibly obvious for solutions identification purpose
    – Lance
    Nov 27 at 6:02












  • @ChaseRyanTaylor After a transformation, basically now I am looking at it in a different perspective. $f(x)$ is not $y$.
    – Lance
    Nov 27 at 6:04



















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If you plot the $(x,y)$ pairs for which this holds, you'll see that this won't only be problematic for $x=0$
Plot on <span class=$[0,8pi]$]">






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  • Thanks you for the plotting. What software did you use to do it?
    – Flavio López
    Nov 26 at 5:16










  • @FlavioLópez Desmos.com is great! I think that specific image is from Mathematica though
    – Chase Ryan Taylor
    Nov 26 at 19:38










  • Thanks you, I didn't knew Desmos.com
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    Nov 26 at 21:09



















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By symmetry, the equation $y^{sin x} = x^{sin y}$ is satisfied if
$$y=x.$$



EDIT:



There might be more solutions, for instance:



If $x=0$, the equation for $y$ is $y^0=1=0^{sin y}$ which holds for $sin y = 0$ and thus $y = pi n$ with $ninmathbb{Z}$.






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  • That’s a good point! You should note it’s definitely not the only solution though.
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It is the same as
$$x^{1/sin(x)}=y^{1/sin(y)}$$
You can plot $x^{1/sin x}$ on Wolfram Alpha.

That function seems to be increasing between $0$ and $pi$, so there are no solutions below $pi$, but there seem to be solutions between $0$ and $2pi$.






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    We'll only consider the equation when $x$ and $y$ are both positive. (The expression $x^{sin y}$ is, in general, not well defined when $x$ is negative, and likewise for $y^{sin x}$.)



    For $x,ygt0$, the equation is clearly satisfied if $sin x=sin y=0$, since both sides become equal to $1$. Thus the solution set includes the set ${(mpi,npi)mid m,ninmathbb{N}}$.



    If $sin xsin ynot=0$, then $x^{sin y}=y^{sin x}$ is equivalent to $x^{1/sin x}=y^{1/sin y}$. Setting aside the interval $(0,pi)$, it's easy to see that, on any interval of the form $(2mpi,(2m+1)pi)$, the function $f(x)=x^{1/sin x}$ varies continuously from $infty$ down to $(2m+1/2)pi$ and then back up to $infty$, while on intervals of the form $((2m-1)pi,2mpi)$, it varies continuously from $0$ up to $((2m-1/2)pi)^{-1}$ and then back down to $0$. (Note, the function doesn't actually take the values $infty$ or $0$; those are just the appropriate limits at the endpoints.) Consequently, almost every value in the range of $f$ is achieved multiple times (and the closer the value is to $infty$ or $0$, the more often it is achieved). This implies a continuum of solutions to $x^{sin y}=y^{sin x}$, in agreement with the graph in Ákos Somogyi's answer.






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      Apparently $sin x=0$ or $sin y=0$ doesn't satisfy the equation.



      And $x=y>0$ are solutions to the equation. We now only consider solutions in which $xne y$.



      Assuming $x,y>0$, take logarithm on both side, we have



      $sin x ln y = sin y ln x$



      or



      $cfrac {ln x}{sin x}=cfrac{ln y}{sin y}$



      Define $f(x)=cfrac {ln x}{sin x}$



      Plot the graph of f(x), test it with $y=c$ ($c in mathbb{R}$), provided the graph intersect $y=c$ for more than once, the corresponding $x$ values of the intersections form a set ${x_i}, ige 2$, $x=x_i , y=x_j, ine j$ is a solution to the original equation with $xne y$.



      enter image description here



      PS: for example, the line $y=10$ will intersect the graph of our $f(x)$ over many dozens of times, let's say it's $k$ times; name the x-coordinates of these intersection $x_1, x_2, cdots, x_k$. Apparently $f(x_1)=f(x_2)=cdots=f(x_k)$, which implies $cfrac{ln x_1}{sin x_1}=cfrac{ln x_2}{sin x_2}=cdots=cfrac{ln x_k}{sin x_k}$ which in turn means $x=x_1, y=x_2$, etc (Pick $2$ out of $k$ and assign them to $x,y$) are all solutions to the original equation. You will have to find the exact values numerically though.






