SSD in external USB 3.0 closure not recognized as SSD
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I've brought an SSD and external closure that supports UASP and USB 3.0.
The drive is recognized and the speed is ok. But the drive is recognized as normal hard drive by Windows (8.1). I.e. when I try to optimize the SSD volume it begins to defragment it instead of issuing TRIM command.
My question is what characteristics should an external hdd closure have to have to allow Windows to recognize it as real SSD drive? Is it possible at all with USB 3.0 interface or I need an eSATA interface?
windows ssd external-hard-drive
asked Jan 26 '15 at 15:47
iPathiPath
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I've brought an SSD and external closure that supports UASP and USB 3.0.
The drive is recognized and the speed is ok. But the drive is recognized as normal hard drive by Windows (8.1). I.e. when I try to optimize the SSD volume it begins to defragment it instead of issuing TRIM command.
My question is what characteristics should an external hdd closure have to have to allow Windows to recognize it as real SSD drive? Is it possible at all with USB 3.0 interface or I need an eSATA interface?
windows ssd external-hard-drive
asked Jan 26 '15 at 15:47
iPathiPath
989
Which enclosure model?
– harrymc
Jan 29 '15 at 8:12
@harrymc S2510BPU337 is the PN.
– iPath
Jan 29 '15 at 9:50
@harrymc it is recognized by Windows 8.1 as "ASMT 2105 USB Device".
– iPath
Jan 29 '15 at 9:55
add a comment |
I've brought an SSD and external closure that supports UASP and USB 3.0.
The drive is recognized and the speed is ok. But the drive is recognized as normal hard drive by Windows (8.1). I.e. when I try to optimize the SSD volume it begins to defragment it instead of issuing TRIM command.
My question is what characteristics should an external hdd closure have to have to allow Windows to recognize it as real SSD drive? Is it possible at all with USB 3.0 interface or I need an eSATA interface?
windows ssd external-hard-drive
asked Jan 26 '15 at 15:47
iPathiPath
989
I've brought an SSD and external closure that supports UASP and USB 3.0.
The drive is recognized and the speed is ok. But the drive is recognized as normal hard drive by Windows (8.1). I.e. when I try to optimize the SSD volume it begins to defragment it instead of issuing TRIM command.
My question is what characteristics should an external hdd closure have to have to allow Windows to recognize it as real SSD drive? Is it possible at all with USB 3.0 interface or I need an eSATA interface?
windows ssd external-hard-drive
windows ssd external-hard-drive
asked Jan 26 '15 at 15:47
iPathiPath
989
asked Jan 26 '15 at 15:47
iPathiPath
989
edited Jan 26 '15 at 15:57
iPath
asked Jan 26 '15 at 15:47
iPathiPath
989
asked Jan 26 '15 at 15:47
iPathiPath
989
asked Jan 26 '15 at 15:47
iPathiPath
989
989
Which enclosure model?
– harrymc
Jan 29 '15 at 8:12
@harrymc S2510BPU337 is the PN.
– iPath
Jan 29 '15 at 9:50
@harrymc it is recognized by Windows 8.1 as "ASMT 2105 USB Device".
– iPath
Jan 29 '15 at 9:55
add a comment |
Which enclosure model?
– harrymc
Jan 29 '15 at 8:12
@harrymc S2510BPU337 is the PN.
– iPath
Jan 29 '15 at 9:50
@harrymc it is recognized by Windows 8.1 as "ASMT 2105 USB Device".
– iPath
Jan 29 '15 at 9:55
Which enclosure model?
– harrymc
Jan 29 '15 at 8:12
Which enclosure model?
– harrymc
Jan 29 '15 at 8:12
@harrymc S2510BPU337 is the PN.
– iPath
Jan 29 '15 at 9:50
@harrymc S2510BPU337 is the PN.
– iPath
Jan 29 '15 at 9:50
@harrymc it is recognized by Windows 8.1 as "ASMT 2105 USB Device".
– iPath
Jan 29 '15 at 9:55
@harrymc it is recognized by Windows 8.1 as "ASMT 2105 USB Device".
– iPath
Jan 29 '15 at 9:55
add a comment |
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This is what wikipedia says about the Trim command :
The TRIM command specification is being standardized as part of the AT
Attachment (ATA) interface standard, led by Technical Committee T13 of
the International Committee for Information Technology Standards
(INCITS). TRIM is implemented under the DATA SET MANAGEMENT command
(opcode 06h) the draft ACS-2 specification.
The ATA standard is supported by both parallel (IDE, PATA) and serial (SATA) ATA hardware.
