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A normal deck of 52 playing cards is well shuffled and then 4 cards are dealt to Ann and 4 cards ar dealt to Bob. Ann looks at her c that all 4 of them are from the same suit, that suit being hearts. She is interested in the probability that Bob also has 4 cards that belong to a single suit, allowing for her knowledge of the cards she holds.



Please correct my answer if it is incorrect:
$$text{Probability}=P(text{Bob has all hearts} |text{Ann has all hearts})+P(text{Bob has all clubs/spades/diamonds}|text{Ann has all hearts})$$



$$=frac{binom{9}{4}}{binom{48}{4}}+frac{binom{3}{1}timesbinom{13}{4}}{binom{48}{4}}$$



$$=frac{757}{64860}$$



I am aware that this is a conditional probability, but I was unsure how to apply Bayes' Theorem in this scenario.










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    A normal deck of 52 playing cards is well shuffled and then 4 cards are dealt to Ann and 4 cards ar dealt to Bob. Ann looks at her c that all 4 of them are from the same suit, that suit being hearts. She is interested in the probability that Bob also has 4 cards that belong to a single suit, allowing for her knowledge of the cards she holds.



    Please correct my answer if it is incorrect:
    $$text{Probability}=P(text{Bob has all hearts} |text{Ann has all hearts})+P(text{Bob has all clubs/spades/diamonds}|text{Ann has all hearts})$$



    $$=frac{binom{9}{4}}{binom{48}{4}}+frac{binom{3}{1}timesbinom{13}{4}}{binom{48}{4}}$$



    $$=frac{757}{64860}$$



    I am aware that this is a conditional probability, but I was unsure how to apply Bayes' Theorem in this scenario.










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      A normal deck of 52 playing cards is well shuffled and then 4 cards are dealt to Ann and 4 cards ar dealt to Bob. Ann looks at her c that all 4 of them are from the same suit, that suit being hearts. She is interested in the probability that Bob also has 4 cards that belong to a single suit, allowing for her knowledge of the cards she holds.



      Please correct my answer if it is incorrect:
      $$text{Probability}=P(text{Bob has all hearts} |text{Ann has all hearts})+P(text{Bob has all clubs/spades/diamonds}|text{Ann has all hearts})$$



      $$=frac{binom{9}{4}}{binom{48}{4}}+frac{binom{3}{1}timesbinom{13}{4}}{binom{48}{4}}$$



      $$=frac{757}{64860}$$



      I am aware that this is a conditional probability, but I was unsure how to apply Bayes' Theorem in this scenario.










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      A normal deck of 52 playing cards is well shuffled and then 4 cards are dealt to Ann and 4 cards ar dealt to Bob. Ann looks at her c that all 4 of them are from the same suit, that suit being hearts. She is interested in the probability that Bob also has 4 cards that belong to a single suit, allowing for her knowledge of the cards she holds.



      Please correct my answer if it is incorrect:
      $$text{Probability}=P(text{Bob has all hearts} |text{Ann has all hearts})+P(text{Bob has all clubs/spades/diamonds}|text{Ann has all hearts})$$



      $$=frac{binom{9}{4}}{binom{48}{4}}+frac{binom{3}{1}timesbinom{13}{4}}{binom{48}{4}}$$



      $$=frac{757}{64860}$$



      I am aware that this is a conditional probability, but I was unsure how to apply Bayes' Theorem in this scenario.







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          $P(A)$ = P(Anne has all hearts) =$$frac{ ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_4}$$
          $P(B)$ = P(Bod has same suite) =$$frac{^{13}C_4cdot ^3C_1+^9C_4}{^{52}C_4}$$




          Using:
          $$P(Bmid A)=frac{P( A ∩ B)}{P(A)}$$




          P(A ∩ B)=$$frac{(^{13}C_4 cdot 3+ ^{9}C_4)cdot ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_8}$$



          You get: $$P(Bmid A)=(frac {(^{13}C_4 cdot 3+ ^{9}C_4)cdot ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_8 })cdot(frac{^{52}C_4}{^{13}C_4})$$






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          • To obtain $P(B mid A)$, type $P(B mid A)$. Also, check your last line.
            – N. F. Taussig
            Nov 19 at 10:40










          • @N.F.Taussig thanks for that, but whats wrong in last line?
            – idea
            Nov 19 at 11:02










          • Your probability is greater than $1$.
            – N. F. Taussig
            Nov 19 at 11:04






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            @N.F.Taussig Yeah...$C(52,8)$. And i later added $C(4,1)$ to select a suite-heart; but we dont need to it seems...
            – idea
            Nov 19 at 12:20








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            @N.F.Taussig And Thanks, for taking me through this. Got to learn something new.
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          Letting $X$ be the event where Bob has $4$ cards of the same suit and letting $H$ be the event where Ann has four hearts.



          $$P(X|H)=frac{P(Xcap H)}{P(H)}$$



          where



          $$P(H)=frac{binom{13}{4}}{binom{52}{4}}$$



          and



          $$P(X cap H)=frac{binom{13}{4}times left(binom{3}{1}timesbinom{13}{4}+binom{9}{4} right)}{binom{52}{4}timesbinom{48}{4}}$$



          Substituing into the conditional probability gets the result that I originally posted in my solution.