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      • Why use $frac{ln y}{sin y}$ and not $frac{sin y}{ln y}$ which has less poles?
        – LutzL
        Nov 26 at 7:39










      • remind me why we know solutions are only in the first quadrant?
        – Chase Ryan Taylor
        Nov 26 at 19:41










      • @LutzL as the latter will approach the x-axis as $|sin y|ne 1$ and $ln y$ goes to $infty$. The other one is more visibly obvious for solutions identification purpose
        – Lance
        Nov 27 at 6:02












      • @ChaseRyanTaylor After a transformation, basically now I am looking at it in a different perspective. $f(x)$ is not $y$.
        – Lance
        Nov 27 at 6:04
















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      Apparently $sin x=0$ or $sin y=0$ doesn't satisfy the equation.



      And $x=y>0$ are solutions to the equation. We now only consider solutions in which $xne y$.



      Assuming $x,y>0$, take logarithm on both side, we have



      $sin x ln y = sin y ln x$



      or



      $cfrac {ln x}{sin x}=cfrac{ln y}{sin y}$



      Define $f(x)=cfrac {ln x}{sin x}$



      Plot the graph of f(x), test it with $y=c$ ($c in mathbb{R}$), provided the graph intersect $y=c$ for more than once, the corresponding $x$ values of the intersections form a set ${x_i}, ige 2$, $x=x_i , y=x_j, ine j$ is a solution to the original equation with $xne y$.



      enter image description here



      PS: for example, the line $y=10$ will intersect the graph of our $f(x)$ over many dozens of times, let's say it's $k$ times; name the x-coordinates of these intersection $x_1, x_2, cdots, x_k$. Apparently $f(x_1)=f(x_2)=cdots=f(x_k)$, which implies $cfrac{ln x_1}{sin x_1}=cfrac{ln x_2}{sin x_2}=cdots=cfrac{ln x_k}{sin x_k}$ which in turn means $x=x_1, y=x_2$, etc (Pick $2$ out of $k$ and assign them to $x,y$) are all solutions to the original equation. You will have to find the exact values numerically though.






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      • Why use $frac{ln y}{sin y}$ and not $frac{sin y}{ln y}$ which has less poles?
        – LutzL
        Nov 26 at 7:39










      • remind me why we know solutions are only in the first quadrant?
        – Chase Ryan Taylor
        Nov 26 at 19:41










      • @LutzL as the latter will approach the x-axis as $|sin y|ne 1$ and $ln y$ goes to $infty$. The other one is more visibly obvious for solutions identification purpose
        – Lance
        Nov 27 at 6:02












      • @ChaseRyanTaylor After a transformation, basically now I am looking at it in a different perspective. $f(x)$ is not $y$.
        – Lance
        Nov 27 at 6:04














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      Apparently $sin x=0$ or $sin y=0$ doesn't satisfy the equation.



      And $x=y>0$ are solutions to the equation. We now only consider solutions in which $xne y$.



      Assuming $x,y>0$, take logarithm on both side, we have



      $sin x ln y = sin y ln x$



      or



      $cfrac {ln x}{sin x}=cfrac{ln y}{sin y}$



      Define $f(x)=cfrac {ln x}{sin x}$



      Plot the graph of f(x), test it with $y=c$ ($c in mathbb{R}$), provided the graph intersect $y=c$ for more than once, the corresponding $x$ values of the intersections form a set ${x_i}, ige 2$, $x=x_i , y=x_j, ine j$ is a solution to the original equation with $xne y$.



      enter image description here



      PS: for example, the line $y=10$ will intersect the graph of our $f(x)$ over many dozens of times, let's say it's $k$ times; name the x-coordinates of these intersection $x_1, x_2, cdots, x_k$. Apparently $f(x_1)=f(x_2)=cdots=f(x_k)$, which implies $cfrac{ln x_1}{sin x_1}=cfrac{ln x_2}{sin x_2}=cdots=cfrac{ln x_k}{sin x_k}$ which in turn means $x=x_1, y=x_2$, etc (Pick $2$ out of $k$ and assign them to $x,y$) are all solutions to the original equation. You will have to find the exact values numerically though.






