Proving a second order special limit without derivatives












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The special limit
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can be proved by Taylor expansion or with L'Hôpital's rule. Is it possoble to prove it without using derivatives?






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    If we define $e^x$ as $sum_{ngeq 0}frac{x^n}{n!}$ that is trivial.
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The special limit
$$
lim_{x to 0} frac{e^x-x-1}{x^2}=frac 1 2
$$
can be proved by Taylor expansion or with L'Hôpital's rule. Is it possoble to prove it without using derivatives?






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    Is there a reason that neither of these methods can be used?
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    – Henry Lee
    Dec 2 '18 at 18:54






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    If we define $e^x$ as $sum_{ngeq 0}frac{x^n}{n!}$ that is trivial.
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    – Jack D'Aurizio
    Dec 2 '18 at 19:07










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The special limit
$$
lim_{x to 0} frac{e^x-x-1}{x^2}=frac 1 2
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can be proved by Taylor expansion or with L'Hôpital's rule. Is it possoble to prove it without using derivatives?






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The special limit
$$
lim_{x to 0} frac{e^x-x-1}{x^2}=frac 1 2
$$
can be proved by Taylor expansion or with L'Hôpital's rule. Is it possoble to prove it without using derivatives?






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    Is there a reason that neither of these methods can be used?
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    – Henry Lee
    Dec 2 '18 at 18:54






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    If we define $e^x$ as $sum_{ngeq 0}frac{x^n}{n!}$ that is trivial.
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    – Jack D'Aurizio
    Dec 2 '18 at 19:07










  • $begingroup$
    See math.stackexchange.com/questions/387333/…
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    – lab bhattacharjee
    Dec 5 '18 at 8:45














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    $begingroup$
    Is there a reason that neither of these methods can be used?
    $endgroup$
    – Henry Lee
    Dec 2 '18 at 18:54






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    If we define $e^x$ as $sum_{ngeq 0}frac{x^n}{n!}$ that is trivial.
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    – Jack D'Aurizio
    Dec 2 '18 at 19:07










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    See math.stackexchange.com/questions/387333/…
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    – lab bhattacharjee
    Dec 5 '18 at 8:45








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Is there a reason that neither of these methods can be used?
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– Henry Lee
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– Henry Lee
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If we define $e^x$ as $sum_{ngeq 0}frac{x^n}{n!}$ that is trivial.
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If we define $e^x$ as $sum_{ngeq 0}frac{x^n}{n!}$ that is trivial.
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– Jack D'Aurizio
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See math.stackexchange.com/questions/387333/…
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– lab bhattacharjee
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$$frac{e^x-1-x}{x^2}=int_{0}^{1}(1-y)e^{xy},dy $$
hence by the dominated convergence theorem
$$ lim_{xto 0}frac{e^x-1-x}{x^2}=int_{0}^{1}(1-y),dy = frac{1}{2}.$$






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    We have by $x=2y$



    $$frac{e^x-x-1}{x^2}=frac{e^{2y}-2y-1}{4y^2}=frac{(e^y-1)^2+2e^y-2y-2}{4y^2}=frac14left(frac{e^y-1}{y}right)^2+frac12frac{e^y-y-1}{y^2}$$



    therefore assuming that the limit exists we have



    $$L=frac14+frac12L implies L=frac12$$



    Refer also to




    • Are all limits solvable without L'Hôpital Rule or Series Expansion






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      Since L'Hôpital and Taylor expansion are explicitly ruled out, you might want to mention how $(e^y-1)/y to 1$ is obtained.
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      @MartinR My interpretation is that we can't use l'Hopital and Taylor to solve the limit but I think we can use the well known standard limit which, as you can know I suppose, can be derived without Hopital and Taylor. I'll add a reference to that anyway. Thanks
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    Let $$f(x)=e^{sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x}$$



    Then your limit is



    $$lim_{Xto0^+}frac{f(X)-f(0)}{X-0}$$






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      In the limit expression, you mean $f(x^2)$.
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    $$frac{e^x-1-x}{x^2}=int_{0}^{1}(1-y)e^{xy},dy $$
    hence by the dominated convergence theorem
    $$ lim_{xto 0}frac{e^x-1-x}{x^2}=int_{0}^{1}(1-y),dy = frac{1}{2}.$$






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      $$frac{e^x-1-x}{x^2}=int_{0}^{1}(1-y)e^{xy},dy $$
      hence by the dominated convergence theorem
      $$ lim_{xto 0}frac{e^x-1-x}{x^2}=int_{0}^{1}(1-y),dy = frac{1}{2}.$$