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            $P(A)$ = P(Anne has all hearts) =$$frac{ ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_4}$$
            $P(B)$ = P(Bod has same suite) =$$frac{^{13}C_4cdot ^3C_1+^9C_4}{^{52}C_4}$$




            Using:
            $$P(Bmid A)=frac{P( A ∩ B)}{P(A)}$$




            P(A ∩ B)=$$frac{(^{13}C_4 cdot 3+ ^{9}C_4)cdot ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_8}$$



            You get: $$P(Bmid A)=(frac {(^{13}C_4 cdot 3+ ^{9}C_4)cdot ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_8 })cdot(frac{^{52}C_4}{^{13}C_4})$$






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            • To obtain $P(B mid A)$, type $P(B mid A)$. Also, check your last line.
              – N. F. Taussig
              Nov 19 at 10:40










            • @N.F.Taussig thanks for that, but whats wrong in last line?
              – idea
              Nov 19 at 11:02










            • Your probability is greater than $1$.
              – N. F. Taussig
              Nov 19 at 11:04






            • 1




              @N.F.Taussig Yeah...$C(52,8)$. And i later added $C(4,1)$ to select a suite-heart; but we dont need to it seems...
              – idea
              Nov 19 at 12:20








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              @N.F.Taussig And Thanks, for taking me through this. Got to learn something new.
              – idea
              Nov 19 at 12:41















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            $P(A)$ = P(Anne has all hearts) =$$frac{ ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_4}$$
            $P(B)$ = P(Bod has same suite) =$$frac{^{13}C_4cdot ^3C_1+^9C_4}{^{52}C_4}$$




            Using:
            $$P(Bmid A)=frac{P( A ∩ B)}{P(A)}$$




            P(A ∩ B)=$$frac{(^{13}C_4 cdot 3+ ^{9}C_4)cdot ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_8}$$



            You get: $$P(Bmid A)=(frac {(^{13}C_4 cdot 3+ ^{9}C_4)cdot ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_8 })cdot(frac{^{52}C_4}{^{13}C_4})$$






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            • To obtain $P(B mid A)$, type $P(B mid A)$. Also, check your last line.
              – N. F. Taussig
              Nov 19 at 10:40










            • @N.F.Taussig thanks for that, but whats wrong in last line?
              – idea
              Nov 19 at 11:02










            • Your probability is greater than $1$.
              – N. F. Taussig
              Nov 19 at 11:04






            • 1




              @N.F.Taussig Yeah...$C(52,8)$. And i later added $C(4,1)$ to select a suite-heart; but we dont need to it seems...
              – idea
              Nov 19 at 12:20








            • 1




              @N.F.Taussig And Thanks, for taking me through this. Got to learn something new.
              – idea
              Nov 19 at 12:41













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            $P(A)$ = P(Anne has all hearts) =$$frac{ ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_4}$$
            $P(B)$ = P(Bod has same suite) =$$frac{^{13}C_4cdot ^3C_1+^9C_4}{^{52}C_4}$$




            Using:
            $$P(Bmid A)=frac{P( A ∩ B)}{P(A)}$$




            P(A ∩ B)=$$frac{(^{13}C_4 cdot 3+ ^{9}C_4)cdot ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_8}$$



            You get: $$P(Bmid A)=(frac {(^{13}C_4 cdot 3+ ^{9}C_4)cdot ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_8 })cdot(frac{^{52}C_4}{^{13}C_4})$$






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            $P(A)$ = P(Anne has all hearts) =$$frac{ ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_4}$$
            $P(B)$ = P(Bod has same suite) =$$frac{^{13}C_4cdot ^3C_1+^9C_4}{^{52}C_4}$$




            Using:
            $$P(Bmid A)=frac{P( A ∩ B)}{P(A)}$$




            P(A ∩ B)=$$frac{(^{13}C_4 cdot 3+ ^{9}C_4)cdot ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_8}$$



            You get: $$P(Bmid A)=(frac {(^{13}C_4 cdot 3+ ^{9}C_4)cdot ^{13}C_4}{^{52}C_8 })cdot(frac{^{52}C_4}{^{13}C_4})$$







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            • To obtain $P(B mid A)$, type $P(B mid A)$. Also, check your last line.
              – N. F. Taussig
              Nov 19 at 10:40










            • @N.F.Taussig thanks for that, but whats wrong in last line?
              – idea
              Nov 19 at 11:02