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      Apparently $sin x=0$ or $sin y=0$ doesn't satisfy the equation.



      And $x=y>0$ are solutions to the equation. We now only consider solutions in which $xne y$.



      Assuming $x,y>0$, take logarithm on both side, we have



      $sin x ln y = sin y ln x$



      or



      $cfrac {ln x}{sin x}=cfrac{ln y}{sin y}$



      Define $f(x)=cfrac {ln x}{sin x}$



      Plot the graph of f(x), test it with $y=c$ ($c in mathbb{R}$), provided the graph intersect $y=c$ for more than once, the corresponding $x$ values of the intersections form a set ${x_i}, ige 2$, $x=x_i , y=x_j, ine j$ is a solution to the original equation with $xne y$.



      enter image description here



      PS: for example, the line $y=10$ will intersect the graph of our $f(x)$ over many dozens of times, let's say it's $k$ times; name the x-coordinates of these intersection $x_1, x_2, cdots, x_k$. Apparently $f(x_1)=f(x_2)=cdots=f(x_k)$, which implies $cfrac{ln x_1}{sin x_1}=cfrac{ln x_2}{sin x_2}=cdots=cfrac{ln x_k}{sin x_k}$ which in turn means $x=x_1, y=x_2$, etc (Pick $2$ out of $k$ and assign them to $x,y$) are all solutions to the original equation. You will have to find the exact values numerically though.







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      • Why use $frac{ln y}{sin y}$ and not $frac{sin y}{ln y}$ which has less poles?
        – LutzL
        Nov 26 at 7:39










      • remind me why we know solutions are only in the first quadrant?
        – Chase Ryan Taylor
        Nov 26 at 19:41










      • @LutzL as the latter will approach the x-axis as $|sin y|ne 1$ and $ln y$ goes to $infty$. The other one is more visibly obvious for solutions identification purpose
        – Lance
        Nov 27 at 6:02












      • @ChaseRyanTaylor After a transformation, basically now I am looking at it in a different perspective. $f(x)$ is not $y$.
        – Lance
        Nov 27 at 6:04


















      • Why use $frac{ln y}{sin y}$ and not $frac{sin y}{ln y}$ which has less poles?
        – LutzL
        Nov 26 at 7:39










      • remind me why we know solutions are only in the first quadrant?
        – Chase Ryan Taylor
        Nov 26 at 19:41










      • @LutzL as the latter will approach the x-axis as $|sin y|ne 1$ and $ln y$ goes to $infty$. The other one is more visibly obvious for solutions identification purpose
        – Lance
        Nov 27 at 6:02












      • @ChaseRyanTaylor After a transformation, basically now I am looking at it in a different perspective. $f(x)$ is not $y$.
        – Lance
        Nov 27 at 6:04
















      Why use $frac{ln y}{sin y}$ and not $frac{sin y}{ln y}$ which has less poles?
      – LutzL
      Nov 26 at 7:39




      Why use $frac{ln y}{sin y}$ and not $frac{sin y}{ln y}$ which has less poles?
      – LutzL
      Nov 26 at 7:39












      remind me why we know solutions are only in the first quadrant?
      – Chase Ryan Taylor
      Nov 26 at 19:41




      remind me why we know solutions are only in the first quadrant?
      – Chase Ryan Taylor
      Nov 26 at 19:41












      @LutzL as the latter will approach the x-axis as $|sin y|ne 1$ and $ln y$ goes to $infty$. The other one is more visibly obvious for solutions identification purpose
      – Lance
      Nov 27 at 6:02






      @LutzL as the latter will approach the x-axis as $|sin y|ne 1$ and $ln y$ goes to $infty$. The other one is more visibly obvious for solutions identification purpose
      – Lance
      Nov 27 at 6:02