Conclusion : TRIM is only for drives connected via IDE and SATA variants, so does not apply to USB.
answered Jan 30 '15 at 9:46
harrymcharrymc
265k14274583
See SAT for UNMAP to TRIM translation.
– Tom Yan
Jun 21 '16 at 10:43
@TomYan: ??????????
– harrymc
Jun 21 '16 at 11:39
add a comment |
USB Mass Storage Class in fact speaks SCSI commands, which then translated to ATA commands by the USB closure controller chip then speaks to the internal disk. The actual issue that prevent the TRIM ATA command to be used is that the USB closure controller doesn't support SCSI UNMAP to ATA TRIM command translation thus the operating system can't issue TRIM command to the internal disk.
Currently (as of 2016/6/21) most of the USB to SATA bridge solutions don't support this feature, but exists some exceptions like Jmicron 578 which, although claimed support of SCSI UNMAP command, seems to have certain flaw on its implementation.
Make sure to ask the manufacturer if the USB closure supports SCSI UNMAP to ATA TRIM translation before buying it next time!
Reference
USB外置存储Trim功能测试_技术论坛_PCEVA,PC绝对领域,传播真正的电脑知识
answered Jun 21 '16 at 9:58
VdragonVdragon
45145
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This is what wikipedia says about the Trim command :
The TRIM command specification is being standardized as part of the AT
Attachment (ATA) interface standard, led by Technical Committee T13 of
the International Committee for Information Technology Standards
(INCITS). TRIM is implemented under the DATA SET MANAGEMENT command
(opcode 06h) the draft ACS-2 specification.
The ATA standard is supported by both parallel (IDE, PATA) and serial (SATA) ATA hardware.
Conclusion : TRIM is only for drives connected via IDE and SATA variants, so does not apply to USB.
answered Jan 30 '15 at 9:46
harrymcharrymc
265k14274583
See SAT for UNMAP to TRIM translation.
– Tom Yan
Jun 21 '16 at 10:43
@TomYan: ??????????
– harrymc
Jun 21 '16 at 11:39
add a comment |
This is what wikipedia says about the Trim command :
The TRIM command specification is being standardized as part of the AT
Attachment (ATA) interface standard, led by Technical Committee T13 of
the International Committee for Information Technology Standards
(INCITS). TRIM is implemented under the DATA SET MANAGEMENT command
(opcode 06h) the draft ACS-2 specification.
The ATA standard is supported by both parallel (IDE, PATA) and serial (SATA) ATA hardware.
Conclusion : TRIM is only for drives connected via IDE and SATA variants, so does not apply to USB.
answered Jan 30 '15 at 9:46
harrymcharrymc
265k14274583
See SAT for UNMAP to TRIM translation.
– Tom Yan
Jun 21 '16 at 10:43
@TomYan: ??????????
– harrymc
Jun 21 '16 at 11:39
add a comment |
This is what wikipedia says about the Trim command :
The TRIM command specification is being standardized as part of the AT
Attachment (ATA) interface standard, led by Technical Committee T13 of
the International Committee for Information Technology Standards
(INCITS). TRIM is implemented under the DATA SET MANAGEMENT command
(opcode 06h) the draft ACS-2 specification.
The ATA standard is supported by both parallel (IDE, PATA) and serial (SATA) ATA hardware.
Conclusion : TRIM is only for drives connected via IDE and SATA variants, so does not apply to USB.
answered Jan 30 '15 at 9:46
harrymcharrymc
265k14274583
This is what wikipedia says about the Trim command :
The TRIM command specification is being standardized as part of the AT
Attachment (ATA) interface standard, led by Technical Committee T13 of
the International Committee for Information Technology Standards
(INCITS). TRIM is implemented under the DATA SET MANAGEMENT command
(opcode 06h) the draft ACS-2 specification.
The ATA standard is supported by both parallel (IDE, PATA) and serial (SATA) ATA hardware.
Conclusion : TRIM is only for drives connected via IDE and SATA variants, so does not apply to USB.
answered Jan 30 '15 at 9:46
harrymcharrymc
265k14274583
answered Jan 30 '15 at 9:46
harrymcharrymc
265k14274583
answered Jan 30 '15 at 9:46
harrymcharrymc
265k14274583
answered Jan 30 '15 at 9:46
harrymcharrymc
265k14274583
265k14274583
See SAT for UNMAP to TRIM translation.
– Tom Yan
Jun 21 '16 at 10:43
@TomYan: ??????????