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        $$frac{e^x-1-x}{x^2}=int_{0}^{1}(1-y)e^{xy},dy $$
        hence by the dominated convergence theorem
        $$ lim_{xto 0}frac{e^x-1-x}{x^2}=int_{0}^{1}(1-y),dy = frac{1}{2}.$$






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        $$frac{e^x-1-x}{x^2}=int_{0}^{1}(1-y)e^{xy},dy $$
        hence by the dominated convergence theorem
        $$ lim_{xto 0}frac{e^x-1-x}{x^2}=int_{0}^{1}(1-y),dy = frac{1}{2}.$$







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            We have by $x=2y$



            $$frac{e^x-x-1}{x^2}=frac{e^{2y}-2y-1}{4y^2}=frac{(e^y-1)^2+2e^y-2y-2}{4y^2}=frac14left(frac{e^y-1}{y}right)^2+frac12frac{e^y-y-1}{y^2}$$



            therefore assuming that the limit exists we have



            $$L=frac14+frac12L implies L=frac12$$



            Refer also to




            • Are all limits solvable without L'Hôpital Rule or Series Expansion






            share|cite|improve this answer









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            • $begingroup$
              Since L'Hôpital and Taylor expansion are explicitly ruled out, you might want to mention how $(e^y-1)/y to 1$ is obtained.
              $endgroup$
              – Martin R
              Dec 2 '18 at 21:25












            • $begingroup$
              @MartinR My interpretation is that we can't use l'Hopital and Taylor to solve the limit but I think we can use the well known standard limit which, as you can know I suppose, can be derived without Hopital and Taylor. I'll add a reference to that anyway. Thanks
              $endgroup$
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              Dec 2 '18 at 21:38
















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            $begingroup$

            We have by $x=2y$



            $$frac{e^x-x-1}{x^2}=frac{e^{2y}-2y-1}{4y^2}=frac{(e^y-1)^2+2e^y-2y-2}{4y^2}=frac14left(frac{e^y-1}{y}right)^2+frac12frac{e^y-y-1}{y^2}$$



            therefore assuming that the limit exists we have



            $$L=frac14+frac12L implies L=frac12$$



            Refer also to




            • Are all limits solvable without L'Hôpital Rule or Series Expansion






            share|cite|improve this answer









            $endgroup$













            • $begingroup$
              Since L'Hôpital and Taylor expansion are explicitly ruled out, you might want to mention how $(e^y-1)/y to 1$ is obtained.
              $endgroup$
              – Martin R
              Dec 2 '18 at 21:25












            • $begingroup$
              @MartinR My interpretation is that we can't use l'Hopital and Taylor to solve the limit but I think we can use the well known standard limit which, as you can know I suppose, can be derived without Hopital and Taylor. I'll add a reference to that anyway. Thanks
              $endgroup$
              – gimusi
              Dec 2 '18 at 21:38














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            $begingroup$

            We have by $x=2y$



            $$frac{e^x-x-1}{x^2}=frac{e^{2y}-2y-1}{4y^2}=frac{(e^y-1)^2+2e^y-2y-2}{4y^2}=frac14left(frac{e^y-1}{y}right)^2+frac12frac{e^y-y-1}{y^2}$$



            therefore assuming that the limit exists we have



            $$L=frac14+frac12L implies L=frac12$$



            Refer also to




            • Are all limits solvable without L'Hôpital Rule or Series Expansion






            share|cite|improve this answer









            $endgroup$



            We have by $x=2y$



            $$frac{e^x-x-1}{x^2}=frac{e^{2y}-2y-1}{4y^2}=frac{(e^y-1)^2+2e^y-2y-2}{4y^2}=frac14left(frac{e^y-1}{y}right)^2+frac12frac{e^y-y-1}{y^2}$$



            therefore assuming that the limit exists we have



            $$L=frac14+frac12L implies L=frac12$$



            Refer also to




            • Are all limits solvable without L'Hôpital Rule or Series Expansion







            share|cite|improve this answer












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            answered Dec 2 '18 at 19:11









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            • $begingroup$
              Since L'Hôpital and Taylor expansion are explicitly ruled out, you might want to mention how $(e^y-1)/y to 1$ is obtained.
              $endgroup$
              – Martin R
              Dec 2 '18 at 21:25












            • $begingroup$
              @MartinR My interpretation is that we can't use l'Hopital and Taylor to solve the limit but I think we can use the well known standard limit which, as you can know I suppose, can be derived without Hopital and Taylor. I'll add a reference to that anyway. Thanks
              $endgroup$
              – gimusi
              Dec 2 '18 at 21:38


