      @ChaseRyanTaylor After a transformation, basically now I am looking at it in a different perspective. $f(x)$ is not $y$.
      – Lance
      Nov 27 at 6:04




      @ChaseRyanTaylor After a transformation, basically now I am looking at it in a different perspective. $f(x)$ is not $y$.
      – Lance
      Nov 27 at 6:04











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      If you plot the $(x,y)$ pairs for which this holds, you'll see that this won't only be problematic for $x=0$
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      • Thanks you for the plotting. What software did you use to do it?
        – Flavio López
        Nov 26 at 5:16










      • @FlavioLópez Desmos.com is great! I think that specific image is from Mathematica though
        – Chase Ryan Taylor
        Nov 26 at 19:38










      • Thanks you, I didn't knew Desmos.com
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        Nov 26 at 21:09
















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      If you plot the $(x,y)$ pairs for which this holds, you'll see that this won't only be problematic for $x=0$
      Plot on <span class=$[0,8pi]$]">






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      • Thanks you for the plotting. What software did you use to do it?
        – Flavio López
        Nov 26 at 5:16










      • @FlavioLópez Desmos.com is great! I think that specific image is from Mathematica though
        – Chase Ryan Taylor
        Nov 26 at 19:38










      • Thanks you, I didn't knew Desmos.com
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        Nov 26 at 21:09














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      If you plot the $(x,y)$ pairs for which this holds, you'll see that this won't only be problematic for $x=0$
      Plot on <span class=$[0,8pi]$]">






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      If you plot the $(x,y)$ pairs for which this holds, you'll see that this won't only be problematic for $x=0$
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      answered Nov 26 at 2:34









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      • Thanks you for the plotting. What software did you use to do it?
        – Flavio López
        Nov 26 at 5:16










      • @FlavioLópez Desmos.com is great! I think that specific image is from Mathematica though
        – Chase Ryan Taylor
        Nov 26 at 19:38










      • Thanks you, I didn't knew Desmos.com
        – Flavio López
        Nov 26 at 21:09


















      • Thanks you for the plotting. What software did you use to do it?
        – Flavio López
        Nov 26 at 5:16










      • @FlavioLópez Desmos.com is great! I think that specific image is from Mathematica though
        – Chase Ryan Taylor
        Nov 26 at 19:38










      • Thanks you, I didn't knew Desmos.com
        – Flavio López
        Nov 26 at 21:09
















      Thanks you for the plotting. What software did you use to do it?
      – Flavio López
      Nov 26 at 5:16




      Thanks you for the plotting. What software did you use to do it?
      – Flavio López
      Nov 26 at 5:16












      @FlavioLópez Desmos.com is great! I think that specific image is from Mathematica though
      – Chase Ryan Taylor
      Nov 26 at 19:38




      @FlavioLópez Desmos.com is great! I think that specific image is from Mathematica though
      – Chase Ryan Taylor
      Nov 26 at 19:38












      Thanks you, I didn't knew Desmos.com
      – Flavio López
      Nov 26 at 21:09




      Thanks you, I didn't knew Desmos.com
      – Flavio López
      Nov 26 at 21:09











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      By symmetry, the equation $y^{sin x} = x^{sin y}$ is satisfied if
      $$y=x.$$



      EDIT:



      There might be more solutions, for instance:



      If $x=0$, the equation for $y$ is $y^0=1=0^{sin y}$ which holds for $sin y = 0$ and thus $y = pi n$ with $ninmathbb{Z}$.






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      • That’s a good point! You should note it’s definitely not the only solution though.
        – Chase Ryan Taylor
        Nov 26 at 1:51
















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      By symmetry, the equation $y^{sin x} = x^{sin y}$ is satisfied if
      $$y=x.$$



      EDIT:



      There might be more solutions, for instance:



      If $x=0$, the equation for $y$ is $y^0=1=0^{sin y}$ which holds for $sin y = 0$ and thus $y = pi n$ with $ninmathbb{Z}$.