– harrymc
Jun 21 '16 at 11:39
add a comment |
See SAT for UNMAP to TRIM translation.
– Tom Yan
Jun 21 '16 at 10:43
@TomYan: ??????????
– harrymc
Jun 21 '16 at 11:39
See SAT for UNMAP to TRIM translation.
– Tom Yan
Jun 21 '16 at 10:43
See SAT for UNMAP to TRIM translation.
– Tom Yan
Jun 21 '16 at 10:43
@TomYan: ??????????
– harrymc
Jun 21 '16 at 11:39
@TomYan: ??????????
– harrymc
Jun 21 '16 at 11:39
add a comment |
USB Mass Storage Class in fact speaks SCSI commands, which then translated to ATA commands by the USB closure controller chip then speaks to the internal disk. The actual issue that prevent the TRIM ATA command to be used is that the USB closure controller doesn't support SCSI UNMAP to ATA TRIM command translation thus the operating system can't issue TRIM command to the internal disk.
Currently (as of 2016/6/21) most of the USB to SATA bridge solutions don't support this feature, but exists some exceptions like Jmicron 578 which, although claimed support of SCSI UNMAP command, seems to have certain flaw on its implementation.
Make sure to ask the manufacturer if the USB closure supports SCSI UNMAP to ATA TRIM translation before buying it next time!
Reference
USB外置存储Trim功能测试_技术论坛_PCEVA,PC绝对领域,传播真正的电脑知识
answered Jun 21 '16 at 9:58
VdragonVdragon
45145
add a comment |
USB Mass Storage Class in fact speaks SCSI commands, which then translated to ATA commands by the USB closure controller chip then speaks to the internal disk. The actual issue that prevent the TRIM ATA command to be used is that the USB closure controller doesn't support SCSI UNMAP to ATA TRIM command translation thus the operating system can't issue TRIM command to the internal disk.
Currently (as of 2016/6/21) most of the USB to SATA bridge solutions don't support this feature, but exists some exceptions like Jmicron 578 which, although claimed support of SCSI UNMAP command, seems to have certain flaw on its implementation.
Make sure to ask the manufacturer if the USB closure supports SCSI UNMAP to ATA TRIM translation before buying it next time!
Reference
USB外置存储Trim功能测试_技术论坛_PCEVA,PC绝对领域,传播真正的电脑知识
answered Jun 21 '16 at 9:58
VdragonVdragon
45145
add a comment |
USB Mass Storage Class in fact speaks SCSI commands, which then translated to ATA commands by the USB closure controller chip then speaks to the internal disk. The actual issue that prevent the TRIM ATA command to be used is that the USB closure controller doesn't support SCSI UNMAP to ATA TRIM command translation thus the operating system can't issue TRIM command to the internal disk.
Currently (as of 2016/6/21) most of the USB to SATA bridge solutions don't support this feature, but exists some exceptions like Jmicron 578 which, although claimed support of SCSI UNMAP command, seems to have certain flaw on its implementation.
Make sure to ask the manufacturer if the USB closure supports SCSI UNMAP to ATA TRIM translation before buying it next time!
Reference
USB外置存储Trim功能测试_技术论坛_PCEVA,PC绝对领域,传播真正的电脑知识
answered Jun 21 '16 at 9:58
VdragonVdragon
45145
USB Mass Storage Class in fact speaks SCSI commands, which then translated to ATA commands by the USB closure controller chip then speaks to the internal disk. The actual issue that prevent the TRIM ATA command to be used is that the USB closure controller doesn't support SCSI UNMAP to ATA TRIM command translation thus the operating system can't issue TRIM command to the internal disk.
Currently (as of 2016/6/21) most of the USB to SATA bridge solutions don't support this feature, but exists some exceptions like Jmicron 578 which, although claimed support of SCSI UNMAP command, seems to have certain flaw on its implementation.
Make sure to ask the manufacturer if the USB closure supports SCSI UNMAP to ATA TRIM translation before buying it next time!
Reference
USB外置存储Trim功能测试_技术论坛_PCEVA,PC绝对领域,传播真正的电脑知识
answered Jun 21 '16 at 9:58
VdragonVdragon
45145
answered Jun 21 '16 at 9:58
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answered Jun 21 '16 at 9:58
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Which enclosure model?
– harrymc
Jan 29 '15 at 8:12
@harrymc S2510BPU337 is the PN.
– iPath
Jan 29 '15 at 9:50
@harrymc it is recognized by Windows 8.1 as "ASMT 2105 USB Device".
– iPath
Jan 29 '15 at 9:55