            • Your probability is greater than $1$.
              – N. F. Taussig
              Nov 19 at 11:04






            • 1




              @N.F.Taussig Yeah...$C(52,8)$. And i later added $C(4,1)$ to select a suite-heart; but we dont need to it seems...
              – idea
              Nov 19 at 12:20








            • 1




              @N.F.Taussig And Thanks, for taking me through this. Got to learn something new.
              – idea
              Nov 19 at 12:41


















            • To obtain $P(B mid A)$, type $P(B mid A)$. Also, check your last line.
              – N. F. Taussig
              Nov 19 at 10:40










            • @N.F.Taussig thanks for that, but whats wrong in last line?
              – idea
              Nov 19 at 11:02










            • Your probability is greater than $1$.
              – N. F. Taussig
              Nov 19 at 11:04






            • 1




              @N.F.Taussig Yeah...$C(52,8)$. And i later added $C(4,1)$ to select a suite-heart; but we dont need to it seems...
              – idea
              Nov 19 at 12:20








            • 1




              @N.F.Taussig And Thanks, for taking me through this. Got to learn something new.
              – idea
              Nov 19 at 12:41
















            To obtain $P(B mid A)$, type $P(B mid A)$. Also, check your last line.
            – N. F. Taussig
            Nov 19 at 10:40




            To obtain $P(B mid A)$, type $P(B mid A)$. Also, check your last line.
            – N. F. Taussig
            Nov 19 at 10:40












            @N.F.Taussig thanks for that, but whats wrong in last line?
            – idea
            Nov 19 at 11:02




            @N.F.Taussig thanks for that, but whats wrong in last line?
            – idea
            Nov 19 at 11:02












            Your probability is greater than $1$.
            – N. F. Taussig
            Nov 19 at 11:04




            Your probability is greater than $1$.
            – N. F. Taussig
            Nov 19 at 11:04




            1




            1




            @N.F.Taussig Yeah...$C(52,8)$. And i later added $C(4,1)$ to select a suite-heart; but we dont need to it seems...
            – idea
            Nov 19 at 12:20






            @N.F.Taussig Yeah...$C(52,8)$. And i later added $C(4,1)$ to select a suite-heart; but we dont need to it seems...
            – idea
            Nov 19 at 12:20






            1




            1




            @N.F.Taussig And Thanks, for taking me through this. Got to learn something new.
            – idea
            Nov 19 at 12:41




            @N.F.Taussig And Thanks, for taking me through this. Got to learn something new.
            – idea
            Nov 19 at 12:41










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            Letting $X$ be the event where Bob has $4$ cards of the same suit and letting $H$ be the event where Ann has four hearts.



            $$P(X|H)=frac{P(Xcap H)}{P(H)}$$



            where



            $$P(H)=frac{binom{13}{4}}{binom{52}{4}}$$



            and



            $$P(X cap H)=frac{binom{13}{4}times left(binom{3}{1}timesbinom{13}{4}+binom{9}{4} right)}{binom{52}{4}timesbinom{48}{4}}$$



            Substituing into the conditional probability gets the result that I originally posted in my solution.






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              Letting $X$ be the event where Bob has $4$ cards of the same suit and letting $H$ be the event where Ann has four hearts.



              $$P(X|H)=frac{P(Xcap H)}{P(H)}$$



              where



              $$P(H)=frac{binom{13}{4}}{binom{52}{4}}$$



              and



              $$P(X cap H)=frac{binom{13}{4}times left(binom{3}{1}timesbinom{13}{4}+binom{9}{4} right)}{binom{52}{4}timesbinom{48}{4}}$$



              Substituing into the conditional probability gets the result that I originally posted in my solution.






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                Letting $X$ be the event where Bob has $4$ cards of the same suit and letting $H$ be the event where Ann has four hearts.



                $$P(X|H)=frac{P(Xcap H)}{P(H)}$$



                where



                $$P(H)=frac{binom{13}{4}}{binom{52}{4}}$$



                and



                $$P(X cap H)=frac{binom{13}{4}times left(binom{3}{1}timesbinom{13}{4}+binom{9}{4} right)}{binom{52}{4}timesbinom{48}{4}}$$



                Substituing into the conditional probability gets the result that I originally posted in my solution.






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                Letting $X$ be the event where Bob has $4$ cards of the same suit and letting $H$ be the event where Ann has four hearts.



                $$P(X|H)=frac{P(Xcap H)}{P(H)}$$



                where



                $$P(H)=frac{binom{13}{4}}{binom{52}{4}}$$



                and



                $$P(X cap H)=frac{binom{13}{4}times left(binom{3}{1}timesbinom{13}{4}+binom{9}{4} right)}{binom{52}{4}timesbinom{48}{4}}$$



                Substituing into the conditional probability gets the result that I originally posted in my solution.







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