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      • That’s a good point! You should note it’s definitely not the only solution though.
        – Chase Ryan Taylor
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      By symmetry, the equation $y^{sin x} = x^{sin y}$ is satisfied if
      $$y=x.$$



      EDIT:



      There might be more solutions, for instance:



      If $x=0$, the equation for $y$ is $y^0=1=0^{sin y}$ which holds for $sin y = 0$ and thus $y = pi n$ with $ninmathbb{Z}$.






      share|cite|improve this answer














      By symmetry, the equation $y^{sin x} = x^{sin y}$ is satisfied if
      $$y=x.$$



      EDIT:



      There might be more solutions, for instance:



      If $x=0$, the equation for $y$ is $y^0=1=0^{sin y}$ which holds for $sin y = 0$ and thus $y = pi n$ with $ninmathbb{Z}$.







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      • That’s a good point! You should note it’s definitely not the only solution though.
        – Chase Ryan Taylor
        Nov 26 at 1:51


















      • That’s a good point! You should note it’s definitely not the only solution though.
        – Chase Ryan Taylor
        Nov 26 at 1:51
















      That’s a good point! You should note it’s definitely not the only solution though.
      – Chase Ryan Taylor
      Nov 26 at 1:51




      That’s a good point! You should note it’s definitely not the only solution though.
      – Chase Ryan Taylor
      Nov 26 at 1:51











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      It is the same as
      $$x^{1/sin(x)}=y^{1/sin(y)}$$
      You can plot $x^{1/sin x}$ on Wolfram Alpha.

      That function seems to be increasing between $0$ and $pi$, so there are no solutions below $pi$, but there seem to be solutions between $0$ and $2pi$.






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        It is the same as
        $$x^{1/sin(x)}=y^{1/sin(y)}$$
        You can plot $x^{1/sin x}$ on Wolfram Alpha.

        That function seems to be increasing between $0$ and $pi$, so there are no solutions below $pi$, but there seem to be solutions between $0$ and $2pi$.






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          It is the same as
          $$x^{1/sin(x)}=y^{1/sin(y)}$$
          You can plot $x^{1/sin x}$ on Wolfram Alpha.

          That function seems to be increasing between $0$ and $pi$, so there are no solutions below $pi$, but there seem to be solutions between $0$ and $2pi$.






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          It is the same as
          $$x^{1/sin(x)}=y^{1/sin(y)}$$
          You can plot $x^{1/sin x}$ on Wolfram Alpha.

          That function seems to be increasing between $0$ and $pi$, so there are no solutions below $pi$, but there seem to be solutions between $0$ and $2pi$.







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              We'll only consider the equation when $x$ and $y$ are both positive. (The expression $x^{sin y}$ is, in general, not well defined when $x$ is negative, and likewise for $y^{sin x}$.)



              For $x,ygt0$, the equation is clearly satisfied if $sin x=sin y=0$, since both sides become equal to $1$. Thus the solution set includes the set ${(mpi,npi)mid m,ninmathbb{N}}$.



              If $sin xsin ynot=0$, then $x^{sin y}=y^{sin x}$ is equivalent to $x^{1/sin x}=y^{1/sin y}$. Setting aside the interval $(0,pi)$, it's easy to see that, on any interval of the form $(2mpi,(2m+1)pi)$, the function $f(x)=x^{1/sin x}$ varies continuously from $infty$ down to $(2m+1/2)pi$ and then back up to $infty$, while on intervals of the form $((2m-1)pi,2mpi)$, it varies continuously from $0$ up to $((2m-1/2)pi)^{-1}$ and then back down to $0$. (Note, the function doesn't actually take the values $infty$ or $0$; those are just the appropriate limits at the endpoints.) Consequently, almost every value in the range of $f$ is achieved multiple times (and the closer the value is to $infty$ or $0$, the more often it is achieved). This implies a continuum of solutions to $x^{sin y}=y^{sin x}$, in agreement with the graph in Ákos Somogyi's answer.