            • $begingroup$
              Since L'Hôpital and Taylor expansion are explicitly ruled out, you might want to mention how $(e^y-1)/y to 1$ is obtained.
              $endgroup$
              – Martin R
              Dec 2 '18 at 21:25












            • $begingroup$
              @MartinR My interpretation is that we can't use l'Hopital and Taylor to solve the limit but I think we can use the well known standard limit which, as you can know I suppose, can be derived without Hopital and Taylor. I'll add a reference to that anyway. Thanks
              $endgroup$
              – gimusi
              Dec 2 '18 at 21:38
















            $begingroup$
            Since L'Hôpital and Taylor expansion are explicitly ruled out, you might want to mention how $(e^y-1)/y to 1$ is obtained.
            $endgroup$
            – Martin R
            Dec 2 '18 at 21:25






            $begingroup$
            Since L'Hôpital and Taylor expansion are explicitly ruled out, you might want to mention how $(e^y-1)/y to 1$ is obtained.
            $endgroup$
            – Martin R
            Dec 2 '18 at 21:25














            $begingroup$
            @MartinR My interpretation is that we can't use l'Hopital and Taylor to solve the limit but I think we can use the well known standard limit which, as you can know I suppose, can be derived without Hopital and Taylor. I'll add a reference to that anyway. Thanks
            $endgroup$
            – gimusi
            Dec 2 '18 at 21:38




            $begingroup$
            @MartinR My interpretation is that we can't use l'Hopital and Taylor to solve the limit but I think we can use the well known standard limit which, as you can know I suppose, can be derived without Hopital and Taylor. I'll add a reference to that anyway. Thanks
            $endgroup$
            – gimusi
            Dec 2 '18 at 21:38











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            Let $$f(x)=e^{sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x}$$



            Then your limit is



            $$lim_{Xto0^+}frac{f(X)-f(0)}{X-0}$$






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              In the limit expression, you mean $f(x^2)$.
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              – Anurag A
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              @AnuragA No. {}{}{}{}{}{}.
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              is that by derivative?
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            Let $$f(x)=e^{sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x}$$



            Then your limit is



            $$lim_{Xto0^+}frac{f(X)-f(0)}{X-0}$$






            share|cite|improve this answer









            $endgroup$













            • $begingroup$
              In the limit expression, you mean $f(x^2)$.
              $endgroup$
              – Anurag A
              Dec 2 '18 at 19:01












            • $begingroup$
              @AnuragA No. {}{}{}{}{}{}.
              $endgroup$
              – hamam_Abdallah
              Dec 2 '18 at 19:01










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              is that by derivative?
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              – gimusi
              Dec 2 '18 at 20:06














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            $begingroup$

            Let $$f(x)=e^{sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x}$$



            Then your limit is



            $$lim_{Xto0^+}frac{f(X)-f(0)}{X-0}$$






            share|cite|improve this answer









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            Let $$f(x)=e^{sqrt{x}}-sqrt{x}$$



            Then your limit is



            $$lim_{Xto0^+}frac{f(X)-f(0)}{X-0}$$







            share|cite|improve this answer












            share|cite|improve this answer



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              In the limit expression, you mean $f(x^2)$.
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              – Anurag A
              Dec 2 '18 at 19:01












            • $begingroup$
              @AnuragA No. {}{}{}{}{}{}.
              $endgroup$
              – hamam_Abdallah
              Dec 2 '18 at 19:01










            • $begingroup$
              is that by derivative?
              $endgroup$
              – gimusi
              Dec 2 '18 at 20:06


















            • $begingroup$
              In the limit expression, you mean $f(x^2)$.
              $endgroup$
              – Anurag A
              Dec 2 '18 at 19:01












            • $begingroup$
              @AnuragA No. {}{}{}{}{}{}.
              $endgroup$
              – hamam_Abdallah
              Dec 2 '18 at 19:01










            • $begingroup$
              is that by derivative?
              $endgroup$
              – gimusi
              Dec 2 '18 at 20:06
















            $begingroup$
            In the limit expression, you mean $f(x^2)$.
            $endgroup$
            – Anurag A
            Dec 2 '18 at 19:01






            $begingroup$
            In the limit expression, you mean $f(x^2)$.
            $endgroup$
            – Anurag A
            Dec 2 '18 at 19:01














            $begingroup$
            @AnuragA No. {}{}{}{}{}{}.
            $endgroup$
            – hamam_Abdallah
            Dec 2 '18 at 19:01




            $begingroup$
            @AnuragA No. {}{}{}{}{}{}.
            $endgroup$
            – hamam_Abdallah
            Dec 2 '18 at 19:01












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            is that by derivative?
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            is that by derivative?
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