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                We'll only consider the equation when $x$ and $y$ are both positive. (The expression $x^{sin y}$ is, in general, not well defined when $x$ is negative, and likewise for $y^{sin x}$.)



                For $x,ygt0$, the equation is clearly satisfied if $sin x=sin y=0$, since both sides become equal to $1$. Thus the solution set includes the set ${(mpi,npi)mid m,ninmathbb{N}}$.



                If $sin xsin ynot=0$, then $x^{sin y}=y^{sin x}$ is equivalent to $x^{1/sin x}=y^{1/sin y}$. Setting aside the interval $(0,pi)$, it's easy to see that, on any interval of the form $(2mpi,(2m+1)pi)$, the function $f(x)=x^{1/sin x}$ varies continuously from $infty$ down to $(2m+1/2)pi$ and then back up to $infty$, while on intervals of the form $((2m-1)pi,2mpi)$, it varies continuously from $0$ up to $((2m-1/2)pi)^{-1}$ and then back down to $0$. (Note, the function doesn't actually take the values $infty$ or $0$; those are just the appropriate limits at the endpoints.) Consequently, almost every value in the range of $f$ is achieved multiple times (and the closer the value is to $infty$ or $0$, the more often it is achieved). This implies a continuum of solutions to $x^{sin y}=y^{sin x}$, in agreement with the graph in Ákos Somogyi's answer.






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                  We'll only consider the equation when $x$ and $y$ are both positive. (The expression $x^{sin y}$ is, in general, not well defined when $x$ is negative, and likewise for $y^{sin x}$.)



                  For $x,ygt0$, the equation is clearly satisfied if $sin x=sin y=0$, since both sides become equal to $1$. Thus the solution set includes the set ${(mpi,npi)mid m,ninmathbb{N}}$.



                  If $sin xsin ynot=0$, then $x^{sin y}=y^{sin x}$ is equivalent to $x^{1/sin x}=y^{1/sin y}$. Setting aside the interval $(0,pi)$, it's easy to see that, on any interval of the form $(2mpi,(2m+1)pi)$, the function $f(x)=x^{1/sin x}$ varies continuously from $infty$ down to $(2m+1/2)pi$ and then back up to $infty$, while on intervals of the form $((2m-1)pi,2mpi)$, it varies continuously from $0$ up to $((2m-1/2)pi)^{-1}$ and then back down to $0$. (Note, the function doesn't actually take the values $infty$ or $0$; those are just the appropriate limits at the endpoints.) Consequently, almost every value in the range of $f$ is achieved multiple times (and the closer the value is to $infty$ or $0$, the more often it is achieved). This implies a continuum of solutions to $x^{sin y}=y^{sin x}$, in agreement with the graph in Ákos Somogyi's answer.






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                  We'll only consider the equation when $x$ and $y$ are both positive. (The expression $x^{sin y}$ is, in general, not well defined when $x$ is negative, and likewise for $y^{sin x}$.)



                  For $x,ygt0$, the equation is clearly satisfied if $sin x=sin y=0$, since both sides become equal to $1$. Thus the solution set includes the set ${(mpi,npi)mid m,ninmathbb{N}}$.



                  If $sin xsin ynot=0$, then $x^{sin y}=y^{sin x}$ is equivalent to $x^{1/sin x}=y^{1/sin y}$. Setting aside the interval $(0,pi)$, it's easy to see that, on any interval of the form $(2mpi,(2m+1)pi)$, the function $f(x)=x^{1/sin x}$ varies continuously from $infty$ down to $(2m+1/2)pi$ and then back up to $infty$, while on intervals of the form $((2m-1)pi,2mpi)$, it varies continuously from $0$ up to $((2m-1/2)pi)^{-1}$ and then back down to $0$. (Note, the function doesn't actually take the values $infty$ or $0$; those are just the appropriate limits at the endpoints.) Consequently, almost every value in the range of $f$ is achieved multiple times (and the closer the value is to $infty$ or $0$, the more often it is achieved). This implies a continuum of solutions to $x^{sin y}=y^{sin x}$, in agreement with the graph in Ákos Somogyi's answer.







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